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877-207-2276. Tonight on Clubhouse, I plan on opening up a room or joining a room and discussing either Unitarianism and its failure and or also baptism. And what is baptism? Is it necessary for salvation? And what baptism really is for? Things like that. So I'm thinking about working on that tonight on Clubhouse. And opening up a room and teaching on that. Because a lot of people have to know what the particulars are. And I've been developing an argument against Unitarianism, which I think is very solid, very good.

I used it and modification of it tonight. Or use it on a debate I had with a well-known Muslim apologist and he was not able to answer it on the problem of God being one person. So I've got some new information I want to get on with that. And also, of course, the issue of baptism. Is baptism necessary for salvation?

No, it's not. And here's another thing. Was baptism by sprinkling, by pouring, or was it by immersion? Now some people, most people that I've talked to, say it has to be by immersion.

And I want to make the case, if I talk about it tonight, not necessarily. It might be by pouring. And I've got some verses in context. I'll put them together and show from the context where I think we can make a case for pouring and also sprinkling. That's right, sprinkling. Now personally, my opinion is Jesus was sprinkled, not immersed. And that's according to Levitical law.

Because I think he had to fulfill Levitical law. Now am I right? Well, I think I am. Could I be wrong?

Yeah, I could be wrong. And so hopefully tonight we'll have a discussion on that. Maybe even on the radio if you call me up and you have questions, we can talk about that as well. So it's up to you. Alright, four open lines. 8772072276. Let's get in the air with Rudolph from Raleigh, North Carolina.

Welcome. You're on the air. Yes sir, how you doing?

Doing alright, hanging in there. I was looking at Genesis. God said that he made two lights in the firmament. The one grid and the lesser for for night.

Yes. So how is one, how, okay, well in secular science they teach one light, one reflector. But God said he made two lights.

How can there be, what is it? Well, he's just talking about, all he's doing is just talking about the sun and the moon. And the moon is a light, isn't it? Even though it's reflective, it is a light. Yeah, it's a light. We can see the stars are light. Planets are light, but they reflect.

So it's not a big deal. It's just the way the Bible's talking about it. So is the moon a light? Yes.

Is it a source of light as if it's generating light through nuclear fusion and fission? No. That's not what the Bible's talking about there. Okay.

What? Yeah, the Bible is not saying that the moon produces light out of its own means the way the sun does. It's just recalling it a light because it is a light. Okay. Are you there?

Yes, I'm there. Alright. But you said, you said light and light.

Yes. So how is it not light? It is light.

It's light. So he created a greater and a lesser light, right? He made two great lights. The great light to govern the day, the lesser light to govern the night.

He made the stars also. That's all that's going on. So how is it?

Go ahead. But no, but you know, a lot of people say that the moon is reflective, but reflector is not the same as light. Oh yeah, I agree. But that's not the purpose of the text, to demonstrate that it's a light source the same way the sun is.

It's not doing that. Okay. You have to understand there's more going on in Genesis in the first creative days than you might realize. Now there's definitely a sequential order. God created light then on day two, separation of the waters from above and below. Day three, the dry land. Day four, the sun, moon and stars.

Day five, the water creatures and birds. And day six, cattle, creeping things and men. Now the thing is that there's a relationship between day one and day four. So it's like one, two, three and then four, five, six. Where one and four are kind of paralleled. Two and five are kind of paralleled. And three and six. Because in day one and four there's light in day one, but there's the sun and moon and the stars on day four. And if you can see that, but they parallel.

The sun and then the light. On day two and day five, on day two you have the waters and day five you also have waters. On day three and six you have dry land on day three, dry land and sea plants and then you have seas and plants, excuse me.

And then you also have on day six cattle and creeping things which is on dry land and stuff. So it's called the framework hypothesis. And I'm not saying I believe in it. I'm just saying there is a relationship and it's just worth noting. That's all.

Okay. Okay, so when he said he just divided the waters from below to the water from above, do you think the above waters or clouds is that, do you think that? Well my opinion is that there was a lot of water vapor in the atmosphere and I understand that pilots can be on a bright sunny day with no clouds in the sky and just fly through a lot of water in the air and what happens is, that's funny, it's supposed to be down.

