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This is a story about forgiveness, brokenness, and true reconciliation from two guys. who should have been hardened, bitter enemies. Without any further ado, let's hear how Andrew and Jamel's unlikely stories intersect. starting with Jamel. February 8th.
2006 was the day that forever changed my life. February 8, 2006, really just another day for me. All I wanted to do was go to the store and get some milk for my son. All I wanted on that day. was another conviction.
So I caught a ride from some guys that I knew that probably would be up to no good. I had caught a guy with some crack. He knew a guy with some more crack, so he made a phone call.
So we get to the store and this guy asks me to use the phone. At the time I didn't think anything of it, so I gave him my phone.
So I get to the store and I see the vehicle, just like I was told. One guy in the vehicle and then another guy comes out of the store. I'm not sure if he has something to do with it, but I'm going to make sure he has something to do with it.
So I'm coming out the store, and this guy's approaching me talking about he's a cop. Where's the dope? I'm like, what dope? I don't have any dope. I ain't got no dope.
It ain't my dope. How many times have I heard this before? That's what everybody says.
So I had him lock him up. Yeah. How could I be going to jail for some drugs that isn't mine? How is this possible? Trial.
He's going to take it to trial the way that I wrote that report. He's going to take it to trial. Oh, what a waste of my time.
Okay.
Well I wasn't about to plead guilty to something that I know I didn't do.
So I told my story and I got my conviction. and Jamel McGee was sentenced to 10 years in federal prison. Uh So, Jamal, could you share with us what it was like sitting in jail, sitting in prison, knowing you had 10 years? Over your head. That was rough.
It was painful. Mm. I became a different person. I became Very bitter, very angry, I mean. Frustrated.
I can't figure out why I am sitting here. Why am I in prison? I ain't do nothing. Why am I here?
So with that I became unapproachable. You couldn't talk to me. I wouldn't talk to you. It didn't matter who you was. I just didn't have no words for nobody.
And then, if you try to talk to me, that's when the problem came in. I wanted to fight at that point.
So in prison, I'm sitting in prison, I'm just going through the motions. Um I'm acting out. On everything I want to do to Andrew, I'm doing it to. other people.
So hurt people. hurt people.
Okay, so I sit here and Not knowing, not caring, as I was hurting other people because. I was hurt. I felt like I had lost everything. There was nothing else. That matters.
At this point, so my attitude was I don't care.
So Sitting in prison.
Somebody's really rough. I was becoming the person you didn't want to even come across. Um Okay. Then I had awakening like I needed something different. I needed to do something different with my life.
Because Everything I've done in my life. I find myself in these very situations.
So this one day, three years into my sentence, It's a Bible sitting there. on my desk, on my table. It's been there the whole time. Never Looked at it, gave my life over to Christ at age 18, then again at 21, because at 18 I did it for my mom, because I wanted her off my back.
So at age 21, I really got the grasp of I need a relationship with Jesus myself.
So I did that, but this time when I went to jail, I was like, you know what, I'm not going to lean on God for this because I did that all my other times. This is clear. It's in black and white. I should be able to just present this or say this, and I can get out of here. That wasn't the case.
I had no voice. Nothing I said mattered at all. Period. Um so I'm still sitting here frustrated, man.
So the Bible's sitting here on my table. I grabbed the Bible. Today I just said, you know, I'm going to read the Bible today. Grabbed the Bible, started the first five verses in Genesis, and then my mind just went blank, and I was just. Hit with this message of let it go, let it go, let it go.
And If y'all are familiar with this time, Frozen was not out yet, so I have I had no idea where this song was cut where what is thought this words where they was coming from. And I wrestle with that like No, this was done to me. Like this is my hurt like I need to avenge that. I need to take care of that. I want to put my hands on him.
I want to be the one to say I took care of that.
So that was my goal for whenever I got home. was defy him and hurt him. That was my goal. It didn't matter when. I was going to do it.
So After battling with these thoughts, I'm getting headaches trying to block it out.
Okay, because I don't want to hear them. I'm trying to put something else in my head to get this thought out of my head.
So later on I go out. And walk on the yard, and I'm walking around in a circle, and I just begin to reflect on my life. You know what I'm saying, as a whole, as far as I can remember. And I quickly realized that. every situation.
I had a choice. Before It even happened. I had a choice. But I chose the more convenient, easy way every time. which led me to foster care.
juvenile, the links, the boys' homes, the prisons. The jails. My decisions. Lead me there.
