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to search for the Our American Stories podcast. Go to the iHeartRadio app. or wherever you get your podcast. John Feinstein is a sports writer of 42 books. twenty three of them New York Times bestsellers.
His first book, about Bobby Knight and the Indiana Hoosiers, A Season on the Brink, is the best selling sports book of all time. He's also the friend of Duke University's legendary basketball coach, Mike Shyszewski, otherwise known as Coach Kay, who won five national titles at Duke. and three consecutive gold medals. As the head coach of the US men's Olympic basketball team, John's here to tell the story of how that almost didn't happen. I actually first met Mike Shyzzevsky and Jim Valvano on the same day when I was a senior in college.
Duke was playing Connecticut in New York City at Madison Square Garden. Duke was bad in those days. People refuse to believe that Duke was ever bad in basketball, but they were bad. In fact, the Duke Yukon game. Was the first game of the Garden Doubleheader.
The feature game was Fordham and Rutgers. That's how different times were. And I flew into New York, which was my hometown. with Bill Foster, who was then Duke's coach. Tom Mickel, who was Duke's Sports Information Director, and Tate Armstrong, who was the star of the team who had played on the 1976 Olympic team for Dean Smith.
And there was a media lunch every Tuesday in those days in New York. For the New York basketball coaches. And Jim Valvano was coaching at Iona, and Mike Szyzzewski was coaching at Army, his alma mater, where he had played for Bob Knight. And when the lunch was over, Valvano came over to see Bill Foster because he played for him at Rutgers. And he brought along with him Shyzzevsky and Tom Penders, who was then the coach at Columbia, who would go on to win 648 games in his career.
And as we were talking, I mentioned to Shyzzewski that I had seen his greatest game. in the 1969 MIT when I was a kid in New York. When the Army had upset South Carolina and he had guarded John Roach, South Carolina's all-American the whole game and held him to 11 points.
So that sort of got us off to a good start. Although we did vehemently disagree on the subject of the Cubs and Mets, he's a Chicago kid, Cubs fan. I obviously New York Kid Mets fan. But after I got to the Washington Post a year later, I kept in touch with both Shyszewski and Dalvano.
So I knew them both when they were hired, respectively, at Duke and at North Carolina State in 1980. And by then, I was covering ACC basketball for the Washington Post. And so I dealt with them. A lot. And I think it's fair to say I became close to both of them.
I later Years and years later, I wrote a book called The Legends Club, which was about Shaszewski Valvano and Dean Smith, all of whom I was fortunate enough to deal with quite a bit in the 1980s when they were coaching against each other. in a research triangle in North Carolina. And Valvano, of course, was a rocket. His team won the national championship in 1983, the famous Survive and Advance team, the championship ending with Lorenzo Charles' Dunk off of what Derek Wittenberg still insists was a pass. Uh, and so Velvano, because of his personality, because of his success, was a huge star.
Shyzzewski, not so much. He used to joke about how. How he had to follow Valvano at ACC Media Days. Jim would get up, do 20 minutes of stand-up, leave everybody on the floor. And then Mike would follow and talk about the battle for the center position between Mike Tissaw and Alan Williams, which didn't exactly rock the room.
So Shyzzewski's first recruiting class was a bust. They finished second for a bunch of very good players, the most notable being Chris Mullen, who went to St. John's. But then the second year, they had a better recruiting class, a very good recruiting class, in fact. But that in in Mike's third season, 1983, The team was divided, seniors and freshmen resenting one another.
They lost a game early in the season to Wagner at home. And the drumbeats were getting louder, that the alumni thought that Shyzzewski was a bad hire. And you have to go back. The two real heroes of this story, other than Mike. Are Tom Butters, the athletic director, and Steve Visendak, who was the number two guy in the athletic department, who had been a star at Duke in the 1960s under Vic Bubis, played on Final Four teams there.
And it was Visendak who first brought Shyzzevsky to Butter's attention. Butters knew that Bill Foster was going to leave for South Carolina at the end of the 1980 season. And he put Vessendek in charge of the coaching search because Vessendek was a basketball player. And there were a bunch of names that were out there. Bob Weltlick was at Mississippi.
Bob Knight was pushing him hard. Weltlick had played, coached under Knight, as had Shyzzewski, of course. Bob Wenzel was Bill Foster's number one assistant, helped build the program. forget that the year Foster left, Duke lost in the Elite Eight, they were good. But most of their key players graduated off that team.