That's funny. And what happens is that they get drenched in water. They just get drenched. So it can happen like that.

Okay, it's not a big deal. So there's a lot of water vapor plus there's some, I've read where pterodactyls of all things can't fly in our atmosphere. Our present thickness of atmosphere is too light and you need a heavier, thicker atmosphere. And so one of the theories going around is that before the flood, let me kind of back up and put everything together, so God created everything and put man on the earth in six days.

All right. And so one of the theories is that the reason the dinosaurs existed is because the light reflection, refraction of the Sun occurred around the atmosphere which had a lot of water vapor in it. So much so that you would not see the Sun. It was like a cloud, like a mist up in the air.

This is one of the theories I'm just telling you. And then when photosynthesis starts occurring, as that God creates the plants, the photosynthetic effect plus the cosmic rays on the atmosphere cause it to dry up or to clear up. But also you're going to notice that there's no mention of rain until the time of the flood. So one of the theories is that there was no rain on the earth but the refraction in the heavy moist atmosphere caused the earth to never be completely dark even on the far side of the earth when the Sun was on the other side.

That it was a refractive light and so it was like dusk or you know duskish dark but not really dark. And so therefore the plants could grow huge and reptiles could grow really huge because it was also a temperate temperature. It was just an average temperature that wouldn't get cold all over the planet which this would theoretically explain why the reptiles and so many plants were there. And then after the flood it all went away. Then we have the seasons and stuff like that.

Some think there's an axial tilt and some other stuff. And then we get into calendar changes and 702 BC and some other stuff. So anyway these are there's a lot of people who've speculated about these kind of things on the biblical manuscripts biblical evidence. And what I like to do is read them and say here's one theory here's another theory. If I think it's ridiculous I'll just say I'm not going to repeat it. But if it's there seems to be some plausibility say well you know here we go and take a look at it. So anyway don't if that helps or not but but there you go okay.

It did but just one other thing I'm sorry. Yeah people do it all the time and uh it's yeah I always correct them on it. Even as Christians they do that.

They participate in the ways of the world and then they use the Lord's name in vain. And you know so they shouldn't do that. But okay go ahead though at any rate.

Oh I'm kidding. I can't I can't remember. That's all right. Call back. I forgot to call you back later. That's okay.

Call back. Thank you. No big deal. All right. Yes sir. All right buddy. Yes sir. God bless. Thank you. All right. Okay so that was Rudolph.

And we have four open lines if you want to give me a call 877-207-2276. Real quickly about the issue of using the Lord's name in vain. God's name is and his title like Lord God Jesus and Christ should always and only be used in a reverential way. Never in an exclamation of surprise or anger. It should never be used like that. If Christians if you participate in that you're in sin. You need to repent of that. And you need to only use God's name and his titles and attributes in a reverential way.

He is God Almighty the Holy One. So there you go. You can call me up and you want to talk about that please do 877-207-2276. Martin from Virginia welcome here on the air. Hey Matt. Hey I know we buttered ahead a few times before but I still I appreciate your ministry.

I appreciate all you do and all your heavy studies and I enjoy listening to you daily. Kind of backing you up a little bit about the two lights and Genesis and I'm not sure if you're familiar to Stephen Barnes and he wrote a book maybe 10 years ago. Modern Physics, Ancient Beliefs. Pretty heavy.

