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There's some of our favorites. In the 2000s, Don Newland was a force to be reckoned with in the design industry. working for General Motors. and some of the best designers in the world. But issues were starting to arise at home.
with her husband Chris. Let's get into the story. Here's Dawn to start us off. and later you'll be hearing from U.S. Army veteran William Lambert.
Mm-hmm. In He decided to start cheating. And I agree. Found out. and asked him to move out.
And uh May, I believe it was. And Because he was my heart and soul, and I loved him dearly in December. I let him come home, move back in, and just tried to go on with Not discussing it. I knew what was going on, and I don't want to live it every day, so we don't want to talk about it. And I tried very hard to live by those rules, but he could not.
Could not forgive himself for what he had done, the damage he had done to our marriage and to all of the friendships that were. involved around the business and the way the families looked at him. it was very hard on him and he just he could not get past it.
So Um July 2nd of 07. at about 11 o'clock at night. we were laying in bed and he asked me if I had felt any different? and I said no. and he said, Don't worry about it, I'm leaving.
and he went to our spare bedroom. where I heard him making various noises, so I went to go see what he was doing. and when I walked in the room he was sitting on the floor with a 308 rifle. on the floor between his knees and was going to shoot himself. I did everything in my power, beg, plead.
cry, you name it, to get him to put the rifle down. And during that conversation I realized that There was nothing I was going to say. He had made up his mind, this is what he was going to do. And the only option that I had was to try and take the rifle from him. Um From previous training that I had from being around the police department and some martial arts training, I know better.
You don't ever try and grab a gun from someone. But I felt like it was the only thing I could do. And I reached over, and I was watching what he was doing and then analyzing. There's so much room between the top hand and his chin. I can grab the gun and I can pull it back over here to my right, get it away from him, and hopefully we can.
make a better ending out of this night. as I started to grab the gun.
Some one said to me, Do not pull that gun towards yourself. And so mid swing, I grabbed the gun and I pushed it the opposite direction of where I was planning on and I was standing To do the other, and so. I didn't get completely out of his reach and he grabbed the gun. dislocated through my fingers taking tr with us wrestling over the the gun with him trying to take it back from me. He ultimately got it.
and pulled it up under his chin and shot himself. And It fell at my feet and died. Yeah. I don't remember most of the rest of the night. and most of the next of next year.
I I don't remember a lot of Um I vaguely remember being on the phone with 911. I don't know how. I don't remember getting my phone, I don't remember calling them. From there, I learned PTSD very quickly. I did three deployments, two to Iraq and one to Afghanistan.
And My second deployment By far, it was the worst for me. My vehicle. I was struck with an ID. And uh You know, didn't think anything about it. Then I went on with my day and did my normal thing.
And I got out of the military in 2014.
So I did 11 years. Twelve years. And That's when stuff started kind of happening to me. I was having trouble sleeping. I was having nightmares.
I was hearing radio transmissions in my head. Yeah, it's uh it was weird. You know, I had a job where I was working for a satellite company in Missouri. And uh I would just be driving down the interstate in my work van and I would see an explosion on the side of the road or I would I would hear it and I would feel it. You know, it's that concussion that you would feel and I you know, there's not something's not right here.
And uh I just got really, really down and started drinking a little bit more. And the next thing I know, I'm making a noose and hanging it in my shop and I'm almost in it, you know? Luckily, I was caught and was taken to the hospital for evaluation. They got me on some medicine and then I was like, well. The medicine, I know it takes a little while.
But it still didn't work and I tried to do it again.
Well, I had what they call a survivor's guilt. My unit, my second deployment, lost 15 guys. Do the eighties. I I was hit with the same IED. Why not me?
What makes me special? Why didn't I lose an arm? Why didn't I lose a leg? Why didn't I die? That was very Oh.
very hard for me to figure out and And I still don't know. The fact that I couldn't take the gun from him. Stud for a very long time. that I failed. And I let him die.
And I know that's not true. I know that's not true now. But it doesn't make you feel any better. And you've been listening to Don Newland. and U.
