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Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live! And, as usual, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276.

I do a half hour show on Mondays, and this Monday is November 27, 2023. I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving, a good week off, or kind of off, or whatever it was. Mine was interesting.

Yeah, we'll get into it, but, you know, life gets to be, you know, sometimes. But get this, I had to cook our turkey, and everybody said it really turned out really well. I've never done it before, and I gave it a shot, and they were all surprised. My wife couldn't believe how good it was. I couldn't believe how good it was.

And everybody liked it, so I guess miracles do happen. So, there you go. And I went to a church yesterday. I want to talk about that a little bit. I'm being let down by sermons. And let's see, what else?

I think that is it. So, hey, give me a call, 877-207-2276. And also, if you are interested, you can email me at info at karm.org, info at karm.org. You have a comment or a question, just put radio comment, radio question in there, and we can get to them.

If you're a new listener, you're just not quite sure what's going on. Matt Slick, Matt Slick Live is my real name, Matt Slick, my birth certificate and everything. Learned to run as a kid because of that name.

And it works great for radio. And so, I'm a Christian apologist, which means I defend the Christian faith. I do debates, write books, website, radio, teach, and generally I'm epistemologically and ontologically obstreperous sometimes with a lot of name per seflage. And I use logic to inculcate. There you go. How about some of that? That's a sesquibidilian stuff.

Sesquibidilian means someone who likes big words. That's me. So, there you go.

All right. Now, I'm going to complain a little bit. I got to be careful. I want to be careful because I was frustrated. Lately, there are some good preachers in the local area here in the Boise, Idaho area.

The two churches with good preaching, they have kids in the service. And that's okay, except I can't handle it because of my hearing problems. And I have really loud tinnitus and it's very loud.

I'd wear hearing aids. And when there's kids in there and they do stuff, I get distracted and I can't enjoy the sermon. And so, I'm not knocking that. That's fine. It's just a me issue.

And so, because of that, I can't go to the two churches where the preachings were good. And just what it is, you know, okay, you got to deal with what you got to deal with. So, aside from those, I've been checking different things out here and there. And man, you know, it's just, so, generically speaking, generically speaking, what I'm seeing, and I've been talking to others about this too, and a lot of them are seeing the same thing, is the text is used as a springboard for illustrations and stories. And I'm appalled by that. You know, so, I was in a church recently and they had a guest preacher. And they, the preachers, you know, here's a text, go to the text. Okay, great, great text. And spent two minutes introducing the text, what was going on.

Okay. And then got into the text and turned, started turning it into step one, step two, step three. And I hate that kind of stuff.

It's just me. Step one and step two and step three. It's as though people, pastors, teachers are trying to make the text relevant. Look, you know, if you just read it for what it is, it's not going to be clear. So, I got to help you out and do step one, two, three, four. The five steps to whatever it is, a healthy marriage.

The seven steps to, and people like the simplicity. I think they're being robbed. I think the congregation is being robbed. I'm serious. And I'll explain why. And so, you know, I'm not saying I'm a great preacher. I'm not saying I got it down right. But, you know, I preached over the years and many, many times, you know, hundreds of times. And, you know, I believe in getting to the text. If you're going to have a text you're preaching on, I'm kind of weird. I think we should get to the text. If you're going to go to a text, say three or four verses, what I would say is start off by reading the three or four verses. To me, it just makes sense. The people are there in order to get fed from the word of God. So, in my opinion, what should happen is you should focus on the word of God.

You should start with the word of God. Now, maybe, you know, you could do an illustration, or a little intro. I get it sometimes. Some texts are pretty tough. I understand that.

And sometimes you need a little bit of something. Okay. But don't have any illustrations or anything like that.

Illustrations should be there to bolster the precise topic at hand. And that's okay. You know, and that's okay because Jesus did that, used illustrations in the form of parables.

Not a problem. But the text, I'm getting the impression. I'm getting the impression that the pastors don't believe the text is very powerful.

It needs to be fixed and helped along. That's the impression I'm getting. Now, call me up and tell me what you think. Or in the text, you know, if any of the rooms you're listening to me right now. Tell me what you think.

I want some opinions. I'll read them over the year. And so, I get dismayed. And so, okay, one sermon recently I was listening to, and the gentleman went to this text and started with point number one about this.

