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We have people coming over to the house and I teach. We're going through Romans. I think we're starting around, where are we starting? Romans 3 something.

Let me look at my notes. It's going to be good. Let's see.

Yeah, that's right. I think we stopped at verse 8. We're going to start at verse 9 and this is going to start getting into varying theological issues like total depravity and human free will and things like this. We're going to be slowing down and I'll be teaching on other things that are related to this.

For the next several chapters, this is going to be happening. There's going to be all kinds of discussions on what propitiation is, justification, imputation. It's going to be just really deep but slow and it should be understandable to the average Joe because what I like to do, if you want to hear, but what I like to do is take complicated things and make them understandable to the average Joe because it just takes time to figure these things out, right? What I've done over the years, I think, is learned how to explain certain things like the necessity of the universals in particular as it manifests in the one and the many. Now that's been a challenge to be able to discuss and make understandable to people because it took me a while to get it.

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It's a spice used by Chewbacca in Star Wars to put on his meat. We finally figured that one out. And so we like to have fun with names.

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The only one I've met in person in here is Laura. And that's it. Okay. There you go.

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All right. Let's get on the phones here with Jacob from, I guess, Wisconsin. Jacob, welcome.

You're on the air. When people attribute... You're breaking up. You're breaking up. Try it again. People expect what? When people attribute to the human nature of Christ, do you think... You're breaking up so I can't understand you. You're coming in and out, so I'm missing a lot of the words.

So I don't know if it's your location, your driving or what, but try it one more time. We'll find out. My question is when people attribute divine attributes to the human, do you think that threatens the truth and its effect? Something about attributing the divine attributes to the human?

That's just the human nature. I tell you what, Jacob, once you call back, let's see if we can just get a better connection, okay, because I can't follow you and I won't be able to answer the question accurately and properly if I can't hear you. So just call back, okay, because sometimes we get bad connections.

All right, brother, call back. Hey, let's get to Laura from North Carolina. Laura, welcome. You're on the air.

Hi there. How are you? Oh, I'm a little melancholy, slightly tired, a little bit irritated, but I'm okay. You're irritated. A little bit, yeah, because I'm irritated because I can't sleep as well as I need to sleep, and I have so much to work on. I've been working all day, and I get irritated that I can't sleep as well because it causes me to slow down.

That just bothers me. This is cool. I'm watching you on the computer.

I can turn the volume down so I can actually see you at this time. All right. I feel you. I'm irritated, too, because actually I'm just, I got COVID last week, and so I'm just so full of research and all. I just get more ticked off is a nice way to say it, you know, what's going on in this whole world.

But thanks be to God, I'm in this world, but I'm truly not of it. Anyway, my quick call last night is about, I'm always seeing the number 11-11. I mean, since, I don't know, since about 2008 or so, and I remember when David Jeremiah's Turning Point magazine came out, and the cover said, or one of the articles said, 11-11. And my eyes after I fell out on the floor, and I was like, oh, wow. Anyway, and I research, you know, and I see 101 and I dream numbers, and a lot of... So do you have a question, though?

Yeah, right. I mean, what is that, what do you think about that? We just see numbers. A guy called up yesterday, we talked about 666.

I see the number 153 in different places. You know, it's just a thing. The brain is really interesting because it can pick up on numbers that you normally wouldn't even pay attention to, and phone numbers, and driving down the road, and you can see a lot of stuff.

Your brain is taking a lot of information, and if you're fixated on a particular number, the brain will actually pick up on it, and you'll go, there it is again. Well, it might just happen statistically as being normal. So I really don't put too much credence in it.

Okay, I don't. I have had a few... Well, a lot of times, even if it's you or the other pastors on Truth Radio or something on the computer, I'll be writing out of the Bible, and I'll be writing it. Sometimes I'll have the TV on, and it happens at three different sources. I'm writing out of the Bible.

The pastor on Truth Radio is saying, bounce out to what's said to the Lord. At the same time, I'm writing that out, and sometimes... Oh yeah, okay, that happens. I'm a writer, and I'm just... It happens. Anyway, I'm on a different subject. It's not a big deal.

I'll be on the radio here listening to people and looking up a verse while they're saying it, and they'll say the exact word I'm reading sometimes. It's no big deal. It's just coincidence.

