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That's easy to do. All you have to do is send an email to info at CARM.org, info at CARM.org. And I put a couple of questions for the radio that people sent in.
I looked at today and got them in there so I can get to them a little bit if nobody calls right away. I've been working really hard getting stuff ready for publication, manuals I've written, putting them on Amazon and all that kind of stuff. Just doing a lot of work. So I won't be writing as many articles for a while. And that's just the way that is.
So no big deal. And we've got a caller coming in. Got some hate mail today, which I think we've got a good one, too. One good one. It's long. Let's see. That's a radio question.
What's that doing in there? And that goes over there. So I got a nice hate mail. We'll be getting into that. Why don't we just jump on the air here? Let's get to Cole from Virginia.
Cole, welcome. You're on the air. Mr. Matt Slick, how you doing, sir? Oh, hanging in there. Just working hard as always. So where do you go, man? What's up?
I'll ask you. I know. Hey, I got a question about Ezekiel chapter 28, verses 11 through 19. Think of lamentation for Tyre. It's every precious stone which you're covering. This is a pericope that deals, most commentators say deals with Satan.
Even though it starts off with the issue of, say, the king of Tyre. Thus says Jehovah Elohim. He says, you had to seal a perfection full of wisdom and perfect and beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God.
And because of that, that's where people start saying, well, no. This is a lament to him, to dress to him, but it's about something else. So it says, this is really interesting stuff in here, too. You are in Eden, the garden of God. Every precious stone which you're covering. So this is a description, it looks like, of the devil. Of Lucifer, which means light bearer.
Now think about this. These stones, ruby, topaz, diamond, beryl, onyx, jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise, and the emerald, the gold of your workmanship, et cetera. These would be beautiful in the reflection of light. And so some think that, you got me started here. Some think that this might be evidence of the greatness of Lucifer. And as Isaiah 14 talks about, the five I wills, I'll lift myself above the high heaven, like the most high, the fall of Satan, that it looks like he might, because of this in Ezekiel 28, 12 through 14, that he was very beautiful and became conceited. But what else is interesting is in the end of verse 13, the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets. But another translation could say, tambourines and flutes. So because of that, they think that he may have been involved as a beautiful creature, incredibly beautiful creature, may have been involved in the adoration and worship of God, and then was lifted up in his own pride, in his own beauty, and wanted to be like God and be worshiped and adored, because he was just tremendously wonderful.
And he fell. And he goes on, the gold of your workmanship was your tambourines and flutes, was in you on the day that you were created. As they were prepared, you were the anointed cherub who covers and have placed you there. You're in the holy mountain, et cetera.
You were blameless in your ways till the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you. So there you go. There's a lot of information there.
But don't let it help or not, but there you go. Yeah, it confused me, because the previous two chapters, you know, the Lord was telling Ezekiel, you know, all these prophecies about how he's going to get the King of Tyre, you know, he was naming all that. And then he got I got to that chapter. It confused me. It does sound like it might be referring to Satan. So I was confused on that one. Well, and that's OK. It's just that sometimes the way God speaks to people through other means is he will just be talking about something and all of a sudden there's a shift. Then it goes back.
Why is that shift there? Now think about Ezekiel writing this. Say to the King of Tyre, right, take up this lament, et cetera, et cetera. And Ezekiel's writing, he must have known something was up when he wrote this section of scripture. He must have known this is from God and he's writing about the evil one or something like that. I don't think it's the case that Ezekiel's like, what am I writing? I don't get it.
I don't believe that was the case. I believe that God works through people in a very real way and they're aware of a lot of things. So anyway, it's interesting stuff. And just so you know, a parallel is found in Isaiah 14, starting at verse 12. This is Ezekiel 28, 12 and Isaiah 14, 12, which is interesting because half of 28 is 14 and both start at 12. Not a big deal, but there you go.
It says, how you have fought. Could it be possible? Yeah.
Go ahead. Could it be possible that that King of Tyre was possessed by the devil? Could that be possible? That's an interesting theory. Maybe that's an interesting theory. I haven't thought about that.
I don't know if it's possible or not possible, depending what the text is. But I think it's worth considering. Yeah, because he, I mean, God gave it up, man. He got, he got, he got annihilated, you know, you know, the murder.
Well, I want to say murder, but he had a violent death in the, in the ocean, you know, and like I say, it's a lot of, he's like, I don't know, it's weird, but you know, it's interesting, but you know, if it's from the Lord, it means something. You know what I'm saying? I just wanted to get your take on it.