Not all, but most. And there was a guy named Paul Webb who had had great success at Old Dominion. In fact, the day that Duke hired its new coach, the Durham Morning Herald had a story saying that the new Duke coach's last name would start with a W, Wenzel, Webb, or Weltlick. But The sendak had met. Shyshevsky, when Shyzzewski was coaching at Army, he was living in Annapolis.
went and spent some time with him as he was preparing for a Navy game, Army Navy game. And he was blown away by him. He was very young. But very much in command of his team, and was clearly, in Steve's opinion, a great defensive coach.
So he brought. Shashevsky's name. to butters butters had never heard of them literally had never heard of them And he said, okay, what was his record in Army this year? And Pasendak went 9 and 17. And, but I can't hire a coach at Duke who was just 9, 17 in Army.
Vasandak convinced him to meet. Shashaski. And he did twice and was blown away by it and said to Vesendek at one point. I think this is the next great coach. And Steve said, good, hire him.
He said, I can't hire a coach from Army with a 9 and 17 record. And that is indeed true. Nine and seventeen at Army. Isn't exactly what you want to bring to an ACC program that had just gotten to the Elite Eight. True, they were losing many of those star players who got them to the Elite Eight, but my goodness, 9 and 17 from Army.
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We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ionic 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamar. Want the full story? Take a listen. Hetty, she starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon. Do you know a lot about him?
I mean, I watch The Aviator, so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed me to know about him, but incredible innovator. Right. She says he's a, quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well. Give us examples.
I know. They do. get along intellectually. And in fact, she helps him design a faster plane. She takes a look at what he's designed.
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Presented by the Hyundai Ionic 5. Goodbye. And we continue with our American stories. We last left off learning that Duke Athletic Director Tom Butters saw Coach K as the next great basketball coach. Talk about some vision.
but he couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger on a coach from Army with a nine and seventeen record. Let's return to a friend of Coach K's and sportswriter of 23 New York Times bestsellers, including the one he wrote about Coach Kay, The Legends Club. Here's John Feinstein. Butters did hire Shyzzewski, and in fact, he shocked the basketball world. It was completely unexpected.
As I said, he'd been 9-17 at Army. And Knight, interestingly, was pushing Weltlick for the job. Butters had spoken to Knight. about who he should hire, and Knight had told him Weltlick. And Butter said, Well, what about Mike Tzzzewski?
Because Steve Visendek had brought him up. And Knight said, well, I don't think this is the time for Mike. But he's got all of my good qualities and none of my bad, which was a very accurate statement, as it turned out. But the other thing is. that when Shyzevsky got the job.
He literally had to spell his name. For the media at his opening press conference, and he said that one of his goals as a coach was for his players. To be able to spell his name by the time they graduated. Of course, this is in the days when players did actually graduate. The next day, The student newspaper at Duke the Chronicle, which is where I started my career.
I had a headline that said, not a typo. Shyshavsky. And most people Had not heard of the guy. I mean, basketball junkies like me. Had heard of him and knew him, but nobody in the ACC had any idea who he was.
And again, it took a lot of guts for Tom Butters. to hire him at that moment. after Shyzzewski's third year. When Butters didn't fire him, he got death threats, literally, from boosters. And in fact, I met with him, Tom Butters, when I was working on my book, The Legends Club, on Shyzzewski, Jim Belvano, and Dean Smith.
And he brought with him a box. And in the box were letters. And one stack of the letters were from boosters written in 1983, 1984. saying, fire him or I will never give another dollar to Duke. In the second stack of the letters were letters sent in 1990.
After Duke had turned it around and Shyzzewski had become a star, and he was offered the Boston Celtics job by none other than Red Auerbach. And the letters were from essentially the same group who had written in 1983, 84 saying, get rid of this guy, saying, whatever you have to do, whatever you have to pay him, do not let him leave. And Fortunately for Duke, it wasn't about the money. Mike felt he hadn't won a national championship yet. And so even though he'd grown up as a Celtics fan and worshipped Red Hour back, He said, the job's not done yet, and turned it down.
And of course, won his first national title the next year. And that's how much it turned around. When Mike was offered the Lakers' job. In 2004, he was offered $40 million for five years. And he wasn't going to take it, but he had to give it some thought, given the money.
