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BREAKING: Fetterman Has Had Enough

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BREAKING: Fetterman Has Had Enough

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July 7, 2026 3:38 pm

A discussion on the Democratic Party's shift towards communism and socialism, with John Fetterman calling out the party's radicalization. The conversation also touches on the controversy surrounding Graham Plattner's Nazi tattoo and the pushback from Democrats. Additionally, the hosts discuss the importance of supporting the ACLJ's work in defending individual rights and freedoms.

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On today's show, John Fetterman says he's had enough. of the communist infiltration of the Democratic Party. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. We want to hear from you.

Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now, your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. We are talking today. It is, by the way, we're live.

It's July 7th, Will.

So I'm sure people know that. Yeah, I like that. We dress similarly every day. And by similarly, I mean I wear the same clothes every day.

So sometimes people, I think, think it's a tape, but it's not. We're live right now. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. I want to hear from you. We are talking today about John Fetterman.

Look, if you flashback four or five years ago, you know, this is the biggest babyface turn I think that's ever happened in the world of parliament. It is. And today is the 30th anniversary of the NWO.

So you know what? For life, that being said, phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. Fetterman has been on the edge, you know, for many years now, specifically since the October 7th attack. I feel like that was kind of the sticking moment for a lot of people, specifically Jewish Americans, who said, you know what, our party has gone too far in. All of their responses to these attacks and now have really inched themselves towards communism, inched themselves towards kind of crazy town for a lot of the candidates they are running.

And by the way, not only are they running, but they're winning. And you have a candidate. A more traditional Pennsylvania Democrat like John Fetterman saying, This is not the Democratic Party I'm used to. This is not where I originally signed up to be. And now we are seeing that not only from him.

But even from Hollywood, as people start to inch themselves and kind of push themselves away. From the Democratic Party. That's happening right now.

So, we're going to talk about that a little bit more. Also, big news in the world of the ACLJ. You're not going to want to miss that. It's going to come up in about our third segment. And you're not going to want to, again, miss that.

Rick Rinnell is going to be joining us a little bit later on the show. But phone lines, like I said, are open well at 1-800-684-3110 as we are celebrating Independence Week still.

Well, and this is specifically what we're talking about today. We're talking about John Fetterman going on and calling out the rest of his party. This largely is in reaction to these new allegations against the candidate for Senate in Maine, Graham Plattner. This is someone who has had a litany of issues, and it seems like these latest round of allegations are the final straw for those in the Democrat Party. Nazi tattoos were not enough.

That wasn't the red line for them, as it was for many of us, but it has gotten progressively worse and not in the progressive way they would like to claim as their mantle. But what you're seeing now is. This pushback, and all of a sudden, people rescinding their endorsements of this man that has consistently shown that he has a bad past and has not really shown that he is reformed in any way. That's kind of been what the talking points have been all along: is that, oh, these were things they keep digging up stuff. Who among us?

Cassifer's stone. These are literal phrases you're seeing thrown around on social media. They now seem like they have had enough with him. He has suspended all his campaign events. As he says, I am looking at what the best path forward is.

That is typically the type of language you hear before someone suspends their campaign and drops out of the race. They only have less than a week now for him to drop out and figure out what they're going to do on their ballot. Are they going to do something very Kamala Harris in that Maine Senate race? We are going to find out very quickly as the time gets less and less. But we're going to play some of what John Fetterman said last night because it's really important to hear in this day and age.

Yeah, let's hear John Fetterman bite too. And how does this make you feel for the future, even of the Democratic Party? Go ahead. refuse to overlook that but but honestly i would i would really call uh bernie sanders to apologize uh for pushing this kind of predator more than anyone he helped him elect And now apologize to the victims.

So I don't know why you want to keep pushing these kinds of people. Maybe he should consider set a few out and stop pushing these kinds of communists. Stop pushing these kinds of communists. Do you think John Fetterman is an outlier here? Or do you think this is where potentially we start to see?

a reconciliation of even the Democrats. Where they go, we have gone too far. What do you think? I want to hear from you. 1-800-684-31-10.

What's more likely? The John Fetterman. Leaves his party? like a Tulsi Gabbard did many years ago. Or is this more likely that the Democrats actually refocus when these moments happen?

