Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. I'm Matt Slick and today's date is September 29, 2023.

If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. And just by way of reminder, I'm going to be down in Salt Lake City tomorrow and we'll be out there at the LDS General Conference. I'll be out there holding up a sign ismormonismchristian.com and I'll be with some friends and we're just going to be rude, not going to try and get in the way of anybody. We're just going to hold this up because we want to reach the lost who are trapped in Mormonism.

And then I'll be preaching on Sunday down in Provo at City on a Hill Church. And the URL for that I think is just cityonahillut. I think it is. Let me make sure. Let me check this note.

Let me make sure that Laura will put it in here in a second. Anyway, if you want to come by and we're going to have eats afterwards. The church starts at 11 a.m. so it's kind of late in the morning, which is good. I love that. And then the service will go on for an hour, hour and a half, whatever it is. And then we can have eats afterwards. So if you want to show up just for that as well, that's fine too. I'm going to say hi.

We would love that. Cityonahillut.org. All one word except for the dot org, of course. And I think that is it.

Pretty quick and slick. And I was just on another radio show for a couple of hours and I forgot the name. I'm so bad with names. I can't remember the name. Let me type it in. And I'm bad with names, but if it was numbers I could remember it. But I'll tell you where I was in a little bit.

Let's see. Let's get to Justin from Georgia. Justin, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How are you? Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Doing fine. Hanging in there, man.

What do you got? Awesome. My question is, have you seen the new Cessations movie that they put out?

Oh, it's already out? I've known about it. I know some of the people involved with it. I think Justin Peters. Who else was it?

Andrew Rapaport. Who else was involved? Right? So I saw it at the G3 conference.

They showed it there. I don't know where I'm at right now, man. I was a continuationist and now I watch the movie and it was kind of convincing, but I know you hold a continuationism and what arguments would you give or advice on that particular topic? Okay, let me ask you some questions.

If God wants to today cause someone to speak in tongues, can he do it? Yeah, of course. I believe that. Okay, then you're not a cessationist. Yeah, I mean, I heard what you said about when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. I don't see how that could be anything else but Christ.

Absolutely. And there's another verse. 1 Corinthians 1.7, okay, and it says there that you're not lacking any gift, any charisma awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now, I've heard some pretty slick ways of getting around this, that they weren't lacking it while they were waiting as it's only applied to them. It's like, give me a break. God can cause people and he still does it.

It happens all over the world. We know it. The gospel goes forth. Cessationism, full cessationism is ridiculous. Partial cessation, I could see that.

I could see that, you know. But no more apostles and prophets like there were back then. No one has the gift of healing, etc. You know, I don't buy that. But God can still certainly do that. It's simple. Yeah.

Yeah. So what, I guess, a further question on that topic would be, what would you say like a word of knowledge is? You know, I can tell you, I can tell you what I believe it is. It's not defined in scripture.

So I was out at the swap meet ministry back in 1981, give or take. Now, I'm not using experience to verify anything. I'm not saying that's what you need. No, hey, this happens, so therefore, scripture is a final authority.

But I don't believe cessationism is taught in scripture. So, and I have my friend who this happened with. He's downstairs, actually. And we've known each other since 1980.

And we're going to be going down to Salt Lake City tomorrow and three, I mean, tonight. At any rate, so he was there when this happened. And we've talked about it before.

So at any rate, this guy came up, well, I'll explain. We had a swap meet ministry. We had a booth that we were paying for. It had a tarp and a cover. We go out on the swap meet, southern California, the orange drive in off the 22 freeway, which is no longer there.

The drive-in is. Yeah. He's gone. And we would set stuff up. We did it for two and a half years, or I did it for two and a half years, and they switched off. But the thing is, we pass out tracks. Okay.

That's the setting. This guy comes up. I still remember him, dark haired, slender, about 5'10". And he's talking to me about what's going on. And he said, oh, I used to believe in this stuff, but not anymore.

And this went on for a couple of minutes. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, I looked at this kid, and I just knew. I knew what his relationship with God had been and what he was denying in God specifically. And I told it to him. And his eyes just bugged out, like he could not believe what I was saying. And I just knew it was true, and that God had been speaking to him.

And it's hard, he'd been denying it, and a couple other specifics, which I've forgotten now. And then it suddenly ended. And then this guy literally stepped back a step, shook his head, and stumbled forward as he walked away, speechless. He was shaken. I turned back to my friend Dave, and I said, did you feel that? And he said, yes. He felt this presence. And he also told me that while that presence was working, it was as though a mirage of scintillating light, you know, I see in the road, you know, in the distance, was all over me.

He said, he watched it. So, you know, I'm not saying, hey, that's proof. But, okay, there's something, you know. Yeah. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, it happened.

Yeah. Again, I don't offer it as proof. And then once I prophesied over a girl, and it came to pass. Now, okay, and I used to, and I don't say this very often, but I used to, so often it would be that someone would say something, and I knew something about what was going to happen soon. And it happened a lot, so much that my wife started asking me, what about this, what about that?