And it was the Lakers. And he called Butters and he said, What do you think, Tom? And he said, I think you should give me a 10% finder's fee if you take the job. And Mike said, okay. I'll send you $4,000 because his first year salary was $40,000.
And so they flailed for three years. In 1983, Mike's third year, they lost their last game of the season. 109.66 to Virginia in the ACC tournament, Ralph Sampson. If you walk up to Mike Schzzzewski right now and say, What was the score of the game against Virginia in the ACC tournament in 1983? He can tell.
tell you what it was in an instant. He's never forgotten. And The fourth game that night, first night of the ACC tournament, was Georgia Tech in Maryland, and I was the Maryland beat rider. for the post. And Bobby Dwyer, who was Mike's number one assistant at the time, who'd come with him from Army, came into the Omni, the old arena there, which is now long gone.
and found me and Keith Drum, who was the sports editor of the Durham Morning Herald. at the time and was probably the only member of the North Carolina media. who hadn't attacked Shyzzevsky. and hadn't called for him to be fired. North Carolina media, then as now.
is made up largely of North Carolina. graduates. The school has a great journalism school and many, if not most, stay in the state. Keith had also gone to North Carolina, but he liked Shyzzewski, liked and respected Dean Smith too, but he liked Shyzzewski and thought. He was going to be a great coach someday.
Keith ended up being an NBA scout.
So his level of understanding of basketball was different than most sports writers.
So, Dwyer came to the press table where Keith and I were sitting and said, When this game is over, you both need to come with me. back to our hotel. And we said, why? And he said, because Mickey, Mike's wife. is in the room crying because she's convinced they're going to get fired.
All the alumni and boosters have Tom Butters backed up against a wall in the lobby, demanding that he fire Shyzzewski immediately. And Mike is pacing around trying to figure out who to kill first. because he's so angry with everybody. And so when the game was over, Keith and I, it was after midnight by then, got in a car with Bobby and we drove to the perimeter of Atlanta where Duke was staying. and went to the hotel.
and it was pouring down rain. And we drove to a Denny's nearby. It was Mike. It was Bobby, Keith, me, Tom Mickel, the Sports Information Director. Keith's wife, Barbie.
And Johnny Moore, who was Tom Michel's assistant. When we walked into the Denny's, we sat down. And they gave us water. And by now it's two in the morning. And Tom Mickel.
Held up his glass. and said, here's to forgetting tonight. And Shyshevsky held up his glass and said, Here's to never blanking forgetting tonight. Blanking is one of his favorite words for the record. And So we all we didn't laugh because he was dead serious, and then the discussion.
Went on and Dwyer mentioned that Tom Sheehey, who had verbally committed to Virginia. Very good player. might be thinking twice about that commitment and maybe they could get back involved. And try to recruit Sheehi. And Shyshevsky shook his head and said, no, no, first of all, we don't do that.
Second of all, If we can't win next year with these four freshmen, Allery, Billis, Dawkins. And David Henderson, and Tommy Amaker, who is coming in as the point guard, then we should get fired. And in many ways, that statement to me, having known Mike for as long as I have, that's who Mike Shashevsky is. It's never someone else's fault. Mike Shaszewski has always taken the approach, what did I do wrong?
How do I get better?
Now some of that is his West Point training. Because when you're a plebe at West Point and an upperclassman speaks to you, You're allowed three answers. Yes, sir. No, sir. No excuse, sir.
And Shashevsky's life has been built on no excuse, sir. I never met a coach who uses failure. to his advantage more than Shyszchevsky. And that night was a perfect example.
So the next year of course, with those five guys I mentioned. They went 24 and 10. They beat North Carolina with Michael Jordan in the ACC tournament, and that was the turnaround. And you've been listening to John Feinstein tell a heck of a story about how Coach Kay's career at Duke. almost didn't happen.
After year three, still not winning, At the heart of Tobacco Road, the heart of ACC basketball country, Coach K loses to the University of Virginia and Ralph Sampson's team. By an epic. Epic Blowout 109-66. It does not get worse than that and losing it in, of all places, in the ACC tournament. Everyone was sure that was it.
The boosters were coming after Coach K. Everyone was. The wife was crying, and he was just mad. And who was he mad at? He was mad at Coach K.
In the end. And he was taking responsibility and ownership. for that loss, as he was taught to do at West Point. Three answers to a question at West Point by an older person. And that is an older student, folks, when you're a freshman.