What's that? That's definitely the Holy Spirit that says whatnot, but that's how I... No, it could be. It could not be. Look, we live in a world where statistical probability says that certain events are going to appear coincidental. It's a bell curve of reality.

It's just what it is. I wouldn't worry about that. One of the reasons I tell people, don't worry, don't get fixated on this, because it could become a control over you. Now you're afraid every time you see the number.

You have to see it three times a day, otherwise you can't go forward. People can have different kinds of things that are attached to it, and that's what the devil wants. If God wants to communicate to you with numbers, he'll make it clear.

He'll make it very clear. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's embarrassing. Oh, no, I'm talking about, it's almost like it's confirmation. I'll be writing out of the Bible, and the pastor will be saying the same thing, like you just said, and I'm like, I really feel like it's the Holy Spirit talking to me, affirming that. Well, it might be. It might be. It's possible.

I just can't say that all situations are or aren't. God certainly has his way of communicating. In fact, I don't tell the story very often, but when I was younger and I was sliding, backsliding, the Lord used number patterns to scare the crud out of me, and it was so beyond the norm that I knew it was from him, and there was no doubt in my mind, and it was confirmed. But that's the only time that's ever happened, because I'm autistic and I see patterns and I like numbers. Well, then he spoke the language that was familiar to me, but it was exceedingly clear. It was very clear.

I went to my roommate and told him about it. He goes, yeah, the Lord told me the same thing, and it was confirmed. Okay, then people say, well, that's wacky. Well, maybe, maybe not, but the thing is we've got to be careful not to just fall into this kind of pattern thing, pareidolia. We see patterns. We see faces in toast and things like that.

You get a piece of toast. Look, there's a picture of Jesus on it. That must be from God talking to me. No, it's called pareidolia, and we can see. What I'll do for fun is sometimes I might be sitting in an office someplace, and I'll stare at a wall. I'll see if it has any textured patterns. I'll look for faces in the wall, because with light on certain angles, you can see certain things. Oh, there's one, because it's called pareidolia.

You just find patterns. Oh, look, that looks like a guy standing. That looks like a guy, you know. That's cool.

I'm a photographer, and I just started up photography again. That's really cool to know. Yeah. It's just no big deal. It's true. And different people I think he talks too differently.

Boy, he does. I'll be able to figure it out. I try to quit doing that and lean on it to my own understanding, and I quit trying to figure it out. There's no use in figuring it out.

Come on, man. That's wasted time. That's great. Don't worry about it. Stick with what Scripture says.

Don't go with patterns, because that's like astrology, looking for patterns in the heavens or numbers that show up, and then you go to a seance. No, no, no, no. Just stick with Scripture, okay? All right? Well, take care. You too. God bless you. Take care.

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Let's get to, let's see, Clement, I guess, from Utah. Welcome. You are on the air. Yes, Matt. How are you doing, buddy? Doing all right. Busy.

And this is my break doing radio. So what do you got, buddy? What's up? Yeah. Okay.

I have a buddy from Trinidad and Tobago in the Caribbean. He told me and asked me to ask you about the, has it been bound up and changed for a thousand years? If it's literal or not?

Yeah, that's a good question. So I'm looking at the text, Revelation 20, verse 1. So let's go through it.

All right. Then I saw an angel. Now, John is having a vision, and now he's going to see an angel. I don't have any problem with seeing a literal angel.

I don't have a problem with that. Coming down from heaven. So an angel's descending out of the sky, descending down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss. Now, when we say key, car keys, we say a key to a metal lock, because locks are metal mainly. So is it a literal key? I would say no, it's not a literal key. A key to the abyss and a great chain in his hand. Would it be a literal chain?

Of course not. It laid hold of the dragon. The dragon's not literal, and it says the serpent of old. Now, that would be literal, because that's the serpent in the garden, and who is a devil, and Satan, same name reference. That's literal, and bound him for a thousand years. Now, is that literal or figurative?

So this is the thing. A lot of people say, incidentally, that a thousand years is automatically literal. It may be, it may not be. But we get back to the issue of the chain and the key. Those are not literal chains and literal keys.

They are representations of something that's occurring. So it's not a literal chain that's binding Satan. Now, I must say that it's certainly possible that God can work something miraculously where there is a physical chain that is somehow around the spirit of the enemy and is binding him.

