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October 28, 2021 4:00 am

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October 28, 2021 4:00 am

Open calls, questions, and discussion with Matt Slick LIVE in the studio. Questions include---1- What are the ramifications or consequences spiritually of a church's members with a female pastor---2- Have you read the book Christian Muslim dialogue---3- Do Christians go through any type of judgment when Christ returns---4- What is the biblical doctrine regarding Mary, sin, and her virginity---5- A caller wanted to disagree regarding women pastors, citing Galatians 3-28.--6- What should the church's standpoint be on the vaccine mandate---7- While Jesus was being crucified, did he still have control over the universe -holding it together-, etc-

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Benjamin, welcome. You're on the air. How you doing, sir? Doing all right.

Hang in there, man. What do you got? A buddy from the Tacoma, Washington, representing 2506 Area Code, Washington, Washington.

Okay, that's FEMA camp, something, FEMA roads, anyway, I don't know. Yeah, so what do you got? So, two quick questions. First question, I went to visit a church, and they have a female pastor I know, not too well, but we know each other, and I was sitting in there today, pretty good message, and I just want to know, what are the ramifications spiritually of a female pastor, if there is any?

Yeah, sure. Because I don't know, you probably don't believe in female pastors, I want to know, what's the consequences of female pastors? Sin, sin, it's a sinful thing, because Paul the apostle says that he gives instructions on how to behave in the household of God, and that's in 1 Timothy 3.15. In the previous chapter, he says, he does not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remains silent, for Adam was first created.

And also in 1 Timothy 3, he says, the elders and the deacons, along with that, the elders, deacons, bishops, in Titus chapter 1 and 1 Timothy 3, must be men of one wife, husbands of one wife, and so this woman pastor is in rebellion against the word of God, and all who are sitting under her are participating in her rebellion, flat out, and you know what, I'm going to just say this again, if anybody wants to debate me on this publicly, a public, formal, moderated debate, filmed, put on live, you want to debate me on this, let's debate, you know, court of the scriptures, does the Bible support the idea of having women pastors and elders? Well just, that'd be the topic. And anybody want to take me up on it?

I've been offering this now for about, on the radio, about 17 years, and haven't had any takers yet. Now why is that? Why do you think that is? Oh boy.

Yeah, so. Rebellion, I mean I agree with you, that's a strong word, so, again, what are the consequences for the people that go to that church and people that are on staff spiritually? Hardened heart, refusal, they're rebelling against God, the elders are supposed to be able to teach sound doctrine and refute error.

When the Bible clearly tells us that a woman is not to teach or exercise the authority of her man, for Adam was first created, that is not a cultural thing. And when you go to 1 Timothy 3, what Paul the apostle says in verse 15, he says, in case I'm delayed, I'm writing to let you know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God. So that's what he says in 1 Timothy 3, 15. 1 Timothy 3, 15. And here's what he says in 1 Timothy 3, 2. An overseer must be above reproach the husband of one wife.

Okay, that's what it says. Overseer is the Greek word episkopos, and deacons must likewise be men of dignity, not double minded, not double tongued. And then I said that must be, these men must be first tested. And then it says women must likewise be dignified, not malicious gossips. That's tied up for Timothy 3. Now I'm going to go to Titus 1.

Okay. He starts off in verse 5. I left you in Crete to appoint elders in every city as I directed you. The word elders is in the Greek presbuterois, or presbuteroos, and it is accused of masculine, which means it's a direct object, indirect object. So here's the thing. It says, if any man is above reproach the husband of one wife, having children who believe, it says for the overseer, that's the word episkopos again.

So the overseer and the elder are basically the same thing. And they're to be the husband of one wife. How does a woman fit that? It's simple. You ask, how does it fit?

How do they fit? And the answer is, they don't. So, in my research, 80% of the churches and denominations that adopt women pastors within two generations started proving homosexuality. So let's just say I go into that church, and I've talked to women pastors before, and I tell you the reaction I get. I've seen women pastors, and they say, hey, you know, you're a woman pastor?

Oh, yes, yes, blah, blah, blah. I say, well, I studied the Bible, and I was wondering if you'd like to have a discussion on the biblical stance of women as ministers, pastors. And they immediately say, not interested in talking to you.