It sounds pretty good. What you said though. Yeah, and that's what it seems to be in there. But since we're talking about this, let me go to Isaiah 14, 12, and notice what we call the five I wills of Satan.
He says this, I'm going to start up a little bit earlier. Verse 11, your pomp and the music of your harps have been brought down to Sheol. Maggots are spread out as your bed underneath you and worms are your covering. How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning.
That's interesting, right? It means shining one, which is what Lucifer was. Anyway, O star of the morning, son of the dawn, you have been cut down to the earth. You who have weakened the nations, but you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven. To heaven, I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of the assembly and the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will make myself like the most high.
Nevertheless, you shall be thrust down to Sheol to the recesses of the pit. And so, a lot of people think that's about Satan too. Okay, I call it the five I wills of Satan. What you're saying makes sense because in the previous chapters, God was condemning him from forced pride. That king had a lot of pride, a lot of riches, and he was saying that he did it. He did it, and he had a lot.
He put his trust in his riches, and he was like a god, and God says, Okay, I'll show you who's God. Yes, interesting what you said. That's very interesting. Yeah. Okay, well, thanks a lot, man.
Uh, that was enlightening. Sure, no problem. I hope that's helpful. Okay, there you go. Yeah, thank you. Have a good weekend. You too.
God bless. All right, fine. All right, well, we have nobody waiting right now. If you want to give me a call, you can. All you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. You can also give me an email, and that's easy to do. Just send your email to info at karm.org, info at karm.org, and put in the subject line radio question or radio comment, and we can get to it, all right? All right, we have nobody waiting right now.
We've got a break coming up in a couple of minutes, so I think what I'm going to do is get to some of the emails because I'm thinking about something else. I might do something else before I get to that because in regard to the issue of the fall of the devil, there is also a comment about the elect angels that's in the scriptures, and I'll find a verse here, and I was thinking about this a while back. Why would it talk about elect angels? Now, this is in 1 Timothy 521, and it says, I solemnly charge you the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and his chosen angels to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in the spirit of partiality, and the word there is eklektos, which means to choose, to elect, so I was thinking because of this.
I'm just going to throw this out for, you know, stir the pot, think a little bit, but if Satan was so great and he fell, and Adam and Eve fell, why did they fall? And why is it that 1 Timothy 521 talks about elect angels or chosen angels? So I was thinking about that one day, and it kind of came to mind that it says in the Bible, 1 Timothy, 1 Peter 1 16, be holy, for I am holy. Okay, so God alone possesses holiness because holiness is a property, a characteristic of his nature, and in that holiness is the inability to sin. God cannot contradict his own holy nature, so he cannot sin. He can't violate that, but angels and people who are created don't have that thing called holiness, something that is part of God's character that belongs to him alone, and I was thinking about that, and I concluded probably that this is why we fell and the angels fell, except for the ones that were chosen by God not to fall, the elect angels. So here's a theory that any sentient being, angel or human, that's self-aware, has personhood, things like that, consciousness, will fall, will end up in sin because they don't possess the quality of holiness, and God has to elect angels, 1 Timothy 5 21, so they would not sin, but he elects Christians to be saved by Christ from the foundation of the world.
The people have a redeemer, so we're elect from then back then to be saved, and the angels don't have a redeemer, so God elected them so that some of them would not fall, and that's a theory I kind of came up with, and I'm just throwing that out at you to see what you think. You can call me up if you want and say, hey, I think that's good, or hey, I think that's no good, or whatever you want to do. You can do that, and what we'll do, we have the music coming up here in a minute after the break, I will get to an email, a pretty good hate mail, which I haven't had a hate mail in a while, and I love hate mail, so we'll get to that, and when I remind you that we stay on the air by your support, please consider supporting us. We definitely do need that, and we hope that you would be so kind as to commit to five or $10 a month in support, and you can do that by going to karm.org forward slash donate. Everything you need is right there. Hope you'll do it.
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It's easy. All you have to do is dial 877-207-2276, and tell you what, we got nobody waiting right now. It's a nice Friday. That happens about this time of the year.
Fridays get slow. I am going to read a hate mail. That's a long one. I may not go through all of it, but since I enjoy hate mail so much, and I only read the first line, and then I went, yes, that's all I did, but this is good, and so I'm going to get into the hate mail, and you can tell my voice, my tone. I'm excited. I know I have issues, but when someone writes a good email that's full of hate, I get a kick out of it.