That's certainly possible, but it doesn't seem to fit the case here and stuff like that. So what I just say is, look, the key and the chain are representations of whatever it is that is binding the enemy, because what John is doing is seeing a human representation of something. So the angel apparently is real, but then what's he seeing?

Because let's look at this. If he's going to have a vision, say we had a dream. You and I had the same dream. Let's say I had a dream. We had a dream.

We're talking about this very same dream, let's just say. We both saw an angel coming down from heaven in our dream. Is it a literal angel we're seeing?

No. We're seeing something in our mind. Is the angel going to look exactly like what we think?

Maybe, maybe not. It's a representation in a dream form, the same way a vision would be, more or less. But some visions can actually be seen things that are real. So this gets complicated. A lot of variables coming down out of heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. So what we would see in this, if we were to act this out or have a movie be made, an angel just flaps his wings, slides down from heaven, and there's a key and a chain in his hand. And he's coming down to get to the devil.

He grabs the dragon, the serpent-looking thing, and chains him up and throws him into an abyss. That's a vision. So we can't say that the chain is literal and the key is literal. What we would say is that these are actual representations and it's something that's actually happening. But it's not a literal key, a literal chain. He's having the authority, key, and the power, chain, to bind. And that's how we would interpret it and then put him in there for a thousand years.

So if people want to say the thousand is literal, that's a problem in the context. But, you know, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, okay? Okay. I'll transfer it.

I learned something tonight. Thank you. Sure, no problem at all. Well, God bless. God bless. Okay. Okay. All right, now let's get to Jacob again. All right, Jacob, let's try it again.

Are you still there? So when people attribute divine attributes to the human nature of Christ, do you think that threatens the true humanity of Christ? Yes, because it's an error in categories. So divine attributes attributed to the human. So let me talk or write this out of my notes.

I keep a record on what the calls are about, their timestamps for later stuff. Jesus has two distinct natures, a divine nature and a human nature. They are different natures.

They're not the same nature. There are certain properties that belong to the human nature. There are certain properties that belong to the divine nature.

Now, I'm going to back up here and give a little bit more theology. We are made in the image of God, Genesis 1 26 through 28, and the image deals with what's called the communicable attributes. The communicable attributes of God are such things as he can love, we can love.

He can hate, we can hate. He can think, we can think. The incommunicable attributes are such things as he's everywhere, we are not everywhere. He's eternal in the past, we are not. So he has certain attributes that belong to him, and we have attributes that we can share from him that are reflected. So in the human nature of Christ, we have the imagio Dei.

That's Latin for the image of God. The imagio Dei of God in the human nature. It's not to say that the human nature is divine, it's not. It doesn't say that we have the attributes of divinity because the attributes or characteristics or properties emanate out of the essence. So the human nature is one thing, and it can only have properties that are regular to that human nature. The divine nature will have properties that are regular and explicit only to that nature. We cannot take the attributes of one thing and attribute it to another and actually transfer them over. The reason we can't do that is because the attributes emanate out of the essence. So I have my cell phone in my left hand and a drink of water with a little juice in it in my right hand. They are different things.

I'm showing them on camera for those who can see. The attributes of a phone, for example, is to be able to make calls at long distances. The property does not exist with my cup.

The cup has circularity at the opening and has volume in the container for liquid. That's not the case for the phone. So the reason that they have different properties is because they have different natures. So though there can be a correspondence of nature, for example, God loves and people love, that's because remaining is image and it's the imagio Dei.

Like I said, it's the image of God. So having said this, it's not the case that we can take the human attributes and attribute them to the divine or the divine attribute them to the human because it's a mixing of attributes. It's also implicating the mixture of the natures. And this would become what we call monophysitism where we have the two natures of Christ becomes a single new nature and then the attributes of those natures become kind of a divested thing.

I won't get into that. There's another doctrine of error called eutychianism where the human nature and the divine nature are so intermixed that they're indistinguishable. That's a short way of saying it. And therefore then in eutychianism it would seem as though they could attribute the human and divine attributes back and forth to each other.

But they can't do that. That's heresy. The proper teaching is that there's only one person who's Jesus, but within the person of Jesus are two distinct natures.

This is called the hypostatic union. So in the one person of Christ is a divine nature and a human nature. The attributes are described as a single person.

One person has both attributes, but the natures retain their individuality and uniqueness in the person of Christ. We'll get right back to you after these messages. Please stay tuned.

