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So here it is. It wasn't a question, it was just something interesting that happened to me that I went through about two months ago. And you mentioned about you were having issues with diabetes. And I actually ran into this problem too, Matt. And I was having symptoms, feeling dizzy, having diarrhea, stuff like that.

And talked to doctors and everything like that. And I actually kicked it. And I found the answer in Scripture.

Really? Now, I'm not telling you to go ahead and do this. Yeah, honest to God, I went ahead. And I'm not saying to do this, but it worked for me.

So do your research first. But I resorted to fasting. And I didn't just go in. Yeah, I went ahead and started. I went ahead and did fasting. And I didn't go right into it and go three, two, three, four days without eating. I didn't intermittent fasting at first. And then I built myself up to doing it to the point where I could do a four-day. And I got checked out. And not only did my issue with diabetes go away, my blood pressure went down.

All sorts of great things happened. And I was just searching. And I found it as customary in the Bible and did research outside of that too online.

And I don't know, do your research. It might actually be something that could help. It helped me out a lot. Well, I'm interested in it because there's a book called God's Chosen Fast.

And it's decades old, but it's really good. And yeah, I have discussed or researched the issue of fasting. Intermittent fasting is really good for you. It really is. Yeah. See, I was in a situation where I didn't want to spend money on going to a gym or buying expensive type of health food, this and that. The thing is the economic climate right now warrants being careful, obviously.

And I said, what can I do? And fasting is free. And believe it or not, for me, it was the most effective. It fixed the diabetic situation for me.

I did the research and they'd done scientific studies on it and found that your body goes into a mode that's called autophagy where it actually takes what's stored in your body and uses it for energy, cleans up your arteries, cleans up a lot of bad things that are causing the diabetes, especially in your liver. And I did a lot of research on this and I said, you know, I need to reach out to Pat and let him know about this because it all started from the Bible. And well, better wisdom than God. That's true. That's really all I want to say. Well, I've actually began a light form of intermittent fasting in that I have a wonky schedule. I go to bed at like 2 o'clock in the morning. That's just how I'm built.

It's just how it works. And I've had a habit of kind of taking a snack at like 11 o'clock, which is three hours before I go to bed. But now what I've been doing is saying, nope, 9 o'clock. That's five hours before I go to bed.

And so what I want to do is get to 8 o'clock and then see if I go to 7 o'clock where it's a longer period of time. And that's a form of intermittent fasting like that. And so there's different ways of fasting. People don't know that, but since we can talk about it, there's fasting where you give up only one meal a day. There's fasting where you do only juices. There's fasting when you eat certain things like vegetables only.

There's a different kind of, you know, so much fasting as in no food, but there are studies that show that by juicing, one study did a juicing thing for 28 days, nothing but juices where it was veggies and fruit mixed in at certain times people would do stuff, and everybody had significant medical health improvement. So there's something about it. And one of the things about fasting I know is good is there are so many chemicals in our body that are from the ground and the plants. In fact, you get me thinking about a lot of stuff here. There's a book I read a while back called The Plant Paradox. It's very interesting, The Plant Paradox, and it had a quote in there, and I remember exactly the quote, but it was along the lines of the FDA or whoever it was, my official group said, yeah, our soil is depleted and the plants don't have the nutrients like they used to. And it went on like this for a full paragraph talking about how bad things are. And I went, yeah, that's right. And then the next page, the guy goes, it was like 1927 when this was written.

And I went, oh, my goodness. And it shows you how bad stuff has gotten even from then to now. And so fasting gives your body the opportunity to take all those toxins and flush them. But often what happens, maybe you experienced this, is you get headaches, dizziness, bad taste in your mouth. You can feel under the weather like you have a head cold, but you don't for two days. First two days, exactly, the first two days. I had to build myself up to it. I started out week by week, first doing 18 hours, then going to 24 the next week, and eventually I got to four days.

No, I'm sorry, five days, actually. And then I ended it. And the first two days, yeah, you get headaches when you're doing a longer one. But I felt great afterwards.

My blood pressure went way down, everything. And your thinking clears up. Yeah, and your willpower gets stronger too. I was able to conquer some other vices too in the process, believe it or not. Yes, it's like exercising your willpower.