I'm not going to get into it. And point number two about this, I go, oh, here we go, the steps things, you know, and this is what you. Okay.

That's okay. Sometimes a text can warrant that. And then went to a book.

Just a book that someone had written, an authority, and spent several minutes on the book, quoting the book. And I just got up and walked out. I said, I'm done. And I just left the church. I just went, oh, I'm out. I did. I walked out. I mean, I didn't, you know, huff and puff. I just, okay, no, this is not for me. And I left. So, it was disappointing.

And I've done this before where I just got, you know, just disappointed. I remember once I was at a church in a local area. And you know, people would say, hey, this is a really good church. Go check it out. Okay, good.

I will. And so, I still remember this. Coincidentally, the pastor at this other church, which I've never been back to, he went to one of my favorite sections of scripture. And I'm going to read the four verses, the first four verses of Colossians 3. This is what he read. I'm like, this is incredible. This is so rich.

It's so good. And this is what these four verses say. Therefore, if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you will also be revealed with him in glory. Now, there are four verses. And you can make four sermons, one per verse, easily. Easily.

All right. Well, this depends. I mean, pastors can do that. You can do 10 verses. You can do one verse.

It just depends on what the Lord's leading them to do, the Lord's leading them. And so I thought, okay, this is going to be awesome. There's so much rich stuff here. You don't have to get super deep, but oh, this is just good stuff. So many good things to teach the congregation. And the pastor, he did theological stone skimming.

You skip stones, stones across the surface of the water. And that's what it was. It was like, just barely touched, didn't go down deep into anything, didn't get into some heavy stuff.

And it was just a scoop, a stone skipping on the surface until it was dead. And about halfway through that sermon, after I'm done, I just left. And maybe I'm uppity. And that's a concern I've got because I'm thinking, am I just looking down my nose at everybody now?

What is it? I got a problem. I got a problem. And so it's like, oh man. And when I go to different churches, this is what I'm hearing.

What is wrong? Look, therefore, if you have been raised up with Christ, you know, right there, you've been raised up, which means you've died with Christ. You go to Romans 6, 6, Romans 6, 8, the federal headship identification. We were in Christ from eternity past. Keep seeking the things above.

What are those things above? The word of the Lord himself is the holiness of God's presence because God is holy. 1 Peter 1 16. That's where Christ is. And you go to Acts 7, verses 55 through 60. You could talk about that in the ascension of heaven, seated at the right hand of God. And what does that authority mean in the right hand of God?

This is what he has in that position as man right now, both natures, two natures, God and man. There's so much there just in the first verse. None of that was talked about. I remember it. In fact, each time I drive down the street, it's a street off the main street. Every time I go to the main street, I look over at that, but that's what I remember about that church. And I haven't been back. Okay. Am I whacked? Is something wrong with me?

Well, I mean, besides the obvious, all right, as far as this goes, besides getting rid of all the other issues, which are multitude in this, what do you think? Are you guys having the same kind of a thing? I got to tell you something too, though. Here's a warning. I remember I've told people this in Bible studies that I teach. And I've told them, I said, look, when you start learning the theology, the skeleton and the meat on the bones of what God has revealed in his word, a lot of times what happens is you start not appreciating sermons as much. You go, well, you're just skimming stones across the surface here. Come on. You know, are you going to get deep?

Let one of the stones drop down and let's follow it down where it can go. And I've had people tell me that that's happened where they're, they're getting dismayed with sermons now because they realize what the richness is of God's word and the pastors aren't getting into it. Now I do know some pastors, like I told you, I do too. And they do a good job and they get into stuff and I'm fed, you know, praise God, but I can't go to those churches because they have kids in there and the kids are, you know, a little bit loud and distracting. And because of my audio problems, my hearing problems, my hearing problems, I can't cope with it very well. You know, combine that with my, my Asperger's. So that's, that's on me.

All right. That's a thing I have to learn to deal with. But a lot of times you go to these churches where the kids are out and, and, uh, you know, adults and, and, uh, and that's fine. And then the sermons are milk toast.

And then they play, they play Hillsong, like, oh man. So anyway, let's see what some of the people are saying. Great point, Matt. I'm not sure I can hear much of the church now I attend, but he experienced it.

Okay. Right now, John 637 is gripping me. For days, really, John Bunyan wrote an entire book on that one verse. Well, there's so much to talk about.

