Matt Slick Live

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And that way we know that that is what it is for. All right. So I was getting into today X Twitter and learning how to use it because I want to start doing some teaching things, live things there as well.

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I'm just now going to start activating and getting going and things like that. So we'll see how that goes. And Karm, I don't know how many we have in Karm. We have lots, lots on the Karm Twitter account.

So we're feeding to that as well. So not that big a deal, but there you go. And like I said, if you want to give me a call, the number is easy. Just dial 877-207-2276. And then you can email me as well. Info at Karm.org.

Info at Karm.org. And we can get to your stuff. Now what I often will do is I'm going to get to the, on Fridays, because Fridays are just kind of slow. And I'm going to get to some of the radio comments, radio questions that we've got. I'll just jump right in. And all right, let me see if I've done this or not.

Oh yeah, I did a little bit of this one yesterday. I talked about the issue of dispensationalism and covenantalism. I'm a covenantalist, but I'm an oddball because I'm reformed in my theology, prefer contemporary worship, don't like liturgy in churches, believe in the charismatic gifts, and also affirm infant baptism, but not for salvation, but as a continued covenant sign.

So because of all of that, oh, and I'm all millennial, and I'm a pessimistic all millennialist. So because of that, I don't fit anybody's, I don't know, denomination or personal preferences or whatever it is. I just don't fit. And that's okay.

You know, it's all right. I'm not there to please them. I'm there to talk as much as I can about the things of God. And another thing that I do, what I say, and I irk people, not on purpose, but I irk people is on baptism. And this is causing a bit of a problem in a fun way, in a good way, with some of my acquaintances, let's just say, online.

So I can talk about all kinds of stuff. There's nobody waiting right now to get into things, but dispensationalism and stuff that goes along with it and the issue of covenant, you know, I'm a covenantalist. And that's another thing, is a lot of churches hold to dispensationalism. Now, if you want to be a speaker in a denomination or be invited to speak in different places, you need to fit that mold. And if you don't fit that mold, they're not going to have you in, for the most part.

That's how it works. I don't fit anybody's mold. I don't. You know, I believe that Jesus was sprinkled at his baptism, for example. I believe in all the charismatic gifts for today.

I believe that it's okay to baptize an infant, but not for salvation, but as a continuing covenant work of God and his people. And I'm all millennial, which means no future literal 1,000-year reign of Christ, but that it's reigning now. And again, I've got reasons for that. I could be in a room, you know, all these people, and talk about each one, and you hear a door close. There's another one.

There's another door closed. And maybe that's why I spend all my time on the web than going to conferences, because I don't think they want to clean up my mess and stuff like that. So, yeah, I hold to stuff and teach stuff like that, and I'm definitely not dispensational. And a lot of churches, I'm curious, you know, I don't know. I wonder what the percentage is of, I'm going to do this.

Let's see, what is the percentage of dispensational churches and covenant churches in Protestantism? I'm doing this on ChatGPT to see what it does. I'm just curious. It's a big question. I don't know if it's going to come up with anything and just see what it says. So, oh, it's not really telling me.

Just give me some other information. Yeah, dispensationalism has a broader adherence among American Protestants, where covenant theology is prevalent among Reformed denominations. That makes me want to work to get dispensationalism lessened and covenant increased. And there's a reason. Is it worth really doing all that?

I think so. There's a basic reason. The basic reason is that as simple as covenant is based on God's word, dispensation is based on, their view is God's interactions with man, different kinds, different ways, different times. But covenant is God's binding of himself.

And to me, that makes more sense. It just does, because I see how God works covenantally. I see how the Trinity and the inter-Trinitarian communion, it just makes more sense to say that God binds himself within the Trinity by his word and his agreement, the eternal covenant, to redeem people. And that your yes be yes, your no be no covenant. So that kind of stuff is one of the underlying principles that I hold to that I believe is really important when doing theology. Dispensationalism got its roots, I believe it was in the Ryrie Study Bible. And it became a very popular Bible at the turn of the century in the 1900s. And so, from what I understand, most people affirm to that.