Because she's very doubtful. Right. And so I didn't like it.

No, no, no, this is weird. And I just kind of dismissed it. And so I don't do it anymore.

But I still get these impressions. Now, I'm not saying it's proof of anything, and I'm not saying it. You know, but there are countless stories all over the world of people seeing things happening, and knowledge and stuff. It's just all over the world. It's only in the comfortable Christianity of America, where everything's given what you need, that Cessationism is really kind of prevalent. A lot of cultures, Christians in the world, they just laugh at that.

They go, are you kidding? God works all the time miraculously. You know, so. Yeah. Well, thank you, I appreciate it. Sure. So, just consider yourself a modified Cessationist, that's what I am.

It's not normative. God can still do it. There's no apostles and prophets today. No one has the gift of healing, unless God calls a person to go into a hospital, and you do this for a month, or whatever. He can do it. It can happen. Does it happen?

That's the question. Are people raised from the dead? I don't see why not. Can we have languages bespoke and we don't know? Yes.

I heard Chuck Smith talk about it once that it happened in a church, and he verified it. I mean, you know? Yeah.

Do what you want with it all. Yeah. Oh, oh.

Alrighty. Are you Reformed by any chance? Yeah, I'm Reformed.

If you go to my website, CalvinistCorner.com, CalvinistCorner.com is my website, and go down there and look at the experiential Calvinism, or Charismatic Calvinism and Experiential Gifts, or something like that, and there's documentation from George Wisher, John Fleming, and John Knox, where they moved in the Charismatic Gifts. Document. I remember you mentioned that one time, because in the film they mentioned about all those times in history where it was like it didn't happen, and I just wondered about it historically through the church, when it's been in action and then yet. Yeah, and the film has angered me from the beginning.

I've known about it for a couple of years. And I said, why are you guys doing this? You're causing division. I said, I'm going to have to do something to refute what you guys are saying in the film, whatever it is. And I said, how come you don't have me in there and give a counterposition?

And this always happens. I say, counterposition? I'd be glad to show you that.

But people don't want it. I don't know if they did it. Let me ask you. You've seen the film.

I haven't. But did they have any counterarguments and counterpositions, speakers? No, they didn't.

They did not. And the thing was, that it kind of irked me about it, was it was kind of divisive, man, because they put like Sam Storms, they put Piper, and I think Michael Brown in there, and it was kind of like this condescending vibe towards them. And I was just like, man, like they're brothers. We shouldn't be biting into that. We're a matter of cessationism, you know? Yep. Yeah, I've known about it for a while. And I've been upset by it.

I've talked to the guys, some of the guys. What are you doing this for? You're causing division of the body of Christ. And have me on. I'll be polite.

I'll give you the other position. Well, we've considered it, you know, the people who are involved with making it. Okay.

Nothing. Yeah. And you say that, you think so. Here you go. Okay? Yeah. Thank you, brother. All right. All right, man. It's a hot topic for me because it cost me a great deal, my position. It's a history thing, but it did. It cost me a great deal.

And I have to write about it sometime, but it cost me a great deal. Okay? All right. Thank you, brother. Have a good night. All right, man. You too. God bless.

All right. Wow. So much to talk about. Let's get to Alan from Virginia. Alan, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, man. How are you doing today?

Let me check. I'm okay, I guess. Busy like always, I presume. Oh, man. Oh, yep. You got that right. So I remember speaking to you yesterday about the Trinity a little bit. That wasn't the full focus.

So one thing I spoke, but I didn't necessarily get into, maybe I misspoke. Before Jesus, is it accurate to say that the Trinity was God the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit? Yes. Or you could say the Son. That's fine.

Because the eternal generation of the Son in their relationship and all that was gone from eternity. So yeah, that's fine. Okay. Yeah. I was trying to make sure, because I looked at one of your articles where it mentioned like the Son of God or something like that, and I think you said in that article it only occurred after Jesus was born. Right.

And so I was trying to make sure I wasn't misspeaking. Right. So the eternal nature of the Son is that from the eternal covenant, Hebrews 1320, that's what I believe it is, is that the Father chose to elect in Christ, and he's called the Father. And so then the Father had a Father-Son relationship, and Christ was, the Word was always going to be the Son.

So that's why we would say Father, Son, Holy Spirit as his eternal. That's why. Okay. Yep. All right. So that was it.

My last question is, so I noticed you have some courses at learn.com.org, is that right? Yep. Okay.

Do you know of any additional coursework that you supply? Oh, that I do? I'm working on stuff. Yeah.

Hold on, we've got a break. Okay. I have nothing released, but hold on, we'll get to it. Hey folks, I ask that you stay tuned and pray for this ministry, because I certainly need it.

We need it here. In God's grace, we're back on the air after these messages, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. I think I'm on the wrong one. Hold on, we'll get back. Let's get back over here to Alan. Hey Alan, sorry about that.