He'll put that verse afterwards. Anyway, we have a break coming up. If you want to give me a call 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. All right. I want to welcome back to the show.

Guess what I just found out. I checked some emails and I do a doctorate program on Monday nights and I just found out that it's canceled for tonight. So I can do the whole radio show on Mondays. I usually do half an hour instead of the hour. So I'm just letting you know, we're doing the whole hour. The producer can just text me in the chat that they heard me say that and, uh, and get going. So there you go.

I'll do the whole hour. Yay. And people are saying, Yay. You remember, that reminds me, you ever, uh, remember, um, Tom slick, the cartoon character, Tom slick and, uh, Tom slick, you know, in his thunderbolt grease slapper, he's on your tail.

He won't, he won't quit because there's no such word as fail to Tom slick. Well, anyway, um, so, uh, when he would win a race, I love to have the crowd, you know, they would go. Yay. It was great. I enjoyed that. So, uh, yay, Tom slick and, Oh yeah, that's right.

Uh, Renzo when, um, when Tom slick came out, one, when I was a kid and I saw him on a Saturday morning cartoon, I went, Oh, I'm going to get it on Monday. I'm going to get it. And, um, sure enough. Sure.

Hey, hey, man, you got a brother, Dave Tom. Well, here it comes, but it was fun. So, uh, there you go. There you go.

All right. So, um, got some calls coming in. I think eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Someone said that, uh, I was reading John six 37. They said, it's just Paul Bunyan spoke a whole bunch.

I think I misspoke there. Uh, John six, 47 says all of the father gives me will come to me. The one who comes to me, I certainly will not cast out. That is a heavy theological verse. All of the father gives me will come to me.

This deals with the Trinitarian eternal communion and the eternal covenant spoken of in Hebrews. Uh, where is it? 10 27.

No, it's not 10 28. I gotta find it now. And, uh, what she said all gives me will come to me, which means that they come because they're given. And when it comes to me, I will not cast out. See, there's this, Oh, there's so much theology in there. I love the Bible.

I get a big kick out of it. I do. All right. All right. Now I'm waiting for confirmation from the producer.

If you can just tell me the text that, do you know that I'm going to continue with the rest of the hour because my class got canceled for tonight. All right, let's get to Scott from Spokane. Hey Scott, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, how's it going?

It's going so, uh, good. What do you got? So I have a question, um, with Isaiah 42 verse 19. Okay. And the question, it's hard to form it. I'm just really wondering what is he saying? It sounds like, it sounds like he's saying, uh, his, his own messengers and his own people are deaf and blind, which sort of throws me off.

I don't really get it. What verse was that again? Um, verse 19. Chapter what?

Uh, 42 42 19. Who was blind, but that my servant who was deaf, I messaged whom I send. Well, yeah. Context here.

You deaf you and look, you blind that you may see. Yeah. It's a condemnation obviously. Uh, the blindness of the people of Israel looks like what has been going on and um, yeah.

Okay. So that seems to be what's going on because Israel very often made a lot of mistakes and they would turn their back on God. Um, so what, what's, uh, what's the question you got then related to it?

Well, I guess my question is, it just seems, um, well I think, I think where I'm going wrong here is for a second, I thought it might be, um, describe, uh, might be about the Messiah, the future Messiah when he says my messenger, but I just now realize it's not capitalized and it also wouldn't make any sense. So, right. So yeah, I guess that pretty much solved it.

I just thought maybe there's more to it than, than the playing, you know, Israel being blind and deaf. Yeah. Just because word messenger or servant is, or doesn't mean us where it is that, but, uh, let's see. And, uh, and, and even though they're not, um, multiple, it's a singular, so it sounds like it's talking about one person who he's describing peace with God to. So I just, this sounded odd, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's often the case because of what God will do through the word is, uh, I'm not sure.

So, uh, what will happen is, um, God will speak differently through people and Isaiah the prophet here in this case, speaking to different individuals and then some mental switch. And so you've got to pay attention and that does happen. So, you know, that's what it is. It's not the big deal. Okay. Well, yeah, I think that's all I got. Okay. All right. Well, good. Yeah.

That's a lot. I appreciate it. Okay. Okay.