Let's see, it says here, evangelicals constitute about 25% of the U.S. population, and it's reasonable to estimate 15 to 20% of American Protestants may align with dispensational theology. It's just a quick overview. So I don't know.

Pew Research would be the place to go to find out about that. Well, anyway, that's just some of the stuff I'm thinking about and working on and stuff like that. Like I said, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. There's a file open.

We've got nobody waiting. I think maybe what I might do is see if I can irritate people. I have to admit that this is going to be a little irritating for people, but I'm going to do something very simple and show them some stuff. Check this out. It's out of the scriptures. It says, so you have anointed my head with oil.

Let's see. And you have anointed you with oil. Anoint yourself with oil. So people are anointed with oil in one of the last verses here listed. God anointed him with the Holy Spirit, and then Mary anointed the Lord with ointment, and Martha kissed Jesus' feet and anointed them with perfume. And in Hebrews 9.22, it says all things are cleansed with blood. You'll be filled with the Holy Spirit. There's lots of stuff where when you're anointed with oil, the altar can have blood sprinkled on it, so the altar is anointed with blood, things like that. The reason I bring this up is because when you find the verb and then the with and then something, you find that what happens is that the element is applied to whatever it is, the object.

So, for example, check this out. Then you shall bring Aaron and his sons to the doorway of the tent of meeting and wash them with water. Now, notice what this says in Exodus 29, verse 4. You bring them to the doorway of the tent. That means they are standing up, and they might be sitting down when they do this, but they're standing up at the tent of meeting, and it will be washed with water. That means the water is applied to them. It doesn't mean they take all their clothes off and they get in the water. And Exodus 30, verse 20. So when they enter the tent of meeting, they shall wash with water. Now, what's interesting is John the Baptist says, I baptize you with water, and he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

What does it mean? I have a theory about looking at Scripture. I believe that the best interpreter of Scripture is Scripture. I also believe that God is so smart, so wonderful, that every word, every phrase is there for a reason, and that if we were to look at how God, through the prophets and the apostles, uses words and terms, I believe if people did that, their theology would change.

I do. I believe that it would change. In Acts 1-5, Jesus says, For John baptized with water, but you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is always poured on someone. That's how the Holy Spirit is prophesied is coming, being poured. And so that means the water is applied to the person. So John baptized with water. Does that mean he immersed you with water, but you'll be immersed with the Holy Spirit? That's not how it fits. You see what I'm getting at?

So I start looking at stuff like this, and I'm going, that's interesting. And people say, well, they came up out of the water. When Philip and Ethiopia and Eunuch, they came up out of the water. That means they were both in the water? Yeah. Were they both immersed?

Because they both came up out of the water. And so it's interesting. Also, I don't see any place in the Bible. Look at this. I was just thinking about this last night.

I was in bed thinking about all this. I just did a test. I don't find any place where the Bible says baptized in water. It doesn't say baptized in water. It says baptized.

Let me do this and make sure to verify. Baptized in water. And no, it never says baptized in water or baptized in water.

It's always baptized with water. Hey, I hope you brought that going. That's interesting. We'll be back after the break with Steve from Utah. If you want to give me a call, we have three open lines 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. Steve from Utah. Steve, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. How are you? I'm okay, man. Hanging in there. Just irritating people with some comments.

Yeah, me too. So I have a question that kind of weighs on me, because I struggle with the age of the universe and things like that. So my question is, is if God has been there from eternity past to eternity future, eternity past, based on science and secular science, is, in essence, 14 billion years. I mean, that's about the only way to measure eternity.

I mean, that's a long time. So my question is, is if God's been there since eternity past, what was going on from eternity past up until about 6,000 to 10,000 years ago when he supposedly created the universe? He was fellowshipping in the Trinity, because the Trinity is self-sufficient and complete in all that is. God does not need anything external to him for completeness in his nature, essence, and being. So there was an eternal fellowship in a parakeritic relationship, the mutual indwelling of the persons and the single divine essence of God. And so that was eternal.