Just that fast. Even if I say, but the scriptures tell you to give me an answer, 1 Peter 3.15, they don't want anything to do with it. And I'll tell you why. Because they know that I would quote the scriptures that speak against what they're doing, against it. And they don't want anything to do with it, because they're in rebellion against God and his word in this area.

Okay, so you definitely answered my question. So if I'm hearing you right, it opens the door to allowing, like you said, homosexuality, allowing things that are contrary to will of God by having women worship pastors. Well, it's just not the place. Now, here's a theological reason for this as well. So let me expand on it a little bit more, because I don't want you to think that Paul is just a chauvinist. Well, if he was just a chauvinist, as people like to judge him, say, well, who are you? Who are you to say what is right and is wrong and can be done and can't be done? I've had people say, well, Paul was wrong.

I mean, I'm serious. And it's women who told me Paul was wrong. Say, man, you know, you're arrogant. And they don't like me calling them that. You know, I'm not talking to you. You're so rude. You're intolerant.

You're right. I am intolerant. I'm not being rude.

I'm just being truthful. You don't like the truth. And they don't want you to do with this.

They do not like when I confront them. And I confront the men. I went to a local church here.

Sorry, I've got to teach you about something. But I went to a local church and they had women elders. And the pastor, the assistant pastor and I had a meeting. And I wasn't aggressive. I wasn't mean. I just said, well, you know, you're supposed to give me an answer.

So here you are. And he gave me the best defense he could from scripture. I answered it very easily and then went to the scriptures he ignored that speak in contradiction to what he said. I said, here's what it says. Just like when I read you. It says, how's a woman going to be the husband of one wife?

How's that work? And he said, well, we just disagree. In other words, I know what it says, but I'm not going to submit to what it says because we're just going to disagree. Now, that person qualified to be an elder? No. Now, Adam and Eve were in the garden.

Okay. I'm going to teach a little theology here because Paul says he does not allow a woman. I'm going to read this and give you a little bit of theological reasons on why this is the case.

Because it's not just as simple as people like to say. And so Adam and Eve were in the garden and Eve sinned first. She then gave the fruit to Adam and then he sinned.

And so, yeah, I'm looking at something else. I'm typing that. So she sinned first. She gave the fruit to Adam. Then he sinned.

But the Bible says in Romans 5 12 that sin entered the world through Adam, not through Eve, even though she sinned first. And when they were hiding, the pre-incarnate Jesus came and said to the man, where are you? He didn't address the woman.

Not first and later, but first to the man, where are you? Because he was the one in spiritual authority and control. And Paul says in 1 Timothy 2 12 and 13, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. The word quiet is hasukiah and it means to keep it down. It doesn't mean to be absolutely silent. It just means, you know, keep it down. Okay. For it was Adam who was first created and then Eve.

So he's tying it into the traded order. That's in 1 Timothy 2 12 and 13 and the next chapter he says he's giving a structure on how to behave in the household of God. And I have people say, no, Paul just wasn't right or whatever. They're idiots. I'm sorry, but they're going against the word of God.

How do you do that? Now, why does Adam, why does Adam have that representative authority? Because it says Romans 5 12 sin entered the world through Adam. Well, it entered through one man because he represented us in Romans 5 19 through his transgression. The many that's everybody were made sinners by what he did to air his passive indicative. And so he, he did this.

All right. Now Jesus is called the last Adam. First Corinthians 15 56 I think it is 56 no 50 45 the last Adam. He represented his people. It's called representation. If people are going to deny that Adam represented us and had that authority to do so, then they had to deny that Jesus had the authority to represent us. This is theological and it's based ultimately in the work of Christ, which is why Adam was a representative and a covenant.

And God made a covenant with Adam and all people in Adam. Well, this is theology. That's never taught from pulpits.

Well, I'd say never, but you know, I never hear it. And, um, and so they are in rebellion and, uh, they need to repent women pastors and women elders need to step down and tell the men to stand up and do their jobs. The men need to start doing it. And if things don't get done in the church, women, then don't let them get done. Just let it go. Let the men finally get going and get off their lazy rears and start doing something. Don't tell them, let them and don't get in their way. You know, you can do this nag, nag, nag.