God bless. Bye. Talk to you later. All right. Now we may have a little bit of an issue here at the bottom of the hour, because I told, you know, on Mondays, I, um, I only do a half hour and they set up a log and they set up something to do that. So I may or may not be able to continue at the bottom of the hour.

It doesn't really matter. I don't want to mess these guys up because I didn't find out until just now. So, you know, things like that happen. He's probably, he's, he's panicking.

He's going, slick. Uh, but that's what happens sometimes. So I'm smiling on my end. And when we get to, uh, and okay, we don't get those. So I don't know.

Okay. So back to this issue of the preachers and teachers, and I do want to hear from you guys, you know, email me at info at calm.org. Is it my imagination? I don't know. Maybe it is, you know, maybe I'm just too, too needy.

You know, I want to, I really want to get the meat of things because I believe there's meat everywhere. And I believe that the preacher teacher, the job is not being done because check this out. This is what Ephesians 4, 11 and 12 says. Oh, I can continue. Okay, good. I'll continue. Thanks a lot there. So I will do the rest of the half, the rest of the show.

Okay, good. So here's Ephesians 4, 11 and he gave some as apostles and some as prophets, some as evangelists, some as pastors and teachers, verse 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service of the building of the body of Christ. So this is what a lot of, uh, uh, Christians are surprised at for the equipping of the saints, the people in the congregation, the job of the pastor teacher is to equip them, is to get them knowledgeable, able to understand and defend the faith. Now that doesn't mean everybody's going to have eight degrees and be able to write books, but you know, different levels of people and the pastor is supposed to equip them generically.

Different people have different strengths and weaknesses and that's okay. But overall, that's what the purpose of the pastor is supposed to be. The pastor teacher, see for the equipping of the saints for the work of service. This means then that the, the pastor, not a female pastor, but the pastor is supposed to equip the Christians for the work of service to God.

And I just kind of get the impression that they're being babysat and given milk, you know, coochie coochie coo. Here's a story for you. Okay.

And I have a problem with that. Let's get to Jonathan from South Carolina. Jonathan, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey Matt, thanks for taking my call. I actually commented on your show, probably last week, a YouTube comment talking about my wife, she's a soft egalitarian. She's not, I don't even, she's not even aware of the term, but I'm basically, I came to reform theology probably two years ago and it was just a big, long process. Like I come from a charismatic Pentecostal background.

Um, so there was a lot of dissecting scripture and learning and, and a lot of reading on my end and I probably would have leaned egalitarian, uh, prior to now. And, um, now I'm definitely complimentarian. Um, but I'm, I'm, I, I remember you telling on the show before the past. Okay. We're going to break. Okay.

Cause those who don't know, complimentarian means a man and woman have separate roles in the church and compliment each other. Egalitarian means we'll get right back to these issues right after the break. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. All right.

If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get back on here. Here with Jonathan. Okay.

Jonathan, you're back on there. Yes. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Yes.

I'm here. All right. Can you hear? Okay. Yeah.

There's some background or something there. It's probably me. I'm I probably shouldn't be calling by driving. I'm going to pull over right now.

I had, I had a chance to make a grocery run and I, and I saw you were live. So if you're calling, let me stop real quick. Maybe you can hear me better. I got four kids, so it's a little hard to get away. I hear that.

Can you hear me good? I hear you well. Yes. Okay. Okay.

Um, I, I, I, I'd try and simplify the question. Um, but so as I was saying prior to my, I come from the Pentecostal charismatic background and my whole family is that as well. Um, I came to reform theology and like I said, back to scripture, but, um, I'm trying to, our church is, you could probably say they're non-denominational, but I'm trying to leave the church now because of them having women pastors.

Um, they will probably call them speakers. And a lot of times they'll say, I I'm guessing by their, the women, when they speak, the pastor has given me authority. Um, and your articles have helped big time.

Uh, and Karm has helped a lot. And I, and I remember you saying going before the pastors and bring all the information and discussed it. Um, and I, I plan to do that, but I'm just trying to, is me going to another church without my family? I don't, that's what I'm struggling with right now.

Whoa. Okay. You're the spiritual head of your family and, uh, you need to lead your family.

So you're responsible. If they're going to a church that has women pastors and elders, which is clearly unbiblical, you need to set this down with your wife and say, look, this is, this is it. And here's the reasons what the Bible says. And I cannot support it as, as my, uh, as a Christian man. And so, uh, I didn't want to go to that church and I don't want you or the children to go there anymore.