And then at one point, God decided to create the universe and bring us into existence to extend that fellowship and love that he has within the Trinity to us. So what you're saying is, eternity past, or 14 billion years, God lives outside of time, correct? We don't know what that means. We don't know what outside of time means. People tell me that all the time. He lives outside of time. Well, what does it mean to live outside of time?

We don't know. Just don't say it, that's all. Yeah, I just, I consider myself a Christian, and I believe in everything that's in the Bible. It's just, that one I struggle with. And, you know, I've always been into science, and I kind of overthink things sometimes. So, yeah, I guess what I'm thinking is where, and this is maybe logical or illogical, is that 14 billion years is probably the best way to measure eternity. Well, yeah, 14 billion years is nothing. And I don't believe the universe is 14 billion years.

Yeah, I know that. But there are reasons, and there are problems with the age of the universe being that old. The flatness problem, horizon problem, monopole problem. There's the galaxy arrangements, the galaxy formation. James Webb telescope is really messing with the cosmological theories. They're finding full-formed galaxies way back at the beginning. There's a new theory coming out.

They're trying to explain stuff. There's a new theory coming out that everything was brought into existence simultaneously, that all the galaxies existed simultaneously. That's one of the theories, or dispositing.

It's because some of the evidence seems to support that. Then there's the issue of everything is expanding everywhere. And when you have an accelerated expansion rate, there's also that related with the speed of light, which apparently is slowing down.

And so there's some debate about that, I'm going to tell you. But there's some evidence out there that the speed of light is slowing down. If it is, then the age of the universe would be drastically affected by that because of the radiometric dating methodologies on Earth. And we don't have that stuff from distant galaxies to be able to date things radiometrically. And radiometric dating methods give wildly different dates. There's a whole host of problems you don't hear about when they'll do a PBS special or a National Geographic special on the age of the universe.

It's 14.8 billion years old. They don't go through and say, but here's a list of the problems that work against that. They don't give you an hour's worth, which they could easily do.

They just don't do that. So don't buy into what the scientific community is saying as though it's true. And then we have the issue of distance, too. And basically how distance is determined is through redshifting and what's called parallax effect. And so there's some issues there. And then there's gravitational lens bending of light and some issues that we try and work into stuff. It's just in dark matter and dark energy, and there's a lot of issues there.

Yeah, yeah, I understand that. So the other day you were talking about paper and the age of some of the paper, how they can determine the age of it. Is there a different form of dating they do with that than they do with all the different kinds of radiometric dating?

Sure. See, carbon-14 has a half-life of 5,730 years, I believe it is, which means that a gram of carbon-14 in 5,730 years will just disappear. 573, I think is what it is, will become half a gram just by the energy that's released and the dissipation of its matter or its mass. And so carbon-14 is only accumulated in a biological, in a life form, through its contact in the environment and respiration, eating, and things like this. And so when an organism dies, whether it be plant or animal, the increase of carbon-14 in that life stops. That's not exactly true all the time, but like 98% of the time that's exactly what it is.

And there's some slight exceptions, but they're very, very rare and under certain conditions which are uncommon. But at any rate, so paper is dead plant material. So they can go in and they can take samples of it and pretty accurately directly radiodate it, carbon-14 dating. So that's what's there. And it's only good to about 93,000 years.

The other systems, radiometric, do isotope dating methods and they use something other than carbon-14. They might, what are some of the things that they use? Oh, I had it at the tip of my tongue. Yeah, I know there are several different ways of doing it and they don't always line up with each other. Right.

And so, yeah, and they're off by millions and millions and sometimes billions of years. There's some real issues, some real problems. Yeah, and I understand all that. I actually really do. And I guess one of the other things I guess I wanted to ask is because I'm fully buy-in to the whole Christ thing and the belief in Christ and all this stuff happened. Good. It's got my buy-in, but I'm a terrible sinner.

But I buy-in to that very well. Hold on, we've got to break. Okay, we've got to break, so hold on. Okay, buddy, we'll get back to you after the break. Okay.