So I'm like, you know what, God? It's your way. I'm tired of being in my way. I'm tired of this. My way hasn't worked.
All these years.
So I need something different.
So I kept walking on the track. And I'm just like, you know what? I got to change. I got to change my life. I got a sign.
I want to see him. I want to be able to raise him. I want to be a part of his life.
So I got to do something different with mine.
So I get back to my cell and I prayed before I went to sleep. And I was like, you know what, God, I want to wake up tomorrow as if I'm at home.
So I want to live every day. after this as if I'm at home.
So I got up that morning. My first thing to do was speak to somebody, which was very hard for me to do. And I came out and I was just like, all right, hey. First person I saw, hey, how you doing? They looking at me like This dude is crazy, who is this?
Like But I didn't care at that point what nobody thought. Because that's how I was going to go through with this. I'm going to adapt this change into my life. I'm going to do something different. And Boom.
I started building more relationships, started talking to people. You know, people was getting to know me, and then they was asking me questions like, man, what was so messed up with you? all that many months and years ago. I wouldn't talk about that part because Everybody that goes to prison says they're Innocent, yes.
So I didn't want to be a part of that.
So I was like, nope. Just brush that part off.
So This one is day, I go to work this one morning and The um The people were calling me as sure as I got to work. And I'm like My attitude was still kind of jacked up, so I'm like, if you want me, you gotta come get me.
So I got off work, and when I got to the unit, guy was at the door. I was like, hey, you know what? They've been calling you all day. You should probably go see what they want. First thing I thought of, like, man, I'm probably finna go to the hole.
Now for some stuff that I did previously. And um I was like, well, time to face the music. It is what it is. And you're listening to Trammell McGee tell his story. thrown in prison for a crime he didn't commit, set up by an officer Andrew Collins.
He tries doing it one way, the hard way. filled with anger and bitterness. And then one day he said, I had an awakening. I needed to do something different in my life. Their story continues A crooked cop, an innocent man, and an unlikely journey of forgiveness and friendship.
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So he decided, well, to do something different with his life. He decided to follow God. Here again. Is Jamel And Andrew.
So I go. to the council office and he was like Hey, where would you go if you was released today, tomorrow or six months from now? And I'm like, hmm. Part of my grandma's house. She's like, I need an address.
Gave him the address and he was like, Well, you got 15 minutes to leave. And I was like I can leave out your office right now. I didn't actually come in here. And he was like, no. The fax machine beeped and he handed me the paper.
And it was a letter from the judge saying my conviction was overturned, and I had to leave the premises immediately. Me letting that anger, that frustration go. open the door for me to go.
So, there were some things going on with my life at that time. I had given my life to Christ at age seven in the back of a church. My uncle, who's only three years older than me, led me to the Lord. I just didn't understand what the heck it meant. Thank you, Jesus.
So I went about my business as a high schooler, as a teenager, as a police officer. The more I was a police officer, the more wrong things I did, the more wrong things I did, the less I felt bad about them. It's a funny thing about integrity like that, the more you do the wrong things, the less you feel like it's wrong.
So February I get caught with crack heroin and marijuana in my office. And in one day, my life crumbled. All the money that I was making, legally and illegally, gone. Friends that I had built, friends who I thought would be there for a lifetime. Nobody knows a police officer like a police officer.
Y'all are my boy is gone because they were worried about their careers. Rightly so. My family having to see my wife's face when I was trying to explain to her that I just lost my job. The day before, I was top cop in the county. I was a big deal, especially in my own mind.
And in a day it was gone.
So I went on a three-day journey. Day one got caught, day two thought about suicide. There's no way I can get out of this. Day three. went and saw a pastor.
Because on day two, my wife came home from work and saw that I was depressed and said, You need to go talk to that pastor that you've been going to. Because, see, that whole being a Christian thing as a youth, God wouldn't leave me alone.
So I called that pastor up and I said, I got to talk to you. He said, Yeah, you do. I've seen the news.
So I sit down with him and I tell him I confessed everything. It felt so good to get it out of me. To finally admit what I had done wrong. And he listened patiently and he said, whoo. Oh boy, you're in trouble.
Okay.
I remember thinking like You, sir, are a terrible counselor. Like, I know I'm in trouble. What do I do now? And he said, where are you at with Jesus? I'm thinking what I just told you where I'm at with Jesus.
I am a terrible person, man. I don't deserve him. And he said, none of us do. That's the beauty of grace. God's rich is at Christ's expense.