Now, she said, I don't care what you want. Then there's an issue of, of marriage counseling that needs to occur at this point. But, um, uh, that's what, that's what I would do.

I'd be very gentle. And you say, this is the reason why as a man of the house, I just can't permit this. I won't support it. And if you want to go and you go against what I'm saying, we're going to have problems.

Uh, it's going to be a big problem. And, um, and you know, you can't force her, but that's what I would say. Sure. Be gentle. Okay.

Yeah. I, I think that the way we grew up while she grew up, I kind of see, and I don't want to, um, presuppose on her mom, but I see that her dad just passed away from COVID, but, um, her mom very domineering in the family and the father was definitely passive in the family. And I think she's, she, my wife has, and I don't, I hate even saying the scene, but she's toned that down of what she's probably learned from her parents, just by example. Um, she's definitely learned a lot in God's work in her life, but, um, there's, and I have brought this to her and I've, everything's set in stone. I'd actually have a meeting with the pastor. I'm going to meet with them, um, to discuss the matter. I don't think I'm going to change his mind and I know he's not going to change mine, but, um, but I I'm also semi-staff there.

I'm a musician there. So I'm now, so I'm, I kind of got to have the meeting because of that and, uh, you know, uh, leave the membership and all that stuff. But, um, uh, but yeah, I, I think that's helpful. And I think that's kind of what I've already, she already knows the position and she's actually looking up, uh, apologetic answers on her side as well.

And, and I've already showed how bad they are. It's not even funny, but, um, but yeah, anyways, but, um, yeah, I think it was very helpful. Let me volunteer.

Let me volunteer my help. If, if you want, if your wife is curious or if you think is necessary, I'd be willing to do a phone call with you guys and just, you know, answer questions and just go through the theology of it and, you know, be very gentle because I am. And, uh, you know, on the radio, I just get to the point because, you know, it's radio, but, uh, if they, if you want that, we can do that, you know, if not, that's okay.

I love that. I don't know if she's willing to, she's, she's pretty, I mean, she's softened up from this before I, my whole family was angry at this. I mean, I'm talking about like, you know, and because I've been studying the matter, it probably makes them more angry because they don't study the matter.

Um, so probably they don't feel like they're able to defend it, um, their position. Well, at least, um, but yeah, I, I, I will try. I don't, like I said, I don't, I can't force her to do anything. Um, I think we have a good relationship in this, in this area, but, but we'll see what happens down the road.

I'd love for her to come to the same church. That's for sure. Well, you know, it's a tough thing. And, uh, as I was talking in the opening segment there, you know, how bad, uh, churches are getting, at least in my experience was subjective and limited, but, uh, I'm hearing the same kind of thing. You know, it's pastors are giving stories and illustrations and three steps to whatever.

And I just think it's, it's, uh, you know, it's, you know, skipping stone theology is not deep. And so it's a problem. So you can have a problem out there. You're going to have a problem, but, um, would you say, can I ask one more question?

Sure. Um, what would you say with me sticking within Timothy two, uh, chapter two, would that, would that would be where I need to stay with, uh, the pastor? Um, cause I know there's so many positions, a cult of Artemis, uh, uh, there's all kinds of positions.

I feel like that's their best one, even though I've heard a lot of the egalitarian's not having any footnotes to the matter or even providing any footnotes to it. Um, so it's kind of a, what, what do you think my best route to discussing with pastor is? Uh, go with scripture first Timothy two, 12 through 13 or 14, actually.

And, uh, you need to go there. You need to go to first or Timothy three 15, because he says he's giving instruction. The context. He's giving instruction on how to conduct himself in the household of God. So he's specifically giving instruction to the church. And then the first few verses of chapter three of first Timothy three, you know, an overseer, an episcopas must be the husband of one wife. And, uh, so, and read through that and deacons must be men of dignity.

Okay. And then you want to go to Titus one. So those are the places where you want to go. Mainly there's other stuff, but Titus one and uh, verse five, you know, elder and overseer and interchangeable.

Yes, they are. And you'll see there. Okay. That's why I wanted to make sure you'll see that if you read Titus one, the first few verses that, that relate to us five through seven, eight, nine, and also first Timothy three, you'll see how they're used and they're used interchangeably. Okay.