You'd probably love it. It's very reasonable very logical and heavy into physics. It's tough to get through but it mixes it's a big mix of uh religious reference Bible and physics. Smart guy, good guy. He lays it out really good but uh you know that let there be like kind of references sort of to the big bang where where do you like the light statistics but then the two lights like you referenced the moon and the sun and Genesis but you know you've got to take things in reference like like you often say yeah hold on I got a break okay because I want to talk a little more about this because I want to ask you about if it does discuss this time dilation is it in reference and relativity and proximity of speed to the earth so we get six days or six thousand so hey folks you have four open lines give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six give me a call one here for a minute we'll be right back it's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick all right welcome back to the show everyone if you want to give me a call we have four open lines I want to hear from you give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six let's get to martin martin you still there yeah yeah hey matt all right so what do you got yeah so um the the two lights you know I we know you know back when uh you know they were writing the book of genesis and uh they didn't have the telescopes and have a science that we had that it they didn't understand fusion they didn't understand vision um so the moon was a light to them it was um granted in today's interpretation is it's an easy thing to attack if you're an atheist or or you know a semi-doubter that hey there aren't two lights the moon's not a light it still is a light um and if anybody goes hunting at night um in a full moon um there's reasons why there's so much more activity on a full moon it it's it's more lit you know there's things you can see just like in the you know midday well here's a concept let me ask you a question here and i'll explain something is a bat a bird is a bat a bird i believe it's a mammal but it flies like a bird it um it doesn't have a bird feathers like a bird yeah it acts like a bird flies like bird but okay is a bat is a bat a bird well are all birds mammals okay let me ask you a question is a bat a bird the answer is okay what's what's definitely answers no right either it's answers no okay okay but so people will criticize the bible because the bible calls bats birds and then they say see the bat is not a bird therefore the bible can't be trusted because it's an error but what they're doing is imposing modern definitions upon an ancient text to them if they defined a bird as anything that flew that had two wings and was of that size and character then it was perfectly accurate according to the definition that they had at the time so yeah genesis and and day one day two day three it's not a day even though they talk about day and night it was that's a different topic let's get that's a different topic so when it talks about the issue of light they are using it in the term that they defined it is as and when people today say well that's not the proper form of light they uh which i showed about up earlier with the other caller that's not the correct way we don't look at at the old way in light of the new definitions they had their own then we have to understand it in the context if they were to find light as those things in the sky like that then by definition that's what it is we can't impose our definitions upon them to say we can't say about it is not a bird in modern parlance when they used it descriptively the way they did and that's fine correct yeah yeah yeah you have to put the the lens of when it was written and the terminology of that for what it meant and so it's not in error and so as far as the day goes you gotta be careful about uh stuff the reason i asked about the book um i'm looking for a book i've heard about but i don't know what it is i don't know the author so i can't find it and it deals with the issue of relativity and so apparently some physicists see if i can remember this have done some analysis on the expansion of the universe and the relationship of time on the surface of the earth versus outside and the further out you go the more accelerated time looks and so there's a relationship between the six days and longer periods outside and both are the same they're just from different perspectives because of relativity there's and so i'm trying to find that information and i've heard about it before in some radio shows and you know i was driving i remember i was too around you know so that's it i try to get a good physics and religious book every every six months sometimes it takes a couple months to get through sometimes it takes a few weeks but yeah yeah i've got i've got a good library of some nice sciencey type books well good i love science i wanted to be a marine biologist when i was growing up and i took all the science stuff yeah i did i took all the science stuff in high school and took so much that uh i was exempt from any math and science courses in college i just didn't have to take any nice so yeah yeah i tried to i was going to go marine biology at university or organ state university i was going to try that but i went a different route went accounting at university well well get this here's a brag i met Jacques Cousteau how about that so that is that that is well where'd you meet him i hope hopefully out on the queen mary when the queen mary in long beach california opened up i have or i've lost it i think the number eight ticket 0008 and i was the eighth one on board in line etc the queen mary opened up as a museum and Jacques Cousteau was there and i got his autograph so uh i don't know where it is now just like i have the autograph i have a letter written to me by George Takei Sulu from star trek because he wrote me personally so yeah a little brag stuff it's no big deal but there you go no yeah yeah i mean i think the more you expand your mind and i there's a book uh the physics of god i think that's about five years old