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Yeah, that's a good little problem. Oh, I know what happened with Rumble. I didn't do my right stuff on Rumble.

I've got so many things I'm going. Let's see if I can fix it while I'm talking. So last night there was a debate, and let's just say that it didn't go well. It didn't go well at all because the guy was just horrible.

He really was. I'm going to fix that Rumble thing during the break so I can focus here. All right, so we're supposed to debate the issue of is Marian intercession in heaven, is it found in the Bible? Well, the answer is no, it's not. And I went and did this debate. So this guy, what he did was he was in control.

There was no moderator. It was on his forum, and I was like, I don't like this. And he was the nicest guy until the debate started. Then he just turned into an aggressive, I don't know how to describe it, aggressive showboating kind of an individual who then started quoting church fathers, and kept saying that's not part of the debate, it's one of the Bible. And we're going to get the emails together and prove this too, that he didn't stick to the debate parameters.

So I've never had this happen before. I've done, I don't know, maybe 100 formal debates, I don't know, a lot. But we have cross-examination.

I have never had this happen before, what happened last night with this Catholic. So he would ask me questions. Of course, he failed to refute my arguments about the Bible and stuff like this. He didn't do well there. He honestly did not.

He was pretty bad. Okay, look at the notes. And so during the discussion, during the cross-examination, what he was supposed to do is he went first, he asked me questions, I just answered the questions. And then he can cross-examine me. So I'm starting to answer the questions, he kept cutting me off. And I said, well, can I finish answering? And he said, I'm not going to let you talk like this, I'm not going to let you.

What? It was ridiculous. And he was very aggressive. He was very rude. And he interrupted constantly when I repeatedly said, please, I just want to finish my sentences. And he went on and on. And he said, when you ask me the questions, then you can cross-examine me, and then we'll see how it goes then.

I'm like, what? And so this went on and on and on for 20 minutes. It got to the point where I almost gave up just trying to talk to him because there I am trying to answer his questions that he kept cutting me off. And I don't know when it happened, but Charlie, a friend of mine, he listened to the debate, and he said that this guy muted me several times. I don't know how many.

I don't know for how long. I don't know what situation. But he said, oh, yeah, he's muted him, unless it was an issue with Charlie's computer. Apparently, because this guy was in control, he muted me several times.

I couldn't answer the way I wanted. And then when we got to, yeah, Laura says I got muted. Tell me how many times.

Type in anything you know about that, Laura. I want to know, because I did not know this until today, that he was muting me. She says at least three times. Wow. So, I mean, that's just unheard of. You just don't do that in a debate. Then when it was my turn to cross-examine him, I just was stymied by the atrocious behavior of this guy. So I would ask him questions, and some of them he would answer directly.

And then what he would do, and a lot of them, is just go off on a tangent. And he would go on and on, and I said, no, no, that's not the question. And he goes, yes, it is. And I said, no, no, no, it's not. And he said, I'm not going to let you control this like this. I'm like, what?

That's not the question. And he would go off and off. And it got to the point, even in that, where I had to just give up and just let him go.

I even said to him, just tell them when you're done talking. Because he was so incredibly rude. He was so bad. It was one of the worst I've been in. I've been in a lot of lately, the past two, three debates I've had, they've been really bad.

The opponents are just horrible. He muttered and told you off, per se, wanting you to listen. Yeah, he did.

You guys can call up and you can give me your feedback on it, too. We had a caller, we'll get to that in a little bit. But this is what happened over and over and over again. And he made logic errors. He made some bad logic errors. And I'm going to tell you about this, too.

Let's see, I'll make a note for myself here to tell you about. He would go to a verse, I'm going to read you one of the verses. This is the kind of stuff he did. And absolutely refused to be corrected.

Absolutely refused. So check this out. Romans 5-8, I mean, Romans. Revelation 5-8. When he had taken the book, the four living creatures, the 24 elders, fell down before the lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. He says, see, they can hear your prayers. I said, it doesn't say they can hear our prayers. I said, this is very symbolic here.

Four living creatures, there's 24 elders, golden bowls, all this, and prayers of the saints. I said, it doesn't say there that they hear them. He goes, that's what it means. And I said, no, it isn't. He goes, yes, it is. I said, but that's not logical. He goes, yes, it is. You don't know how to think.