He paid it, you don't have to. He said, Andrew, you accepted Jesus as your Savior. You've accepted the whole time that he saved you from your sins, but you've never let him be your Lord. Do you want that lordship? I said, I do, man.
I do. This is my lordship, 25 years old, in your office, crying, thinking about suicide. He said, let's pray.
So we knelt down there in his office, and he prayed because I felt like if I talked to God, he'd strike me dead right there. I still couldn't wrap my mind around grace. And he prayed for me that God would become, that Jesus would become my Lord. We said amen. I was bawling and I said, What do I do next, man?
I'm a man. There's like a list. There's got to be a list of things I can do because that's how men operate. List, give me a list, and I'll check off the boxes. He said, Read your Bible.
That's it. Get to know your Lord. I was like, I don't know if you ever read that thing, Pastor, but it's kinda boring. He's like, no, man, God did something in you today. He gave me a Bible that was a little easier to read for me from what I grew up in.
And I started reading. I was blown away at all the little bombs that were going off in my soul about Jesus dealing with people that were just as jacked up or even worse than me. And the longer I was away from police work, the less I felt bad I got caught, and the more I felt bad for what I had done. It's a difference, y'all. Come on.
So I went to the FBI and I said, Look, I want to right my wrongs. There's some things that need to be reconciled.
So I sat down, they put a stack of reports in front of me, and they said, We need you to look through all these reports, and we need you to tell us which ones are bad. Highlight the ones that are bad. And I said, Honestly, out of these 200 cases, it'd be easier to highlight the ones that are good. My corruption ran deep. And I started working it out one case at a time, one case at a time, one case at a time.
And one of those cases was Jamal McGee. I opened it up and I said that's a bad case. It's a bad case.
So, because I gave my life to the Lord and because I did the right things, all my problems went away, and I've never had another problem since then. No, that's not what happened. I still had to go to prison, y'all.
So, so January 09, I plead guilty. I go to jail. February 09, Jamel gets out. It's like. Tag team, I'm in, you're out.
Switch. Yeah. But the story doesn't stop there. 2010, August, I get out. I'm passionate about Benton Harbor.
I feel like God's calling me back to the community.
So I reached out to a pastor of a local church up there, and he says, We're having this thing in August of 11. Called Hoops, Hip Hop, and Hot Dogs, H3. Outreach event. We want you to be part of it.
So I said, I want to be a part of that.
So I'm standing in Broadway Park, like, okay, where are the people that I need to be reconciled with? Bring them, Lord. And then all of a sudden I see this man coming at me. Like. He wasn't he was coming at me.
He wasn't running, but he was coming at me. And he reaches out his hand, and it looked like he wanted to shake my hand. I'm thinking, oh, cool, reconciliation. He said, You remember my name? And then he squeezed extremely tightly.
And I said, Jamal McGee, and he squeezed even harder. And I was like, I got the answer right. And I don't know, y'all can, he's got big hands. He ain't letting go if you don't want to let go. And he looks down at his son and he said, I want you to tell my son why he missed out on all them years of his daddy's life.
I wished he'd have hit me. Ita hurt worse, or it'll hurt less. I said, look man, there's nothing I can do. To make up for what I did, but I'm sorry. I offer you my apology.
He didn't say anything. I could see the little muscle in his jaw clenching. I said, You know what? I got my daughter here at the park, too. I know, hey, you know what?
Maybe this will help. I know what it's like to be away from my daughter, too, because I spent 18 months in prison. And he said, I don't give a what you had to go through. And I was like, that was the wrong thing to say. I was glad he could speak, but then I was like, oh shoot.
Because what I did is I took everything away that I had just said. I just made all these apologies and then I just basically took it right away. That's basically saying, yes, there's a problem, but everybody goes through problems, so it doesn't really matter that much. I'm about to get on a tangent. Jamel, what was that day like for you in the park?
I call that the test because that day was. It was a test. I got out. I got to meet my son. for the first time, um And he wanted to go to this park.
He's seen a lot of people standing out there. I'm an introverted person, so that was not gonna happen for me.
So I'm like, uh-uh. And he was like, Yeah, I want to go over there.
So I didn't want to disappoint him.
So I'm like, all right, come on, let's go. And I said to myself, I'm gonna just stay on the sidewalk and let him run through the park. Walking down the sidewalk, I'm like, I thought I was seeing Andrew. And up under the pavilion, I'm like, no, that can't be him. Not in Broadway Park.
