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The concept of Christian nationalism and its implications on the separation of church and state are discussed, with some arguing that a Christian identity is necessary for a nation's success, while others believe it can lead to corruption and oppression. The role of the church in influencing legislation and the importance of Christians being involved in politics are also explored, with some calling for a stronger Christian presence in government to counteract the influence of secularism and socialism.

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You can participate in the chat. If you like this video, please subscribe to this video. So if It's twisted in such a way that now it's a good thing so that we could well sins bad But the good thing is now we can become gods, you know, and it's just oh and I remember Stopping and realizing it and I remember looking at the shopping cart. I can still see it when it hit me Only the ungodly celebrates sin That was it This thought just flooded my mind only the ungodly celebrates sin and That that's how I summed up Mormonism, I remember that anyway, because the Email was about feelings. Okay, you feel the truth. In fact, let's go to the Mormonism thing I know that Mormon missionaries when I would meet with them and stuff years ago Haven't done it for a while lately. I wonder why they come to my house anymore I don't know what the deal is, but they would say after a presentation. How do you feel about this?

How I feel about it is that? It's full of crud. That's why I feel I wouldn't say that because they don't want to go with Logic, they don't want to go with evidence.

They won't go with Scripture. It's how do you feel and that's the basis for deception Because you're actually saying when you go with your feelings. Well the testimony from God.

Oh, is it really? Yes How do you know because he wouldn't deceive me? How do you know your how do your God wouldn't do that? Now my God know the true God would not do that.

How do you know? How do you know where's get it out of the Bible out of your feelings? What your feelings say he won't deceive you the true God won't but the God of Mormonism. Oh, of course He will because he's a false god You know an exalted man for another planet used to be a sinner as a goddess wife and so uh Yeah, that's what Mormonism teaches believe it or not, so I've had so many times talking to Mormons where it's not feelings.

What do you feel about this? How do you feel that I have a testimony? They have a testimony and I tell them my testimony I can you know is greater than your testimony, and I've never had a Mormon match my testimony I say so my testimony.

I too much. I tell them about my salvation experience. I say so um There's your testimony greater than that the very presence of the Lord. I mean not just a feeling his presence. He's actually there Have you got that no okay?

Well out of that. I bear my testimony to you that Joseph Smith was a false prophet I have the power of the Holy the authority the Holy Spirit by the authority Christ and uh whoo I'll tell you They don't like it, but look look what Satan and when look what? Moses wrote about this when the woman saw that the tree was good for food a delight to the eyes Desirable so what she saw and what she wanted Hey, I will I'll do is subject God's Word to what I see to what I think to what I feel That's what's going on there Anyway all that from the email the hate mail where the guy says we can feel God through heavenly vibrations Emitted by the Earth's core atmosphere so first of all Other vibrations emitted by the Earth's core.

I've never heard it. How does the Earth's core atmosphere? The Earth's core have an atmosphere West into the Hall of the Earth thing and then how how do you have heavenly vibrations from the Earth's core?

Because of the heaven not be earth so you see Sometimes when people write stuff they disengage the logic clutch, and they let things spin and I know I do I do heavenly vibrations And then they sign it off so Yeah, they're logic clutches spinning. Hey, let's get to Cole from Virginia Cole welcome. You're on the air, man Hey, Matt slick. Are you doing sir? Hanging in there hanging in there on a nice Friday. What do you got buddy? You told me to call you back today, man What about? Revelation to our rebel Revelations 21 3 you guys do you want to know I remember you know yeah, I remember yeah Yeah, and I remember that well.

I mean not to be mean, but remember you really don't really consider anything. I say you just Basically kind of dismiss it no I consider it, but you know I'm kind of grounded in what I what I see You know and what do you see what was your position together? Well, it's revelation 21 3 if you read that it's one verse Yeah, we hold the tabernacle of God as among men, and he will dwell among them And they shall be his people and God himself will be among them. Yes Yeah No, oh, okay, I remember now um Yeah, it says God is among them, but doesn't see they'll see doesn't say they'll see They'll see doesn't say they'll see him If you're gonna say that they're gonna be among us Because God is among us right now.