You know, you exercise your muscles, they get stronger. Your willpower, my willpower got stronger. And I said, gee, if I can do this, I can really conquer other things, and I did. I actually conquered some other bad habits and even sinful ones too. Not to get into anything, but it worked. And, you know, that book, it's full of wisdom. It's a Bible. That's true. In fact, this is interesting.

Nobody's waiting right now for a call. So I'm going to do a thing. When you fast. Yeah, just the phrase, when you fast. And that's Matthew 6, 17. But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face so that your fasting will not be noticed by men. And so there's this phrase, and it occurs, and Jesus is the one who says that, when you fast. So he's not saying if, but when you do this, because it was in the culture, believe it or not, it was kind of an expected thing to do.

Not that your neighbor would get you in trouble if you didn't do it, but they did this kind of thing. In fact, Matthew 6, 16, when you're fasting, et cetera. So you're fasting, but not because of men. Yeah, it's a lot of good stuff. I even took that into account too. I didn't let me doing it become a burden on others.

So it taught me how to control my temperament, control my mood, be of sound mind. It puts that to the test, and it makes me wonder how 40 days our Lord did that. Five days was enough for me. Well, they say, the most I've done is seven days, and that was years and years and years, 20, 30 years ago.

Oh, okay. The first two or three days, I wanted to start eating carpet because it was looking good to me. Then about the fourth day, all of a sudden, the cravings went away, the lightheadedness went away, and I was feeling better and better. I was dropping weight, bang, bang, a pound a day easily.

I decided to go back, go off the fast, just because I decided to. But you can go, the average human male body, adult body, can go 40 days without food, without any damage being done. We have that much stored in our bodies.

And Jesus was 40 days. The average person can. I just wanted to throw that out there because maybe something to consider because it worked for me, it may even work for you, and it will cost you nothing. And it'll do a lot of good. It did a lot of good for me. You've done it in the past, so you know you can do it. Oh, yeah.

I tried it about a year or so ago and four days, and it didn't go well for me. So here's something people need to hear. This is not medical advice, everybody. You've got to make your own decisions. You've got to know your own body.

Oh, yes, please. The way you did it is the right way. How does it work? How do you react to it?

What does it feel like? And it's going to be discomfort because you're hungry, but you can always just drink water and just drink water and sometimes put lemon juice and vinegar in the water, not a whole bunch of vinegar but apple cider vinegar with mother. You put a little capful in that with some lemon, and it really helps too. Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff, but you've got to work into it slowly. That's right. That's exactly what I did.

That's exactly what I did. So that's really what I want to... I was going to say, and not if you have a physical job. You've got to be careful because if you don't have the energy to do your physical job, like lifting pallets all day, you can't fast and do that. So there's different kinds of fasts.

Yeah, there are. Anyway, God's Chosen Fast is a good book for that. I'm glad you brought that up.

You brought a lot of memories back on all that stuff. Well, it also made me think of why God had the Jews do this. It's some really good health benefit. And it helps sustain a nation to bring our Lord and Savior into this. I actually have him, he brought himself in.

That's right. He's been theological. You can see how he cares about us so much, that he sustained a nation by giving him health advice. I just want to say God bless. Thank you, Matt.

Give him some thought and maybe it will help. Yeah, I will. In fact, I will. In fact, Friday I go to the doctor and we're going to talk about stuff.

I get to figure things out. I'm just on that side of diabetic now. It's really disturbing because I turned 65 on one day and the next day I found out that I'm just on that other side of diabetes now. So just getting older. Yeah, I felt the same way too when I found out the same thing two months ago.

It started in September for me and I wanted to fix it. But God bless, I'll let you go. Okay. All right, God bless. Appreciate it, buddy. All right, that was a good call. In fact, that was interesting stuff. I hope that sparks an interest in the topic for a lot of people out there. Remember, bad advice, do it yourself, check with your doctor.

But it might help, you never know. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please be tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. I'm having fun in the video aspect of the show. I just held up something on the camera that people cannot figure out what it is. It's pretty mean looking.

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Or you can go to Facebook, CARM.org Facebook, and we have it there too. Anyway, all right, let's get to Nelson from Bakersfield. Hey, Nelson, welcome.

You're on the air. God bless, Matt. Happy birthday, brother. Hey, Matt, thank you, buddy. Appreciate it. Hey, man.