1-800-684-3110. Let me know. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines, like I said, are open for you at 1-800-684-3110.

And as we continue this discussion, I did also want to remind you that we are in the middle of our Independence Week. And as of right now, during our Independence Week, all donations are doubled to aclj.org. And we have a very special opportunity, a special offer, something we've never done here before. Any gift over $250 right now, the first 100 people that do it at aclj.org slash USA are going to receive an ACLJ challenge coin, an ACLJ cooler bag as just a gift to you. It's branded America 250.

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Why, when you give, you are giving to causes that are affecting the world stage, but also individuals around this country, including children. And you're not going to want to miss this. Again, that'll be in the next segment. But we are still talking about really the push away as you have Grant Plattner likely. I believe to probably drop out of the race.

After a lot of allegations. But let's just be honest, it took a very long time. He won very easily. After coming with a ton of problems already, it's not like the guy, this is the first thing we've heard that is a negative or is a shocking moment. It started with the fact, of course, that he had some very interesting background and, of course, had a Nazi tattoo.

But We moved on from that. The Democrats moved on from that. They apologized for it. And he won. And now it feels like the allegations are getting too strong, so much so that even people are asking, not only people are withdrawing their endorsements, they're asking for him to be done.

And here's what's fascinating to me about the politics of the Democrat Party right now: is that one, it wasn't the Nazi tattoo. It was the allegations after allegations that built and built and built until finally they're like, we can't take it anymore. And there's a deadline. He won the nomination. Right.

And defeated an incumbent governor who had to drop out because she knew she was going to lose to him.

So someone who is a popular politician in the state. Couldn't defeat this and withdrew from the race, effectively handing the win to him. But when you're hearing people like John Fetterman, who is calling him a communist and saying Bernie Sanders needs to sit this one out. I think a couple years ago, we would have probably assumed. That someone like John Fetterman was on the ideological spectrum within the party closer to Bernie Sanders.

than to the middle of the party, if there is one anymore. Remember, Bernie Sanders is technically an independent who caucuses with the Democrats. He wouldn't even take the mantle of Democrat because he was so far to the left of their policies. What are you seeing now? Really, he has shaped the party in his image.

And you think between him and Mandami, who is now the kingmaker with these house races, it is when you see socialist candidates that are rising, and in what would have been the disqualifier for traditional Democrat politics just even a few years ago. That label being a socialist is now the party's heartbeat. And you're seeing when you hear these things like, oh, they have a Nazi tattoo. They are endorsed by the Democrat Socialists. They're going to be a member of the more prestigious member of Congress, the Senate.

There's only 100 members, two from each state. What you look at is that it isn't The things that would have been a disqualifier just for decency, a tattoo. of a Nazi tattoo, a known Nazi tattoo. That isn't it. That's not The last straw.

It takes a a repeated barrage of allegations. And I think that's actually a very dangerous place to be. You need to be judging people based off their policies. The Democrat socialist policies aren't what is normally at home within that party. And now In America, we are innocent until proven guilty.

I'm not defending him as a person. I think there's a repeated pattern of behavior we're seeing here from many different people that's being reported out. But once again, this isn't a court of law, this is a court of public opinion. And it took A litany of accusations that got progressively worse. It wasn't.

When they found out The misogynistic and nasty language, and quite frankly, not becoming of an elected official language he was using on Reddit. It wasn't that. And in actual language, it was against what the Democrats say that they're for. Not wanting that. Wasn't the Nazi tattoo.

Nope. It wasn't violent behavior. It wasn't inappropriate relationships that he was having while married and then through messaging. No, it wasn't that. It finally took them to have someone, and even that person who's accusing him says, I was seeing that none of this was really making a dent on his character.

And I know things that have happened to me as a victim that I'm gonna come forward to the press. But once again, innocent until proven guilty. These are allegations, but it took all of this. for Democrats like Rashida Tlaib to finally say just moments ago. I'm rescinding my endorsement of Graham Plattner.

It took her still almost 24 hours. from all of this to come out for her to make this statement. That is where it is surprising. When someone that used to have to be an independent and then choose to be a part of the party and caucus with the Democrats like Bernie Sanders, when he is now the heart and soul of the party, he is the one directing policy of the up-and-coming members of Congress, that's what's concerning. It's because it no longer looks like even what you could be a part of.