It's a heartbreaker. All right, so hold on. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages then we'll get to Patrick and then Keith after Patrick. We'll be right back, please.

Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Let's get back on with Steve. Hey, Steve, you're back on the air, man.

Hi, Matt. Okay. So I guess what I'm asking, too, is since I have a lot of buy-in on the Bible and a lot of it I've actually learned from you because I do like to listen to you every day. However, I still have an old universe view, an old Earth view. Does that affect my ability to be shamed? No. Because I have that view that I struggle to get over, so that wouldn't affect it.

No, no, no. Your salvation is not dependent on how old the Earth is or how old you believe the Earth is. Nothing in Scripture says that, okay? So you're free to believe in an old Earth if you want.

Now, let me throw some stuff out at you here. There is the issue of relativity, and it's related to gravity and speed. And so when you are moving out from Earth, and I've heard the theories about this. I've not seen the math. I'm good enough for that kind of math. But apparently there's a way to relate the literal six days of creation to a long Earth, a long universe, an older one, by the issue of relativity.

There's some Christian astrophysicists who are working on this or have worked on it, and they've said it's doable as relativity goes. So I don't know, okay? I'm just saying there's lots of stuff out there.

Yeah, yeah. So, well, I appreciate the insight on that. You've always been very logical, in my opinion, and I respect a lot of your views. So I just wanted to throw that out there because it kind of weighs on me a little bit because I have a little bit different view, and I'm working on trying to differentiate that with what I know. What you believe, knowing and believing.

Yes. But, look, this is the thing. Jesus Christ rose from the dead, and you need to believe in that, that he's God in flesh.

You bore our sins and his body on the cross. This is what is critical if you believe the Earth is 6,000 years old or 20,000 years old. Personally, I'm not sure the Earth is only 6,000 years old. I don't have a problem with it being 14,000 or 20,000 or 25,000 years old. It doesn't bother me.

I don't see any necessity for anything younger. Now, some say, well, when you hold to this kind of view, you're inconsistent with the genealogy, and I have responses to that. But I don't believe the Earth is millions of years old.

I certainly don't affirm that. But, you know, okay, there are people, good Christians, who believe the Earth is millions of years old, and they're still good believers, and some who believe it's only 6,000 years old, and they're good believers, but they should not judge each other on these debatable issues. But don't look at science as the end-all.

Look at Scripture. Science is nothing more than a provisionary system used to learn about the physical world. When I say provisionary, what that means is they have a theory until new information comes along and changes that theory. So the old Earth is subject to that kind of change. But here's another thing. If they're going to say the Earth is young, there's a humongous problem, humongous, and that would mean evolution can't be true, because they do not have...

Yes, I got it. There's no transitional process to prove it, or anything like that. But here's the thing. Scientists, if they affirm that the Earth is young, then evolution can't be true, because it requires millions and millions and millions and millions of years. And so if that's the case, and evolution is now falsified, then now they've got to believe in something else.

And they can't have that in their systems of thought, because, well, that would imply the idea of God's existence. And so they are prejudiced against where the actual, where the evidence leads. There's some serious issues here.

There's some position issues as well. Okay. Okay.

Well, hey, I really appreciate your insight, and I will continue to listen to you, and nobody's going to ever make me stop, so... Okay, well, God bless you. God bless you. Thank you. All right, God bless you. Goodbye.

Okay. All right, now let's get to Patrick from North Carolina. Patrick, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, good evening, Matt. How are you doing? I'm doing all right, hanging in there.

What do you got? You know, you were speaking about baptism. In Matthew 28, 19, did Jesus command us to baptize people or to get baptized? He commanded us to baptize them.

Okay. My question then is, majority of the Christians I talk to, none of them do water baptisms. Let me ask you a question. Ask Charlie, has he ever baptized anybody in water? Okay, well, you have a question.

You have a question you want to get to? Well, my question is, in Acts 1, 4, 5, Jesus commands the apostles to wait for the gift my father promised, and he says, for John baptized with water, but in a few days, you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit. Right. And that happened at Pentecost. So, I believe in Matthew 28, 19, Jesus was explaining to the apostles what he's going to do with the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and it had nothing to do with water baptism.