Yeah, I called yesterday. I don't even remember the question I was going to say yesterday, but I was going through the book of Daniel, and this caught my attention. I was like, wow, I don't know what it means, and I wanted to bring it to your attention. In verse 35 of Daniel 11, can you read that in context, please? Let's see.

I was reading that in the ESV, but I know that I have it on the New American Standard right now. Yeah, let's see, well, you're looking at verse 35. 33 says, those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many. Israel is called the many a lot of times.

People don't know that. Yet they will fall by sword and by flame, by captivity and plunder for many days. Now when they fall, they'll be granted a little help, and many will join them in hypocrisy. Some of those who have insight will fall in order to refine, and make them pure until the end time, because it is still to come at the appointed time. Okay? So what's your question?

Yeah, well, caught my attention was refined. I know this is talking about, verse 36 is talking about the Antichrist, and is this basically the tribulation right here? Well, the next one is about the Antichrist, and the king will do as he pleases, and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and will speak monstrous things against the god of gods, and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.

Whoa. Okay, totally off topic, because the decreed, I've got to memorize this verse address, because there are people who say that god will never decree evil, and they don't understand what decree means, but there it is right there. It decrees the indignation, and things like that. So anyway, it's a good verse.

I'm always learning from scripture. Anyway, it looks like the purification is the discipline, because fire purifies, and when it says in order to refine, purge, and make them pure until the end time. You know, persecution and difficulties purifies us.

I don't like that it does, but it does. I need a lot of purification, I'll tell you. So that's a dangerous thing to say publicly. But yep, oh wow, look at that.

Yeah, because I was reading it in the ESV, and it just dawned. I was like, whoa, purified. It's just like, wow. It just spit out of there.

I was like, let me call Matt. Maybe he has a little bit more insight into this. Yeah, and the ESV says that some of the wise shall stumble so that they may be refined, purified, and made white until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.

Whoa, that sounds scary. You could put that on a t-shirt and walk around. And some of the wise shall stumble so that they may be refined, purified, and made white until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.

That would be a good t-shirt. Yeah, I think it has to do with the, it might be during the tribulation period that there should be a refining done of the people of God. Because that implies from this that we're still here. It implies that from what we're looking at.

It might not, if we really look at it and examine it. It might be just getting that wrong. But it's a tough one for me off the top of my head. But contextually, it does seem to be related to tribulation because it talks about the one in the next verse just like you said. The one who does the indignation. The other's blasphemous things.

Probably the Antichrist. Yeah. Yes. I just wanted to run it by you and maybe you could state it a little bit more in your spare time. Oh yeah, in my spare time. Yeah, I got a spare time between 1.30 and 2 o'clock in the morning. That's my spare time. When you're sleeping. I wish I had the ability to read books and then go over them in my sleep.

I knew a guy who used to be able to do that. Plus I'm just getting older and slowing down. So I'm having to make decisions and choices on what I can and can't do.

I hate to say it, but that's just how it is. May the Lord be glorified. Working on that abs. I'm trying to change my ab to abs. And I started a new routine at the gym.

That's right. I'm going to go on a diet thing. I've got to get in shape. My wife needs me to be around.

And I also want to take care of her because of her health issues. But I want to be around as long as possible to serve God in his kingdom. And I need to have an astute mind in order to do that. And so I discovered this. We were talking about fasting before. I laid off sugar. No M&M's, no cake, this or that.

Just little things that's always around the house. And I'll tell you, within three, four days, my mind cleared up. So I am done with sugar. Yeah.

That's right. Praise God. And another thing that I wanted to share with you. I'm sorry, what? Go ahead. I over-talked you. I said another thing that I wanted to share with you.

Maybe you can use this in one of your articles. But in the New World Translation, I call it the New World Translation. In Genesis 18, verse 3, that's when the Lord appears to Abraham as three men. And in the New King James or the NASB, it says Lord. Abraham ran to God and kneeled down and it said Lord. But in their version, it says Jehovah. And that's a contradiction in their own Bible and their own trash.

Because in Exodus 6, verse 3, Jehovah says that he was known to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob by that name. Right. Yep. There's a lot of good stuff there about that. I don't know if you have that already.

Oh, versions of that, I guess. Okay, well, thank you, Matt. All right, brother. And another thing real quick, is YouTube up right now running?

Yes, it is. We're going to be moving over to Matt Slick Live YouTube. And we're still in the process of moving things over.

