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This is Lee Habib, and this is Our American Stories. And we tell stories about everything here on this show. On January 23rd, 1961, just four days after President John F. Kennedy was sworn into office, A B-52 bomber crashed near Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina. Two H bombs, each 250 times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan marking the end of World War II, were thrown out And fell at a velocity of 700 miles per hour and crashed into Goldsboro, North Carolina.
Information about this event was kept classified until 2013. This is the true story of that mission as told by the man who actually dismantled the hydrogen bombs in the aftermath of an accident that could have been the worst man-made disaster in history. Here's Earl Smith. with the true story of the Goldsboro Broken Era.
Well, I graduated high school in 1956 in Hatton, Alabama. And like everybody else around there, the day after you graduate high school, you go to Kalamazoo, Michigan.
So I go to Kalamazoo to visit my brother. I had a brother and two sisters live there in My brother had a neighbor. About my age, and so we decided to go downtown on a Saturday morning just to fool around, and so there was a recruiter station. I said, Let's go and make that thing guy think we're going to join.
So so it was in the morning we were down there, so uh by uh three o'clock that afternoon we was pulling out on the train for the processing station in the Air Force.
So anyway, when I went back my brother was about to have a heart attack. He said, You did what? I said, I joined the Air Force. No, you didn't. Yeah, yeah, I did.
I gotta leave this afternoon. Yeah. And I left. We signed up on a buddy plan and after that I never saw my buddy again.
So He goes to California for school and I go to Texas. And the first school I w went to is called Munitions School. And they give you different tests to see kind of what you qualified for. This uh first assignment they send me to down to Puerto Rico. Raimi Air Force Base.
So I go down down to uh Puerto Rico there and uh Well, I'm doing the job at what a munition maintenance calls for, which is basically taking care of the bombs and the ammo in the storage area and loading them on a plane or what have you.
Well The Air Force decided to start an airborne alert with nuclear weapons.
So we had 33 B-36 bombers down there.
So They started what they call Operation Curtain Raiser. Every day at one o'clock a plane would leave Rhymy. and at the same time another plane would leave North Africa. There's one always in the air and five on the ground, or five days on the ground, loaded with nuclear weapons, each one, ready to go, and ammunition.
So anyway, when I leave Puerto Rico, They formed a new squadron called the 53rd MMS, which is Munitions Maintenance Squadron. And we wound up at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina. Back then, I just figured I'd rather disarm a bomb and eat when I was hungry. I was real regular, you know, back then. But I'm the same kid that when I was growing up, all the little neighbor kids older than me, they taught me into turning over a neighbor's beehive and stuff like that, and I thought it was bucket in the well, the old Doug wells, and I'd do stuff like that.
I was real dairy.
So I guess it stems from back from something like that. I had put in for bum disposal school, but Before you can get in, you have to, I understand, have to have a a grade of ninety or above, I believe, from munition matton for them to put the money behind you. And it's strictly voluntary.
So I received an appointment after a few months to go to AOD school in Indiana, Maryland.
Well, the school, the school, like I say, was extremely hard. You just literally. Live from day to day and hope you can make it through another day. Because the man, when they're in the indoctrination, first of all, they take you out in this field. It's about a 20 acre field.
and they have everything that's ever been thrown, dropped, or projected. From all over the world, up to a V1 and V2 rocket. It hadn't got to the big rockets at the time. And a man tells you, he said, gentlemen, before you graduate this school, if you're fortunate enough to graduate this school, you'll be able to walk up to any piece of ordinance out here and tell me what it is. What kind of explosive used in it?
What kind of fusion system? And what country it's from, and how to disarm it. And everybody punching everybody, yeah, sure, uh-uh, yeah. I mean, it's but before you leave that school, that's one of the easier things you can do. You're not even got into the big missiles and what have you.
But Really, the nuclear bombs hadn't entered hadn't entered my mind. I I I just never dreaming that I'd have anything dropped in my lap like was dropped in my lap. But Once I uh I get back to my base after I graduate. And uh It happened to be my night on uh Stand by. It was January, it was actually January the 23rd, 1961.
when the control tower called me. And they said, uh We have a B-52 coming in, tell number 0187, with fuel leaks in the Bombay area.
Well, I knew that was serious because when they go to let the landing gear down you possibly have sparks could you know create a fire And I lived off base.
So It had been a snow on the ground, and it was about ten degrees that night, so I got dressed right quick and I didn't bother to lace my boots on. I just wrapped the strings around them, tied them. But by the time I got to the base, They determined it had crashed off base about 12 miles.