He is living innocent and dwelling us in the body of Christ Well, I'm telling you John 14 23 the Father and the Son both live in us So he's definitely among us in the presence, okay? Well, wait a minute hold on let me ask you one question Now Satan saw God right didn't Lucifer see God face to face uh most probably but I don't know. I think that's a good question.

I don't know. I don't know if it ever says Remember remember hold on let me let me hold on hold on okay, man You see you're not thinking you're reacting come on. Think do you know of any place in scripture that says Satan saw God? You can't just imply i'm gonna tell you let me tell you where Remember when even when Job where he went up before God and the sons of God he says look got Job accursed to his Face if you take everything he was out come on man come on.

He was the lead angel come on that You know he saw God face to face man. What what wait a minute. Let me ask you do you believe in the trinity? Do you believe in the trinity of course I do that's who that's who said, okay, the answer was simply the answer Hey, hey, hey, hey the answer is simply yes I don't need a bunch of stuff. Yeah, okay now.

Okay. They they saw God in the old testament, right? Of course Now that was not the father that they saw because jesus says in john 6 46 not that anyone can No one has seen him. No, so they have not seen the black in the flesh. That's in the flash Hold on. Hold on.

It doesn't say that And you can't add to god's word to change its meaning. That's what false teachers do Okay, wait a minute. Let me ask you let me ask you i'm gonna ask you one question and then we can cut it off if you want Okay, so what do you think? I'm gonna ask you one question and then we can cut it off if you want. Uh, Now you literally think god's gonna let us go through eternity without seeing god the father.

Are you kidding me, man? Are you really do you really believe that? Yes, absolutely Because uh the bible says when we get to heaven i'm gonna show you see matt. I see matt I told you we were gonna see god the father because we're gonna see him man I because the bible says that the father dwells in unapproachable light who no man has seen or can see first timothy 616 so we'll check that verse out and And uh imply it or working into all the rest of your theology. Okay, we gotta go buddy first timothy 616 Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages, please Stay tuned So It's matt slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276 here's matt slick Everybody welcome back to the show if you want to give me a call. It is easy.

All you have to do Is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to buskman Buskman, welcome you're on here Hey good to talk to you. Matt slick. Um, here we are ending up pride month And a question that has come by me that i've i've i've been pondering. I wanted your take on it matt Homosexuality whether it be male or female attracted to the same sex Can one can one be attracted to the same sex? attracted to the same sex And still be a disciple of the lord jesus christ by living biblically according to god's word and its precepts as how we are to live and act and behave and believe In order to obey christ, is it possible to be both? It's possible to Have homosexual tendencies and recognize that they are sinful and war against them and And be a christian, okay All right But not to practice them and and slick But yeah, and now what I would see that is is like I myself matt I live a celibate life though.

I'm attracted to women To women, um, and I have a friend who is attracted to men He's been this way since he was uh little Uh, he even wrote a book about it. You can learn about him. He's on the internet.

He he's been on uh, various christian talk shows and podcasts And uh, his name is george carne. I don't know. I just don't know what if he's good So I don't want that to be promoted.

I don't know if it's good or bad. Okay. Yeah, so understood understood So but I know him personally so I have met with him broke bread with him And he has insights that are pretty amazing.

So Uh, the question always comes back to me as bossman. Why don't you pray for him? He's not a christian He can't be because he's attracted to males and my response is well, i'm a christian and i'm attracted to females um I don't quite understand The walk if we both have a desire And we both take every thought captive to the obedience of christ And we conquer that desire We go the route that james has taught us when we are tempted. There is a way out and we take that way out Now, does it matter that i'm attracted to females and he's attracted to males? oh Being attracted to females is natural is what god has designed in in, uh, you know the males Uh for male to be attracted to female is not what god has designed. It's inherently sinful but You mean male attracted to male? Yes uh and uh So we can relate this to for example, let's say a particular person has a tendency to lie For whatever reason trauma as a child brought up in a home where it was just what was done And it's part of this this uh, this young boy Growing up and he he just always lies and he becomes a christian And he still lies And he knows it's wrong and he's oh my goodness. I can't do that, but I keep doing it I keep doing it again.