But if you go to YouTube and look up Matt Slick Live, you'll find it. And we should still be on the CARM YouTube one right now. We're going to switch over by January. That's all. Okay? Okay, sir. All right, Matt. Thank you. All right, man. God bless. Okay. Hey, we'll be back with the mic after the break.

Women in places of authority in the church dance. It's going to be interesting. We'll be right back, folks, after these messages. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show.

Let's just jump on to a call here. Mike from Iowa. Welcome, buddy. You're on the air. Hello, Matt Slick. Hello. How are you? I'm doing really well, actually, in spite of one year of COVID, pulmonary fibrosis stuff. But overall, I'm doing well. Sugar. Yeah, get off of sugar.

What a difference. Well, it puts me into a coma. That's not good.

That's not good. Anyway, I've had two questions I've wanted to ask you for a while. One is, should I forgive somebody even though they're not repentant? I mean, I believe I know the answer to it, but an evangelist friend of mine says absolutely not. No, he's wrong. I know, but I respect this guy.

So now what do I do? I'm going to show you the verse. Okay. Let's see.

Where is it? It's in Colossians 3, forgive as you have been forgiven. Jesus forgave us all of our sins, and we're to emulate Christ. So, we are to forgive people, even if they don't repent. Yeah.

That's it. Period. It seems so wonderfully simple, but the response I got was, well, does God forgive if you don't repent? But I'm not God. Right.

Right. And God does forgive us our sins we don't repent of. That may sound wrong to a lot of people. I'm not saying it's okay to sin. There are just sins that we don't even know we sin, and we don't repent of them.

Oh, boy. And then there are sins we've committed that we forget we've done, which can happen. And we don't repent of them, so to speak. And so, yeah, God does forgive us of our sins. And yes, we are obligated to forgive people. And it's not always easy to do that.

It is not always easy. Well, it just seems to, you know, a pet grudge will kill the person who's petting the grudge, I would say. Yes. That just leaves bitterness, doesn't it?

I know it does for me. Yeah. And, um, let's see. Oh, I'm trying to find the, where is it, Ephesians 4.

Uh, yes. This is Ephesians 4 31. This has to do with forgiveness. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Now, be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. So that's Ephesians 4 31 and 32.

Now, here's the thing. Let bitterness, wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you. So this is interesting, bitterness. So someone wrongs, say someone wrongs me. Whether they really did or didn't, I perceive it as a wrong. And so I hold a grudge against them. I'm bitter. Well, if I don't forgive, the bitterness will take root and grow into anger, wrath and anger, and eventually it moves into slander.

And if it's not put away, it could lead to death, depending. Now, most people are pretty level-headed. They want to go kill somebody because they got insulted. But the thing is, bitterness leads to wrath, which leads to anger, which leads to slander, and it increases. And what happens is, as our heart becomes hardened by the deceitfulness of sin, then we abide in that bitterness, and it becomes our master.

We can't hear the voice of God. And so this is why he says, be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. So that's the standard, is Christ, not whether or not that person wronged me, and I have to make sure that that person pays. Now, there's a difference between forgiving and, so to speak, forgetting, because, you know, if he comes into my house and robs me and I end up forgiving him, I'm not going to invite him back in, you know, under normal circumstances, that kind of thing.

But the idea of forgiveness, and that's what needs to be done. So, okay. I was just surprised that I got that answer. It was like, boy, you know, Mike, you should know that already. What's wrong with you, Michael? So the other one is, why shouldn't women be in a position of leadership?

I think I know. Because the Bible says they're not to be. Yeah, I definitely agree with that, but this is where you start poking the bear's nest, or the bee's nest, or poking the bear. Yeah, I know.

For the people who don't believe scripture and don't want to submit themselves to scripture, of course. Well, so, take my wife. Please. It's okay, I'm already married. Go ahead.

I know. When you start talking, it seems like women are very, very, some women are very offended when you start. I talked about it on my little podcast this morning. When you start talking about the fact that men are to be in a position of leadership, and we need to buck it up, right? That's a serious position. We do. We do need to buck it up.

That's absolutely correct. But if women get offended that the Bible says that, my response is, so? Take it up with the author? Take it up with God.

You don't like it. It's not my problem. You have to deal with it before God. And in your rebellion against God, obviously that's why he doesn't want you in that position. Oh, boy.