I just love them, and for a long time, we haven't had any really good emails that were full of good hate. Here's a good one. Let's see. You're a disgusting pig. Now, that's good. If you're going to insult somebody, just start right off, and get right in there.
You're a disgusting pig. It's simple. One, two, three, four words, and it's just very descriptive. I like it. I get it right away. That sets the good tone.
Okay. I wish there was a heaven, so you could watch all the good people enjoying themselves as you burn in hell, but alas, God is as real as a Catholic priest, who, boy, I can't. I'm going to read the rest of that. Do Catholics get into the priesthood?
Two, I can't read that either. He says, your God is a joke. Well, I don't know about that, but anyway, is human suffering just something your God enjoys watching? Well, no. Wow. So, my mom was extremely intelligent for far more than you claim to be.
I don't claim to be extremely intelligent. So, I thought I would finally stump her by asking if God is all loving, why does it allow so much human suffering? Well, we don't say God's all loving, and that people who ask the question don't understand the true nature of God. He's not just all loving.
He is loving and kind and merciful and holy and just and righteous. So, you had to put all those together, and if you were to take, for example, a rainbow that has several colors. You took one of the rainbow colors. He said, this represents the whole thing. It wouldn't be a rainbow, and it wouldn't.
So, it would be inaccurate. Okay, he goes, as always, she stumped you by saying, it's to teach us compassion. She stumped you? Well, she's so intelligent.
What an amazing response, right? She's passed away now. Okay. Her soul is in the dark nothingness of death. You know, when people tell me that, and I talk to atheists, and they will come off, and they'll say, what happens when you die?
Nothing happens. You just stop being. I say, how do you know? And it's a question.
I mean, they are putting their eternal destiny on the line on nothing. And I say, look, think about this. There's only two possibilities, right? You continue, or you don't continue.
That's it. If you don't continue, you'll never know if you continue or not, because there's just nothing. But the only thing you got to be worried about is continuing, because if you don't continue, you wouldn't know.
So the smart choice is, what if you do? Anyway, when someone says that you don't exist anymore, you ask them, how do you know that? Well, this is what I believe. And then there's logical problems with that, because then they'll jump into what's called property dualism. They'll say that the mind is a property of the physical brain. So when the physical brain dies, your mind dies. You just go back to nothing. It's a nothingness.
I say, well, wait a minute. If that's true, then that means then that your mind is nothing more than that. Nothing more than the chemical reactions of your brain. And if that's the case, all you are is necessary chemical reactions. And so you don't have freedom.
You don't even know what you believe in or don't believe in is true or not, because it's just chemical reactions. This is a problem with that. And then they say things like, yeah, I don't want to talk to you anymore.
And then they go away. Okay. So, he goes on, nothingness of death, because although she deserved eternal happiness after death, and of course, divine intervention instead, she got neither because God in heaven is as real as Santa in the North Pole. The North Pole is real, but I don't think Santa is. Actually, I guess North Pole is technically, Oh, see, he said, okay.
So then he's only half right. Okay. Let's see. Uh, how many million, how many million do you think have died in the name of God?
Lots. Uh, it must be one despicable violence. Uh, uh, I can't read what this person's saying. Uh, people who slaughtered his name, they don't do it in God's name because God says in Jesus Christ, you don't do that kind of stuff.
So this guy, you know, it's a lot of times, this is typical. This is pretty typical of a lot of the critics who they don't know what, what we teach. They have no idea. They have no clue.
They only think the most awful things. And that becomes what they believe that that God really is or whatever. It's called a straw man. It's not a steel man. Straw man is a weak position that you attack a straw.
A steel man is the actual position. And what atheists regularly do is a straw man issues. This goes on.
The Vatican has a hush fund to quietly pay off victims of abuse from the clergy. I believe that's true. Oh, and while white supremacists using the cross as their symbol and their work to, to keep the whites as superior class, because that is our God's will.
No, it's not God's will. Uh, and see here, that's another thing that's racist. He's racist. You know me, I believe that there's only one race. I do just one race, the human race. And we have different skin colors. We have different skin tones. We have different eye colors and tones.
We have different hair colors and tones and heights and things like that. That's it. That's it.
One, one, one race, the human race. That's, that's how I look at stuff. So if I see somebody who looks different than me, I say, good. That's a good thing. That's good.