You don't know this, you don't know that. It was like this. And then I went into, let's see, Revelation 8, let's see if I can find the one, where it says, they were all saying, holy, holy.

I forget where that was. Maybe it was Revelation 16. And he brought this up, let's see if I can find it, because we went all over the place, where he heard a bunch of people saying holy, holy, holy to the Lord, holy, holy, something like that. And they were all singing in one voice.

He heard them all saying this. And maybe someone could find me that verse. I don't remember what that was, where it was. Put it in the text there. But read it. So I said, but it's not what it says there. It says, you're requiring, what he was doing was requiring a certain reading and only a certain reading. And it says, a great multitude heard, John heard a great multitude saying, I think it was holy, holy, Lord, like that. He says, see, they were in different languages and all over and he understood it.

It didn't say that. It just says they were all singing or saying one thing and that they were speaking what they did the way they did. And I said, it's like being in a stadium where you are watching a game and everybody is saying the same thing. And you can hear the entire crowd say this one thing, like, you know, go team, go.

It would be. And I said, this is as good as an explanation for this. And he refused it and said I didn't know how to think, I didn't know what logic was.

Anyway, it just points like this and it was really bad. It really was. And then at one point after the debate was over and he claimed victory. He claimed victory.

Oh, man. And then the people in the chat room with him, they were saying some of the worst stuff about me. And I mean some of the worst, calling me from the devil, I'm from Satan, I'm possessed. Even things I can't even say over the radio, his supporters, Roman Catholic supporters. I mean vitriol and hatred and condemnation. It even got to the point where I said the Bible tells us in 2 Timothy 2, 24-25, it says that the Lord's bond service must not be quarrelsome but be gentle, able to, with gentleness, correcting those who are in opposition. And I said that's what you're supposed to be doing.

How come none of you are doing that? And it was bad. And think, Lord, didn't you get booted or Joanne didn't you get booted? Type it out in what happened to you in the private chat here because some of the people on my side were going in there and they timed her out for making comments that weren't in line with what they wanted her to say.

That's what it was. And they timed her out. They put her on hold until she couldn't say stuff. This group was really bad. And wasn't he the opponent?

Isn't he the one who's in control? Because he muted me and they did some time out stuff. It was just, it was a farce. And he deleted your comments.

And yet the vitriol, hatred, mockery and condemnation and personal insults, they were allowed to flow. Now, this is interesting. It's really interesting to me.

It is. It's a cult mind thing. And he said I didn't have a very good Christology. I actually chuckled because I said, really? I don't have good Christology, huh? And who said this one?

Matt is scum, not even good enough to be rotten fruit. Just stuff like this. In fact, I'm afraid of the Christology thing. Maybe I'll go over. I enjoy this kind of stuff. I do. You know, it's being just, not that I want attention.

It's just, man, they're so bad. So let me get to some of these things. I think Joanne gave me some stuff. That was Sam Shamone who said that, right? About me not being rotten fruit. Matt is really stupid and desperate to ask such a question. Don't know what question it was. What else? Let's see.

What is that one? Don't slip on Matt. Slick. Cross the threshold of hope.

Matt is really desperate. Let's see. What's the other ones here? I'm just picking some of the ones.

She sent me a whole bunch. Let's see. That doesn't really say much in that one. I'm just picking some random ones. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see.

Matt is scum. The debate proved it from Sam Shamone. These people are just full of hate. It's interesting.

I've noticed more hate groups coming up and more just hate-filled stuff. It's pretty amazing. I get a kick out of it because it doesn't bother me. Note the idiot just admitted the Deuter Chronicles are part of the Septuagint during Christ's time and Christ endorsed it. No, he did not. They don't understand what I was saying. In fact, get this.

When I had a debate with Sam Shamone, I don't know, a year or so ago, two years ago, whatever it was, he brought up Colossians 1-20 to refute the limit atonement. I'll tell you what happened afterwards and what he said. It was just amazing how bad it was. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. I'll just say this one thing that was kind of interesting. There are people who are just vitriolic and full of hate.

I'm seeing more and more of this. Here are some of the things that were said about me in the debate and some of the chat. They never repented. They never said... It wasn't showing God in it. I'm going to explain this. Sam Shamone says, Matt, you truly are a low-life joke.

Matt Slick, that's why you're stupid and dishonest. You're God's decree. Calvinist, pagan, tsk, tsk. Don't be mad at what your fake God decreed for Catholics to do.