A senior has to be addressed as sir. Yes, sir, no, sir, or no excuse, sir. And as John Feinstein said, No excuse, sir. Those were the words that Coach K lived by. And by the way, I love that scene in that Denny's.
It's pouring rain, and there's one coach toasting the forgetting the game. And what does Coach K say? Reflecting his true character, his competitive nature, and a little bit of his Irish Catholic, well, let us just say, fanciful nature with some swear words. He says, here's to never blanking forgetting. tonight.
Never forgetting. And that's what animated Coach K that loss. That failure. drove so much of his life. When we come back, more of this remarkable piece of storytelling by the great American sports writer, John Feinstein, here.
on our American story. Yeah. Liberty has never been just a word to we Americans. It has guided every one of our endeavors for the past 250 years. And now it takes form in a new way.
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I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people. If we got clear facts, maybe we could calm down a little.
NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America. This is Tony A.O.
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Hi, it's Karen in Georgia from My Favorite Murder. We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ionic 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamar. Want the full story? Take a listen. Hetty, she starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon.
Do you know a lot about him? I mean, I watch The Aviator, so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed me to know about him, but incredible innovator. Right. She says he's a, quote, very strange man. Oh.
But they do get along really well. Give us exams, I know. They do. get along intellectually. And in fact, she helps him design a faster plane.
She takes a look at what he's designed. It's got these square wings, and she's like, that doesn't make sense. And so she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of like what the two would look like as a plane. And that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius.
Check out our new episode, Spotlight and Groundbreaking Innovators like Hedi Lamar and Billie Jean King. Presented by the Hyundai Ionic 5. Goodbye. And we continue with our American stories and with John Feinstein. Duke's head basketball coach Coach Kay was almost fired in 1983 as we learn, but the following year he went 24-10.
This was the turnaround season for Coach Kay. Let's return to his friend. And sportswriter of 23 New York Times bestsellers, including the one he wrote about Coach Kaye, The Legends Club. Let's return to John Feinstein. From there Again, they made the tournament the next year and in 1986, they went 37-3.
Went to the national championship game, lost, I will say on a bad call. Khachewski would never say that, but I will, and became college basketball's next great dynasty. It's my opinion that the only coach who you can put ahead of Shysewski on Mount Rushmore is John Wooden. But five national championships, 13 Final Fours, more than Wooden, even, and then ACC championships and I mean, he went to 23 Sweet 16s. That's just stupid.
23 and in every one of them because in the old days of course You know, before they expanded the tournament, conference champions went straight to the Sweet 16. But Starting in 1985. You had to win two games to get to the sweet 16. And six to win the championship.
So 23 sweet 16s. Are you? I mean, Dean Smith. Great coach, longevity, all that. Went to 18.
Which is a great number. But the first three, he didn't have to win a game to get there because once they won the ACC, they were in the Sweet 16.
So His numbers are just ridiculous. 1,205 wins. I mean, the numbers just go on and on. And, but to me, The one thing about Shashevsky that shouldn't be forgotten. He went to his first Final Four in 1986.
He went to his last final four 36 years later in 2022. And think about how much college basketball changed. during those 36 years. There was a 45 second clock for the first year in 1986. There was no three-point shot in 1986.
No one had ever heard the phrase one and done. in 1986. And the game, the way the game was played has changed so much. since Mike first started coaching, which was at Army in 1976. and he adapted.
He kept saying, if I want to continue to coach, I have to change. Not, I'm going to sit here and say, it's terrible that change has taken place. I'm like that myself. But 2022 is last year. He goes to a Final Four with the youngest team he ever coached.
So I could see that. in him very early on. I really believed if Duke gave him the time, he was going to become a great coach that night at Denny's was sort of a. key moment. In fact, So in 1991, when they won the national championship for the first time.
I walked down the court after the game and I walked up to Mike and I put out my hand and I said, Hey, congratulations. I'm so happy for you. And he pulled me in and he said, We've come a long way from the blanking Dennis, haven't we? And 20 years after that I was working on a book called One on One, which was sort of about my experiences with the people I dealt with in my first 10 books. It was a professional semi-memoir.
And one of the people obviously I wanted to talk to was Mike. And I called him and I said, look, next week. When you play at UNC Greensboro, you're going to go past Dean Smith on the all-time wins list. And if you go back to those early days at Duke, There's no way we would have ever thought about you and Dean Smith in the same sentence, much less you going past Dean Smith. and I'd like to come down and just hang out with you.
and talk to you about those early days and things like that. And he said, sure, come on down. Meet me in my office at 2.30. You can ride the bus to Greensboro with us. We'll talk then.