maybe a little more uh science and the and the good i mean there's there's lots of lots of good things out there that people can expand themselves with yeah one thing i know though the more science i study the more i find out that the bible's correct exactly exactly the bible is correct yeah it's not possible for life to have spawned spawned and foreign spontaneously any place in the entire universe period the mathematics is against it we can go into that absolutely the idea of of yeah yeah there's design yeah there's there's code dna is code it is coded and nowhere anywhere anywhere where you look there there's nowhere that you can find code that's not intelligently placed it's intelligence behind that's correct and i was talking to an atheist last night on a chat thing and this atheist guy we're discussing the issue of the universals and intelligence of the laws of logic and um he i said laws of logic don't occur in nature you know they don't occur in chemical reactions as we're talking about trying to refute the issue of materialism as it relates to the physical brain because they hold what's called property dualism this is all big highfalutin stuff and this guy got up and said yes you do see of things in chemical reactions and wired reactions those are computers and i said yeah they're intelligently designed exactly and so they always they always uh hurt themselves when they try and refute the idea of materialism as a problem and then and they invoke intelligently designed computers to say well that might that's why there is no intelligent design because i'm citing to an intelligent design theory you know it just you know at any rate oh yeah yeah and that's why those uh intelligently designed computers are so flawed my viewers stuck in the checkout line because the computers are down yeah that's right yeah i guess some weren't so all right buddy well thanks man call back again all right all right okay hey folks four open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six give me a call when i hear from you let's get on the phone with noel from virginia noel welcome you're on the air hey matt um how are you uh let me check all right yeah i'm pretty good i had to check you asked me i had to check so so what do you yeah um so all right what are some ways that demons affect your life and can they manipulate objects wow some of the ways demons can affect you in your life is you start voting uh as a socialist or a communist that's one of the things or you start thinking trudeau and in canada is doing what's right that's another way oh hey look at that we're out of time hold on i'm gonna break we'll come back folks please stay tuned we have four open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six be right back here's matt slick it's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick all right everyone welcome back to the show look we have four open lines i want you to give me a call don't make me come out there and talk to you eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six let's get back to noel all right so you want to know what ways demonic forces can influence you and can they uh move objects and things like that you want me to tackle those yeah that'd be great all right uh they can often cause depression um in the bible we see that they have strength if they're if your person's possessed that's not a christian though great strength and sometimes knowledge that they wouldn't normally have but generally it's uh in the non-believer demonic influences move people away from the truth of god towards hatred towards god condemnation towards the things of god towards in a christian context they can they can make your life a little bit inconvenient uh cause uh help contribute to depression i should say and they can also influence by their people who do bad things and they can affect you as well now can they influence uh physical objects yes they can okay they can okay all right and so um but it's not very common you know there are plenty of stories all over the world of objects moving um doors slamming windows opening opening uh various things you know i understand sometimes they're just the wind but there are plenty of documented instances around the world where serious uh movements are happening objects moving i've talked to people um one eye witness i talked to one on one said that uh his house was um well just say haunted i guess you could say and he said that uh he and his family were where he grew up in this house it was very very um um used to it not that it was okay but he said one time they're sitting there watching tv an object uh just moved and just hovered in front moved to the other side of the other room and they all watched it and then they just kept watching tv because they were used to it and uh the house had been visited by parapsychologists it was one of the southern california is one of the the top ones in the in the world or the country i should say and so at any rate yeah it can happen and uh and stuff i've seen when i was back involved in the occult i've seen lights move and uh i've seen some other stuff so it happens yeah i've um experienced stuff like randomly being thrown down or how old are you if i can ask can i ask how it's important question if i can ask how old you are i am i'm 26 and you talked to me not too long ago on your after show okay about my abortion okay and so let me ask you when these things happened how old were you when they happened roughly oh um it happened a few days ago a few days ago okay because a lot of times with uh particularly with women in their early 20s late teens uh there are manifestations of this kind of of physical contact activity etc um with i go ahead i was just gonna say i have lived with a mormon and he also has the ability to know things before they happen so yeah you need to get out of the mormon situation if you can because mormonism is non-christian it's a it's a door open to the occult because of their false doctrines and and stuff that you know but um what you can do and do you see do you go to a church yep i do you can talk to the elders of the