I'm not supposed to that's different. He has a tendency that is ungodly And he's warring against it. I would say such a person is showing evidence of salvation If a person male is attracted to another male That way and knows it's sinful and is warring against it. That's evidence of salvation Okay Awesome that makes perfect sense to me that that makes perfect sense Uh, that's that's my uh, that's my answer and i'd just like to say, um, pray for your brother busman I am going to witness to a bunch of uh, Uh lgbtqi plus folks tomorrow, hopefully to win something to christ I've been I believe challenged by god if not motivated and compelled by god matt To go to a very large pride event very close to where I live and minister the gospel I'm leaving the 99, you know my church people and and going after the one or many Uh, so I do pray that hearts would be opened um and and that uh The message of the gospel will be greatly received so that the deception that I believe is upon these men and women will be broken In the name of jesus christ because whom the son sets free Is free indeed. Amen.

Amen. So pray for your brother busman here in ohio Uh, i'll be taking that on uh tomorrow at 11 a.m. Until whenever cup sends me to go home Yeah, let's know how it goes. I just wanted to say that I will good. Thanks, man. You'll need protection.

I'd recommend it you have cameras And recordings and things like that. Yes Got that going on. Yeah, and I remember you talking about that earlier matt. That was great.

That was great advice Yeah, that was great advice. So I just want to say thanks to uh It is it is and uh, I uh, I just really I really do matt I want as many people in whatever their sin bondage is whether it be lgbtqi plus Or whatever that they be released because I know in my own life matt i've been released And this is an amazing life to walk in matt slick life listeners. It's an amazing life to walk with christ in freedom It's hard because the world still hates you and wants me, you know, put in a prison cell Uh, and some of them even want me dead But it is really the way to walk as a human being When we know who our god is so Thanks matt, and I really appreciate you all of your uh your information on karm.org I really press that on people and say hey if you've got a question Check out karm.org because he's been doing this for quite a long time and he's quite the scholar He's quite the scholar and I just want to thank you once again matt from the bottom of my heart. I appreciate it, brother Okay. Well appreciate that I wouldn't call myself a scholar but hey, it's nice So check it out and uh, everybody check out this site. Yeah, praise god. Okay God bless.

Thanks matt. All right Yeah, i'm sure people on our prayer team will be um, we'll be praying for him during that and The ours is in september here, you know in boise idaho area and each year I go out And I join people who are sitting outside the perimeter and um Preaching the gospel And what's really interesting is that when we do that? That there's a lot of people who who are pro-homosexual Who come out and they try and kind of surround us. I don't like that And they're loud. They yell they they scream They ask questions and we start to answer them.

They ignore they're rude um It's it's interesting and what they want from us is acceptance and yet they won't tolerate us The hypocrisy is simply there. All right. Hey, look if you want to give me a call, uh Uh, okay. Oh good. Okay All right, okay good, um, like I said my brother, uh, everything's okay, you know If you want to give me a call all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276 Give me a call it's easy to do and um We'll talk. All right.

We have nobody waiting right now. So let's get back to some of the questions and the emails that people have sent in And the like let's see radio comments and questions. Let's get to this one What is your view on michael heiser's teaching the divine council? I've already gone through that several times I did that a few days ago on that very question When are you going to debate chris fisher again? Who's chris fisher? Hey, i'll look during the break and see who that is God debated so many people. I don't remember all their names if you want to give me a call 877-207-2276 we'll be right back, please.