Hope that helped, folks. And we'll be right back after these messages. All right, well welcome back to the show. Let's get back to Jacob.

Jacob, are you there? So with what you were saying, would you say that's one of the best arguments to use against the Roman Catholics when they say that Jesus is omnipresent in the Eucharist? No, because what they're saying is that the presence and the nature of Christ are distinct and distinguished from the essence of the Eucharistic presence, or wafer. So they'll say that the wafer, here's what becomes inconsistent.

I'm trying to think, you might have a better point in that than I'm thinking. They say it's in with and under, transubstantiation. And the confusion rests in the issue of the blending of the natures of the bread and the body. And I've heard and read where they say it is only retaining the appearance of bread and is no longer bread, but has been transformed into it, so its nature has changed. So then they would say that, and this would not violate the laws of logic here, but what they're saying is that the nature of the bread changes. It retains the physical appearance, but its nature is different and it's the nature of the body of Christ, so therefore when you take it you're taking the body of Christ.

So they wouldn't be violating logical category mistakes or stuff like that in that case. But wouldn't they be saying that the body is omnipresent, because they're observing it all over the world? That's a problem. And I've asked Catholics, is it not the case that a human body is by definition in one place at a time?

Yes. Then how can Jesus' body be ubiquitous? And they say, well, it's just a mystery. And what I'm doing is showing them, just from what you're getting at, is that there's a problem when they say that the body of Christ is in multiple places. And I've had them say, well, we don't know what God does in heaven, so therefore it can happen.

And these are all arguments just from flat-out ignorance. And so there's that. And plus, I'll say, well, look, did they actually drink the blood of Christ? Yes.

Before the crucifixion? Yes. But you say that the Eucharist is the sacrificed body and blood of Christ, right?

Yes. Then how did it happen before the institution, before the sacrifice? That's a bit of a problem for them to work out. And the other thing is, well, Leviticus 17, 14 says that Jews are not to drink the blood of any flesh.

So was Jesus breaking Levitical law by telling him to drink blood? And they have a problem with that, too. They have their ways of trying to get out of it, but their ways aren't very good. They're not very sound, logically.

Anyway, okay? And in Luke 22, 20, when Jesus says the cup is the new covenant, if they were consistent, they would have to say that cup was literally the new covenant, right? That's a good point. I never thought of that before.

That's a good point. The cup. Now, what they mean by it is the container of the cup, the blood. Now, what they do, they take the wafer, they dip it into the wine, and it's called intinction, so that the wine is then infused into the wafer, and when the priest lifts it up, it's changed into the body and blood of Christ. It's no longer just bread and wine. But, yeah, the cup is what symbolizes it.

There's a word for that. It's a simile or something like that, and that's what's going on. And so when Jesus says, I'm the door, he's not literally a door, just as this is the cup is not literally the cup or this specific cup that he's talking about, okay? And when they do that, is it correct that they actually venerate the host? It's correct that they do it. It's sinful that they do it. So they'll parade around the elements and stuff like that, and they'll face them and venerate them.

Yes, and it's called a monstrance, M-O-N-S-T-R-A-N-C-E, a monstrance. Once the wafer has been transformed into the body of Christ, it's actually Jesus now. So they put it in a monstrance, and you can look up the word, you can see pictures of varying kinds, and it's like a sunburst of rays of gold coming out, and they'll put the round wafer in the middle, and then they will lift it up and they'll bow before it, and so this is idolatry. And they'll say, well, it's a body of Christ. Well, it's not the body of Christ.

And then they'll parade it, like you said, do various things. It's just another form of idolatry that they're doing. And they like to say that it's not a re-sacrifice, but it's a propitiatory. It is a re-sacrifice. They say it isn't, but it is, and it's a propitiatory sacrifice. It cleanses from sin, and a propitiatory sacrifice is a sacrifice. To say it's propitiatory, you would have to redefine propitiation then, because propitiation in the Bible is a sacrifice that turns away wrath. And so that's what it means. It doesn't mean it's potentially removed. It means it actually is, which is really interesting if you go to 1 John 2, 2, propitiation for the whole world. Ooh, what does that mean then?

Everybody's going to go to heaven? Another side note. So when they say it's propitiatory, then they have a problem. And so let me see, catholic.org, karm.org, eucharist, because I've got the quotes, eucharist sacrifice. Let's see if I've got it.