So General Mower already had a helicopter waiting for me because the EOD man has uh First, priority on what they call a broken era. The bomb that fell was a Mark 39 bomb, which is actually 3.8. megatons of explosive. And a lot of people don't know how much a Megaton is. If you take a railroad car, coal car, and you load it heaping up with TNT.
It would stretch all the way across the United States and back in far Chicago. That's only one megaton. This was 3.8. And you've been listening to Earl Smith, the true story of the Goldsboro Broken Arrow. You're gonna want to hear the rest of this story here.
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Here's Earle making that statistic. understandable. for laymen. The experts claim that It would, with the fallout and everything, if one of them had gone off, it would have killed everybody all the way from New York City all down the eastern seaboard to the tip of the Florida Keys.
So pretty much wiping off the whole eastern seaboard. It was 250 times stronger than what was dropped on Hiroshima. That was only 40 kilotons.
So this thing was just a monster.
So when we get out to the thing, he has a light under the helicopter and we're flying around and I see a parachute. I said, my God, they're not supposed to be connected.
So I said, set me down as close as you can get to it. And the guy said, but I don't want to get too close. I said, it don't matter, buddy. You get me as close as you can.
So General Moore tells me, he said, now you can't touch that bomb or anything until we get permission from Atomic Energy Commission. I said, no, sir, that's not the way it works. and that scared me.
So I got off and see what to do and I walk up to the ball and When I opened that access door, and saw that red A, I mean, I just I just turned cold. I mean it's scariest thing. I I was twenty four years old and And as the old saying, what am I doing here? You know, that is uh.
Some I just didn't sign up for. But uh It was, it was, uh, it was armed and functioning. And I thought... I really thought at that point when I couldn't find that other mom, I thought I was dying. I mean, it's funny what you can tell your mind, you can tell yourself, and I did.
I was pain. I had the pains in the chest and everything was right around. I mean, buddy, I knew I was going. I was going fast, but I had to get done what I could. And I happened to look over in the distance, there was about a five mile area that was literally lit up, with parts of the plane burning.
And I saw an ambulance over with the big, big... Kraus on it. and I started to feel better for some reason or other, you know.
So so A few hours later, Few outrage ever, a general seemed like an Air Force showing up. And uh General Moore, who was uh General Moore was a one-star general, And General Sweeney, who was the the uh the commander of eighth Air Force, of which I was assigned to. Anyway, he starts asking me what all did you do first, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I said, Well, sir, I'm probably in a lot of trouble. He said, What do you mean?
Well When uh General Sweeney uh found out that um I had um Been told by General Moore that I had to get permission from the Atomic Energy Commission. He turned to it as a Aiden said, Get Darrell Moore over here. I said, Oh Lord, I'm in trouble.
So General Moore comes up, and the very words he said to General Moore, he said, General Moore, If you don't know this man's damn job, I suggest you have him up to your office about two to three times a week for coffee and donut so he can explain to you what the hell he does. Oh, Lord, my heart just sunk because General Moore is going back to 8th Air Force. And here I'm going to be stuck on base with this general, and I'm a little old airman, first class enlisted man, you know, and he made him look bad, made him look real bad. Nothing ever came of it, but uh That was I was more scared of that than I was of the bomb. I wasn't worried about the bomb.
I knew I could take it.
Well, about an hour and a half later, three more of the EOD men, a Sergeant Fletcher, and the Sergeant Fincher and Sergeant Evers, they came out in the pickup. and we proceeded to disarm the the first bomb. And um What happens, those bombs are so powerful. They have to be let down by parachute because they blow the plane out of the air, but they can be set up to 46 hours. this can be that long a delay.
Because they don't worry about The Russians coming up and disarming them because if they don't do exactly the steps as they're supposed to be, it'll blow up anyway.
So we knew that part too.
So you got to do one disconnect one CKT wire and then wait three minutes and so on and then you know the steps and you have to do it exactly.
So That's it's that's the reason f for the parachute.
So Anyway. We get this bomb taken care of and I called out the motor pool for them to get a to bring a flatbed truck out so they could get down in the lift to get this bomb to go back to the base. Otherwise, it's taken care of.
Well, eight and a half hours. After this happens, This Lieutenant Revelle shows up with a crew from SAC headquarters, right Patterson Air Force Base. And he comes marching out there like little Lord Fortenroy. taken in charge.
Well, the first thing he did was we finally found a second bomb. And that was well, it really took about About three days before we really got to the park because everything had to be done. We'd have to be real careful digging. Because we get had 92 di detonators that were alive. And those had to be, each one had to be counted for and put in a little container and got back to the base.
Well, when they got down, dug deep enough for the big afterbody part where the parachute was still in.
Well, Lieutenant Revelle and his group removed that out of the ground. You have just that afterbody.