Bishop and you'll see that. So, and you have to make a big deal out of that. But, uh, the thing is it says, uh, that the elder, you know, must be a husband of one wife and ask, how could a woman do? Well, you see, it's just culture. If it's culture, then why did Paul say, because Adam was first created.

It's not culture. And why is it that you're not submitting to the scriptures in this area? And, uh, you know, and, and say, he's given instruction, what we're to do. And the elders are to be men of one woman. Now you might say, well, what if they're not married? Well, you see normatively supposed to, the men are supposed to be married because they were married by the time they were 18, 19, they were married and to have one wife, not any wives. That's just how it was. And people got married very quickly, very early because their, their lives were, you know, they died in their forties. So they had to get married soon.

A lot of times people live a lot longer too, but anyway, that's the thing. And it says, have children who believe, well, what if you only have one kid? Well, then you can't be an elder, right? That's not what's going on here.

He's giving instruction. Then what they'll do sometimes in light of that, they'll say, well, then it doesn't have to be a male because you're not taking it literally. You say, well, what's happening is, is all the usages of this are of the man and assumed of the man and the conditions of the man, never a woman. And particularly first Timothy two, 12 and 13, where he says is because of Adam's first created that that's the called federal headship and the primogeniture also, these are terms you're not familiar with, I guess, but these are the things that are going on. And so that's it. And ultimately it rests in the doctrine of the Trinity as well, which I haven't gotten into yet.

So I can do a video teaching series on this so people can get to this and stop being heretics. Yeah. So, okay.

So that was my next one. Is it, is that kind of how I got to view this position of people that take that position? Yeah, it's a heresy. Is it heretical? It's heresy. Heresy means a deviation from the truth. This is a heretical teaching. It doesn't mean they're not Christians.

Okay. Just because you could have heresy in Adiaphora. You could have heresies in the essentials. Now there's damnable heresies and there's non-damable heresies. This is a non-damable one because people are just ignorant, but once they're corrected, they should repent.

If they don't repent, then you can't trust them. And that's what I say to people. That's what I was curious about. Yeah. Yeah. It's right there.

It's the total denial of the truth. It's right there in front of them. Yeah. It's right there. And I tell people, stop going with the culture.

It's supposed to be the other way around. Men have responsibilities. I could talk about this a lot, but there you go. There's a break buddy.

Let me know what happens. All right. Thank you, Matt.

Thank you, brother. Okay. Bye. Okay. Hey folks, we'll be right back and we'll get to Dana next.

Talking about Genogent. We'll get to that a little bit. Hey, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. I'm going to welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We got Dana waiting, but I can't access Dana.

So the producer has got to make a click or a switch or do something. There we go. Let's get to Dana. Dana, welcome.

You're on here. Hello. Hi. Hey. Hi. First I just, I love listening to your show.

Okay. I was just on the same page with you when it came to looking and getting nothing from a lot of these dead churches. I'm in a journey where I've been searching out for a good church and lately for the past two years or three years, I would say I've been at home and I've found out so many things that there were lies that was just straight out lies. And, you know, I didn't know I was brought up in the church and my grandmother, I was in a Baptist church. My great-grandmother was a evangelist.

My uncle was a Bishop. You would think, you know, I thought I had it all, all knowledge. I just knew come to find out. I really didn't know anything, you know, and there's a table heartbreaking. My heart broke.

My heart has been breaking because of how the, just how the people are and all the lies that come along with it. Now lately I've been listening to Gino Jenkins, and this is where the question come in. I don't know too much about him. And that's the thing.

Billy Graham, that's what I started off with. You know, I grew up with Billy and I went back to that in your face, be direct, just, you gotta know. But after he took you to the point where you come through a pen, you want to still learn. You still want to get knowledge.

It's the hardest thing. It is easier for me to go to a store and try to buy drugs. I don't do drugs.

Try to buy drugs to find a church that actually is genuine. And, um, it's a hurtful thing. And all I was wanting to know really is how I feel. What is your opinion about Mr. Gino Jenkins? I like Billy.

Billy is right. But he has been opening my eyes to some things that, and he goes straight from the Bible. He reads right from the Bible. And I know we can't take everybody's interpretation, but he comes straight from the Bible. It's not his word.