For anyone who had a remote, like, I'm a centrist. This isn't the party of the Clinton era in the 90s, or even Barack Obama, who pushed them closer to those type of ideals. But still would never have claimed a socialist mantra or mantle. That is what was lobbied against him. I think there would be a Federman kind of push if you had even someone like a Barack Obama or a pre-President.

Joe Biden, for that matter. I mean, people that were at least somewhat in a sensible People in their time in office. And I'm talking about President Biden because I think he was being pushed by a lot of people. I'm talking about the pre-Presidential run for Joe Biden, talking about Barack Obama. These were not, they were radicals, what felt like at the time.

George W. Bush, for that matter. I think you would have a lot of people who would feel like they were fans of George W. Bush now on the Democratic side or even on the Republican side that maybe weren't in those moments because the world has changed so dramatically. But you even have Rashida Tlaib putting out a statement saying she's withdrawing the endorsement of Graham Plattner, specifically though saying, because we got to have time to get someone, and I believe the quote exactly was a progressive fighter who will deliver for people and win back the Senate.

So again, saying, sure, the allegations are devastating. We can't stand for that, but we got to get somebody in here quickly.

Well, and I think, once again, when they are using this socialist mantra, and this is that thing we've been pointing out. They're they are When they win their primaries, the first thing they're talking about is Free Palestine. And the irony of that, of their even co-opting this anti-Semitic language, this anti-Israel language is baked into what it means to be a socialist. And we have this clip, it's about a minute 20 from Mayam Bialik, who was blossom famously. Yeah, blossom, you know, for the Big Bang theory, the host of Jeopardy for quite some time, but also a very proud Zionist, but a proud liberal, also as well.

A neurosurgeon, not neurosurgeon, but brilliant, neuroscientist, a brilliant mind, seems like a very kind person, someone you're probably not going to agree with a lot of times politically. But has Taken a lot of heat recently, of course, social-wise, because of her support of Israel. And she's even having these discussions openly and out loud, maybe to the detriment of her career. In saying things like this.

So we have a clip here from a podcast that she was on. Yeah, let's go ahead and play that for everyone to hear just exactly what she's saying. I don't identify with many of the things that the Democratic Party has chosen to prioritize, not just for the Israel reason or the Jewish reason. I think many of us feel very confused about our identity as Democrats because I think the Democratic Party has really let a lot of us down. And saying that earned me accusations of being a Republican in my own home, right?

That's how polarized it got. That if you questioned what's going on in the Democratic Party, all of a sudden there's only one solution, that means you're a Republican. No, I got a lot of other choices in between, you know? The principles of liberalism hold true no matter what. This notion that support for Israel is in conflict with the Democratic Party is fallacious and it's sinful.

There's a lot of moral ineptitude. It is egregious to treat one minority population with such disdain, hatred, disrespect. And intensity. When, if any other minority group received this kind of attention, there would be blood in the streets. That is the most suspicious aspect of what is going on.

And this is what I tell my children. We don't have to agree on everything, but there's something conspicuously suspicious about the attention being paid to Israel. Of course, that is focusing on Israel here. That was on the Bing Jewish podcast with Jonah Platt. But.

As she said, take even Israel aside from it. The push away. From sort of rational thinking has become grossly understated even right now. That's right. And even she goes on to talk about you can't even have a policy dispute.

anymore. And that's the world that she's used to and loves. And we'll be back with more on Sekulow. If you can during our Independence Week, support the work, and we're about to tell you something huge in the next segment. Go to aclj.org today.

Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open for you. I'm going to take some calls actually in this segment: 1-800-684-3110. We got Rick Winnell joining us in the next half, so I want to make sure we have time to get to all your calls if possible. Let's go to TJ, who's calling in Texas on line one.

Go ahead, TJ.

Okay. Hi, yes. My comment is why could we not try to? Um introduce a piece of legislation similar to the Communist Control Act of 1954 and name it the Socialists. Control Act of 2026.