Don't do that. If, you know, the door is not open because a woman was normally doing it, they can surely do that. But my point is, you know what, men need to stand up and start being Christian men and start standing in the word of God and say, this is what it says. And I'm standing for my Lord and my savior, Jesus Christ. I don't care what others think. That's what I'm doing.

That's the kind of men we need in this world today. Okay. You're the only one in America probably doing it right now. I don't know anyone else. Well, I do. I know others who would say the same thing and would be able to debate it very easily. I'm just more of a public figure than they are. But there are those who do that.

And it's good. They're out there. But women pastors and elders. And again, I'll debate. I want to debate a woman on this.

I would love to debate a woman on this, woman pastor. I would love it. As in love it so much I would marry it.

That's what I'd love it. So, okay. Oh, I got issues. I know. All right, buddy. There you go. All right. Appreciate it. All right, man.

God bless. Hey, folks, we'll be right back. We have two open lines. Want to give me a call? Join in the mayhem. 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome to the show.

I'm sorry. I just got distracted by reading what's going on on the... I don't know what to call this thing.

Hey, Keith, he's listening. What do we call this thing? The Comrec Stack? I guess. Okay.

It's where all the calls come in. I can read them. All right, let's see. That's what he called it? Okay, he says yes. He's all right. Keith is a great guy. We talk before the show almost every single time. Except when he's lazy and takes a day off and does something important like take his wife to the doctor. You know, stuff like that. And then I tease him about it. But, yeah, he's a good guy.

Anyway, let's see. Let's get to Rudolph from Raleigh, North Carolina. Rudolph, welcome. You're on the air.

Rudolph. Yeah, I'm here. Ready? Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Hello?

Yes, I hear you. Okay. My friend is a Muslim and I was trying to witness to him. He brought up a book that I didn't know about, but I figured if anyone knew, you would. The book is called Christian Muslim Dialogue. Have you ever read that? No, not read it, but I think I know what it is. I'm trying to remember who the participants are.

I can't remember off the top of my head. But, yeah, it's an attempt. He's trying to convert you.

Okay? I know he is, but he's going to do it because I'm trying to get him to speak the truth. He actually says that the Christian Bible was written by a man. Of course I don't understand.

Who do you think we're rewarding? No, he doesn't understand. I mean, the Quran was written by a man.

Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. So what I would do if I were you is I'd go to karm.org and go to the cut and paste section and look at this stuff on Islam. And in there are quotes from the Quran that tell the Muslims to go to the Christians and ask them what the truth is. And I have it documented. If the Bible's corrupted, why is it that Allah is telling the Muslims to go to the Christians and ask them questions? The documentation of the Quran is there. You can ask them, all right? But what you want to focus on is how were his sins forgiven?

How were his sins forgiven? Right. And that's what I do a lot. I never, because I have a lot of Muslim friends, I never go to the New Testament because they love to attack Paul. They love to attack Paul.

So I always go to the first time. Well, what you do, when they attack Paul, you go to Acts chapter nine, where Jesus called Paul and told him to, to be his messenger and say, was Jesus wrong here? Okay. Real simple. So the information is on karm. I have maybe over a hundred articles I've written on Islam, but there's there, go check it out. And you can go online and get books, answers to Islam and just how to respond.

Oh, there's so much good stuff out there. Okay. Okay.

One other question. I knew you're a Presbyterian Calvinist, right? Yeah, I'm a Calvinist, yes. Right. I was listening to, I don't think you believe this, but I was going to ask because he said, I was listening to all three ministries over the weekend. And this guy said that Calvinists believe that everyone is going to have to go to the great white throne judgment.

Is that true? Yeah. And that's a proper doctrine. It doesn't matter if you're Calvinist or not. The judgment of our works, but not the judgment of our salvation. If it's particularly the great white throne, I don't know if that is, but there's several judgments, but we go through judgment of our works, but not for salvation.

That's okay. That's in Christ. Right. That's a being received for Christ, right? That's a being received for Jesus. Yeah. We're passed out of that judgment. That's correct. We just believe in salvation by grace.