It's God's word. And I just wanted to get your opinion about that. Well, I'd like to be able to give a well-informed opinion, but I don't have a well-informed opinion about him. I have to research him to see, but he does call himself an apostle. And you generally speaking, when someone calls himself an apostle, there's an association of other problems. And that's not to say that he's guilty of that.

And then there's the issue of other apostles and prophets for today. And so, uh, I would, uh, I would be reserved and, uh, about him. So that's as much as I can, I can say it.

I've got an opinion, but I don't have it backed up enough to be able to say, of course, I wouldn't be watching him, but yeah. Yeah. Oh, so, okay. Well, I know I didn't understand, but you see the directness of coming from the scriptures and I get in a Bible and I was reading along with what he's saying. Now he does seem different, but I thought it was like a, I don't know, but a woman's supposed to have the head covered. Like when you go to church, he makes the women sit across from the men. Like what the Lord wants. Like you can't listen to regular music.

Like I will listen to some 80s music, but he was saying, you can't listen. You're talking about different things. So, uh, give me, let's focus on one issue.

That's okay. One issue, one question. Let's kind of focus on that because you kind of want different things, different directions all at once. So, you know, uh, what do you want to ask?

Let's kind of focus that a little bit. As a woman, should I be covered? Should I have my hair covered? No, you don't have to. It was a cultural thing back then as a symbol of the authority that it's over the woman, because in the culture of the time they wore, uh, head coverings and it was also spoken a man should not have his head covered.

And so this is definitely a cultural thing. And, uh, so you don't have to worry about that. Okay. But if you want to have your hair covered, that's okay. Some people do. And I, I up here in Idaho, there are men and nights and they, I'll see them in stores and they had their heads cut.

Women had their heads covered. I like that. I think it's cool, but it's not a necessity. So I wouldn't worry about it. Okay. All right. Um, is listening to music that's not gospel. Okay.

I'm not talking about dirty, nasty, lustful music. I'm just talking about, you know, nice, you know, feel good. I know we got to put God first. God is first. God is first. But don't, like sometimes I be feeling guilty because I'm not sure what the balance is.

And I do know as I read the word, he does reveal things to me. Um, now let me let you know that I'm, I'm just calling into the show. Cause I just like to ask you questions. I'm on a radio station. So I was just wondering, you know, can I listen to some eighties or slow listening or easy or classical? Of course you can. You can't, you're free. You're free in Christ, but you don't want something like that to gain control over you and sort of reciting stuff. And, uh, so because for example, I have a, I'm autistic and have hearing problems. And so, uh, the kind of music that is soothing is heavy metal.

And so, uh, I hear certain sounds it's calming. Well, it was at a sin. It was at a sin. No, it's not. It would be if that music was influencing me and causing me to be ungodly in any way, then, you know, get away from it. So different people have different names like jazz. I, I can't stand jazz.

Okay. I can't stand it. Other people love it.

Praise God. And if you can listen to jazz and you think it's great, it's okay. And it's the same kind of a thing. Or can you watch news? Because news is secular based. Well, you can watch news, right? But it comes from the unbelievers and they're giving their bias and stuff. You can watch that.

No one has a complaint about that. Watch different kinds of news. Well, everything's okay. Except we can't watch, um, or listen to that kind of music.

Well, we have to be consistent. What I say is, is you're free in Christ because all things are, are acceptable, but you don't want to do anything that's going to be sinful or stumble anybody else. And you don't want to be controlled by it. So, and you're wise in that you don't want to listen to the really bad stuff.

I mean, come on, you're doing the best. I won't listen to that stuff. And, uh, but some sounds are really good that for me. And so I like some of those and then what I'll do, I'll go over to praise music and shift over to praise music and love that. And then do some reggae. And I love reggae, you know? So, you know, it just depends as long as it's not controlling you.

And as long as it's not stumbling anybody else, you're free. Okay. Oh, I think we lost her.

Yeah, we did. I was just talking there. So that's a, here's the thing folks is that we are free. Don't use your freedom for sin though. You don't want to do that.

You don't want to use your freedom. Oh, that means I can do all this bad stuff. No, no, no. Or I can listen to all this bad.

No, no, no. You have to be discerning about what you will watch as well as what you listen to. You have to be discerning. You know, I was watching, um, my wife and I have all things. We like to watch, uh, car crashes and it teaches us how to drive better.