Well, I was the lowest ranking man on there, so I got the good duty of getting down in the hole, down in the muddy water and icy water and everything. reaching down in the hole. and pulling up parts of the bomb and identifying what each one was. And uh I reached down and I got the the the nuclear core. Rot it up between my legs.
And I handed it to somebody, I don't remember who it was, but I told him I probably won't ever have any more kids. And I didn't after that.
So Once we got all of that stuff out in a tritium bottle, then there wasn't really anything else. for them to, you know, that's explosive, to where the big, the big diggers couldn't come in. And uh The local people wouldn't drink the water. You were scared to death. They wouldn't drink the water.
So we got permission to bring. Three of the old timers around, I can't remember even what their names were. But anyway, I took her. a cup and poured some water in it and I drank it. And I said, well, you know, you think I will drink it if, you know, so that kind of.
gave him peace of mind, so we never heard any more thing about that. But they told us to didn't want the public to know what we were looking for. There was one a part had which weighed about 3,000 pounds, which was uranium 235 and 238. it hit hard pan and kept going. And we were looking for this.
That's what all the digging was going to be about. But they told us to tell everybody when they were reporting anybody else that we were looking for a part to an ejection seat. It made made a lot of now that's what we actually had to to say. But One one poor man was a sharecropper. And he looks up.
and see this humongous parachute with something in it. He thought the Russians were invading.
So he grabbed a pawn of cornbread and some milk and some blankets. They found him seven hours later under some bushes where they were looking for uh Major Shelton, he was Something had killed him. Three bodies were killed, and two bodies were in the wreckage immediately close to where the bomb was.
Well but uh Five men survived. One man, Captain Maddox, He didn't have an ejection seat.
So, when everybody else ejected, he said he saw. He saw a hole and he just dove for it. Never dreaming he'd get out.
So he made it through and then uh He hits the ride somewhere back to the banks. He still had a parachute. And the gate guard was talking about going to arrest him, thought he'd stole a parachute. But nobody, to my knowledge, has ever escaped jumping out of them. jet plane and survive.
And you're listening to Earl Smith. and my goodness, what he was up to that day. in North Carolina.
Well, we never knew about it until fairly recently. There's been a book written about it, a big bestseller. It's being optioned. As a movie, The Goldsboro Broken Arrow is the thriller by Joel Dobson. The book inaccurately recounts the story from the perspective of Jack Cravelle, and that's why we're bringing you Earl Smith's account.
He was the guy who did the work. Not the guy who wanted the credit, and we know the difference between those two when it comes to political theater. and showboaters. When we come back, we're going to continue this remarkable story. The story of how one of the world's greatest man-made disasters was averted.
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Mm-hmm. Hello, hello, this is Malcolm Glabel from Smart Talks with IBM. Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari HP. Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.
I'm still working on rolling my Rs. But what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the tefosi. the Ferrari superfans in the digital age. Ferrari fans and Super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something.
So they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team. You've got Ferrari, which is a long. history, design history. And now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two.
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And we continue here with our American stories and we love telling you these stories from history. Because they're important and my goodness, these are things ordinary Americans do that are Well, they're just extraordinary. Let's return to Earl Smith, picking up with three other men who helped him dismantle. The hydrogen bomb. back in nineteen sixty one in Goldsboro, North Carolina.
They're the real heroes, too. Like I said, they're. They're all dead now, and what had happened before this, before I found out about all this. Um Somehow This Lieutenant Revell had found out the other three guys were dead.
So he thought I was dead too.
So he proceeded to tell the story like all how he took care of that bomb. Which was a bunch of crap. I mean just out and out blatant lie or something like that because he had nothing to do. That bomb was ready at the time he got shot, come on team, was taken care of ready to go back to the base. And I imagine he was quite shocked when he found out that I was still alive.
After I came up there, and there was a lot of publicity about it, after I got back home, this movie producer. Call me from Paris, France. And uh He said he was making a movie called The Cold War and he loved to tell my story in it. And he said, I'll fly you back up there and we'll pay all your expenses and everything. And I said, okay.
We s I went back up there and and um April of that year.
Well, the man who uh Kurt Keller who is a Principal person. He is, he wants everything to be historically correct. and he's the president of the historical society for Goldsboro.
Well This lieutenant when he was telling his story Me or neither of three of the other guys were ever mentioned about anything. Never mentioned. never mentioned.
So That set me on fire about getting everything straight.
So that's when I went back. The salute or Kirk Keller invited me up to tell the story. As a matter of fact, when we made this movie. The man is flying over from Paris. The guy who's the uh Director or president of Historical Society, he said this Lieutenant Revelle was invited to be a part of it too.