That's how you throw fuel on a fire. But sometimes she's right. Well, of course. Women can be right.

Of course. We're not talking about that. We're talking about women leadership in the church. They're not to be elders or pastors or deacons. That's what we're talking about. Can women instruct us?

Of course they can. My wife has got, except for her taste in men, she's got some pretty good thoughts and some good stuff. And so I listened to her.

Yeah. I need to remind my wife of that, too. She absolutely has very good taste. Well, probably not good taste in men.

Most women don't, in my opinion. Oh, wow. Well, you know, my wife was, back in the day, she still is nice looking, but man, she was and why was she with me? That just proved to me that she can't be trusted because her judgment in men is so bad. So I've always been suspicious of her ever since she said I do. Okay.

And then you proved it. You don't have good judgment. So I don't know. But what I do with her when we discuss financial issues, I'm going to do a financial this or that, I talk to her and here's the thing.

This is one of the examples. I'll talk to her. I have an idea and I want to hear what she has to say because sometimes she'll say something that I just hadn't thought of and it's good and it's often changed my mind about something because she has wisdom in a different area.

Now, it's no problem. Can she be a pastor? No. Could she be an elder?

No. I don't care what anybody likes or doesn't like as the scripture says. It doesn't mean she can't instruct or teach.

She's a good woman except for her taste in men. You know? So, and I believe wisdom is referred to in the... Feminine. Yeah.

That's because wisdom has a lot to say. Oh, wow. I'll remember that one. I'm in a lot of trouble now. Alrighty. Digging myself a hole.

Well, I'll be down there in the hole with you, sir. Alright. Alright. Thank you so much.

Love what you do. Alright, buddy. God bless.

Thanks. Alright. See, that's all in fun, folks.

I hope the ladies are laughing. Alright. Oh, here's a joke I heard. You know why women...

Wait. Why do men die sooner than women? In marriages, men don't live as long as women do.

Because they're married to women. I told that to my wife. She chuckled. She thought it was funny. Anyway, I like jokes like that. It's fun. Other guys, too. So I'm not a chauvinist, folks.

But it was funny. Alright. Let's get to Amor from North Carolina.

Amor, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. I'm listening with the previous caller.

I'm laughing also what you're talking about. Thank you for taking my call again. I called yesterday, and I listened to you every day.

I really do. I understand what you said about him. I got that. I just did not realize what you're saying yesterday.

But that's not the reason I'm asking you today what I call. I've been around. As I said, I come from the Philippines.

I used to grow up Catholic. I've been in America almost 30 years. I just came here as soon as Bill Clinton inaugurated.

I just came here that year in January of 1993. I've listened to being in the South, in the Carolinas and everything, churches everywhere, Billy Graham. I listen to the old. I saturate myself sometimes.

Even Rosalind, you better believe it or not. But anyway, I don't want to go on that. But I want to ask you, because I have just started listening to you, what directs you to be in the apologetic? What started me? Because the reason I'm asking that is I'm also feeling, leading that way, I asked my former pastor, but I did not continue that time many years ago.

It's just like it's coming back to me that I want to be like maybe start to seminary school or Bible college or something like that. What's your question? I'm not sure I understand the question. Well, we've got a break, so hold on, okay? We'll be right back, buddy. Okay. Hey, folks.

We have an open line, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. All right, Amor, you're back. Okay, so what's your question, buddy? Yeah, because as I said, I really like listening to you every day. And I heard a lot of, back in the day, from Billy Graham to Charleston, because they went to a revival and changed their life and they're little kids.

What's your question, though? So what made you, what point in your life that this is what you want to do? Oh, you mean what started me in apologetics? What started me in apologetics?

Well, not only apologetics, but spreading the word. I mean, that's what you do. And what triggered you to do that? You could have been... I can tell you. I don't want to tell you? Okay, I can tell you. Okay.

Okay. So a friend of mine named Chuck Spine, he's in the room here, he read me a quote. And we had met like one week earlier at a Bible study in 1979 or 1980. I don't know.

I just say 1980. And he read me a quote. And this is the quote that he read me. God is in a still, small voice in all his affidavits, indictments. It is all of the devil, all corruption. Come on, you prosecutors. Your false swears, all hell boil over.

Your burning mountains roll down your lava, for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam.

A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I.

