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This is Lee Habib, and this is Our American Stories, the show where America is the star. and the American people. Did you know that the east and west parts of our country have two entirely different approaches to policing? Here to tell that story is former LAPD Sergeant Bob Alinez. the officer who fingerprinted the hands of serial killer Richard Ramirez, otherwise known as the Night Stalker.
Let's take a listen. I was working in West LA in the Brentwood area, and actually a few blocks from where OJ actually lived off of Rockingham. That's right i in a very affluent area of LA and pretty large mansions and homes.
So It was around uh two or three in the morning and on our radio frequency the other officers contacted us and says, Hey, come on back and back us up. We see some suspicious vehicle. And they observed this car. It was a 74 Ford Penso, and it was pretty much a jalapen at that time.
So Rich Ramirez was driving down the street and he it looked like he was pulling into a driveway. He would look at it, back up, go to another residence.
So he was casing the the homes. and we pulled him over. Yeah we order him out of the car. He's cooperating with us and he looks a mess. And so that's the edge of law enforcement, and that's where you have to decide what you want police officers to do.
Do you want them to wait until a crime has occurred and then apprehend the person? Or do you want them to do what we do and be proactive and stop these guys? You guys are asleep at night. And you you don't want to be murdered in the middle of the night. And so I would expect people would want their police officers in their neighborhood to be proactive and figure out what's going on, what is this guy doing in the neighborhood.
And at the very least, if nothing happened, we would chase him out.
So that comes up to the concept of policing, and there's two concepts. One, when policing started in uh the eighteen twenties, it was by a guy named Sir Robert Peel, P E E L. And he designed policing in London.
Now we've become a modern city. How do we regulate and control? Just massive amount of people in this little Area.
So he came up with this idea of reactive policing.
So you have a police officer that is assigned to a footbeat, and it's one or two blocks in distance, and he would walk up and down. He becomes familiar with the neighborhood or with the businesses. And then when a crime occurs, You summon the police officer, he would come over and he would either stop a crime that's occurring, or if it did occur, Then they would get a hold of the detectives at Scotland Yard, and Scotland Yard would come out. Take over the crime scene, and then the police officer would continue walking up and down the speech. That's called reactive policing.
you react to a crime that just occurred.
So, in the east coast of our country, that is the system that we have.
So, in New York, you have. An insane number of people, you know, I think right now there's like 46,000. police officers. Because it's very labor-intensive, and that Philadelphia, Boston, all of those guys have that concept. As we started developing our country and going to the West, we started into proactive policing, and that's where you see Dodge City and Tombstone, and you see the White Herbs and all those guys.
We know that we have criminals coming into the town. They're escaping the East Coast, and so now they're coming into the West. You've got all these bandits coming in.
So, we're not going to wait for them to commit a crime. We know what they're doing.
So, now that's proactive policing. We're going to have the white herbs go out there, confront these guys, stop them, kick them out of town, and get rid of them. That's what it is. And so, Los Angeles was built on proactive policing. And so the difference is that when I was a police officer in the 80s, we had 6,400 police officers.
And at the time that I made that arrest in 1984, Chicago had uh seventeen thousand police officers, New York had twenty six thousand, but When you look at the FBI crime stats, LEP arrested 100,000 people more a year than New York did. And so how do you do that? We have six thousand four hundred officers versus twenty six thousand. And how does that happen? And that's because we're proactive.
We're doing what we did that night with the Nine Stocker. We see something, we're going to be proactive, we're going to find out what's going on there. And in this case, we made an arrest. In New York, they would just let them drive by and just wait until something happened or they hear a window break and maybe respond. And that's reactive.
So, those are the two concepts in law enforcement. And we see a change in law enforcement when Willie Williams was hired from Philadelphia. That was right after Chief Joe Case.
So, our city managers decided that maybe we should start doing the reactive policing. And since then, it's been this long struggle. to actually today. I'm reading in the paper where the city council is looking into removing the pretext stops. Pretext means I see that broken taillight.
I'm going to use that as a reason to stop investigating and find out what's going on. And I think that the proactive policing is the way to go. Especially now when we've got all these illegals that have come through, we have no idea who they are. But they're coming from countries, third world countries, that hate us. And so I think that reactive policing is not going to work, proactive policing will.
So that's the whole thing about Rich Ramiers and You know, for me, it's a lesson on policing. And, you know, what do you want the police officers to do? And when they do, Do something like we did, are they going to be vilified? And that's where the officers are today. They're not doing proactive policing because now they're accused of being racist.
Like this judge, you know, he's accusing us of basically pulling over because he's. Oh, that was the other thing he said. If Richard Ramirez got into an argument with his wife or girlfriend and he decided to get in the car and blow off steam, and he should be able to drive anywhere in the city and not get stopped by the police just because he's in a white neighborhood. That was his scenario that he gave us at that time. Theoretically, yeah, you're right, but You're going to pull into a neighborhood and you're going to drive around and stop and pull into a driver, get out.
So that's where you're going to rely on professional guys like me. and my partners to determine the difference between somebody that's despawning and blowing off steam and somebody that looks like he's gonna break into a house. and we should have that ability to make that investigative stop. Otherwise he would have killed somebody in Brentwood. And a terrific job on the editing and storytelling by our own Greg Hengler.
And a special thanks to LAPD Sergeant Bob Alinas. The story of Two different styles of policing East and West Coast here on Our American Story. Here at Our American Stories, we bring you inspiring stories of history, sports, business, faith, and love. Stories from a great and beautiful country that need to be told. But we can't do it without you.
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He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus, and we had like three hours. It was really cool. He literally just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing?
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