S. Army vet William Lambert. sharing their very different stories. about survivors' guilt. And of course, PTSD.
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and William had survived a hellish deployment overseas. Let's return to their stories. My mom was coming over once a week, helping me pay my bills because I couldn't remember how to write a check. I was putting post-it notes. on my mirror in my Durango.
during the day when I would think of something that I had to do. And then I would put them in order of the way I had to do them because If I did not have a step-by-step for my day, I had no idea. what I was doing, where I was at, why am I here? And there was one day that I was, I have no idea what I was doing. I left my home.
And I call it woke up down at Pinnacle Mall in Arkansas. There were three or four hours between when I left my house and when I was aware again of where I was at. and I literally looked around in my truck to see if I had been shopping. I was like Nope. Haven't been shopping.
Might as well go. I'm here.
So I. You can't function. There are just some days that there's nothing you can do, you can't express what's going on, and if you told people. what's actually going on in your head, they put you in a padded room. I ended up doing three stays in the VA mental ward.
And uh The therapy sucked. I don't know if I can say that, but it was horrible. Uh because I can't remember the actual medical term for it, but they make you relive the event. Over and over and over again. And your conscious mind knows that it's not real.
But It's still there. Survivor's guilt. Chris had actually planned on killing me that night with him. He had actually researched serial killers and suicides. Yeah, there were three big books that he had, and he had them.
pages marked. On how to kill your significant other and then yourself so that you could stay together forever. And he had planned on taking me with him that night. And that was a very, very harsh reality also that By the grace of God, I'm still here, and that is it. Um But although I know in my head and and my heart that None of that was my fault.
He was the one decided that he was going to do s to do the suicide. The fact that I couldn't take the gun from him. Stood. for a very long time. that I failed.
And I let him die. But Anyway. At the end of that year, Had decided that I needed something that was just me, that didn't revolve around that, the shop, the business, what I was doing, anything that had any memory of him. And I'd always wanted horses, always loved horses.
So. Because I'm me and I never do anything the easy way, my very first horse was a five-year-old untouched wild Mustang. And I named him Katana. after the samurai sword because the uh samurai consider their sword as part of their soul. and I decided that I had survived a near death.
And This was part of this was my soul. and so his name was Katana. And then my second horse was a two-year-old untouched wild Mustang, and I named him Trinity. For my horses, me and God, and that was my Trinity. And I'll try not to cry.
Um Then I got Comanche. And he was a three-year-old untouched. Uh wild must tank. And I spent the next Three years. Every day.
A lot of times all day. training with those horses. Um Very emotional. For the next three years, that's all I did. Eat, sleep.
Liam. horses. The nights that I couldn't sleep, instead of calling a friend, I went to the field with a brush or brushes. and I would come back in and every horse in the field was spit shine and polished before I came back inside. And I would come straight in and literally drop the clothes on the way to the bedroom and crawl in bed and try to go to sleep before any of it could rush back in.
And I discovered that even in the first month of working with just Katana, that I was beginning to rest. And The hallucinations seemed to fade. About four years in, I started my business back up. For about two years and Something was missing. and I couldn't figure out what.
And a friend of mine brought four or five kids over, and all of them but this one girl were all excited about the horses, and the one girl stood in the corner. I asked her what was wrong. And she whispers, I'm afraid. And I said, Why are you afraid? And she said, Because horses are mean.
I said, Oh, honey, my horses aren't mean. Why are you whispering? She said, Because they can hear me. I said, they can hear you whisper. I just kind of giggled.
And she goes, What? I said, They can hear you whisper. I said, They can hear things we can't even think about. I said, They can smell things we we will never understand. And long story short, over about a 45-minute period, I got her.
to come into the Round Pen with me and I brought one of my smaller mustangs. And She said, but they bite. He didn't bite you? I said, No. She said, But they kick.
I said no. And I went behind him and I wiggled his tail and I stood behind him and I scratched down his legs, just like He didn't kick you and I said, No, he won't kick you. And so I moved him over and I stepped up on the fence and I slid over on him and I walked him around the round pen, and she was like, oh. He didn't do anything bad and I said, No, ma'am.