Stay tuned It's matt slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276 Here's matt slick Everybody welcome back to the show if you want to give me a call 877-207-2276 it's a nice friday. I watched the presidential debate last night the dems are doing um Damage control and uh, they're just imploding so it didn't go really well last night Okay, let's get back to the uh radio questions. Uh, when are you going to debate chris fisher again? Probably never I I keep files on everybody I debate now and So this debate happened on march 1st of this year And he's an open theist Open theism teaches that the future is open and that god does not know exhaustively what people will do Doesn't know exhaustively their actions Doesn't know them perfectly because if he did you wouldn't have free will it's faulty thinking But it's where they park their car and uh, let's just say they parked the car in the handicapped spot with no placard the logic placard, uh, so It's a it's a problem and I have my notes. Uh, the first thing he did was attack my calvinism And uh, and then he showed me that he didn't understand what it was. It's very often the case people who just attack it They don't often don't understand it Uh, and sometimes they do so i've met a few who understand it and can talk coherently about it And they disagree for varying reasons and I answer those objections.

We have good discussions, but generally speaking Uh, a lot of people just don't understand that they they attack a caricature and I remember once I was having a not official debate But you know open discussion slash debate kind of back and forth with somebody And he said uh something about uh, you know Your calvinism just teaches that god pre-determines everything and no free will and that's wrong. I said you're right. That is wrong He goes what? Well, yeah, it's wrong. Yeah, that's a wrong position.

That's right. He says but that's your position And I said no it's not it's not my it's not my position It's not calvinism's position either. He didn't know what to do. It was funny.

Any rate. Um, So, uh Uh, he was my notes. Here's my notes. He was condescending. He tried to poison the well yet. He accused me of doing it He accused me of being a platonist. He said I lied when speaking with duffy. Well, Uh, he asked the listener to be careful about what I said Wow so yeah, those are the things that um, it was bad and uh I think I remember saying never debate that guy again not because I can't beat him or answer him it's just because his incompetence was Was profound. It's just like are you kidding me? Go away One of those so anyway, hey look, there we go.

Let's get to Jennifer jennifer welcome you're on the air Thank you. I want you to comment on christian Nationalism because I hear people talk about it in different terms So if you could kind of comment on that and tell me If that's like an organization Is that part of the christian movement? It's a just a movement within certain christian areas But I don't know which ones and basically the idea is that people want uh christianity play a central role in the Uh the work of our nation in politics and society and things like that And then it needs to be more christian that there needs to be a national identification with christianity Which I think is a good idea Now how that would be done.

I don't know Because we need a national identity. We need to follow god the true and living god And the constitutional fathers wrote That here we have given you a constitution or should we given you a nation? Um, see what you know take care of it and then others wrote back in that day I said this this won't work unless the nation is christian and it's true Because unbelievers and the ungodly and principles can get in And manipulate things and we can see that like last night's debate and you know the dems I call it the democratic party to be a terrorist organization So we can see that but anyway the idea of religious identity and nationalism and uh A lot of stuff based on scriptural, uh warrant and things like that now how far that goes More of a christian identity like, uh, it's like that Uh, but that's what I understand. Uh, of course identity is a little bit more strict I think what christian nationalism teaches I should study it more Is the idea that there just needs to be more christian influence everywhere And okay And that's fine in government and how we absolutely Absolutely, okay. Could you imagine if real christians were really in government? Not taking bribes You know not uh, uh manipulating the doj or the fbi to go after political opponents just because we can imagine You imagine when they say yeah They say yeah, you have the right to protect yourself and the right to bear arms as jesus You know send the 2236 by a sword, you know, and and if you imagine, you know, the abortion would stop Oh, yeah killing of the babies.

That'd be wonderful You know, right? Yeah Yeah, because I just hear a lot of people talk about it And some positive some negative Yeah, and so I was just wondering um Um, what is that? Was it a movement or is it like a christian identity? Is it um, But I understand the concept of it Yeah kind of hear your thoughts when I was what it was Well, here's the thing about any movement Is uh eventually it'll just become corrupted And the reason is is because if you want to mess something up you just need people and time And so okay true christians who really do fear the lord And who would hold their offices in government? As a as a ministry and as servants to god Who know they're going to answer directly to him on the day of judgment? It would be different than atheists or democrat leftist wacko socialist morons Who uh just want to tax the crud out of everybody remove our rights? Uh, you know give our sovereignty away things like this open the borders up and be invaded, you know, um So in the surface things are good But what do you do after two three four five six generations of people who are in control? How do you know that they're christians really?