Do you believe that? The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the pouring of the Spirit upon us as prophesied in the book of Joel. Right. The Spirit is poured.

That's what it is. Okay. You know that in Scripture... Patrick, Patrick, ask a question. Ask a question, because, Patrick, we've talked so many times, and I know you deny essentials of the Christian faith, and I know you have many aberrant views, so do you have a specific question? My question is, do you believe... I'm not going to have you try and teach false doctrine.

Do you believe tears pour out of your eyes when you receive the Holy Spirit? Okay, we're done, we're done. Okay. Folks, I just hung up on them.

Patrick here teaches that baptism is crying, that tears of crying is what real baptism is, and denies the Trinity the deed of Christ. I've been talking to him for, I don't know, five or eight years, off and on, different venues. So, you know, it just... So, there you go. Hey, let's get to Keith from Ohio. Keith, welcome.

You're on the air. Oh, I'm very grateful, man. Thank you. I'm blind, I can't see, and so I've been... I apologize. I ran out of time. It's all right.

I see the... I didn't come from a Christian family. Actually, it was torment, but I know that God's real, and I know there's power in God's Word, so I'm praying for... He can discipline and give me discernment, because I know that God, He saves us from His wrath, right? We go to heaven.

That's not what I want to talk about, but He spares us with His pride, right? Things like that. But I want to ask you a question, if you don't mind.

And I'm very grateful for your help. Okay. Yes. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait.

What 12 trees? Okay, I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm asking like this, Stan, because, you know... Okay, let me put it this way. There's a tree of life, and then Adam and Pilate enter back, and there's a flaming sword, the Holy Spirit.

So, okay. But when Jesus comes back, and they see his wounds and their scales come as his eyes, and Abraham, because he's male, and then Isaac, and then so there's a tree, they're like cousins. We haven't heard a better question. We've got the Holy Spirit. We've got to give such a spirit. I'm sorry, what's your question, though?

My question is this. When Jesus comes back, I have to remember these things, because I can't see. That's all right. Okay, thank you for your help, too.

I really appreciate it. But when he comes back, you see, there's going to be a lot of things. There's going to be a lot of things, and it's going to be more like alignment. But the issue is, we have to go through the wrath of God, and the truth is, and I'm getting into too much stuff, but let me just see what the truth is.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. It's hard to understand you, because there's not a good connection. Okay, I'm sorry.

I get kind of scattered. That's okay. I'll tell you. I'm just going to get to the question. Oh, I'm sorry, guys, but I have to remember the truth. Hold on, hold on. We've got a break. Hold on, hold on. Okay, okay. We've got a break, okay. So just to get that question articulated for after the break, and then we'll get back to you. Okay, subscribe. All right.

Hey, folks. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Okay, buddy, welcome back to the show.

We have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Okay, Keith, you're back on the air. I'm sorry, Mr. Matt. I was trying to slow down, but, you know, there's nobody out there to really help. You know, I just want to say I appreciate your help, but doesn't it say when Jesus comes back, he's like the son of David, and, you know, we have to have reign.

We have to be qualified to have that glorified body and do some of God's work, because we're like on the job to impart part of his kingdom. So let me just say this, that, you know, he comes back. He said there's some conditions going to be like, there's going to be like three rivers and like the Kewa Highway from Egypt and the other countries, but he said there's like they're going to eat from the 12 trees of these.

Okay, I'm waiting for you to ask a question, though. That's my question, because how many trees do they eat from in the garden, Adam and Eve? How many trees do they live without, huh? There's lots of trees. The trees are mentioned first in Genesis 1-11, and it says trees, the fruit of the trees. Does it list what specific trees?

There's three trees listed in the garden. I've heard the past. Lately they said, they say the conditions like when Jesus comes back, he's coming back, because it's like the 12 trees.

Wait, wait, wait. I'm not following what you're saying. Let's focus on one one at a time. Because I can't see.