And that infuriated me. And I said, I ripped the paper out of his hand, and I said, who said this? And I wasn't in apologetics.

I wasn't doing anything. I was just at a Bible study checking things out. And I said, who said this? And he said, Joseph Smith.

I said, well, who's that? He said, the founder of Mormonism. And I said, well, Mormons are Christians, but he is not from saying this.

And he looked at me. He said, no, Mormons are not Christians. I said, of course they are. He said, no, they're not. I said, well, why not? And he started telling me what they teach.

God from another planet and goddess wife and salvation by works. I'm like, what? And so I got upset. And I said, where did you get this information? He told me there was a Bible study he was going to, but taught at a certain place across the street from Disneyland, actually. And I said, I want to go. Now, this is a Friday night, or I think it was the Bible study, that he introduced this to me.

We exchanged phone numbers. And by Saturday morning, I didn't want to go. Sunday morning, I wasn't planning on going. Monday morning, I wasn't planning on going. Tuesday morning, I was not planning on going to this study.

I didn't care. And then he called me up. He said, are you going? And I said, yes. And I don't know why I did. I just knew I was supposed to go. And I went. And I've been studying ever since.

So that's what got me into it. Do you go to a church sometime and have you preached in a church? I am an ex-pastor.

I love your debate. I searched them a lot. Well, I'm an ex-pastor. I have a Master's of Divinity from Westminster Theological Seminary. And I've been doing apologetics since 1980. And my website, karme.org, since 1995.

And the site had 148 million visitors. And I've been doing radio for 17 years, written nine books. So I do a lot of debates. So I'm not boasting. I'm just saying this is what the Lord has done. The Lord's done this, not me.

This is him. I'm sorry. I know you didn't get time. I'll let you go. I'll call again next time. I'll let you go. There's a big seminary here in where I live.

It's called Southeastern Seminary, Wake Forest, North Carolina. It's a big one. And I'm a nurse.

I've been working almost 30 years. I feel like I want to do something more that I kind of make me. Okay.

When we get callers, I want to get to the callers. But I want to tell you something, okay? I'm going to tell you something. If you want to get into apologetics, you're asking for trouble.

Because in order to be an apologist, you've got to learn a great deal and you have to have your heart scraped from the inside out. God will deal with you. God will teach you. God will put it upon you.

And it has to be something that is in you that you desire to do because it's a long, lonely road. I have been threatened with death. I've been swatted. I've been threatened with lawsuits. I've been kicked out of churches because of some of the things I've taught and said because sometimes Christians are just whacked. I've had Mormons threaten me. I've been physically assaulted. I've had Satanists say they want to kill me and my family.

We've had the FBI involved in stuff. And so this is the kind of thing that apologetics can lead to. When you defend the faith, you're going after the enemy, not just reacting and waiting until he comes to you.

I go after. So this is not easy to do. It's very difficult to do. And it is something that you have to learn all kinds of stuff.

You have to have a critical mind and be able to remember a lot of stuff. So I tell people, if you want to be an apologist, you're asking for trouble. But you better be prepared and you better be ready for God to change you because it's going to come and it won't be easy.

All right? Okay, Mark, God bless you and I keep listening to you. More power to you and thank you for taking my call. You're welcome, buddy. God bless, man.

God bless. Thank you. All right. Okay. Let's get to, let's see, Adam from Arkansas. Sorry for waiting so long, buddy. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt, I got a question. I was in a Church of Christ background church, but I wasn't saved. The Church of Christ, I was saved at Celebrate Recovery.

Well, I know that God drew me to his son because I've got into the scriptures and I acknowledge that he's sovereign over my salvation. Well, I keep debating with Church of Christ and they keep going to Ezekiel 18, 20. The person who sins will die?

Where we don't pay for the sins of our fathers yet. Yeah, that's the context. Romans. Mm-hmm. Keep going. Romans 5, 12 through 21 and High Light in 18 where we were made sinners and I know you, I'm wondering from you it's written in the Aorist.

Yeah, all the 519 is where it's written in the Aorist passive indicative. So let me just done two of, but they don't want to acknowledge that. Well, now that I'm in a biblically sound, it's Calvinist leaning church. I love that about it. My pastor is Jeremiah Northier. He's coming up to an upcoming debate on the gospel truth. What's your question though? Okay, we're running out of time.