How do you know that they are christian nationalists? Yeah, this is everything has a problem. Everything has the potential of being um destroyed and corrupted And it's just how it's always been And then there's the issue of the church the separation of church and state which a lot of people think it's constitutional, but it's not The church separates the church state. No, it's not Nope Nope, that's a go look it up. It was originated in a letter. I think by franklin, but i'm not sure it's been a while So i've studied it And the idea was the separation of church and state was that the state was not to impose a religious system because that's why it wasn't england the uh the The religion of the church of england was the national religion you had to to belong to and so they said no We want separation Between that and if you read and I don't know if you've read it But you should read the constitution and the preamble and you'll see I do have a copy of it You should read it. Everybody should read the preamble and you'll see about issues of god in there and you'll also see stuff about The sabbath on sunday And not coming in to work and stuff. Oh, yeah, you'd be you'd be surprised But the the libos don't want you to study this stuff They want you to be indoctrinated by listening to cnn msnbc And a little bit of fox too so The idea of church and state I remember once um on the national day of prayer here in boise I was one of the the speaker pray guys And afterwards much of atheists were down there and they were polite, you know, they were protesting that that's all right I went down and talked to a woman and she said Separation of church and state and I said you don't want the the church to tell the state what to do Do you that's right separation of church and state and I said it's okay for the state to tell the church what to do and she Just stopped and stared at me and you could see the light bulb went on and she had never thought of it That way and I said because that's what's happening now The state is telling the church what it can and can do in the pulpit Where's the separation of church and state there and she didn't want to say she'd never thought of it because they don't think very deeply Wow, okay Yeah, yeah, because I hear people saying that too. They're like if you say hey, you know, we implement yourself Say, you know, we have to separate this They keep saying that you know, it should be separate No, they should who's that? So church and state why do they should do we want? You know if you had a hundred people in congress Who are leftist socialists? Who don't believe that they're accountable to god? Or you have a hundred people who are accountable to god and believe in following truth And not lying and not taking bribes Things like that.

Which do you think is going to be better? It's it's simple every socialist system becomes oppressive. Look at venezuela, and I have a timeline on my website about it Okay, it's ridiculous. Okay Yeah, it's and christians say well about homosexuality. Well, what about it people can be homosexual if they want to be homosexual Just don't impose it to everybody else Because they're forcing it down the throats of our children on movies and tvs And tv series it's all over It's all over it's pathetic Yeah, it's okay for them to push on us morals, but we can't do it in reverse. Okay? That's true That's true All right, we gotta go.

There's a break. All right. All right.

Thank you so much You're welcome so much. God bless All right. Hey folks, if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. We'll be right back It's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick Hey everybody, welcome back to the show last quarter of the hour if you want to give me a call Well, we gotta wait.

We got a full set. Let's go to dave from california. Welcome. You're on the air Hello matt, it's dave Hey, man, where were you in the meeting this morning Uh, I was uh too busy doing other things I haven't been feeling too good and I just happened to miss it That's all right. No big deal So what's up, big guy? By the way, ladies and gentlemen, dave here. I've known dave for how long we know each other 44 years Yeah, 44. We should be roommates and everything. Dave's a good guy.