I'll find it really quickly. Yeah, sacrifice of Christ. And so, yeah, they call it a sacrifice. The holy sacrifice of the eucharist, paragraph 1055. The eucharist is also a sacrifice, paragraph 1365. There you go. It's a sacrifice.

Okay. So they're basically saying that Jesus' sacrifice was not perfect, that it has to be done over again. That's what they're saying, but they don't realize it. And if you tell them they're saying that, they're going to say, that's not what we're saying, but it is.

Because Jesus has offered... So it's basically self-refuting. Yes, right. But this is what happens... Like all false religions.

There you go. You just took the words out of my mouth. This is what happens with false religions. They don't make sense. And then it's called cognitive dissonance.

And, yeah, that's what it is. Okay. Good for you. Good for you, buddy.

Keep up the good work, man. All right. Hey, okay, let's see.

We've got William from Deacon, Ohio, waiting a long time. Okay, Will, you are on the air, if you're there. Hey, man, what's going on? I'm doing radio. This is a very, very important question. Okay.

I've been dwelling within me here lately. Okay. And everything that's going on with worldly events... So it says in the Bible for us to pray for our enemies, right? Yes. That means pray for Biden.

And to love our enemy. Mm-hmm. Well, I believe Biden's an enemy of the people.

I believe, yeah, I do. That's my opinion. Okay. So what if they're just using that as a control mechanism to further their agenda, you know, to enslave the human race? You know, if they can use the Bible as a control mechanism, do you see where I'm trying to get at?

Sure. It was misused to justify slavery. It's been misused to justify destruction of people's rights. And it can be misused in many different ways. That's true. Okay. But think about that. They're using the words in the Bible as a control mechanism to further an agenda, which could... And it's not even a question of it could. Eventually, you know, the human race is going to be totally enslaved.

At what point do we draw the line and fight? I can't repeat what I think on the air about that. Okay.

So can you kind of sum it up to me that we could, you know, use? That's why I tell people to read the Declaration of Independence. In my opinion, our government is no longer, has not been for quite a while, working for the best interests of the people. That's not to say every person in power is corrupt, but the corruption is obvious. We have hypocrisy in the highest levels.

We have insider trading. We have the people raiding the treasury. They've opened up our borders. They have broken laws.

They go like January 6th committee. They're going after people, trying to destroy people's lives for basically just what amounts to trespassing. They're going after everybody, looking for people. They want to denounce. They want to destroy anybody.

It's just the same kind of technique, but with limits. Stalin is Russia in that they destroy their enemies. And so good men... It actually makes me feel bad to even question the Bible because, you know, I want to pray for my enemies. I want to love my neighbor.

You should. But they're using that aspect to control us. To further an agenda. Yes, Satan did the same thing.

He would misuse scripture in order to get his agenda going. But look, we are to pray for the enemies of the gospel. That means we pray for Biden and Pelosi and the pope and things like that.

We pray for them. Hold on, we've got to break the page. But it's not just them. Yes, I know it's not just them.

Look at the world atomic bomb. Hold on, we've got to break. Hey, folks, three open lines. You want to give me a call?

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. I'm going to let you know that we stay on the air by your support. And if you want to help out, all you've got to do is go to karm.org forward slash donate. If you like what you hear, please support us because that's what we need in order to stay on the air. And if you don't like what you hear, then pray for me. All right, let's get back on with Will from Dayton. Are you still there?

I'm still here, brother. Well, basically, when is enough enough? That's subjective. I'm drawing my line in the sand, so to speak.

That's subjective. We use violence when there's no other recourse. There are recourses. The idea of taking back what needs to be taken back is a dangerous and a very serious issue.

The government is working against the people and against the Constitution, and it's doing things that are wrong. The recourse is for us to vote and to protest and to raise our ire so that they can be heard and do this consistently. We need to do this. That's what needs to happen. As Christians, we should be praying, and then we should be getting people in office on the local level and the great level. And then we should be demanding the legitimacy of our elections because, personally, I don't trust them anymore. I don't know. I don't be trying to... I've lost my faith in the elections.

I just have. And I believe COVID was used as a control marker. At first, I think it was legit. It had some problems.

I was wearing a mask. We didn't know what was going on. I get that and I grant that.

That's not a problem. But after a while, it became obvious. After a while, it became obvious. This is another disusing for control. In fact, I'm getting into some stuff. I've written like 30 articles on COVID, masks, research, and things like that. And I will never take that COVID vaccine, personally.