Not at this park. This park usually don't end well when it's a lot of people out here. And I know they just can't be him right there. And he turned around, and I'm like, yeah, that's him. In my mind, the first thing that popped up was Kiddo.
And you've been listening to Andrew Collins and Jamal Magee. Tell the story. Of how their lives intersected, and my goodness. The test. is what Jamil called it.
when we come back. Their story continues. A crooked cop, an innocent man, and an unlikely journey of forgiveness and friendship. Here on Our American Stories. This is Rob Gronkowski from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jules.
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who had kept Jamel from seeing him. For most of those three years, Jamel writes in his book, Convicted, I promised myself that if I ever saw this cop again, I was going to kill him. I intended to keep that promise. Here's Jamel and Andrew picking up with the moment the two saw each other for the first time in a park. Back home.
Here's Jamil. In my mind, the first thing that popped up was Get 'em.
Okay.
Kidding.
Now he's here, he's in front of you. All that I was feeling in the prison. was back on my shoulders. Everything. And now he's in my face.
And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's time. Let's get him.
So I go over there, beeline, stuck out my hands. I said, hey, you remember me? And he said, yeah. When he said it, I squeezed him. And in my mind, Two things.
It was myself again telling me To hear them. Head on. What are you waiting on? You're taking too long. Hit them.
Then God was like, hey The guy was like, hey. I got this. Get out of my way. I got this. Step out of my way.
Let me avenge this for you. I got this. I can do far more than you ever can.
So I'm like mm Hit 'em. I hear them. Um Yeah. My son was right there, and I was just like. Just explain to my son.
Why I missed out on these years? of his life. Because I'm having a hard time doing it. And I was like. I didn't do something first that the world, everybody thought and knew that I probably was going to do anyway.
I didn't do it. And I let him go. And I walked away. And each step I walked away, I felt lighter. I felt better.
Me too. And. The closer I got to the curve, I began to think. Man, that's over with. I'm lead that to God where it was supposed to be.
I can't do nothing about it anyway. Forget it. I'll never see him again anyway. There you go. I still see him.
But after that, I saw him every day. I could leave the store or be walking down the street or riding down the street on my bike, and I would see him. everywhere I went and I'm like Man, God, was I supposed to do something to him? Like, I don't know what was Why am I seeing them so much? And I found that out later, four years.
Yeah. Yeah, so I'll pick back up. And I'm going to basically, we're going to give you five years, four years, whatever it was, four years of history in nine minutes and 46 seconds. Ready? Strap in your seatbelts.
So I start working for this place called the Mosaic CCDA, Christian Community Development Association. It has three social enterprises: a cafe, a resale store, and a full-scale lawn care company. Cafe Mosaic, if you all have ever been there, downtown Benton Harbor, great place to go get a coffee.
So I'm working there as the cafe manager in Benton Harbor, having reconciliation stories with people, feeling like God has called me there. This is great. This is awesome. There's another part of the program called Jobs for Life. Where people from the community, maybe they've got felonies on their record, maybe they've never had a job before and they need a little bit of hand up.
They don't need a hand out, they need a hand up because they want to do something with their life. They graduate jobs for life, and then they either get absorbed into one of our social enterprises or they went out and got jobs with community people that we had made contact with. Everybody in Jobs for Life, every student, ended up with a mentor. Anybody putting two and two together yet? One day, Miss Princella comes down because she runs Josh for life.
She says, Hey, there's this guy in my class called Zuki. Do you know Zuki? I want to introduce you guys to my friend Zuki. My nickname. I said, no, I know the street name.
I've heard it, but I don't think I know him personally. Don't think we ever met. Would you be his mentor? God has laid it on my heart that you should be his mentor. It's not.
Uh God's funny, right?
So I say, you know my story, Miss P. You know what I've done in this city. I don't know if I've affected his family. Why don't you go ask him what he thinks about it?
So, Jamel, in two minutes or less, what did that conversation sound like? Yeah. It was like she came over and was I was sitting in class. Everybody had their mentor. And she was like, Yeah, we finally got your mentor.
She was like, Yeah, God has laid it on my heart for you two guys to be mentored, mentee. And I don't know if you guys had any history together, but Um Yeah, I think you guys should be mentally. I'm like, okay, get on with it. Who is it? And she's like, Andrew Collins.
And I'm like, no. No way. There's no way I'm doing that. And she was like, Okay, fine, we'll get you somebody else. And I'm like, Wait a minute, Miss P.