So So what's up, big guy? I'm not i'm not sure I would want to admit to that in a public forum But then you know me that long listen Listen yeah, hey listen, I uh the last uh, the last caller provides a perfect segue To the topic I wanted to bring up and that's the uh, the idea of christian nationalism and so forth um uh And and how christians should uh should respond to their government uh, but before I address that specifically the um The letter that you're referring to the letter to the danbury baptist that was actually written by thomas jefferson jefferson, okay in in 1802 and the purpose of it uh, even though the words, uh, um Building a wall of separation between church and state was in there It was only the purpose of it was only meant Only meant to remind everybody that we don't want the government imposing a particular denomination or religion on the people and that's the purpose of the wall because you could imagine the government walking Or passing a a law tomorrow that says hey from now on Uh, everybody is going to is going to their theology is going to uh of the nation is going to be oneness pentecostal Or that it's going to be in this context a baptist or any other denomination or any other religion So the wall of separation was to keep the government from telling everybody this is the denomination or religion That you are going to believe and thomas jefferson segued that with the uh quoting of the first amendment Which says that the congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion but then he contrasted that with prohibiting the free exercise thereof So he made it clear that the person's religion lies solely between Them and their god and that government is not to impose any particular belief on people And that's the wall that jefferson was referring to it was to keep the government out of a personal beliefs not to To uh disallow or to prohibit the exercise of people whether they were in government or out of it Good stuff. Amen brother.

Um Yeah now along with that. Um, the uh, the state the great state of tennessee the legislature and the governor Have just passed a resolution calling for 31 days of prayer to start on july 1st And believe it or not. They're pretty uh, Pretty orthodox. They said that they recognize god as the creator king of all glory He has the authority to judge and bless the nations And that we are to seek god's mercy upon our land and not to have him withdraw his hand from us Recognizing our sins and shortcomings as we humbly ask forgiveness And then he goes to list some various things that are predominant in the landscape right now violence human trafficking addiction corruption And and ask that the holy spirit fills our halls of government Now we had a very large church here in southern california pick up on this And he announced his congregation that he was going to ask them to pray and fast as possible Uh during the whole month of july and so I thought it would be uh, it would be apropos If we did the same thing and put out to all the listeners that um, this would be a good time for us to get on our knees and ask god to To you know forgive us our sins and bring us back to a nation that was founded on christian principles We have a lot of political things coming up as everybody knows in the next six seven months. So It's it's going to be uh, quite a quite a time of testing and trials for our nation and our and us as people Yeah, good stuff that's it brother Hey, I agree. And uh, i'm i'm glad that uh, you called in and offered that clarification. It's really good So yeah, we gotta Yeah, I appreciate it man.

Good stuff All right And you know people people should know because we're not taught in our history books what an influence the bible and christianity's had on our nation going back to the beginning and although Uh, you know many of the founders might not be what we would call evangelical christians um There's there's no doubt that the the influence of the bible went a long ways towards us giving you had mentioned the con The declaration or the constitution towards giving us what we call our natural rights And that's our natural rights enshrined in the in the amendments to the constitution, uh, at least the first 10 Were were essentially based on things that the government is not supposed to do they have no authority to grant us The authority to do those things we get them as a result of being creations of god And that's why they excluded the government from imposing You know restrictions unreasonable restrictions on our on our amendments And and that was the basis for it was a christian world view not at a hindu world view not an islamic world view a christian world view And that's what makes america such a such a great place because we've inherited that Inherited that and tell them what you are retired from if you don't mind Well, I I used to work for the federal government I was a uh a u.s board patrol agent for 26 years and um, and I retired from that and uh, Matt found out I had a little bit too much free time on my hand. And so, uh, He uh, that's your fault me shall we take kicking and screaming into uh helping out with some activities in carmen It's it's truly a blessing Well, it's your fault for retiring, okay, so it's like hey dave, what are you doing? So, uh, but you do a good job here with uh at carm, too So really appreciate it and thanks for the clarification again.

I really do. That's good stuff, man It's a letter to uh, all right. Thank you brother. God bless your listeners and uh, and you and our and our nation. Thank you Thank you.

Amen. All right Good stuff good stuff. I've known dave a long time.

He's a good guy. All right, let's get to daniel from phoenix, arizona Welcome you're on the air Hey matt, how's it going? You hear me?

It's going now. Oh, yeah, I hear you. Oh, okay.

What's up? Yeah, I missed you I heard you're I heard you're at apology at church, uh last week In phoenix. Yes in uh in salt lake city. Yes.