Mocking the things of God and stuff. Now, okay, I'm going to show you something here. I'm going to go to... Not Ephesians. Yeah, Ephesians.

Oh, I forgot to tell you this. I had a debate with this guy named Sam Shamone a while back. He's a well-known apologist in Islam. He's really good, but he's gone over to the dark side to become Roman Catholic. He's causing others to follow in his vitriolic approach. It's full of accusation, foulness.

It's really bad. In our debate, he was trying to refute limited atonement, and he went to Colossians 1-20, which says, through him, Jesus reconciled all things to himself. He says, see, reconciled. That means he bore the sin of everybody who ever lived. In this debate, I asked him, will reconcile all things that include the devil? He was stumped.

He really was. You could hear the video. He was stumped. He didn't know what to say about it. Literally, in this debate last night, he showed up and said, something like, Matt's so stupid, he even asked me if Jesus atoned for Satan. It's completely out of context. It just shocked me. He should have known better than to say that.

Here's the thing. This is a lesson for all of us. This is what happens when you deal with false doctrines. The paganism and the idolatry of the Roman Catholics, which is just all over the place. It says this, Galatians 5.

The deeds of the flesh are evident, which are immorality, impurities, sensuality, idolatry. The Catholic Church promotes idolatry in Mary. I said last night, she's a functioning goddess, and she is. She can hear millions of prayers simultaneously spoken and thought all over the world at the same time, with no intention of their hearts. This guy admitted she could do that, and how she's not a functioning goddess. That's what goddesses do. That's what pagan gods do. She's exact, except she's not a goddess.

They say, well, okay, it's a functioning goddess is what I said. Also, enmityse and strife, and this is what was the case with the people who were in the chat rooms last night. Along with the debater, there was a lot of enmityse, a lot of strife, and disputes and dissensions.

This guy was full of these. These are the works of the flesh. They are the works of the flesh. But the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

Now, a lot of people don't know, but in Greek, the word fruit is in the singular, so it's the one fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, and things like that. Not a big deal. It's just a trivia.

So I actually pointed this out and asked them to follow scriptures, and what I received was mockery and condemnation. All right. Now, think about this. Jesus said, in fact, let me go here. I'm going to do this and show you something, signs of the end times.

All right. I wrote an article in 2017 on what are some of the signs of the end times. I'm going to go through and read some of them. I had the scripture references for each one of these, and some of them are very important.

Probably all are, but some of them are very relevant, I should say, to this discussion last night. Not only in what I was seeing last night, but also there's a place we go to in our chat room called Clubhouse, and there are people who are vitriolic against God's sovereignty, predestination, election. I mean hate it and condemn it. Dave, who's on the board of directors, a guy I've known for decades, he says he's experienced this too, where people are just vitriolic to the sovereignty of God. Now, what Jesus, what the Bible says are some of the signs of the end time are as follows. The presence of false Christs and false prophets, war, persecution of the faithful, apostasy. Now, the Catholic Church and these Orthodox Church are clearly apostate. They teach a false gospel, a false Mary, and a false priesthood.

We can get into that sometime. There'd be a lawlessness would increase, love grows cold, earthquakes, famine, plagues, an increase in selfishness, lovers of money and self-pleasure, arrogant, disobedient, and grateful and unholy, haters of good, conceited, appearing godly but are not. Now, that right there is really important, haters of what is good. What is good is that God predestines us to salvation, that God chooses us for salvation, because without that we'd go to hell. Now, the Bible teaches that God predestines us. This is out of Romans 8, 29, and 30. For those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to become conformed to the image of his son. And so the ones who are foreknown are the same group as the ones who are predestined.

In Ephesians 1 and 8, obviously, he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we'd be holy and blameless. So this is the control and the sovereignty of God, and it's good, and people hate it. And also, they appear godly but are not.

This is 2 Timothy 3, 2-5. And so the Roman Catholics appear godly in their pagan rituals, their paganism, but they're not. Like the paganism of the Eucharist that they do, and I can go into that, I can teach you about that, why it's so bad, and it really is bad. And so there can be false teachings that arise also, and then other things.

And so I'm seeing this increase over the past few years. It used to be that you could have a difference of opinion, and people would just say, well, I don't agree with you, and let's discuss why. Okay, I could say to the Catholic, I don't believe your church is teaching the truth. And they would say, well, okay, why do you say that?