Well, TJ, I simply don't think it would get through at this point. I don't know if it should. You know, I think we live in an area where people are able to speak their mind and vote how they sh feel like they should. The problem is you have an infiltrated party that is right now, not illegitimately. Voting for these policies.

Well, and I think here is one of the big problems as well, and something that we at the ACLJ many times are filing suits or briefs in court that would push back against this very kind of thing, because when you start to try and add Uh issues. To or requirements to being on a ballot that aren't in the Constitution, you start to run into issues. is something that then can be used against conservatives. If these individuals get into power.

So I think the best way to defeat that ideology is to speak out. Is to be very vocal about our return and the foundation of our founding documents, and to not let things like that get in the way of truth. And that's the problem, though, is when lies are told, or when people start to adhere to an ideology, it doesn't mean that the fix is to legislate them away. I think will be the telltale: whether people like John Fetterman. uh survive in terms of their Policies, whether they get pushed to the other side or whether they get pushed.

Out of office. Hopefully you have a reckoning. And that reckoning within the party is to get themselves a little bit back to normal. I would say it's probably needed to happen with the Republicans as well. And I think it kind of largely did.

It is starting to, where you are seeing some of those more fringe people who have, by the way, turned completely on a lot of what we believe get pushed out or feel like they had to leave. Because look, we can all say that we all went a little crazy, it felt like at one point. We were bringing in people who should not have been in office. And I feel like the Democrats have done the same now. And maybe you'll have people like John Fetterman or even celebrities who will start speaking out, people who will start talking about the fact that Democrats, whether it's, look, and I think the fact that you have a Maya Bialik or a Bill Maher or a Gwyneth Paltrow for that matter.

Gwyneth Paltrow said something very similar, which is, you know, her husband is so liberal that she thinks he thinks that she's a Republican. And she's out there doing an ad for an Israeli. Uh condo development. She did a big promo for it for these high-rises that look great. And then they started doing hashtag Gwinneset.

And saying that she had, you know, turned her back on the people in Gaza and everything like that, because you can't have any sort of nuanced belief in terms of Israel. And that does seem to be one of those things that does. Uh push everyone. over the edge a little bit further.

So, and maybe because it hits a little closer to home for a John Fetterman. Maybe it hits a little closer to home for Maya and Bialik or for Gwen Paltrow for that matter. Uh where it feels like oh. These pushback is not just over some policy discussions, but the policies are radical. Even the policies beyond Israel are radical.

Well, and that's once again to take this to a level of where the ACLJ works. When you see institutions that are getting out there and out of control, and it may get overlooked. We've talked for weeks now, and actually months when you add in what's happened previously in the year, and years when you talk about the length of representation, we've talked about this student in Washington State that is a middle schooler now. We have represented her since she was in second grade because the school. Continuously would target her for her faith and her beliefs and shut down her rights.

So, what, and we told you this, we sent a demand letter on this most recent attack against this student and her First Amendment rights and her parents' rights. And we said if the school doesn't respond appropriately, For the third time. We're going to federal court. And our attorneys right now are finishing the lawsuit. It will be this week filed against this school.

For continuously going after the student's First Amendment rights, her parents' rights. And many other things. I've seen previews of it, folks. And like I said, our attorneys are hard at work while they're in court even today on other issues. Finishing up this lawsuit that will be filed very soon against this school district because.

The world and the country, and as we focus on things like Graham Platiner and people running and saying, oh, we're socialist now, it doesn't take away that we still have to fight for individuals. Yes, the policies and all of these things can be dangerous when they shift at the top. But we're talking about small scale as well. And when you support the ACLJ during this Independence Week, you are supporting the independence, the rights of this little girl in Washington State. Who we've now had to represent.

This is the third instance that we have had to represent her through. And she's only a middle schooler. This started when she was in second grade. And you know how much it has cost? Her parents?

for legal representation from the ACLJ that they have been able to enjoy and I say that enjoy and not in a funny way, I mean, but since she was in second grade, They've had to pay the ACLJ zero dollars. Because we do not charge the clients for legal representation. And when we go to federal court against this school district, they also will not be paying for this representation because of you. Because when you stand with the ACLJ, it's not just the ACLJ that stands with this girl and her family. It is every single one of you that's a hero to her saying, I'm gonna stand up today.