All right. The senseless killings in Israel as two religions fight over God. They're not fighting over God. Uh, it's the, is the Muslims who are the intolerant ones, uh, the Jews with, Oh, I'll tell you, what do you guys think of what's happening over there? Israel's really cleaning their clock over there.
And, um, wow. With the, uh, pages that blew up and the walkie talkies that have blown up. I heard, but I haven't seen it verified that cars were, were igniting too. And I, today I was listening and someone said it was a 15 year plan that they put in, uh, into place.
It took 15 years for this to come to fruition. And now, uh, the Israelis are going in and they're cleaning their clock. Anyway. Um, and so he says killing each other because a book written by men have different endings to a made up story. Well, that's just ridiculous. The only purpose a crucifix has, which I, I look at whatever this guy's makes it psychological. That's all he says.
Uh, it, I would keep it. I can't say that either. Um, I know I hate people because their beliefs, or I guess because what their beliefs make them do. I know I'm a hypocrite.
Yeah, you are. Most people are not intelligent enough to handle something as philosophical. It's religion.
Oh man, they got to kick out of stuff like that. Some people are going to think I'm the one, but, uh, well, this guy's really vile. This guy is vile.
Just full. I lost up. I can't even read. Can't even read out loud.
And I even skip when I see what he's doing is saying. And so, uh, how dare you tell me to limit my question to one? What? So I guess, I guess it's wrong for me to say in an email, please just limit your question to one question. Your email to one question. I guess it's wrong for me to do that.
You know, this guy does not have all his paws in the litter box. That's for sure. Hey folks, there's a music. We right back. Why don't you give me a call? 877-207-2276.
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The number's easy 877-207-2276. We got nobody waiting right now. So what I'm going to do is get to some, uh, Q and A, some questions. And I was looking at him during the break and I found a good one. And I don't know if I've gone over it before, but it, it, uh, brought to mind something else as well. So what I'm gonna do is read this and then read something else.
I'm going to talk to you about something. So, uh, this person, uh, I guess it's a hate mail, but, uh, it's kind of a question is also, I have to inform you in charity that Protestantism is a false religion of man that leads to condemnation. It would seem that as a result of cognitive dissonance, you temporarily downplay the obvious inherent inconsistencies of your manmade religion. One of the pillars of your false religion is that the Holy Spirit will guide the individual believer while reading the Bible. But obviously the 50,000 plus daily growing Protestant denominations stand as a constant irrefutable proof of that doctrine.
Uh, and so I'm going to address that. So it's not 50,000 growing denominations. It's just a, this tells me that he's just heard something and just repeating and he hasn't verified anything, doesn't know what's going on. And plus there are factions within Catholicism as well that are growing.
There's more and more of that occurred as new movements and things develop. So it's not a really good argument. It's just means to me with this guy saying is that he doesn't know what he's talking about and that he hasn't researched it, you know, and it's not a good argument. He goes on, any person would realize that since the original founders of Protestantism disagreed with each other on crucial points of doctrine, uh, like what you see crucial points. You see this, this, uh, this is something that when I've discussed this with Catholics and they'll bring this, uh, and Eastern Orthodox, they'll bring this argument up and I say, do you understand what the difference is between the essentials and the non-essentials is?
Do you understand the difference? Because the Bible says in first Corinthians 14, excuse me, not first Corinthians 14, but Romans 14, that we have the, uh, the right to disagree on debatable issues. That's in the Bible right there, but we can't disagree on the essentials. And there's only like seven, uh, seven to 10, depending on how you want to define them, essentials of the Christian faith. And outside of those, we're allowed to have differences of opinions and that's where denominations come in. It doesn't mean that they're not Christian. So this person who's saying this is, is unfortunately quite ignorant about how that works. He says, but anyway, you must visit this one website for the most important information you can ever see.
There's absolutely, now this is important. There's absolutely no salvation outside the Catholic church. And that Protestantism is a manmade religion. All Protestants are on the path to condemnation. All right now. So notice this statement.
This is interesting. There's no salvation outside the Catholic church. Now the Catholic church is a system that is, uh, of course with the Pope and Magisterium and you have bishops, you have priests, you have stuff and their earthly organization. They're saying is the true church that you have to belong to it. You have to belong to that true church in order to be saved. Well, that's not what Jesus says. Jesus has come to me.