Let's talk about it. Just like they might say, my reformed theology, I think it's wrong. Okay, well, why do you say that? That's becoming less and less the case and more and more the case that if you disagree with them, you're evil. This is leftism. It's the way the left is in our culture. And they're just going into the issues and the areas of the flesh and then godliness. And this is what I'm seeing more and more and more. These things are happening. It's shameful. And they call themselves Christians, and then they are vitriolic, full of hate and mockery and condemnation, just as the Bible says will occur. And so I see these things on the rise.

That's not the big deal, but I will tell you this. I learned a lot from the past three debates that I've been in. Starting in January, just FYI, I'm going to require that anybody who wants to debate me has to agree to a certain set of rules and parameters. And they're going to be very specific.

And if they don't agree to them all, I'm not interested in talking to them. It's just going to be like that. We're going to narrow it down. We're going to make sure that they don't behave like this and that they can actually stick with the topic instead of going off topic like the guy last night did repeatedly.

Hey, there's another break. We'll be right back after these messages. We'll get to Luke from Washington, D.C. Be right back. Please stay tuned. Everybody, welcome back to the show. It's the bottom of the hour. I just want to let you know that after today, after this show today, I won't be on the air for the rest of the year. We'll be back live on January 2nd. So I'm going to take some time off and do some vacation stuff, you know, and rest and all that kind of thing. And that means that people at the radio station can enjoy themselves without having to listen to me, among others.

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Just go to karm.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G forward slash donate. Everything you need is right there. Let's see if our sound is working right. Luke from Washington, you're on the air. Hi, Matt. How are you? I'm okay. Hang on in there, man.

Hang on in there. Just reviewing the debate, the debacle last night. The guy, he was so bad.

Yeah. You have a debate with who? Oh, I had a debate with the Roman Catholic.

Oh, that's easy. He was horrible. Yeah, I won the debate, I mean, because he couldn't, he could not establish from scripture what he asserted. He had to use inference out of analogies.

And there was nothing concrete whatsoever. And the verses he raised I refuted. And he couldn't answer any of my questions. Well, he did when I said, did Jesus ever pray to Mary? He said, no. Did the apostles ever teach pray to Mary? No. You know, stuff like this, but it's what it was.

Anyway, so what do you got, buddy? My question is, why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch him, but allowed Thomas to touch him? The word there, touch, in the Greek, carries also the emphasis of clinging and holding on to, just not letting go.

And it would make sense at the resurrection. She didn't want to let Jesus go. She wanted to just hold on to him. Don't go, don't go. And he says, don't cling to me. Don't hold me back.

I've got things to do. And that's what he was basically getting at, okay? So what about Thomas? What about Thomas?

Thomas, doubting Thomas. He allowed him to touch him. Yeah, well, he allowed her to touch him too.

The issue was don't keep clinging and holding on so he can't go do his stuff. And in John 20, 25 through 28, we don't know that Thomas actually touched him because it doesn't say he did. Jesus just said, put your hand into my side and put your finger into my hand and see and believe where it is me. So he was challenging Thomas who said, I'm not going to believe unless I can see him and see the wounds and things like that. And Jesus said, well, here we go. Like I said, he had other things he needed to get done. And that's what happened, okay? Okay, so one more question.

One more question, yes. Why did the labors in Vineyard receive the same reward and what does the murmuring signify? You know, the parable of labors? Yes, they got different. They worked differently and different amounts and then they each received the same reward. And people complained about it.

And what they were complaining about was the graciousness of the land, of the owner, of the provider. This is related to salvation. You can have someone who's a Christian their whole life and they get the incredible reward of heaven.

And you can find someone who becomes a Christian a day before he dies and he's been bad his whole life and he's completely trusting Christ, or wiped away, he also goes to heaven. And people might say, well, that's not fair. I don't want fairness from God.

I want grace. And so God has the right to do with his creation as he desires. And he says to them, so you're upset that I'm gracious to them? Did you not agree, and he says in the parable, did you not agree to work for this amount and I've given you what you wanted? Isn't that what you agreed to? Why are you jealous about someone else getting something else too?

And this taught me, this principle taught me something. If I work for a company and an owner is there talking to me, he has the right to do with the company as he wants. He can pay someone else twice what he wants to pay me. If I agree to work a certain wage for a certain time, that's what my agreement is. And if someone else is getting twice, that's not my concern.