And stand with you because that shouldn't take place in this country. That's how you affect change. You affect change by standing with that little girl. In fighting back against what that school has been doing to her since she's in second grade. And we've played nice because they've given some platitudes and some responses that were fine on paper, but we see the pattern and we're not going to let it keep going.

And that's why we will be suing them very, very soon. And it's all because of you standing with the ACLJ during this Independence Week. Yeah, and look, we only have a minute and a half left in this first half hour, but we'll be back for a second half hour. We're going to continue to take your calls at 1-800-684-30110. But right now, as we wrap up, as we know some of you do have to get back to work or whatever it may be, maybe you're on your commute.

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Rick Rinnell is going to be joining us in the next segment. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. We are talking about not just John Fennerman saying, Hey, quit pushing these communists. This is what happened. You push these radicals, and they end up having a lot of issues.

Of course, Graham Platiner is one of them, who is now looking like is going to be forced to step down. I mean, not forced, but will have to make the decision based upon political pressure, including even now Bernie Sanders, who was one of his biggest supporters.

Now saying, Yeah, I think it's time. It's time for him to step down. He just. Why has we been on the air? Called for that.

Let's actually hear from John Fetterman, though, so those who are just watching us can hear what he said earlier. And this again was on the news just yesterday. Again, let's hear from John Fetterman. refuse to overlook that. But but honestly, I would really call Bernie Sanders to apologize for pushing this kind of predator more than anyone he helped him elect.

And now apologize to the victims.

So I don't know why you want to keep pushing these kinds of people. Maybe he should consider set a few out and stop pushing these kinds of communists. Remember when uh if you were a conservative and you were concerned about um socialism, the rise of socialism, or if or how dare you if you even went so far as to say communist? You would be mocked, ridiculed by the media. Laughed at.

How dare you? They're so ridiculous over there. In reality, though, now you're having a member of the Democrat Party, and what I would argue is probably one of the more traditional Democrats in the party. is saying stop pushing communist on us. Is just one of the things I don't think would have been in my bingo card of 2026.

But here we are, because that's what they're pushing. That is what you see with these three very radical individuals in New York that have won their primaries and will go on almost certainly to be members of the House of Representatives. We see that in Colorado in the Denver district. Once again, defeating a 30-year incumbent who is endorsed by the Congressional Progressive Caucus. And Prima Jayapal?

That is About as liberal as you can get. She had the endorsement. And the Democrat voters there said, no, we want to go one step further. further. Yeah, that was an individual who said the USA deserved 9-11, had it coming, and a litany of other things.

We played that where it was one of the more bizarre acceptance speeches after winning the primary because it was filled with rage. The candidate was screaming in an angry tone, not a triumphant, hey, we just won. I'm about to be a member of the House of Representatives come November. It was rageful, but with like party air horns that they would play after her statements of, we will end genocide in Palestine. It is such a bizarre world that we are living in.

What was that, Will? What was that? DJ Will over here. DJ Will. You missed that.

You missed the triumphant win of the socialist in Colorado. I know you were not tuned in while you were out of office to the party primaries in Florida. Issues going on with Gators. That was all the news. That is a thing that happened.

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Uh Welcome back to Sekulow. We are joined now by Rick Brunel. And Rick, the President has now landed in Ankara, Turkey, for the NATO summit that is happening there. There's a lot of news out there about it. But top line, what do you think the President's goal is for this NATO summit as it's being hosted by Erdogan in Turkey?

And we've seen a lot of news about NATO in the recent weeks. Look, Turkey has been a NATO ally of the United States since 1952. We've gone through a lot of iterations with them. Most people will tell you that the Turks in Brussels at NATO headquarters are extremely professional. And they participate fully in NATO exercises.

We have a base, a United States base in Turkey.

So I'm actually somebody who believes that we should keep the Turks close. They are a vital part of NATO. They have an incredible military. And they also have been very helpful with us. in terms of dealing with Russia.

President Erdogan is someone who can really help us make progress with the Russians, and we need to utilize that. They are a Muslim country along with Albania. There are two Muslim countries in NATO. And I think that we can be safer as Americans when we utilize our allies within NATO to help us out.