church specifically you talk to the elders of the church about this you tell them these things and you tell them that you need prayer and ask if it's possible for one or two two not with one two to come over at the same time when everybody else is gone and you're there you don't want a man and you alone together in a house together but if two elders come over they they can anoint the house and or your room at least that you're in and stuff like that okay okay so yeah all right yeah it's a serious thing mormonism is a door it's a humongous door to the occult and uh there are i've been trying to go ahead go ahead sorry um i've been trying to minister some but it's it's very hard and are you married to a mormon um no no we're raised but not you know are you married at all are you married i am yeah okay yeah is your husband a christian um professing okay so the reason i'm asking is there's a hierarchical structure spiritually god the father the son jesus the husband the wife the children and so generally what you need is the husband to be involved with this and be praying if he's not really a christian the elders are the ones that you need to go to anyway and they can step in but you have uh the authority even as a as a christian woman that's not a woman doesn't mean you can't do anything but you have the authority as a christian to be able to anoint and pray through the house and invoke the name of jesus in combat uh to the demonic manifestation of of mormonism okay okay and you should already well thank you for answering my question okay if now one more thing if you really were thrown down if you did you feel a physical hand movement pressure upon you is that what you physically felt oh no no just an object um uh it was how was it it was like a mop that got thrown down and i was not too far from the area okay well i was going to make sure that the mop just didn't slide off of something and it just dropped but uh you'll know you can tell when something is thrown versus just falls and so that's up you know you know um go ahead sorry um i don't i don't really see how it could have um done that like just fallen because it was in a pretty secure situation on the wall um and yeah so it was just little things like that i've seen like worse but that was long ago but i just i just wanted to know if they can manipulate i was pretty certain that they could um but i just kind of wanted to confirm that really yeah they can but it's it requires or there has to be more a door opening to the occult for demonic influences to come through so i actually have plenty of doors i was um saved after you know kind of realizing all this yeah well remember i was involved in the occult before i became a christian so i've seen things had seances seen objects move you know uh well had objects balls of light sure really fast what do you got okay um if i had used a ouija board before being saved how does that affect me today well your everything's in christ is clean so it's all gone but one of the things you can do is just say lord i did this before i just want you to know i renounce it and you know i know you're covering it and it's taking care of i just want you know i'm just doing that verbally and and that's all that's that's all you got to do but you don't have to worry about it because uh ouija boards are doors to the occult and um but you know if you did that i've done worse than that just so you know i've done much worse back in my occult days and what i do i just renounced all of it when i became a christian i just did a not like it's just how you have to do it but i just did i just went through and listed everything i could think of and i said lord all this was sin i renounce it in the name of jesus i know it's covered by the name of christ and that's it i just moved forward from then on didn't worry about it because greater is he that's in you then he's it's in the world all right all right thank you i appreciate it okay all right sounds good okay okay well god bless all right thank you bye okay noel and so the the first the verse of folks is first on four four and you are from god little children and have overcome them because greater is he greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world if you have had occult dealings done things in their past that were bad but now you are christian you have to understand greater is the one who's in you jesus christ than he who is in the world the enemy of the gospel it doesn't mean that everybody's gonna be perfect but it does mean you can trust in christ and you need to do that by faith sometimes it's appropriate to trust god beyond your ability to understand simply because of who he is because faith is only as good as who you put it in and your goal is to just to faith i use the word faith and change it to a verb to faith which means to exercise faith and trust in him because of who he is this is something that god wants you to do and you should don't worry don't live in the past live in the present jesus christ is in you hey folks we'll be right back after these messages for open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six give me a call we'll be right back it's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick welcome back to the show everyone if you want to give me a call we have open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six let's get to ed from north carolina whom we lost all right she's got nobody waiting if you want to give me a call let me talk about the issue of the occult and a lot of people have been involved with this in their youth and because we've got no callers waiting right now let's kind of maybe go through this a little bit but if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six so back before i was saved let me tell you some stories before i was even born my mom said that she would start having these dreams of a man coming to her in her sleep and he was dressed in a certain pattern and she would come he would come to her and she'd be so terrified she'd wake up from her sleep and then she would get my dad who could not see this figure but in the sleep he