You and me both. It's a matter of self-defense. But you see where this is heading. If they start ushering this digital currency in, right now, we're sheep in the pasture. If they start ushering in this digital currency and whatever comes with that, we're getting further and further closer to the slaughterhouse.

Absolutely. See, what's going to happen is the goal would be to be in control. They don't want to destroy everybody. The powers that be, they don't want to have anarchy in their hands and people dying in the streets.

They want to have control. And so they're going to be gradually moving things. And if they can get control of the digital currency, and as we already know, now the banks are supposed to report a transaction of $600 or more to the federal government. Now the federal government's telling us, watching over our shoulder what we spend our money on.

These little things like this, and then you get used to it, and then they'll just move it down to $500 or $400, or any transactions now are to be judged by what the government allows and doesn't allow. Are you allowed to buy bullets? Are you allowed to buy guns? Are you allowed to buy extra food? Oh, you're storing up extra food.

We've noticed that your grocery bill has been increased at an unnecessary level. Why are you doing this? Are you a white supremacist because you're storing up food, getting ready to raid or fight back? Is that what you're doing? They can accuse you of all kinds of stuff.

And this is one of the issues. Hey, look, dude, let me tell you. I know indirectly, I'll just leave it that way, that there are trucks that are being developed that they can drive down the street and just aim a heat kind of a sensor gun at your home. And they can tell you where everybody is and what weapons you have in the house.

That's wonderful. Well, yeah. They can tap into your wireless. They can tap into your internet. They can do all this kind of stuff.

They can tell you exactly where people are in your house by looking at it. And this has been around for a long time. So I'm just, I'm to the point to where, you know, I hate to question the word. But they're using that against them. They're using that as a control mechanism to advance their agenda.

A lot of them are. And, you know, when you hear a politician say Jesus would support pro-choice movement, you know, that's blasphemy. And they will use God's word because they are liars, deceivers, cheats, and they serve their father, the devil. And so as Christians, we need to be, it's true, as Christians, we need to stand against this in the primary way is by prayer. People think prayer doesn't do anything.

Well, no, it does. You've got to be praying. If all the Christian churches praying for this country, God's going to raise up people. That's what he does.

And he works things to change. We want conversions of people in government. I don't want them to go to hell. I don't want Biden to go to hell. I don't want Pelosi to go to hell. I don't trust either one of them.

Period. I think they're hypocrites and liars. But I don't want them to go to hell. I want them to be saved.

Think about what you were saying, though. This equipment that they have that can monitor and see where the heat is within the home. That's our own brothers and sisters. They can take a laser that you can't see on your window and they can hear what you're saying. They can watch the vibrations of the voice that hits a light source. Like you have a light bulb in a lampshade or whatever in your office and there's a window. What they can do is aim a beam of some sort upon the window and look at the light. And your voice causes air pressure to hit the light bulb, which causes a slight super light flicker.

They can't see it, but they can pick it up and it helps discern what you're saying at great distance. Why would they have something like that? Why would our government have something like that against its own people? Does that make any sense? Well, they would initially want to do this in order to root out the enemy.

You could turn it on at an embassy across the street, a different embassy, and you could do it. Well, it's never supposed to be used on the people. I've heard that. My mom and dad said something very interesting. They told me, to my face, income tax was specifically developed for World War II to help fund the war effort. And they were specifically told it's only for the duration of the war. They both told me this. My dad served in World War II.

My mom helped build B-17 wings as a woman in the factories. They told me what was going on. They said it was supposed to only be for the war. They never repealed it. The government will say one thing and then very frequently do another. This is why it's important to have godly men and women, Christian men and women in office. Oh, no, church separates the church and state. No, what that means is that the state is not to tell you what religion to practice. It doesn't mean you can't have Christians in office who believe in the sufficiency of Scripture and the authority of God to whom they have to answer and so they won't take bribes.

This is what we have and what we deserve in this country because, I mean, look at it. LGBTQ is now indoctrinated and passed as law as being acceptable. If you don't agree with it, you can be fined. You don't use someone's pronoun crap with the issue.

You don't use someone's pronouns according to what they want. You can be fined or jailed or lose your job or canceled, whatever. There are different levels of this that's going out there. Or abortion, the killing of the unborn. These are all instantiated as laws or becoming more laws.