All were heavy laden and I will give you rest. He didn't say you have to belong to a church to be saved. So these people right here are preaching a false gospel. Now what I'm going to do is I'm going to read some stuff from the canons and justification by the council of Trent. So the council of Trent was a council that occurred in the 15 hundreds, the mid 15 hundreds and it was in different sessions, different first, second and third.
So it happened from 1545 to 1563. So the reason this is important is because I'm going to read to you some of the stuff that it says. This is on justification. Now before I read it, I need to go through and read what the Bible says. I want you to be fresh in your mind about what the Bible says is what justification is and how it's obtained because I'm going to read what the Bible says and then I'm going to read what the Catholic church says. And this is, I would say this is when I get to this and read what the Catholic church says, I'm going to show you where and everything. Uh, this is the, you could say an official marker of when the Catholic church went apostate during the council of Trent. Now some will deny that. They don't believe that, but that's what I kind of lean towards. This is what Romans chapter four verses one through six says.
I'm going to read this. What then shall we say that Abraham our forefather, according to the flesh, has found? For for Abraham was justified by works. He has something to boast about, but not before God.
For what does the scripture say? Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. So he believed God and that belief was credited as righteousness.
That's all that Paul is saying. Didn't say Abraham did anything or didn't do anything. He is writing here this issue and saying, this is what justified him was his faith. In verse four, after the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but what is due, but to the one who does not work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly. His faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works. So clearly God is crediting people's righteousness apart from works. And it's by faith alone, because in verse four, five, it's Romans four, five, it says, but to the one who does not work, but believes.
There's two things there. Work and belief. And Paul is negating works real simple.
Okay. Now that means justifications by faith alone. This is what the catechism, not the catechism, but the council of Trent said, which accordingly cannot be undone. It's supposed to be super official and can never be violated. This is canons on justification.
Canon five. If anyone sayeth that it is an imposture to celebrate masses in honor of the saints and for the obtaining their intercession with God as a church intends, let them be anathema. So you're cursed. You're cursed if you don't take the mass and believe that they intercede for you. Well, the reason this is important is because the saints intercede and help you in your justification.
This is verse nine or Canon nine. If anyone says that by faith alone, the impious is justified in such ways as to mean that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to the obtaining the grace of justification and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will, let him be anathema. That's the word for cursed. Let him be cursed. So what is the Catholic church done? It has cursed the gospel. If anyone says by faith alone that a person is justified and that nothing else is required to obtain that grace of justification, let him be cursed. Canon 14 says, if anyone says that a man is truly absolved from his sins and justified because he assuredly believes himself absolved and justified, or that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified and that by this faith alone, absolution and justification are affected, let him be cursed. Now, of course, this is faith in Christ, okay, not just faith in faith. And so what's happening here is the Roman Catholic church is cursing the gospel. The gospel. It's cursing the gospel.
The Roman Catholic church is not a Christian church, folks, because it curses the gospel. And I can go on and read some quotes and stuff like that. But what I'm going to do now is get on the air. Let's get to Jermaine. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air.
Oh, hi, Matt. I just found it very interesting not to search those articles on your website. But yeah, just want to ask about Hezekiah and asking for more time. Some believers do that and it seems like some people think that's been granted and some people it has not. But kind of rethinking death, I was curious, is it possible this is actually a blessing in disguise and you do get forewarning of possible death because you can donate it there? Well, it could be. Yeah, it could be a blessing. It could be highly traumatizing as well. But, you know, it just depends on the person and the condition.
And a lot of people have felt that they have been forewarned and it didn't come to pass. So we don't know. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, to a point. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. That's all we got for today. I'm willing to see you next week. All right, man. Sounds good, buddy.
God bless. Okay. All right. Okay. Let's get to Jeff from South Carolina. Jeff, welcome. You're on the air.
Good evening. I noticed a couple of weeks ago. You were talking about the, like, what the pre-trib rapture and when it started and everything. Like it was a Darby, Charles Nelson Darby, and then it was put into the study of Bibles. Yes, it became in the Schofield reference, I believe it was adopted in there.
And then it was spread across the United States and then became a pretty much accepted doctrine. Oh, hey, hold on. There's a break, buddy.
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Here's Matt Slick. All right, buddy. Welcome back to the show.
If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Jeff, are you still there? Yes. All right. So yeah, basically it was John Nelson Darby, and he promoted also dispensationalism, which became accepted through the promotion of, I think, like I said, it was a Schofield reference Bible. Yep.