Well, and I think Erdogan isn't necessarily ideologically on the same plane as the United States. But what we've seen is the ability for President Trump and someone like Erdogan, who is a strongman leader, more of an Islamist leader than probably many of us would be comfortable with having, definitely having as our leader here. But we've seen the President be able to work with someone like that. And I think that also, going back to the first term, I mean, I remember you were the one who greeted Pastor Brunson on the tarmac when we were able to free him. It was the work of the ACLJ, but ultimately, because it was gotten to the President of the United States.

Who is able to work with someone like Erdogan? That is not, it wasn't the specialty of the Obama administration of getting individuals that were being persecuted or American citizens out of strongman countries unless we gave them pallets full of cash, let's say, as they did with the Iranians. It shows that the ability of that uh that negotiation style What do we see this week? The Chinese government released an American citizen, or not an American citizen, sorry, a Chinese national that was being held for operating underground church networks and was able to come back to the United States where he has family and is able to be safe here. That is Showing that it takes a negotiator like President Trump to deal with strong men, whether it be President Xi or a NATO ally like Erdogan.

And we see that when you go into a summit like this, that that is the type of leader that can get results when there are contentious issues. Yeah, look, I have a very sophisticated view. I shouldn't say sophisticated, I'd say a complicated, multi-level view of. Of foreign policy. I will say you have a sophisticated view.

You can be humble about that. I didn't mean it as sophisticated, as condescending. I meant it as a complex, maybe that's the better word. A view of foreign policy. And here's my view: one of the reasons I decided to jump on President Trump in 2016 when he was running is because he has this viewpoint of America first.

Let's put our national security and our interests first. We don't control other countries. Policies. We don't sign off on everything they do, and therefore it's complicated. Turkey has had a long, complicated foreign policy over the last couple of decades.

That's not always our business. We can pressure them because we're NATO allies. I certainly understand that they have a complicated relationship with Israel, and I wish that they could improve on that relationship. But my view is: what do we do? What's best for America?

And what's best for America is to have a NATO ally like Turkey, a strong NATO ally that is committed to be in partnership with us.

Now, over the years, we have had a policy in the United States government to push Turkey away. I don't think we should do that. I think we should bring them close and have incrementalism. Are they perfect? No, no, not one of our allies is perfect.

We're not even perfect, but the idea that we're going to shove them aside and be purist about it, I reject that idea. I want incrementalism. I want to keep people close, keep countries close, keep our partners close so that we can make improvements like what you referred to with Pastor Brunson. It's the same with the UK, I would say. The UK denied us access to bases when we were doing our Iran policy.

So did Italy. But we need to keep them close to be able to produce in the future policies and moments that are better for the United States. We don't sign off on other countries' entire foreign policies. We are looking at this as to say what's best for the United States.

Well, and I think that's what's so important for the listeners of this broadcast and supporters to be able to hear. Nuance from you, from people here at the ACLJ, because in a world where headlines are what most people consume, being able to actually dig in beyond just a binary choice of Erdogan good or Erdogan bad. And that That's not really the way the world operates. And when we can dig into these issues for an extended amount of time, you're getting something here on Sekulow that you're not hearing anywhere else. It also may not be.

Sometimes the mainstream narrative that even within the Republican Party or conservative ideology, we're not afraid to dig into these issues and see what we can come forward with. We think about the UK, as you mentioned, and the special relationship that the United States has with the UK. Who appeared to be more like allies during this conflict with Iran? The Gulf states and nations that traditionally may not have the most Western ideology alignment with the United States. And our traditional friends were really nowhere to be found during that.

And I think that's where.

Something that the President has focused on, NATO, for his first term and very much a good portion of it now, he understands that things need to change, that the status quo of Washington foreign policy is what is so dangerous. When there's either a binary choice of this person is good or bad, sometimes isn't the best way to conduct foreign policy, especially if you're in an alliance with those people. Look, I love having NGOs that push a purist policy and remind us that we need to move towards a goal. And I don't begrudge NGOs for doing that. But if you're running an NGO, you are not running U.S.

policy, and U.S. policy has to be different. We have to be able to make progress for the American people. What I love about Donald Trump's policy is that he is focused on what's best for America. Unapologetically.