I clicked the wrong guy. Hey, no worries. Keep you back on. Okay. All right. I don't know if you were mentioning anything extra about the course stuff when we're heading to the break.

Yes. I have some stuff on devotions. I got to go over again and polish up. I've got a course work I want to develop on hermeneutics, how to interpret the scriptures. Then I want to expand either the apologetics area course or develop a sub-course out of it on presuppositional apologetic methodology.

I'm thinking about doing another one where it's advanced stuff, where I just go through some advanced concepts of apologetics, namely with the Trinitarian nature of God, how it relates to the one and the many, monism, Platonism, atomism, how they interrelate, the static mind problem and singularities, all kinds of stuff like this. So I'm thinking about doing that as well. Not to mention my videos, which I got to do.

So busy. If I would have to choose, if all of them are kind of the basic level as you're kind of explaining, I mean having like one advanced course I think would be what I would prefer out of all of that, if all of these are the beginner courses. Yeah. Well, they're beginner, but I throw intermediate stuff in there and make it sound beginner. The advanced course, I would just say advanced theology slash philosophy, because people think, well, philosophy can't do that.

Yes, you can. And in Colossians 2, it says don't be held captive by vain philosophy. Philosophy is just the use of logic, and Paul used it in Acts 17. So yeah, some advanced stuff, which I did a little bit of it last night on my Bible study, but I like to codify it, so yeah, that's a good idea.

Okay. One more thing about the coursework stuff. So I noticed, I was looking at the FAQ on there, and there's three of the six expandable questions were actually lorem ipsums, so I don't know if you knew that or if they're work in progress or something like that. I don't even know what you're talking about, because so much I'd carve it to say it.

Where is it? So one of them is the how long does it take to, how long does each school course take to finish the expandable menu for that really, um, there's three of the sixes, Laura ipsum, which is Laura ipsum. I don't know, because you can do that manually, but I think there is auto lorem ipsum sometimes you can figure.

So basically, the whole point of Laura ipsum is it's meant to have like a variety of characters and stuff and to allow you to read the format of something without being biased in the format of it with like words from a language, if that makes sense. Yes, and thanks for pointing it out, because they're supposed to be filled in. And I see exactly where it is.

So thanks. I mean, you know, if karma is so big, and I'm doing so many things that it is difficult for me to keep track of everything. But luckily, we have someone like Laura, who can go in there and take a look at that, and she can work on it. We have a guy named Ernie who does other stuff in social media stuff. We've got people helping.

And boy, do I need a lot of help, and not just mental kind. We'll check it out. All right. Thank you, Matt. All right. Okay.

Well, God bless. You too. Bye. Okay. All right. Hey, folks.

We'll be right, I mean, not right back. Hold on. I got to do something here. I gotta hang up there. And so one minute. It's one minute, John.

$60 rent. Hey, brother. Thanks a lot. We're going to have to talk. I'm on the road going to Utah tonight, because it's been a whirlwind with my D-min stuff.

Man, it's just sucking up all my time. But I'm going to get scheduled. I'm going to get scheduled. We're going to do it. I got a lot of stuff we're going to do.

Got some more ideas. We'll talk. I'm going to give you a call. All right. We'll talk on the road if you want to do that. You can text me on the phone and say, yeah, call me. And then we can do it. All right.

Let's see. The next longest waiting, I think, is Jose. Jose, welcome. You're on the air, man. Hey, man. How are you doing today? Happy Friday. Busy.

Muy busio. That's how, that's what it's like for me. So what do you got, man? I understand. Yeah, yeah. I just want to follow up on that first call on cessationism.

Sure. I recently saw this video, I'm guessing that we're talking about the same video with the other first caller. I think it's called cessationism film or cessationism film. I'm not sure exactly what the title, but anyway, they're pretty much saying that, uh, all these types of lost labia during all these experiences are mythism and there shouldn't be practices within reform camps and church. And I kind of see that as an abiding issue going on. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. What did they say shouldn't be?

Wait, I want to make sure I understand. What did they say should not be done? The things that were like the cosmetics that we have in, like they say, lost labia, they're pretty much exposing all these, uh, cosmetic goods on, on the video. There's a lot to expose, but I'm sorry. What did they say should not be done in reform theology?

What was the specifics? Uh, so they're saying to be reformed is to, um, it's to be cessationism, cessationism, if I'm not mistaken. So they're saying, right, that there, that no reform should be practicing charismatic gifts because it's done with, yeah, I'm reformed to, you know, I'm reformed to, and it gets me, it gets not charismatic as well. But I understand that there is a, you know, there's a, there's a, also, you know, the hyper charismatic where you have the NER movement. I understand that has been, um, you know, they've been abusing the spiritual gifts. I understand that, but I think, I don't think it's fair that you, um, you have sense forms and, and John Piper, it kind of like, I guess I give them in a way.