The stuff about the pronoun thing I've heard more about recently. These things are becoming laws and some are laws, which means our government is officiating in the practice of sin and rebellion against God. Now what's the battle? The battle is a spiritual battle, Ephesians 6-12.

We as Christians, we have the Lord God on our side. The gates of hell will not prevail against the church, Matthew 16-18. That means when we go kick the gates down, they're not going to stand. Eventually they're going to fall. But what Christians now do is say there's a gate of hell, so let's run, take cover.

Gates don't do anything. We are the ones who are on the offensive, God says. Jesus says, go out into the world and make disciples of all the nations. He sent them out.

He's even said, buy a sword, Luke 24-36. It's not for the purpose of being aggressive. It's for defense. We have the right of defense. We can use the laws and the defensive means. And we should be saying to the politicians, get these people out of jails who've been in there without trial, without due process, who have January 6th stuff. Who just trespassed. Get them out. And yet these guys, like that one guy, I forgot his name, whatever his name is, who instigated the breaking of the laws, he, there's nothing happening to him. Why?

Because he's with the left. So when the people in control are the ones who can raid the treasury, set the laws, and they're the ones who can say who gets punished and not gets punished, that's where you get corruption. And the only way to prevent that is to have godly men and women in place. And if we don't have them, our country's lost.

Okay? Well, it sounds like to me, in essence, we're creating our own prison state. Humanity is allowing this to happen. At some point, you see what I'm saying? At some point we have to, we can't let that control our faith. We have to intervene. Or god has to intervene.

That's right. You pray for the salvation of the enemies of this country and of the Christian faith, like Biden and Pelosi and others. You pray for them.

Kamala Harris, you pray for them. You pray for their salvation. I have prayed for them. And we need to continue to pray for them. Okay?

And pray for them as much as I should. This is a global thing. Absolutely. The United States is practicing censorship through its pressuring of private corporations. Criminals are getting out under the name of equity. We tried equity.

Or not we. Equity has been tried. It was called Marxism. Everybody's equal. The equal outcome. And it led to the death of millions upon millions and millions and millions of people.

The United States is in really bad debt and it's getting worse. There's the funding of the police, which increases the rise of criminal activity. There's what's called democide, the intentional killing of the RNN people.

That's happened a lot. The elections, more and more people don't trust the elections. The FBI is weaponized. The IRS is being weaponized. The leaders apparently are hypocrites.

It's pretty obvious. They say wear masks and then they don't wear masks. They say get rid of your guns and they hire police protection.

They say don't drive carbon emitting vehicles and they take private jets. There's money laundering going through Ukraine. Open borders against the laws. That means that they don't care about the people of this country. Oppressive practices, like I said, $600 in transactions.

Schools are indoctrination areas for ideology, activism and protests against the status quo in our Constitution. This is what's going on. Christians should wake up. What can we do?

I'll tell you what we can do. All the pastors, real pastors, not the women pastors, because they're false pastors. Women shouldn't be in a past pulpit, but they can certainly be prayer warriors, that's for sure. The men need to start teaching in the pulpit what needs to be done, not every day, every Sunday, but this needs to be on the forefront and all pastors across America and across the world should start praying. Number one, you start praying and you ask God to take care of this and you ask him to use you and pray for the conversion of the people in office. Pray that God would raise up godly people to replace the evil ones. You ask God to do this. We don't raise a hand to hurt anybody. We vote.

We do whatever we can the best way we can and that's how it's supposed to be done and Christians need to start voting and doing other stuff. In fact, I've got almost out of time. Let me just throw this out really fast. Wouldn't it be great if, let's say pick a day like September 1st through the entire month, that what happened is everybody with the last name starts with A, showed up at a Capitol with signs protesting, wanted a constitution back, wanted a state back, and then the next day, letter with B, letter with C. Everyone did it all over the United States at the same time. I guarantee you'll get the news. We need to start doing stuff like this and be organized. That's what we need to do as Christians and we're out of time. Call back tomorrow. We've got to talk more about this stuff. All right, we're out of time. And Curtis from South Carolina, I want to hear what you have to say about this. I want you to call back tomorrow too.

Please, Curtis, we're out of time. May the Lord bless you all. By His grace, we're back on the air tomorrow and teach Bible study tonight. So, hey, God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.