He is just saying, I'm going to make decisions with our allies and others and make our foreign policy all about America. And that means that we have a complicated, differentiated policy towards our traditional allies every now and then. I recognize that Turkey hasn't been a perfect ally to Israel, but I think that we can help smooth that relationship over by keeping Turkey close. Rick, final question here, just a pivot of topic because we see the meltdown of the Graham Plattner campaign over the last 24 hours. One, if you were watching this, it's almost like anyone could have predicted that this could have eventually happened.

It was a steady barrage of negative things about this individual as a candidate. I think, though, it should be a reckoning for anyone. on either side of the aisle that But primary politics, local politics matter because you can shape the vision of your party in the future if you actively engage or even if you sit out. Look, last week I went to Maine to campaign for my friend Susan Collins, and I think this is another example of incrementalism. I recognize that Susan Collins is not the type of U.S.

senator that works in Texas or Mississippi or Florida, but she is a great senator and we need to support her. She is thoughtful and I really like her as a person. And we can keep trying to push towards a more purist policy. But we need Susan Collins in the Senate.

So I went up there. I would just say this: let's just note that a Nazi tattoo was not the thing. that made the Democrats run. And once again, that should say it all to everyone. And let's hope that it doesn't get.

That's bad on the right, that a Nazi tattoo doesn't become a disqualifier for whom we want to put into office. But I think also, Rick, to your point as well. It's candidates like Susan Collins that show that conservatives. Really do hold more to democracy than the left because they want. Cookie Cutter Made in There party's image candidates.

And that's not always what you get when you are free thinking and on the right. Rick, thank you so much for joining us today. Folks, we will be back with more on Sekulow and taking your phone calls at 1-800-684-3110. Welcome back to Sekulow. Now it's time to hear from you.

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Somebody better hold for over 30 minutes. Let's go to Jamal, North Carolina on line two. Go ahead. Hey, no problem. Always good to hear this programming.

You guys are a blessing. Also like to say my appreciation too that you don't charge people for defending them. That's something that I think some people miss.

So that that's big. But the main reason why I was calling, I was talking to your screener, I was seeing that clip from Couldn't miss up her name, Mariam B. Yalik. Mali B. Yalek, yeah.

Thank you. I was saying that clip needs to be shared.

So I was asking how can I Access it in Shigery because that needs to go out to every person. Yeah, I'll see what we can do about that specifically. But I know that is from the podcast called the Being Jewish Podcast with Jonah Platt. And look, I always tell Will, it comes across my feed, those kind of things happen because of the accounts I follow.

So I follow a lot of Zionist accounts, follow a lot of Jewish accounts.

So it happens. And also, I'm very connected in pop culture.

So Maya Bialik, if you don't know, and I'm going to play it actually again. Mayan Bialik was the star of Blossom back in the 80s and 90s. And of course, later on, known for her role in the Big Bang Theory, was the host of Jeopardy. And somewhat is unsure if some of these more calls to push to support Israel, some of the reasons maybe she doesn't have some of that work even today. And she discussed that a little bit more at length, but talked about really even within her own home, how pushing back against where the Democratic Party is standing, including obviously Israel, was sort of what they were discussing, but even in a whole.

How that can cause issues within your own home, and how you don't, what happens when you stop identifying with that sort of extreme rhetoric coming out. And I think we should play the clip again, but the one that where we pulled it from was shared by the Australia, Israel, and Jewish Affairs Council on Instagram.

So, Logan, you are one of the 20,000 followers, maybe of this account. Am I the follower of that account? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But he got served to Logan.

But once again, It is resonating with people, Jamal, because the clips from this account have. 2,000, 5,000, you know, 4,000 views. That's good. But this one clip has 134,000 views.

So I think that message is resonating with people. And it is the longer clip as well has some more interesting things about it. But we're going to play just a portion of it because we are on radio and on broadcast and everything.

So let's go ahead and roll this. This is Maya Mbialik talking on this podcast about kind of the issues with the Democrat Party today. I don't identify with many of the things that the Democratic Party has chosen to prioritize, not just for the Israel reason or the Jewish reason. I think many of us feel very confused about our identity as Democrats because I think the Democratic Party has really let a lot of us down. And saying that earned me accusations of being a Republican in my own home, right?