Okay. I said, um Do you trust me? And she's like, Yes. And I said, okay. Said Will you trust me to sit on him?
And she got real wide-eyed and she goes Yes. And I got her to sit on him. And when she sat on him, I had her slide back and lay down and just drape her arms around his neck and hug him. And she just burst into tears because This was the coolest thing she'd ever done in her life. We walked one lap around the around pen and she was like, This is awesome.
And I said, and see. You did it. And she looked around and It had hit her. I did it. And I said, honey, you can do anything you set your mind to.
I said, you just have to set your mind to it. I said, you may not do it like I do it. Or the way she does it, or he does it, but you can do it your way and make it your own special thing, and all that matters is you try. And she just looked at me and she cried again, which made me cry. And we all had a good cry, but she was all happy.
This little girl had such a horrible family life. She had painted a cat face. On her face in all black because she told me she didn't want to be human, humans suck. And it just broke my heart. And I noticed that she was wearing leather wristbands.
When I was getting her on the horse, I reached my hand out and said, Give me your hand. I said, Do you trust me? and she took my hand and as I slid over, slid her over, The wristband moved and I can see fresh cuts. and a friend of mine told me she had just gotten out of the the psych unit for trying to commit suicide. I mean she had only been out long enough for them to take her out and bring her to me.
We're talking forty five minutes, and she managed to cut her wrist, and nobody even knew it. And about two weeks later. that friend sent me a post off Facebook. the same little girl. Her hair was black, the cat face, the goth look.
She had posted on Facebook. She had put her hair back her normal color. had very light makeup done like a pretty young lady. and on her post she said Someone told me that I can do anything I want to, all I've got to do is try. And it it hit me Right then.
There's something there. And there's something there indeed. Anyone who's been around equine therapy knows the power. Of the horse to heal. And you're listening to Don Newland tell the story her trauma.
and what helped her get through it. And U.S. Army veteran William Lambert, too, struggling with survivors' guilt. When we come back. These two lives intersect.
Well, in a beautiful way. More of their stories here. On our American story. Spending time outdoors, then let's talk about skin cancer. Non-melanoma skin cancers, or NMSCs, including basal cell carcinoma and cutaneous squamous cell carcinoma, are the most common cancers in the U.S.
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Thanks again to Vital Proteins for sponsoring us. And we return to our American stories and the story of Don Newland. William Lambert and their respective walks with PTSD. that brought them together. When we last left off, Dawn had discovered that working with wild mustangs had greatly impacted her life.
She could sleep again, think again, and live well again. And after watching her horses help a child, he decided to start advertising her equine assisted therapy. to others. Let's return to the story. Uh I started advertising that I would see people that had emotional traumas of whatever kind and especially working with anyone with PTSD because obviously I was quite fluent in that.
So, as I'm trying to get the word out, I started visiting with all of the local VFWs. At any other military-related facility where I could go and talk. I'm pretty sure I did a horrible job talking because I was Nervous and trying to explain something that I'm not sure I fully. understood how to relate. I knew how it worked, why it worked, but to put it into words.
Um But several military started coming out. I worked with a lot of people. I had gotten out of the hospital for the third time. I was on some medicine that was It was working. It was keeping me calm and mellow.
And then I met Dawn. When we first met, I was actually doing a fundraiser at Orchlands, and he happened to buy. and we visited for a little while. I was up there, I was looking for peach trees. We were gonna put peach trees out.
And we saw her booth and She had a sign up that says Veterans Welcome and PTSD. I can't exactly remember what the sign said. Just me being jokingly, I walked over and uh I said, well, how much is it for a veteran with PTSD? And she looked right at me and she said, it's free, come out. And I was like, you know what?
I grew up around horses. My dad had a whole bunch. Let's go up there. Let's go visit her and see what she can do for me. What a month or so later, a couple of months later?
About that, yeah. She just kind of said, here's Here's this horse. I think it was Trinity that you put me on. No, it was the. Or bourbon that I put you on the first time?
It was bourbon. And. Um She got him in the round pin and I started loving on him and everything like you're supposed to. She put me on him and We kind of walked around a little bit, and she, you know, she mentioned it earlier, she made me lay down and I put my arms around him and. I was like, you know what?