Praise God he's getting twice. I'm there to hold up my end of the bargain and do what's necessary and do what's required. It belongs to the owner in this case and this stuff. And so I don't look to others and covet what their blessings are. I just worry about my own place with God. Okay? Okay.

So do you know Andrew Farley, another radio show guy, Andrew Farley? No, I don't. Alright, okay. Alright, thank you. Sure. Well, okay, no problem. Well, God bless. Okay. Thank you, bye. Alright. Well, since we were talking about the issue of Roman Catholicism, don't detain me as the Greek is acceptable to.

Don't detain, hold, prevent, move, cling to. That's right. So let me just kind of go over some stuff about Mary.

I say this, I do. I say this that the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox Church both, what they do is they teach a false gospel, a false priesthood, and a false Mary. And what's really interesting is, I'm going to read some stuff about Mary here from their sources, but what's really interesting is how people get so upset if you attack Mary. Now, if someone were to attack Jesus, what I've seen, they're far more gracious. Well, you need to learn who Jesus really is. You attack Mary, now you're troubled and you can't do that. This is just further evidence to me of the evidence and of the depravity of their hearts and the idolatry in their hearts. So this is what, I'll just read some of the stuff they say about Mary.

You won't believe this. It's incredible. The immaculate virgin preserved free from all guilt of original sin on the completion of her earthly sojourn. She's the queen of the universe. Mary is the queen of the universe.

That's how I see it. You see, it's like a superhero. She's the queen of the universe.

That's when you get the music, ta-da, and the light comes out from behind the person walking. So she's the queen of the universe. She's not the queen of the universe. She's not the queen of anything. So let's see.

Let's see, let's see. She's called the mother of mercy, most chaste, most pure, undefiled, mother of our creator, seat of wisdom, mirror of justice, cause of our joy. She's the cause of our joy.

I thought it was Jesus. Spiritual vessel, vessel of honor, singular vessel of devotion, mystical rose, the tower of David, tower of ivory, the house of gold, the gate of heaven, the morning star, the health of the sick, refuge of sinners. Mary's the refuge of sinners. Why am I getting this out of the book of second stupidification? It's just ridiculous. The queen of the patriarchs, queen of prophets, queen of the apostles, queen of martyrs, queen of confessors, queen of virgins, queen of all saints.

It's like, where are they getting this? This is idolatry. It's idolatry. Let's see. Oh, I've already read so many of the apparitions. Maybe I'll do that. Maybe I'll read some of the apparitions that they said, and it's bad.

It's really bad. Let me do that. So this is because we have no callers coming in right now, and that's how it is sometimes at this time of the year, but I'm going to just read some quotes from officially approved, Roman Catholic officially approved apparitions, Guadalupe in 1531 and Fatima in 1917. I'm going to read. There are six quotes.

Now, we've got a break coming up. Let's see how far we get into them. I'm going to read six quotes, three from Guadalupe and three from Fatima. And what you've got to pay attention to is the increase of the idolatry that's through them. Now, I'll probably wait until after the break to start them.

I want you to hear them, but I've got another minute for the break. But here's the thing. You've got to understand that the Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus. The Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus, and that's John 15, 26. The Father bears witness of Jesus, John 5, 37. Jesus works bear witness of himself, John 5, 36. Jesus bears witness of himself, John 8, 18. The multitudes bear witness of Jesus, John 12, 17. The prophets bear witness of Jesus, Acts 10, 43. The scriptures bear witness of Jesus, John 5, 39.

So what are we supposed to do? Bear witness of Christ. If any apparition is from anyone truly in heaven, they're going to bear witness of Christ. And these apparitions, I'm going to show you after the break when I read them, I'm going to show you how utterly evil they really are. And it's proof that the Roman Catholic Church is not true because it can't even tell the difference between what is true and what's demonic manifestations. And yeah, I'm saying they're demonic because when I read them after the break, which is coming up here, when I read these demonic manifestations, these demonic teachings, it's proof the Roman Catholic Church is apostate. It's one of the other proofs I use.

It's completely apostate. And we'll get to that right after the break, please. Stay tuned. Drum roll. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. We're having fun in the chat, having fun talking about stuff. I said I was going to read some stuff that demonstrates the Roman Catholic Church is apostate because these are the things it says are really truly merry and that you should believe them.