He said, I'll take bets, he won't show up. And guess what? He didn't. I was sure hoping to hell he would. After all that he told and this stuff and and after Three dead men, Sergeant Fincher, Sergeant Fletcher, and Sergeant Evers.
But all they'd done, I mean, they couldn't defend herself. And the way he did that, I lost any respect I ever might have had about him. And then when they write this book, He wrote this book. I think it ended up being two books. I've only seen one, Broken Air over Goldsboro.
The man that wrote that, I finally had talked to him and I said, I don't hold you. I said, first of all, ask me, where did you get this information? He said, well, from Lieutenant Revelle. I said well he pulled you a bunch of crap. And then I proceeded to tell him about what really happened.
And he said, well, I figured Yeah, it was an officer and a gentleman, and I said, well, you kind of figured wrong on this one, because he wasn't. Uh turned out to be uh uh Other than that, But he never showed up when we went to film this movie. But That's the way it happened. I I I remember everything just just like it's yesterday. I don't I don't 'Cause when something like that is is it's so Vivid, I mean, something is so important, you just don't forget it.
But like I say, I never thought. We were told to never ever mention it. They'd say, you don't ever speak of this. You don't ever, you ever, you never, never, ever, ever speak of it.
So that scared this old boy, so I kind of put it out of my mind. Yeah. Well, first of all, they said Something that bothered me for many years because they were telling everybody that all the parts were found. And I knew that piece of uranium-238-235 was still in that ground. And I didn't know where anything might have moved, where it might have.
finally started uh doing something to the water supply. And it bothered me for many years about the people living down there and and and uh But uh We were told that no, you you you don't talk about this, you don't you know. But they were telling, the Air Force was telling, we were looking for an injection seat to see what kill.
Okay. Major Shelton. And they spent a little over a million dollars digging.
Now a million dollars in 1961 was a lot of money. Very money.
So they let us know right quick, you don't talk about it. And President Kennedy had only been in office four days, and that was his first. First, uh Uh speech I think he had to make about our our press report, I guess. But like I said, I know There were a lot of generals, a lot of generals there and uh And a lot of media has started showing that police finally had that, well, they threatened with a $25,000 fine. That's what.
Now they couldn't keep them out, but that's what they did. But it was more that hello, don't you don't say a word about this, don't say a word about it, you know.
So, uh I don't think it uh there he is. I thought for a long time I worried about it, but Because when you think about it, uh The radiation would have come from the core, and we got the core out. But this other is buried so deep that uranium, that's where it comes from out of the ground anyway, so.
So uh They're still on the ground. They're doing they do regular testing on it. But in my later years, I got in. I mostly selling RVs up, Dandy RV up in. Oxford.
And these men came in and they were EOD men.
So I mentioned to one of them, I said, Well, you know what? I was ex-COD man, I said, I worked on a little job up in North Carolina and he looked, well, look, you worked on that job? I said, yeah, I said, I sure did. I said, I was on standby. I had it by myself for an hour and a half.
He said, You know it's all over the internet, and I said. Why now? I mean, so boy, I finally got in and got on there and after reading all that stuff, my blood started boiling, all that crap he was telling, you know. And uh I mean, not only just for myself, for the other men that risk their lives. When you go out on something like that, you don't know what's going to happen.
And uh But for him to come in and try to take credit for something somebody else did. It's just not right. There's no wa no way in the world. I I d I don't I don't hold any animosity toward him. He's At the time, I could have broke his neck when I first heard about it.
But you're not supposed to hate and and I mean, this the whole thing was just I mean, just just just like something something that's never It's never happening. And you've been listening to Earl Smith. Telling the story. of disarming A hydrogen bomb no two hydrogen bombs It fell on North Carolina back on January 23rd. nineteen sixty one This event was kept classified.
Until 2013. And by the way, assuming that everyone had died, Lieutenant Jack Revelle decided to, well, do what we all know people like this. did what he thought he could do, take advantage of an opportunity and take credit. for work done by other men. No surprise that he wasn't showing up wherever Earl Smith showed up.
Because, my goodness, Earle would have had detailed memory of disarming that bomb that let's face it lieutenant jack revell simply couldn't or didn't have. A great story, and by the way, we always welcome your stories. Send them to ouramericanstories.com. And this is just a, look, you don't hear a guy talking about himself in heroic ways. He did what he was trained to do.
And he did it with a bunch of guys, and a whole bunch of guys died probably trying to get this plane to land safely. And not create, again, what would have been perhaps the worst man-made disaster. in human history. Earl Smith's story, the story of a man who disarmed a couple of H-bombs. in North Carolina back in 1961, the year of my birth.
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