I want to see what you have to say, because I think in Revelations, the question is that they can eat from the trees when he buys them and puts them in the pit. Okay, wait, I'm having so much trouble understanding what you're saying. I don't understand.

What I'd like you to do is just ask me a specific question. Don't explain a bunch of stuff. What does it say when he comes back and they don't get sick? They get to eat the trees from the trees. How many trees? What does it say when he comes back? Okay, hold on.

Are you asking how many trees are mentioned in... Yeah, because I think the past... Hold on, Keith, Keith, Keith. I'm sorry, hold on. I wasn't even done asking for clarification. I just need to understand what you're saying, what you're asking.

Are you asking about how many trees were in the Garden of Eden, or are you asking how many trees are mentioned? Okay, Keith, Keith, we've got to go. So we had to just move along, because he's not letting me finish the questions for clarification, and we needed to do that. We needed to have those questions clarified. What is he asking?

I don't know what's going on there, so I'll just move along. By the way, there are three trees mentioned by name-ish, I'll show you, in the Garden of Eden. The tree of life, the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It doesn't say fig tree, but it does mention fig leaves that come from a fig tree. So we can say there's three trees mentioned. The tree of life, the tree of knowledge, and the fig tree. Now, what's interesting is why. See, this kind of stuff I think is very interesting. What is going on that three trees are mentioned?

I hadn't even thought about that until now. So I can see the tree of life, and I can do searches on that in the book of Revelation. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, I've been thinking a lot about that over the years, but the fig tree is really interesting. Why is it that the fig tree is mentioned?

Here, I'm looking for verses. The fig tree is mentioned in the Gospels. A barren fig tree. So typologically, the fig tree is related to Israel, and it's supposed to bear fruit. I can study some more about this, because it's really interesting what happens, about the fig tree that's cursed, and because it's barren, it's not bearing any fruit, and things like that. So I wonder, in Genesis 3.7, when it says fig tree, or fig leaves, why?

Oh, I had a thought. Israel, I don't know, let me just think this out loud. Israel sought to justify itself before God through its faith and keeping the commandments, and its law. And Paul comes along, Jesus comes along and removes that. Fig leaves, in the Old Testament, in the garden of Adam and Eve, are also a means of covering themselves. Now, what's interesting is justification is a kind of covering. It's something imputed or reckoned to us, or given to us, put upon us. And so we could make the case that Adam and Eve were trying to cleanse themselves, or make themselves look good, or not save themselves, but definitely it was a symbol of their own works that they were using to cover themselves.

The pre-incarnate Christ rejected the work of their own hands and covered it with animal skins. And so I can't help but wonder, the fig tree there and the fig tree related to Israel is similar because they're trying to cover themselves with their own works as well. I don't know, it just got me thinking. It got me thinking about that kind of stuff, and I like thinking about stuff like that. You wonder, what is going on? Maybe some of you out there have some insight into that, but I'm going to have to do some analysis of that. So, there we go.

So I did some research and a break on this issue, actually. The first mention of trees is in Genesis 1-11. That's on the third day, and every tree that is pleasing is food for good. That's in Genesis 2-9. So there's lots of trees that are meant, there's more than three trees, or three types of trees in the Garden of Eden, but only three are named. Two directly named, one indirectly named. The fig tree is indirectly named because it's the fig leaves.

That means they had to get it from a fig tree. So, interesting, interesting, interesting. Also, in Genesis 3-8, there is the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. You see, this is a good example of something.

A lot of times, these kinds of questions cause me to do some homework. They cause me to look up every instance of tree in the Old Testament. I wonder how many times the word tree occurs.

See, give me interest in here. The word tree, the first time it occurs is, let's see, there we go, Genesis 1-11, and that is 6-0-8-6. So now I can see, look at this, 6-8-0-6.

It, what? No, no, can't be right. 6-8, 6-0-8-6, I messed up. 6-0-8-6.

Because what I'm doing is, a lot of people don't know this, 329 results. So, Strong's Concordance is, Strong's did this years and years and years ago and now it's a standard. He took every Hebrew word and every Greek word and he arranged them alphabetically and then assigned numbers to them so that they could then be examined. And so it's just used as Strong's Concordance. There's other systems that have done this, but it's that 6-0-8-6 in the Hebrew here.