We've got callers waiting on us. My question is, I'm getting re-baptized because the guy that baptized me doesn't hold to sola fide. Is that appropriate for me to be re-baptized? Okay, let me ask you, he doesn't believe in faith alone.

So in other words, okay, this gets complicated. So he was saying that he has to do good works to be saved? Yeah, they believe in baptism or regeneration of the church cross. So I'm not going to get into the depth of the theology of the issue of what baptism is and who is the ultimate author of it, which is God. An atheist could baptize you in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and it's a legitimate baptism. Baptism is not made valid or invalid in the Trinitarian sense by the baptizer. So I could make the argument that even though it's the Church of Christ heretic that baptism is valid. However, what I'd like to say is that theologically people can understand this but in a heartfelt sense they're not comfortable with it. And so they can understand it but I just want to get baptized again and make sure.

And I think that that's okay. Even though the Bible says one faith, one Lord, one baptism, I don't think it necessitates only one act of baptism is permitted. So I think that if you want to get baptized in a proper sense outside the Church of Christ, I'm for it.

I would do it. I mean, I would re-baptize you. But if you were to say I think theologically it was still valid even though it was a heretic, I would say, okay, no problem. All right? All right, thank you very much, Matt. So what are you going to do? I'm going to get re-baptized because every time we see somebody getting baptized they help by the soul of today. So I'm going to help by my conscience to be re-baptized.

Good, before your conscience, before God. And God's not going to punish you and blame you if it somehow is wrong. I don't believe it is.

Even though I say I don't believe it is, maybe it is, but I believe so. He's not going to punish you. All right? You're trying to honor him, and that's what the issue is here. All right, buddy? All right, thank you, Matt. All right, man. God bless. All right. God bless. God bless.

Okay. All right, let's get to Jason from Arizona. Jason, welcome. You're on the air, buddy. Hey, Matt. Appreciate it.

Sure. My question is, I've been reading a lot of commentaries on specifically Romans 11 29 about the gifts of God are irrevocable. And most of the commentaries that I were reading, Matt, were saying, you know, that just applies to Jews and God's plan for the Jewish nation. It's almost like they were trying to rob me of, as a Christian, like, well, what about eternal life as a free gift?

Like, they're omitting that. Do we know for a fact that eternal life is irrevocable in Romans 11 29? Well, eternal life is spoken of as the Greek word charisma, which is in Romans 6 23, for the free gift of God's eternal life. The word gift is charisma. The word for gifts here and the gifts of the calling of God are irrevocable in Romans 11 29 is also charisma. So salvation is a charismatic gift, and it's irrevocable. I think it's a good verse for eternal security. God will not revoke that gift. Now, there are different levels of gift.

I'm going quickly because we're running out of time. There's what's called the sign gifts and the general gifts, the sign gifts speaking in tongues and things like that. People say that those have ended with the completion of the canon, and I don't agree with that. Now, they could be right. I don't believe they are. I'm open to being corrected, but I just don't see that as being biblical.

And so, you know, okay, I'm not going to disfellowship myself from somebody who holds in that position. So these commentaries that are saying, oh, that can just be applied to Jews, but they're not taking it as a Christian for themselves. Why are they doing that, do you think?

There's only one commentary that, yeah, go ahead. Everybody has presuppositions, and they'll argue from their presuppositional base. So, for example, when you go to 1 Corinthians 13, when it says, when the perfect comes, in verse 10, the partial shall be done away, they say the perfect means the completion of the Bible, but it's never used in that way in the Bible. And so they have their presuppositions, and they'll argue the rest of it in light of the presupposition. I don't do that. I just say, well, what is, you don't have time to get into it, but I have a way of looking at it and say, what does it say? Let's look at how the words are used. Let's look at this, let's look at that. So commentaries have their ways of doing that as well. This is why the scripture should always be superior.

I thought it would be illogical for them to omit eternal life, but just say, no, this just pertains to the plans of God, to the Jews. I agree with you. Call back tomorrow. We don't want to go so fast, and we can talk about that and the issue because it's worth it. Okay, buddy, we've got to go. Sorry, Jason. Call back tomorrow. Hey, Gabriel, I know you waited a long and a half hour to apologize for that, why we rejected the apocrypha. Please call back tomorrow and talk about that because I'll give you the reason we reject it, and it should be rejected as inspired. God bless everybody. This is another program powered by the Truth Network.