How'd you how do you hear that? Oh, it felt like oh salt lake city Oh, okay. That's what you're in phoenix No, oh salt lake city. Okay, you're at the one in uh, salt lake city. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, um about about kind of what you guys were Sorry Um about what you guys were talking about as far as uh getting involved in legislation Um, that's kind of that's kind of what we're doing right now in arizona with uh, apology at church, uh pastor jeff urban and i'm involved i'm involved with helping him and um There's this uh ballot initiative for abortion to amend the state constitution in arizona And so what they're doing is people are going around getting signatures And they're trying to amend our constitution to make abortion legal up until birth is what this constitutional amendment will do Up to birth And they're and they're going around And they're telling people Uh, these petitioners they're telling people it's only up to 24 weeks. It's only up to viability But they're not paying attention They're not paying attention they're lying yeah exactly and so we want the church which is asleep in arizona They're I mean, they're asleep. We want we're trying to get them to to join us And our efforts that we have That i'm not going to mention but we have efforts We want we're trying to get the church involved But kind of like what you were saying in the last caller was saying in the caller before that Is this is why the church needs to be involved in legislation? And not the leftist or the unbelieving worldview dictate what the believers Do and so, um What do you think about I was gonna say what do you think about the church?

their inactivity and specifically in regarding to like Like what I just mentioned like the state constitution being amended and how? how uh Tragic that is going to be in 20 30 years from now if they just if they keep doing this And what that could have how that could affect our generation By the church not stepping up What are your thoughts? Well, yeah, the church needs to step up and uh It's just they need to step up the church needs to Get off its rear and uh start getting out in the streets and sort of behaving like christians instead of just hiding on a sunday morning Yeah, that's that's what I say. Yeah Yeah, I have uh talking to christians at work and stuff like that.

I'm trying to get them on board. I asked him this question I say tell the other members of your church who have a problem with Politics or theonomy asking this question This question do you want our legislators to glorify god and writing laws into legislation or do you not? Because if they answer yes to that question then you tell them okay, then what are you doing about this? Right and that and that and that's that's the mindset we we we don't have When we're thinking about these issues like you said earlier, it's like It just it just hit that person when you when you told them that We gotta when it comes to legislation. Do we want god to be glorified in the laws that they write?

Or do we want the evil one to be glorified? Exactly And that's why christians They need to be taught the principles that are so prevalent in scripture about our involvement in all things of the world And it needs to be taught But I think that if that were to happen that pastors would lose uh congregation members because people are are Acclimated to a weak christianity a weak theology a weak understanding of of things and uh, that's probably what would happen So but it needs to change. Yeah, and it usually changes with persecution You know it usually changes exactly Yeah, yeah, and I i've called I've called probably over 100 churches just in this last week Because of an event we have coming up is regarding these issues in politics and just crickets No, not one has said they're going to be attending It's crickets. Oh, here's the email 100 phone calls It's and We got to do better.

Yeah, but I just wanted to hear your thoughts. That's right. Let everybody else listening here as well Yeah, it's called churchianity Churchianity, yep, you're right and we are about 30 seconds or so left this show So say hi to the guys down there for me at uh, apologia And uh, keep it good work. Yeah, it's good stuff. I'll let jeff know you said hi Yeah, and uh, you know, i've talked to jeff i've talked to him about a year but uh, you know We did a conference together up in canada and they had to meet him there and and uh spent some time together as a good guy I know i've met james white too and a great guy But you know just say tell him I said hey match. Look you called in said just say hi And keep up the good work down there.

They need We need more people like them Absolutely Oh, yeah, absolutely. Thank you. God bless. All right, man. God bless All right There we go. There's the music we are out of here. May the lord bless you and by his grace back on here on monday Hope you have a great weekend and just fyi will not be live on thursday friday because it's the fourth of july weekend and uh Uh, there you go. So I hope you all have a great evening and by his grace. We'll talk to you next week. God bless everybody Bye another program powered by the truth network

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