And once we get there, we'll have time in the locker room. Before the game starts, is that okay for you? And I said, great.
So I drove down to Durham and met two friends for lunch. One was Bill Brill, who was also a Duke graduate, and the other was Mike Craig, who's now the athletic director at St. John's. But back then, he was kind of Shyzzewski's Man Friday. He was his chief fundraiser.
And if you watch Mike walk off a court after a game. Two feet behind him was Mike Craig at all times. And so we went to lunch. And Mike Craig said, so when are you going to talk to Coach K? And I said, well, on the bus going to Greensboro.
And he said You came all the way down here just to talk to him on a cell phone? I said, no, I'm going to talk to him from the next seat. And he said, no, no, no, no, you misunderstood something. Nobody who's not part of the team rides that bus except for Mickey. He said, I don't even ride that bus.
So you misunderstood something.
So I walked him through what Mike had said. I said, what did I misunderstand? And he sh Mike Craig's shaking his head and he goes, I don't understand it. Why would he let you do that? Why would he let you do that?
And I said. Because I was in the blank and dennies. And to this day, Mike will bring that up to me when we're just talking about how important that night was in his life. Mike will tell you. And Dean Smith.
said the same thing about his first three years at North Carolina. That in today's world, with social media, with the internet, with sports talk radio, with 24-hour sports networks. he probably would have been fired. by the end of his third year. That you know, I got emails and tweets from North Carolina fans.
during this past season when North Carolina was 16 and seven. But they had just lost to Duke by 20 at home, saying, Hubert Davis can't do this. Hubert Davis was the wrong guy. We got to get rid of Hubert Davis.
Well, they ended up in the national championship game and beat Duke twice along the way to get there.
So that's the way the world is today. It's knee-jerk reactions. It wasn't that way. There weren't nearly as many games on television. In those days, sports talk radio hadn't started yet.
1987, WFAN was the first. All Sports Talk station in New York City. There was no social media, there was no internet.
So Mike was able to fly. pretty much under the radar other than with Duke people. During that time. And even then. And it took a lot of guts for Tom Butters to stand by him throughout that period.
And like I always say I always say this to people that He's a better guy. Then he was a coach. And that's a hell of a statement if you think about it. He's still bigging out right now from all the Emails and cards and letters that he's gotten from people. He said he had 3,000 of them.
after the season ended and he's he wants to answer every one of them And uh The things that he's done for people. that nobody knows about. It goes on, the list goes on and on and on and on. My brother had cancer 21 years ago. And he's also a Duke graduate.
And I called Mike and I said, listen, would you mind giving my brother a call? you know because it would cheer them up just to hear from you right now Mike said, sure.
So we called him. and they were on the phone for about an hour. And my brother is a typical fan. You know, he knows better than the coach.
So he said, coach, can I give you some advice? And Mike said, yeah, sure, Bobby. And he said. You need to play Casey Sanders more. Casey Sanders was the backup center.
And Mike said, okay, I'll give that some thought.
Well, in February, Carlos Boozer got hurt.
So Sanders became a starter while Boozer was out. And then when Boozer came back, because They'd been playing well. Sanders continued to start, although Boozer still got the bulk of the minutes. And they won the national championship that year. And to this day, my brother takes credit for that national championship.
And every once in a while, he'll call me and say, Shyzzewski should do this. And I'll say, here's his cell number. You give him a call and tell him that. Yeah. And a terrific job on the production and the editing by Greg Hengler.
And a special thanks to John Feinstein. for sharing this remarkable story about his friend. And what a thing to be able to say after years of writing sports. Is that these weren't mere subjects you were writing about, but friends, and that shows the character and nature. Of John's work and his commitment to telling the story of American sports and the people who make it hum.
And it's a business. But it's more than a business. My goodness, we learned that from the passion from the fans, their knee-jerk reactions to losses. It's overwhelming. I listen to sports talk radio sometimes, and I just pity any head coach of anything.
The relentless criticism and the desire for immediate gratification is almost unrelenting. And how to manage it in today's environment, well kudos to the people who do. And that night at Denny's, That stuck with Coach K all the way through. He never did forget. Don Feinstein, the story of Coach K and how his career almost didn't happen.
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