That was my decision. Let me pray on that real fast. Because I don't want no more of my decisions to affect my life. This was. My decision.
So I want it to be God's decision.
So I prayed and I opened my eyes and there was a book on my desk and there was two figures. on a um mountain that was written in words. and it was one pulling the other one up. I was like, all right, guy, you got it.
So It's evident this is what you want, this is the path. You want me to take I'm going to take it.
So he comes walking through the cafe doors. I'm like, an hour and a half later, hey, Jamel, come on, have a seat.
So we sit down. I say, hey, I used to be a police officer in City of Benton Harbor. I did some awful things. If I've ever harmed you or your family, can you let me know? I'd like to apologize for it.
And he's smiling at me the whole time. I'm like, what is this dude smiling at? This ain't funny. I'm trying to be serious. And I said, so once I got done with my little spiel, I said, look, man, what's so funny?
And he just shook his head. He said, man, we already had this talk. I said, we did. He said, yeah, Broadway Park.
Okay.
And I was instantly flashed back to that moment in the park, and I was like, oh, shoot. Because I'm a Christian now. And I just went to apologizing, dude. I am so sorry. I felt like God gave me a second chance.
I'm so sorry. He said, I know, and he was like, offended, I know. I said, dude, there's got to be something I can do. He's like, no, no, no, it's over. It's over.
You were sorry then, and I trusted that, and I know you are now. You don't have to say it anymore. It's forgiven, it's done. Mm-hmm. I was like, dude, can we do this mentor thing?
He said, I think God wants us to. I think God set this up. I said, man, this is blowing my mind, dude. Like, four minutes ago, I'm making chocolate chip cookies. And now, this, like, this is this.
Can we pray? He's like, let's pray.
So we bowed our heads right there and we prayed that God would bless this friendship, that God would make basically beauty for ashes. That we give to him our ashes, he gives us back a crown of beauty. And we prayed that. And he got up. We said amen.
He got up and walked out because he had an appointment to get to. And I went back and cried like a child because I felt forgiven. And then we were meeting every week, and I was like, yo, bro, we'd need an employee in the cafe, and you need a job. Are you do you need a job? He's like, Yeah, I need a job.
You know I need a job. I said, well, how about this? Because what if I hire you, or what if we hire you, and you'd be. Are you a good worker? Because if I've got to write you up.
Things are already tense enough, you know. Like, ah, and he did that. He just smiled at me. This dude smiled. It's like, it breaks down all bored.
He's like, nah, man, no, I got you. I got you. And he started working. He was the best worker I had ever seen. I worked so hard.
I'd never seen somebody work so hard in that cafe.
So every day I say thank you, Jamel. Thank you so much for putting your all into this. And this is amazing. Thank you. Do you want to hit me?
He'd be like, what? I'd be like, I just want to check. I just want to make sure. Because I don't want to be at the cash register someday and then just get your big O. I want to make sure I know it's coming if it's coming.
And he's like, no, bro, no. We're good. And now it's like every three or four months I'll ask him while we're on a plane or something, hey, we still good? Yeah, we're good? All right.
And listen, y'all, we're finding out some stuff about reconciliation as we walk this thing out. Because I don't know if y'all notice it or not, but I'm white. I mean, I'm a little darker skinned than most, but I am white. and he's black. We get this.
We get that this speaks to our nation right now. And we don't think we have all the answers, but we think we have a piece of it. And the peace we think that we're holding on to right now is reconciliation. We met a woman who came down front and said, Look, guys, I just need you to help me pray because I just need to forgive my mom. She hurt me so bad 18 years ago.
And I'm understanding that if I'm starting to treat my child the way she was treating me because I'm holding on to this. And we were like, yeah, yeah, where's she at? Bring her down. Let's get her down here. We'll all pray together.
She's been dead for 18 years. She was holding on, harboring that unforgiveness for 18 years. And the person couldn't do anything about it.
So apology, forgiveness. But that's only two pieces. For reconciliation, you gotta come together. The more I get to know this man, the more I love him as an individual, the more I love him as a person. Not as a black man, but as a man.
And a terrific job on the production and storytelling by Craig Hangler. And a special thanks to Andrew Collins. and Jamel McGee for sharing their remarkable journey. and also a special thanks to Torres Montgomery. for sharing the audio of this remarkable story.
And what a story indeed about big things like forgiveness. and reconciliation. And what a stud Jamel is. What a man. The story of so much here, about God, about faith, about forgiveness, and ultimately about racial reconciliation and real human reconciliation.
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