Check this out. This is from 1531, the apparition supposedly merry says, No, no for sure, my dearest little and youngest son, that I am the perfect and ever virgin Holy Mary. So this apparition claims to be merry.

Then later on, it says this. The apparition says in 1531, Guadalupe, I am truly your merciful mother, yours and all the people who live united in this land and of all the other people of different ancestries, my lovers who love me, those who seek me, those who trust in me. Here, I will hear their weeping, their complaints, and heal all their sorrows, hardships, and sufferings. So now the apparition is saying that you've got to love the apparition, those who love me, seek me, trust in me.

No, no, no, no. We trust in Christ. We seek Christ. The true spirit of God and people will work to bring the truth to who Jesus really is and bear witness of Christ.

That's what happens. And this is the third apparition statement. Am I not here I who am your mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not the source of your joy? Are you not in the hollow of my mantle, the crossing of my arms? Do you need anything more?

Let nothing else worry you, disturb you. So the apparition now, this is, they say, really Mary, okay, that the people, this guy and others, are under her shadow and protection and that she's the source of their joy. And to be in the hollow of her mantle, the crossing of her arms, do you need anything more? Yeah, we need Jesus. It's just so simple. When anybody's in the presence of Jesus, they don't boast like this. They don't say, look, come to me, listen to me.

Do you need anything more? Give me a break. But yet they can't even discern that this is demonic because, well, the Catholic Church is just apostate. All right, now, this is from Fatima. So I'm going to read three quotes from Fatima. This was in 1917, and three children, Jacinto Marto, Lucia Santos, and Francisco Marto, said an apparition of Mary appeared to them. Now, something did happen because there's a lot of witnesses who said that there were people watching something move in the sky and they all tracked the same area and the same movement.

So something was going on. But nevertheless, here's what, in 1917, the apparition of Mary said. Are you willing to offer yourself to God to bear all the sufferings he wants to send you as an act of reparation for the sins by which he's offended and for the conversion of sinners?

Now, check that out. The apparition asked the children, are you willing to bear all the sufferings he wants to send you as an act of reparation for the sins by which he's offended? So they are then taught by this apparition that their sufferings can make their sins better. But where's the cross? Jesus is the one who did that. Not these children, not Mary. This is demonic teaching. It's flat-out demonic. And they don't even have the sense to be able to know the difference.

Why? Simple reason. Because they don't trust the authority of God's word. They trust the authority of the church.

It's as simple as that. And because of that, they're not listening to the voice of Christ. They're listening to other voices, these demonic voices that imitate Mary.

Here's another one from June, I mean from 1917, June 13th, actually. I will take Jacinta and Francesco shortly, and they did die, actually. But you will stay here for some time to come. Jesus wants to use you to make me known and loved. He wishes to establish the devotion to my Immaculate Heart throughout the world. I promise salvation to whoever embraces it. So now the apparition is saying that Jesus himself wants to make Mary known. Jesus wants people to establish devotion to Mary's Immaculate Heart. Now, demons, this is demon talking. And this demon says, I promise salvation to whoever embraces it. The Catholic church can't even tell. And they said, this is really Mary. Why? Because they're so entrenched in their own tradition and philosophy of man. Here, check this one out.

This is July 13th, 1917. Adam, sacrifice yourselves for sinners and say often to Jesus, especially whenever you make a sacrifice. Oh, Jesus, it is for the love of thee for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

So wait a minute. So now the apparition is saying the sins are committed against Mary and you've got to be sacrifices to take care of the sins against Mary. So this is idolatry and the apparition is requesting sacrifices to it. Demons, demons, these are fallen angels, false manifestations. This is what's going on here. And what do Catholics do?

They go to these sites and they crawl, they walk, they do whatever they can. Oh, Mary's appearing. Mary this, Mary that. The Roman Catholic Church and the officials of the Roman Catholic Church are going to face eternal judgment for this. And this is proof that the Roman Catholic Church is apostate. And it is.

It's proof. All right, so there you go. I just want to let you know, we've got to take a couple callers here, but I want to let you know that I will not be on the air live after today because it's December 20th, Friday, and I'll be back on the air live on January 2nd.