I really. I really like that. I really need that. And uh Said, you know what, I'm going to start coming out here. Yeah.
PTSD is not curable. It is something that you have for life. but you learn how to cope with it. And the horses teach you those coping skills in the round pen, if you're trying to work with your horse. And you've got a smile on your face, and you tell everyone, Yeah, I'm fine, I'm in a good mood, the world's great, blah, blah.
The horse looks at you and goes, ha ha ha. Try again. feel what you're feeling, not what you're saying.
So when you go to try and handle the horse, as you're angry or extremely emotional. The horse will back away from you or avoid you in any way if they can because they don't know what it is that has you so emotional, but they don't want that. Anger or frustration pointed in their direction. They're like, oh no, you go pet somebody else or try to move somebody else. But then you learn to Analyze why my horse is not doing what I want it to do.
And you can go. Oh, you because I'm in a whatever mood and that's why my horse is acting like this. And for people with PTSD, it is. a huge thing to be able to Self-analyze. It helps you.
learn to trust yourself again because with PTSD you don't. I fell in love with Faith. She's just a beautiful horse. There was something about William that just really struck me that he needed That extra because mine that I've hand-raised are extra loving and He fell in love with Faith, and I was like, oh, I don't know about letting me work with her. She had never been saddled.
and ridden. And you want to talk about a huge leap of faith with him and I because He trusted me not to get him. Killed and trusted the horse not to blow up on him, and he got to do. Her first. I hadn't even ridden my horse.
He got to do the. the first ride on her and He was a bit nervous. He discovered that when the horse got scared, she runs to him.
So she's running to him. Meantime, having this heart attack because the stirrups attacked her. She freaked out. But she was staying calm because I was there at the same time freaking out. I don't know how that was possible, but she did it.
And she finally calmed down, and I loved on her and told her it was okay. She never once tried to rip the lead out of my hand or anything. She was just... It was me sidestepping her every time she run to me, and then she'd be like, Hey, where'd you go? And then she would turn around and the stirrups would hit her again because she was going fast.
And she's always still there and she would run back to me. We finally got her calmed down. There's a little bit of excitement, but we came through it.
So But that was one of the big Building blocks for him because When he came out, he didn't have a lot of faith in himself, which is again, the PTSD makes you miserable. And he learned that day that he could handle her. He could function in that. She trusted him. and she was looking to him for leadership and she genuinely just loves him.
And when you can calm a thousand-pound horse, Down while they're having a panic attack, that's a huge thing. He's gone. I mean, he can tell you. He wouldn't go into crowds. I had him ride in a parade.
This place has helped me So much in the what three years two and a half years three years I'm no longer taking anxiety medicine. and psych meds. It's just remarkable what the horses offer, you know, it's just that. I don't know how to explain it. It's that companion.
You know, you come out and it's just you and the horse. I need it. It's like she said, you know, PTSD is not curable. It's always there. It's just how you suppress it, how you...
control it. The horses the They taught you that control. They bring you that peace. There's times with faith. I'll just bring her up to the barn and just her and I'll sit in the barn.
and I'll brush her and I'll finish brushing her and I'll just sit down and let her eat. while I'm standing next to her and and and We don't I don't say anything to her, but she hears me. And I'll tell you right now, if it wasn't for faith, I wouldn't be here. Mentioning no names, we had another guy that was out for a short period of time that was very suicidal. And he called one day and said he was on his way out, and when he got there, He said the only reason he did not put the gun in his mouth was because of the work William and I had done with him with the horses.
He said, I didn't want to let you guys down. I promised I wouldn't do it and I didn't. And I don't care who you are. Yanks on your heart. And it and at the same point in time it makes you feel a little proud because you've done something to save a life and it's It is so rewarding to know that um in in both of our cases when You've lost someone.
You know, I couldn't stop Chris from killing himself. He couldn't change what happened to his unit. but we have someone standing right here that we did help. And it doesn't make up for those things, but it helps heal them. They're still there, they're still real, but you don't...
you don't feel quite so worthless. You know that you've done something.
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