Okay. What I've learned some years ago with studying on it a lot, like the Reformers, like Martin Luther and John Huss and Wycliffe and Calvin, they believed that papacy was antichrist. The what was antichrist?
What I was... The papacy. Oh, the pope. Yeah, the papacy.
The papacy. Yes, uh-huh. And what I learned was that they had, you know, that was during the Reformation, and people were just leaving in droves and going with Protestants. And they had... So what they did, I think, was called the counter-reformation.
Yes, they did. Uh-huh. I guess that's what the council trend is, right?
That's right. The counter-reformation. And so they had to come up with some other, instead of, you know, the futurist is what I believe, but...
I'm not the futurist, but the historicist's interpretation was from the early Reformers, but kind of what I believe. But they had to take the eyes off of the pope as being an antichrist. So this is what I found, it was Ignatius De Loyola, De Loyola was the founder of the Jesuit Order. He commissioned two Jesuits to destroy Protestantism through escapology. And there was a guy named Francisco Ribera and Al Khazar.
Okay. The aim was to stop this attack on Rome and get the Protestants fighting among themselves, pushing conflict and theories. And, well, the pre-Trib rapture, all in the future, I think it was the one that Francisco Ribera, in 1590, he came up with that. Escapology, and then the other guy was like, well, no, it all happened in the past, but I think all that futurist, seven-year tribulation, I don't know exactly that, but it was in the future, all in the future, take the eyes off the pope.
It's a bad guy, a boogeyman in the future. Well, I don't know, because Darby died in like 1880s, I think it was, something like that. No, the origins was way before Darby, it was like in the 1500s. You mean the pre-Trib rapture view? Yeah, the future. Look, I tell you what, if you have some documentation on that, send it to me, because generally speaking, it's understood that Charles Nelson Darby is the one who started it, but there's also the...
But that was later, that was far on down the road. Okay, I'm saying, if you have documentation, send it to me, okay? I need to have that documentation. But I was going to say that there was another issue in 1830, a woman named Margaret McDonald says to have had a vision where there was a secret rapture that was going to occur. So I'm just saying, if you've got documentation, show it to me, send it to me, okay?
Okay, but I started studying on this Roman Catholicism a long time ago, because I had a girlfriend and she was Roman Catholic, well I'm a Protestant, because I was raised in the Presbyterian church, so she got me to taking her to the mass and all that, and I didn't know that much about it back then, I was just, I stayed out of church, I was out of church for a long time, back slow a lot, and I said, well I'll take her there, you know, and at first I didn't think there was nothing wrong, I mean it all sounded pretty good, so this is just kind of like what I was familiar with in church, but then they kept praying to the saints, and I'm like, what is that all about, you know, praying to the saints, and I knew about Mary and all that. But back to, let's get back on track, okay, back to the issue of the rapture stuff, I would like to see that documentation, now do you have that, and can you send it to me so I can check it out? Well, I've got a lot of information I've collected from different websites and stuff that I've kind of, I know one of them from Chick tracts. Yes, let's just say that Chick tracts are not the epitome of scholarly research, all right? Right, but I mean, there's more than just him, I mean.
Yeah, I wouldn't trust that for anything to quote, but if you have something of more than just Bob, Bob's website says this, so if you have something, I want to see it. Yeah, maybe you can research it from yourself, you know, I mean. Well, it's just that I have eight million things to do, and I have 900 articles I'm supposed to write, I've got to rewrite about 300 articles I've done on dictionaries in order to get them up to SEO standards, and I'm converting stuff to digital format so I can put it up on Amazon so we can get it ready for the store, and that's just part of the stuff I've got to do, not to mention the AI work I'm doing to try and get us so we can get some videos going up on a regular basis, and the every other week interviews I've got to do an analysis on theological topics I've got to do for the Patreon. So when someone says, hey, go research it, I say, sorry, don't have time. If you have information, just bring it to me, just send it to me, that's all.
I mean, but it makes a lot of sense, though, I mean, of course they want to take people calling the Pope anachronized, of course they want to stop that, I mean, that's, they don't want people to believe in that kind of thing, you know? Well, yeah, yeah, but there's a lot of stuff that people believe for different reasons, so I'm just going to say, again, if you have it, the documentation, I'm going to see it, okay? I'd love to see that, all right. Okay. Okay, sounds good. You can send it to info at karm.org, info at karm.org, all right.
Info at karm. Well, he's talking about AI, what is, that's what this is, technology. First time I started talking about AI, I said, what's that?