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So if you put in ten, another ten will be matched and added. And it's a great way to support this ministry. So just giving you guys a heads up for that. Let's get to Herb from Raleigh. I want to hear what he has to say. Herb, go ahead. Hey, Matt. Hey, Matt, you're where it's at. Anyway, I want to ask you, Matt, I don't know if you remember this, but I got your back finally. But I want to ask you, back in the, I think the 70s, the old show, Unsolved Mysteries, they once had a story about, like I don't think it was in the 30s or 40s when all this happened, all these people gathered and claiming to see Mary in the clouds of the sky. Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't.

I don't. I mean, there's been all kinds of supposed manifestations all over the world. And the Catholics just in their over eagerness and idolatrous disposition just believe it. Yeah, well, a ton of people gathered and it was on the, you know, that old news, that old show, the only people who watched Unsolved Mysteries, Robert Stack. But it was like a documentary talking about thousands of people who came. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on it, but you may not be familiar with that. It was something kind of in the Mary, I know that. Yeah, I just don't recall. But if people have documentation on that, send it to me.

Because I'm always expanding my file and my Word document on Catholicism is 234 pages. Yeah. Okay, buddy, I'll do my best to sign that for you.

I sure will. Because I remember that when we were much younger. I'm the same age as you. About 100 years ago, we were that.

30 to 40. Tell me about it. Everybody else does. No, I know you got to go. God bless you, man. Y'all have a great Christmas. God bless your family and everyone. Alright, we're always praying for you, buddy.

Every day. Amen. Thanks. Bye-bye, buddy. God bless you.

Alright. Now, we had another caller on Catholicism and he dropped off. I would love to have gotten to that. But let's get to Alberto from Georgia. Alberto, welcome. You're on the air, buddy.

Yes, hi. My question is, you know, what's the proper historical context when pastors use of the punchline for such a time as this? What's the proper historical context of that place?

I don't know. I mean, that might have a great many references historically. For such a time as this, in quotes, just searching for it.

Particular situation moment. Mordecai's plea in the Bible of Esther. That's what it seems to be. And most of it comes out of the Bible. So, yeah, it has to do with the book of Esther. You know, it was going with Mordecai and the king and queen and deception and trying to kill the Jews and things like that.

So, you know. But what did pastors use it today every time for such a time as this? Did I have to quote that phrase all the time? Yeah, because it says in Esther 4.14, and for if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place and you and your father's house will perish.

And who knows whether you will have not attained royalty for such a time as this? Well, you know, just because the phrase is used there doesn't mean a pastor can't use it in a different way. And if he's referencing that and he's exegeting it and he's doing it wrong, that's a problem.

But if he's just saying for such a time as this, you know, that we're in for such a time as we are in in these last days, it could be there too. So it's not that big a deal. Okay? Okay. That's probably curious, you know, because sometimes the people have to be used by the punch lines in the Bible.

But sometimes I take things out of context and not in the historical context why they said it or what the wound was referring to in the Jewish nation and not the church age only just through the time of the... Yeah, it just depends on how it's being used. That's all. Okay, that's all it is. Okay.

It just depends on what they're doing. Okay? Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. All right, brother.

God bless. All right. Happy Merry Christmas. You too. You too. Thanks. All right. Hey, that's it.

And we don't have anybody else waiting, so we've got a couple minutes left on the show. I hope you all have a great Christmas, and I hope you have a good New Year's as well. You know, through all of what we're going through and the change of presidency here in America, the difficulties we might have, the sorrows we might have at this time of the year and things like that happen, just keep your eyes on the Lord Jesus and remember the gospel message. Remember that God has died to save sinners. If you put your faith and your trust in Him, He will forgive you of all of your sins. Put your faith and trust in Jesus, what He has done. And look to Him in this time at the end of the year. Look to Him and rejoice in Him and have your confidence and your hope in the Lord Jesus Christ. That's where our hope is in. Not a church, not your money, not your bank account, not your family, not your friends, but Jesus.

He's the one. And by God's grace, last night in a debate, I was able to preach the gospel several times, even for those unbelievers and the wicked that were in that room. They need to hear that. Everyone needs to hear that gospel. May the Lord bless you and anoint you so that you can preach that gospel, present the gospel to people the rest of this year and next year as well. I want to thank you for this year. It's been a great year, 2024. And next year, 2025, hopefully will be another one blessed by the Lord God. So have a great Christmas, a great New Year's. And by His grace, be back on the air on January 2nd. May the Lord bless you. Have a good one. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.