would come to her and then when she'd wake up she'd watch as she would walk through the wall at the foot of the bed and just stand there and stare at her and uh you know i questioned her IQ was she was a genius a lot smarter than i ever was and she um you know she she we talked about it and she said that there was no drugs no alcohol no this no that it was all just that's what she saw and i said okay this went on for a few years and then i was born and she said the last time that uh that that he appeared was uh that i remember anyway was um when he came and she woke up and watched him this time walk over to the crib i was in a crib uh in the room and watched uh watched me in the crib standing in the wall standing half out of the wall just watched me and then she'd wake up my dad and my dad you know i said talk to him and she goes no not supposed to be here and uh turned the light on and he disappeared and that was it and so years later when i'm in the occult i would do things like seances and necromancy trying to contact the dead and i got to the point where i could see auras and i could i still have a memory of seeing an aura once of a woman that was so profound i could still see it it's just it was so profound and there it was it was a glowing one to two inch kind of a of a halo around her entire body and i watched it i i mean i was fully cognizant and i've never done drugs in my life and didn't have hardly any alcohol until i was in my late 20s i just didn't there didn't drink it just didn't care it wasn't sleep deprivation no meds it was nothing there it was this is in the time of my life when i'm doing all called things seances trying to contact the dead table tilting uh you know and other stuff and um so i tried astral projection i tried other things as well and so i could never do the astral projection i asked a friend of mine uh to to to come over my house uh astral projection and verify you know we could do this that he could and he told me later that he was not able to do that uh that one particular night when i asked him because there was a figure a man who was um preventing him from entering into her house and he described the man the same way my mom did and i hadn't told him or anybody else about this figure because i just was embarrassed i didn't know if it was legit i didn't want to say anything about this and so i just didn't and uh and so he told me again he was dressed like and he described him perfectly a black hat a long white sleeve shirt rolled up to the elbows black slacks black shoes and just standing and would not let him come in now how did he know this very same thing um that's just i'm going through some of this stuff quickly i remember once in the seances and things like that we saw uh balls of light move across a room um i heard my name being called out of uh out of the darkness by a female voice uh it was very interesting things and i i remember once seeing a uh a cross materialize in mid-air we had with the witness we saw the exact same thing a yellow cross the blue light materializing now you know people you don't if you don't believe in that you say oh matt you're just mental you've imagined it like i say whatever you want i know what i saw and i'm not uh given to following following the crowd i i'm not a follower i just don't follow the crowd and i never did drugs never did you know that alcohol wasn't drunk wasn't anything wasn't sleep deprivation i saw this stuff and some of my friends we were involved for a couple three years on in this issue uh i forgot exactly the time to spend maybe it was a year and a half two years i don't know where we're doing uh cold stuff and things started opening up doors started opening and there were some other things that were starting to occur which i've never mentioned on the radio but uh connections and i'll leave it for that for now but um so things started changing your mental attitude starts changing your belief system starts changing you get affected and you start looking for the things of darkness i remember very clearly being attracted to the things of darkness and i was getting more and more involved with it and there were associated things with darkness that became appealing now move uh move ahead a little bit of time and um when i got saved and that's quite a story in itself with an incredible presence of the lord jesus christ and the presence of the holy spirit just incredible powerful experience immediately as in immediately the draw towards the occult and towards things of darkness was absolutely completely gone and were actually repulsive there was a night and day difference because when you're unregenerate you want power you want control you want influence you want security security often is best maintained by you yourself trying to be in control of your situation your food your job your money your whatever and you want security because you need to make it happen yourself and sometimes people particularly in the youth because they don't have jobs yet aren't really out on their own things are up in the air their brains are still developing and so they turn to the occult because it's an attempt well to be entertained for one thing to see what will happen for another but also to influence control over their lives and even the lives of others and instead of looking towards christ they look to themselves they look towards the occult and in so doing doors open up and when i talk about doors in the area of the occult those are the kinds of things you can have doors open up by doing ouija boards by doing table tilting by pendulum swinging by chakra balancing you can do it by attempting necromancy astral projection by crystal gazing and things like this there's lots of ways that open the doors and as christians we don't participate in those things and if you ever were involved in those things now you're a christian i think it's just a good idea just to talk to the lord jesus renounce all those things just confess it to move on and you're done but there are demonic forces there are real things out there people think it's a joke but no it's real and i've had experiences