That's how polarized it got. That if you questioned what's going on in the Democratic Party, all of a sudden there's only one solution, that means you're a Republican. No, I got a lot of other choices in between, you know? The principles of liberalism hold true no matter what. This notion that support for Israel is in conflict with the Democratic Party is fallacious and it's sinful.

There's a lot of moral ineptitude. It is egregious to treat one minority population with such disdain, hatred, disrespect. And intensity when, if any other minority group received this kind of attention, there would be blood in the streets. That is the most suspicious aspect of what is going on. And this is what I tell my children.

We don't have to agree on everything, but there's something conspicuously suspicious about the attention being paid to Israel. Yeah, a breath of fresh air, actually, when it comes to Mayan Bialik and her thoughts, not only in Israel, but even where the Democrat Party is heading. It makes no claims to be a conservative, very much actually says in some of the longer clips that she upholds almost all the Democrat policies that are more traditional Democrat policies. But how that has shifted and how the liberalism has become, where you have people like her and Bill Maher and Gwyneth Paltrow, and of course, John Fetterman, and some of these going, okay, this party has gotten itself out of hand. Let's go ahead and take a couple more calls.

Michael, in Florida, line one, go ahead. Gentlemen I kind of want, I've got a question towards. I don't know if you guys remember Ed Koch, mayor of New York City, who got. When he tried to get re-election, he got voted out. One of the reporters asked him a question, are you going to be running for reelection?

And he turned it down and said, no, the voters have voted and now they must suffer.

So I'm kind of wondering what your take is on the current situation with the current mayor, Mandani, of New York City, where He's kind of been voted in and has, in my opinion, broken some campaign promises.

So what's the temperature of, you know, kind of the Yeah. Let's not pretend, Michael, that uh he is not beloved. In New York City right now, and that he is not an icon on the streets as someone who is being held up as a hero. I don't want to pretend that because I see it. Obviously, there are these.

More moderates and the conservatives that had issues with him and still have issues with him and are, you know, get pushed back on the 78 degrees and all those kind of things. But The mass majority of people that voted for him I think there are a lot of young people, a lot of people that see him as a character, honestly, kind of like this, where you can't say anything bad about him.

Well, I think, Michael, the temperature in the place like New York City, other than being very hot because your thermostats are being told to be put at 78, I think is very much positive around their mayor. And the proof of that is what happened in the primaries just a little bit over a week ago in New York, where you had Three candidates that were to the far left that he was backing, that are Democrat socialists. They defeated. Incumbent Democrats. People that were mainline party, actually, one of them, Goldman, was the leader of the impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives as an attorney for the Democrats, wasn't even in Congress yet.

He should have been. The hero of the Democrats because of how far he went after President Trump, but because he was Jewish, supported Israel and Supported Israel and got kicked out of a coffee shop. Was defeated by a socialist. Let's go ahead quickly. I want to take Renee.

We're running out of time, Renee, but you hold for a long time, so go ahead. I wanted to uh Before I talk about the platiner, I just wanted to say I was as a young child, we're Catholic from South Texas and living grew up in Libya through the Air Force off base. It's just horrid to not be able to display your cross. It's horrid to not be able to say any prayers in public. But we were guests and that's what we did.

Uh my question about you is golly candidate choices that we have.

So I see Platiner And I'm not too problematic with Susan, but I can see why people wouldn't want to vote for her. Here in South Texas, We gotta choose between Calarico and also uh Pa Paxton, and I just I can't vote for either one of those guys. And my congressman's Gonzalez, so I gotta vote for somebody else. Why is the two-party system producing such horrible, horrid candidates? Please explain that to me.

I mean, look, we only got 30 seconds. Part of it is no one wants to run. Also, Rene, when you look at a system when it comes to the Senate, a lot of times, especially in a place like Texas, the state party is very powerful. And they, what did you see here, though? You saw Ken Paxton unseat.

A very long-term incumbent Republican.

So, very similar in ways to what's happened around the country. We're running out of time, but I think you have to vote your conscience, Renee. Yeah, go to aclj.org. Thanks, Renee. Make your support today known.

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