That includes cognates of words and things like that. Let's get to DJ from Raleigh, North Carolina. DJ, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, what's up, cool slick? Hey, man, just thinking out loud, just thinking out loud.

So what do you got, buddy? I briefly heard you talking to possibly the most recent caller about the dating, the time that the Earth has been around, the dating of the universe and all that stuff. And something I heard very recently that was very interesting to me, man, and solved that problem in my mind, because I've argued with it in my mind many times in the past.

But I heard a pastor say recently that there was a scientist that started looking into carbon dating and determined that if something is soaked under water for 150 days, it actually comes out looking like it's billions and trillions of years old, and it's really not. And that changed my whole viewpoint on the age of the Earth and the universe. It really did. I mean, it really helped me a lot to hear that. And I just thought I wanted to call in and share it.

Hopefully that other guy would hear that comment I made. Can you provide the documentation for that or track that down? I cannot, because I actually can't remember where I heard it. I listen to a lot of Christian radio, Truth Network, obviously, and I watch a lot of things on the 700 Club, and I just can't remember where I heard it. But I will try to track it down and get back with you. Because it really intrigued me when I found that out. And one other thing I wanted to kind of reiterate to a few different callers that I've called in, especially the giggler guy.

I haven't heard him in a long time. But something that I always struggle with is how is it possible that Jesus never had any sin in his life? And I heard a pastor say one time a while back that because Mother Mary was impregnated by the holy seed of God, and that seed had no condemnation in it because it didn't come from man.

And that changed my whole view of that. I thought Jesus was a teenager and he never sinned. It looks like the sin nature is passed down through the father, not the mother.

No father, therefore no sin nature. That's simple. Exactly, yeah. It changed my whole viewpoint. I don't know.

Through those two different messages I've gotten, it just really gave me like a foundation of belief in the entire Bible, like front to back. And then we have the guy recently that got swallowed by the whale. Have you seen that? It just happened a couple days ago. He's a kayaker. Yeah, he got swallowed.

I haven't heard something. Yeah, and he lived. So it's like I feel like God's given us signs, man. Like all this stuff is real.

It actually happened. There's a guy in the 1800s. There's a guy in the 1800s. There's a guy in the 1800s who was swallowed by a whale. He lived in there, in his stomach for quite a while, actually. And the whale died because it was harpooned. Yes, they have his name and the whole bit. He was bleached white.

Yeah. Well, after I watched that video, it was a news clip. I searched it on YouTube to see the whole video and found another clip of a Jimmy Kimmel show, which I don't watch these guys at night anymore. But I watched that clip and it was another clip of a guy that had gotten swallowed by the whale. And he was actually in the whale for 30 or 40 seconds.

And describe how it felt while the whale was swimming around with him and everything. I thought that was a very interesting video to see. But I don't know how the Democrats feel with the Department of Dozier. Yeah. If you have another minute or two, I was wondering what your views are on traveling to Jordan next spring. Do you think that's safe if they move all the Palestinians there to read Gaza?

We only have like 30 seconds. Jordan is safe. I know the guy who's been leading tours. I've gone with him several times and it's always good. And if anything does change, then the trip is canceled. We don't have to go. But it's a very safe environment. It's like Turkey. I've been to Turkey twice. I feel very comfortable there. I have no problem at all. So I'm looking forward to going to Jordan as well. They love their tourists.

They want that and they treat us well. Well, I might see you there, man. I'm looking forward to it, actually. Anyhow, we're going in November.

And you can check it out by going to 2025jordan.com. I'm already signed up, brother. Good, man. Good. Hey, look, I've got to go because it's a break, man. We're at the end of the show.

There's the music. All right, brother. Okay. God bless. All right. We'll see you.

Hey, folks. There you go. May the Lord bless you. And by His grace, back on air on Monday. And I hope you all have a great weekend. We'll talk to you next week. God bless. Bye.