also granted this is all subjective i've had experiences of a very profound demonic presence very profound and all i can tell you is that i was aware of its existence and this was after i was involved in christian ministry and my roommate and i were involved together named dave and we were going out to a swami ministry and we were setting up booths and passing out literature and preaching the gospel and things like that and so we were trying to witness and some things would happen and he told me once uh that a couple weeks prior to me telling him something i told him that there was a demonic forces and presence and and it was really just terrifying and uh you know it was it was terrifying i had to cry to the my lord and um anyway i told him about this and he said two weeks prior to that he'd had a nightmare where he wasn't able to breathe he was suffocating and he said that he was he woke up he was tangled up in his sheets and i said okay you know he says no you don't understand man he says he said i was so tangled up in there it was as though i had been wrapped super tightly or in them he said he was having trouble breathing that's how tightly he was in these in the in the sheets it took him 20 minutes for him to get out so we were doing stuff like this right and we're tackling the the occult and here's another story this stuff's real this stuff happens so dave and i are at the anaheim convention center which is literally across the street from disneyland i used to live right you know down the street kind of thing for years and years there and so we went to uh to a buddhist convention and so dave is sitting to my right and we are watching the buddhists do their chanting to to demonic forces and they don't know that they are but they are and so we're sitting we're a couple hundred feet away because it's a huge convention center and they're on one side of the convention it wasn't all filled up it's just a few hundred people there and we were at the far end and we're being respectful we weren't causing any problems and um i noticed that my arms uh forearm started tingling and uh i didn't say anything didn't think anything i just got in the willies and after a few minutes i realized something i said wait a minute this feels like they're fingers fingers uh pressures of finger lines on my forearms if that's what it felt like in both i said no no can i give you right i started paying attention to it i went no wait a minute there is actual pressure just like if you were to take your hand and put it on your forearm and you feel pressure that's what it felt like i turned to dave i didn't say anything other than do you feel anything and he said to me do you mean like hands holding your arms down he felt the same thing we just ended up leaving when you're involved in the occult there are things that can affect you and when you're trying to refute false theological systems mormons shofars witnesses roman catholicism islam occult things demonic forces yeah you know they they kind of come after you i got other stories but uh that kind of stuff there's it's real so this is my past this is why when people call up on the show i'm familiar with stuff because i used to be involved in it and by god's grace i'm saved out of it repented and here we are now let's get to monique from north carolina welcome you're on the air thank you so much always call out a breaker when you're almost out of time so i'm trying to talk fast hope i can be intelligible um god bless you first of all pray for your wife and brother abroad thank your uh daughters all the uh whenever god constantly important but here's the question um going back to the depression the demonic thing i missed the broadcast part after the young ladies i don't know what you said but is there how can you determine i'm in a situation where anybody would pretty much be depressed unless they'd have to labor against it uh dialysis those parents come watch them die you know no close friends so you've been a close friend no church home which is a real big problem is there a way obviously pray but you know because i am by myself so much oh wait i don't understand your question though you could you jump it off from topic to topic and so i'm not following you okay i'm trying to get the context of the question because you do this to me every time and i really don't understand it before god i'm serious it's okay remember i'm autistic that's all right i'm saying how do you i hope so i don't really uh how do you determine if there's a delight i know i'm not possessed i know i'm not nicole but i don't have the open door but how can you determine between how much of that is depression just because you're a human uh and not only staying in the home but just depression in your mood um and what is demonic about it if they're thinking other than of course it's not the word well it's difficult to know i always look for naturalistic explanations first if someone's depressed or having problems you know are they maybe they have a medical problem maybe they're not gonna get sleep maybe there's an allergy problem that they have right realize it so i always look for those and only after all of those have been exhausted then do i consider something spiritual okay okay and that's i'm glad you said that because that's what i've been doing all this time and for me it's very hard because i'm on dialysis so your blood is poison all the time i just watched my dad die i watched my mother die you know unexpected i'm you know a lot of attack because of my walking right and i know that before so it's all of those things and i'm isolated yeah so you know it's not i don't think well you know what read your word yes we're out of time read your word yeah the more you're familiar with the word the more you look familiar with the other stuff all right but there you go thanks for calling we're out of time sorry call back again all right hey folks there you go the end of the show be back on the air by god's grace tomorrow and hopefully we'll talk to you then so have a great evening and may the lord bless you so another program powered by the truth network