So we'll go to YouTube sometimes once a week or twice a week, maybe we'll watch car crashes. So we were amazed. Oh, look at that. Why is that?

All right. And, um, oh, I got brought up for a point. What was it? I was going to bring it up for a point. What was it?

We watched car crashes. It was really important. It was related to what I was going to say. And I completely forgot about freedom in Christ.

Oh, I remember now. And so we were watching this one, had a lot of good stuff in there. And this guy was narrating some of these crashes and was using the Lord's amen thing. And I said, I'm done. I'm not going to watch it.

And so went to another one where it's just crashes and no, uh, you know, no, um, commentary. Well, I don't need to hear that stuff. I don't want to hear any instance of the Lord's name in vain. So I don't participate in any songs. I don't listen to it. I don't, I don't want that.

I don't listen to it. And so that's a, that's a, you know, that's a standard. And so we need to have our standards when it is, we're listening to something and watching something. And then, uh, we have to be careful what movies we watch. And so my wife likes the, who done it kind of mysteries, you know, documentaries in real life, kind of who done it's and, and things like that. And I always tease her a teaser said, Hey hon, there's a show on people die in it.

You like it. You know, she just stares at me, but cause it's the, who done it's, you know, documentaries and true crime. And she loves those kinds of things.

And we watched those. And as long as you're not using the Lord's name in vain, it's a big thing for me. So I don't let that influence me. And, uh, we're free. We're free in Christ. But remember this folks, don't use your freedom as an excuse to sin. You do not want to use your freedom as an excuse to do anything. And you can go to Romans 14 and it says verse 14, I know and I'm convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but to him who thinks anything's unclean to him, it is unclean for if, because of food, then you could take this and you don't even do music.

You can do eighties music, nineties music. They didn't have that kind of stuff back then, but you use food as a, a thing. It was a very important thing that for the Jews and for people eating. And he says, uh, you know, in Romans 14, 15, if because of food, your brother's hurt, you're no longer walking according to love.

Do not destroy with food him for whom Christ died. And, uh, don't be let what is a good thing for you be spoken of, of evil. So you have to be careful of how you listen and watch in your private home versus out in public. We're not talking about hypocrisy here.

We're talking about the care of not unnecessarily bringing a challenge to somebody else that doesn't need to happen. And, and, uh, but it, of course you should have godly limits in what you listen to and what you watch should not be anything pornographic, not be anything where wickedness is glorified at not to be the case. Uh, you know, and I won't watch things where fornication is glorified. Homosexuality is glorified. Nope.

I just change it that fast. And so I'm free to watch those if I wanted, but I choose not to because I don't want the secular paganism to be part of my life and my memory. Now, when I do research on these things, then I get into the mindset and I go research them so I could speak about them on radio at a conference or write articles about them. So, uh, that's that. And, um, as we got to have, have peace. Okay.

And we're free in Christ because we've died with Christ. That is, is the point we've got to go, got to, uh, check out. All right. So there you go. And, uh, Hey, thanks for listening.

We've got a couple of minutes left in the show. So, uh, about the women pastors and elder stuff. Um, women are not supposed to be pastors and elders, period. If you go to a church where they're there, you should leave. You shouldn't be participating in that.

And what I'll do is here yet again, I'll offer this polite challenge. I'm willing to fly out someplace and, uh, we can arrange who pays for what and all that. Come to your church and have a formal moderated debate.

Does the Bible support women pastors and elders? That'd be the topic. And, uh, I'd be willing to do this and it's going to be recorded and, and, you know, videotaped and stuff. Uh, and I've been offering this for maybe, I don't know, 15 years, I guess, on the radio. Uh, I don't know, but many years and I've not had a single person ever take me up on it ever. And I believe it's because they know what the scriptures teach, which is different than what they want to do. And they know I'll ask them difficult questions. And they, I believe that they don't want to face those difficult questions or they think it's not worth fighting over. They have their opinion just to, but the thing is the Bible says, if you have an answer, everyone would ask.

And I'm asking, I'm asking for the, uh, the egalitarians to, uh, defend a position from the Bible, which I don't believe they can. Anyway. Hey, there's the music. I'm out of here. May the Lord bless you and by his grace, we're back on the air tomorrow, Tuesday. I hope you have a great great evening. And so God bless you. Everybody will talk to you tomorrow. Another program powered by the truth network.