Alan Opperson, no, yeah, I know Alan Opperson, the basketball player. Yeah, I don't watch any sports, so I don't know, but yeah, artificial intelligence, I use it, and I'm quite aware of it, I research on it and stuff like that, I've talked to some people who know a great deal about it, and I mean, PhDs in it, and so right now, things are safe, and next year, two or three, things are going to get a little bit different, and we need to be very concerned. No, no, scary, scary times we're living in right now. Yes, and we need to be aware of what's going on, and someone actually said that because I use AI to do graphics, because graphics means I don't have to purchase images and worry about copyright infringement, the way the laws are right now with images from AI, we can just say whatever it is, and that's it, there's no worry, so I use those in articles for SEO, which is fine, and we've had people tell us that we are of the anti-Christ, because we're using AI technology. That's ridiculous, you're using technology, okay, well I hope you have a great weekend, that was kind of my question, I didn't wonder if you had heard any of this before. I've heard different things, but like I say, I always like to adapt documentation, okay?
Sounds good. Okay, take care. All right, God bless, all right, all right, now we only have about five minutes left, but I believe we have another hate mail that has come in within the past few minutes, someone let me know, I want to just jump in and see, let's see, I came across your website, there is so much inaccurate and wrong information on your website, and you claim to be of Christ, I'm seriously confused, it also makes me wonder if you had any suspect motives like a CIA op would. Now you see, it's not bad, it's a little bit loose logically, and it's just an accusation without any demonstration of what I'm wrong about in writing. A lot of times people do it, you're just wrong, where is it, I gotta go, so they don't really come up with anything, and I can say, well, what is it, give me something specific, okay, hey, look over there, and then they're gone. So it goes on, did you know the prophecy of Christ's return was fulfilled in the 19th century?
Oh, it really was, oh, that's right. I wonder why the CIA five eyes and oligarchs want to keep this secret from the masses. So Jesus returned and the CIA is keeping it a secret, this is awesome, I have never put that together, the CIA is keeping the return of Christ secret, folks, that is a new level of awesome, that's good, man, I could start using that at parties, hey, guess what I heard, did you know that the CIA and five eyes, whatever that is, it has kept the return of Christ secret, yep, how about that. This person goes on, the Jews rejected Christ and many followers of Christ and Islam have done the same, whatever, do you also know Christ and Muhammad are relatives? As are King David and Bab, the Bab and my great-great-great-great-great-grandfather Baha'u'llah, oh man, if you really are Christians, you should know Christ is related to King David, wow, yeah, you should also know Christ, that he was cursed to carry the sword, well, where does it say that, the book of Deuterectomy, ever wondered why Christ was cursed to carry the sword, have you forgotten it, just question marks to see, Christ cursed King David's descendants to carry the sword of King David because, he's got his noise talking about, let's see, did not Christ say he would come like a thief in the night, what exactly is it most modern Christians are expecting, sure, sure are a lot of variations of tribulations, big celebrations and huge expectations, that's kind of cool, variations of tribulations, big celebrations and huge expectations, kind of like that, looks like the thief is already in your house, do you deny it, man, this is good stuff, see, I got issues folks, I love this stuff, this is for me, it's like yeah, vacation time, okay, let's go on here, let's see, I find it odd that you have so much false information about the Baha'i faith in Islam and I know little about Islam, wait a minute, if you know very little about it, how you know what I'm saying is false, when I research it and quote their documents, have you forgotten that the modern Bible is two religions bound together in one book, where did these guys come from, I mean seriously, oh, you know there's got to be a section of the world where oxygen is not real prevalent and people move there and then they vote Democrat and socialist and communist and they write letters like this, okay, maybe your expectations are in the way or CIA funding, either way, the likes of Christ Muhammad, the Baha'ib, are manifestations of God, they all carry the same spirit of God, no they don't, it goes on, the attachment may or may not be for you, I'm not opening this up, it's hard to deny you are not a CIA operation with that much false information on your website, I didn't know I was CIA, that's new, hey, talk to my wife, hey, guess what, I'm a CIA, I didn't even know it, that's how good they are, wow, all right folks, there's the music, I'm out of here, may the Lord bless you, by his grace, I'm back on here, maybe on Monday, I think I have taken my wife to another doctor's appointment, we'll see, but we'll find out, anyway, God bless, have a great weekend, we'll talk to you then, bye.