Yeah. I'm not sure what's which actually, because there's some conflicting information from what I've seen or ways to understand it a little bit differently. But no, Calvinists don't believe that we're going to face a judgment for salvation. That occurred by Jesus on the cross. And what Calvinists believe is that Jesus paid the sin debt at the cross.

That's where it was canceled. That's Colossians 2.14. And that God grants that we believe, Philippians 1.29, and we're justified by faith. Romans 5.1.

We trust in him. That's it. Okay.

I thought that he was wrong when he said that, but I just wanted to make sure. If you haven't called me. Thank you. Okay. All right, man. God bless, buddy. Yes, sir. All right. My God bless you. Bye-bye.

All right. Let's get to Nathan from Virginia. Nathan, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. I've got a question for you.

Sure. So, I'll give you the context. Talking to a Catholic.

Oh, boy. They assert that Mary was free from original sin because she had to birth Jesus free from original sin. What is the proper doctrine on that, and how does it work? Mary was a – I mean, the Catholic version or the biblical version? The biblical version, because when they brought it up, I was like, I'm not sure how to answer this because I haven't studied it.

Matthew 1.25, Joseph kept her a virgin until Jesus was born. That's what it says. Now, what do you think that means? So, what they'll do is they'll say, well, the word until over in other places means this. So, therefore, in that context over here, that's what it means.

So, it's called illegitimate totality transfer. It's an eschatical error. So, they say she was without sin. She was conceived in sin.

It's called the Immaculate Conception. Not that Jesus was conceived in sin, but that she was because she had to be the God bearer. So, she had to be sinless. So, I just ask them, can you show me that in the scripture? Where does it say that she has to be sinless?

It doesn't say that. In fact, she says, rejoice in God my Savior, Luke 1.47. But then they'll say, yeah, that means that she was kept from original sin. And then they just have their answers. They're not good ones, but they have answers. And then I go in because they're elevating Mary over Jesus. And then what I do is I start reading what they say about Mary, the official documents of the Catholic Church. Oh, my goodness. It's bad. Yes, I have that bookmarked to reference.

On Carm? Because it's... Well, I guess my question is, I know Jesus has two natures, human and divine. I guess my thought on it when I originally thought of it was, well, Jesus is not in Adam, so he's free from original sin because the federal headship is from the Father, not from Adam.

There you go. That seems to be the answer. Theologically, he had no biological father, so he wasn't counted in that way. So theologians have theorized, we don't know, theorized that the sin nature is passed down through the Father or the federal headship through the Father, and then it's the product of fallenness. We just don't know because the Bible doesn't tell us and we can't figure that one out. But Jesus had his, so to speak, father as God the Father. Actually, the Holy Spirit moved on her.

So it was not, as Muslims think, that God actually had relations, like Mormons teach too. But make sense? Okay. All right. Thank you very much, Matt. All right, man. God bless, buddy. Hey, we'll be right back after this when I talk to a guy about women pastors.

He doesn't agree with me. Oh, I'm looking forward to this. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, but welcome back to the show. Let's get to Scott from Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Scott, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you. Yeah, I do disagree with you concerning the women in leadership roles and pastoral roles.

I just turned the radio on. You're talking to this gentleman. I know, you know, when I think of Galatians 3.28, it talks about, you know, neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. Just because something's in the Bible doesn't mean that, you know, I believe that the word of God is inspired.

Wait, finish your sentence. Just because something's in the Bible, it doesn't mean what? Just because something is in the Bible doesn't mean that we, I mean, just say this properly. You know, like this verse, Galatians 3.28. You're not finishing your sentence.

Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean... I'm trying to. Okay.

I'm trying to finish my sentence. All right. Yeah. Okay. There's neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. Just because slave is in there doesn't condone the fact that we can own a slave. Correct.

Yes, that's correct. In biblical hermeneutics, context is everything. And what is going on here in Galatians 3.28 is not about women pastors and elders or church authority. It's about salvation in Christ, through Christ. And the context is about a tutor, as was a cultural thing I get into and I explain, and then you're clothed with Christ.

It has to do with the cultural thing of tutors in the home, raising children, and then when the children graduated, they were given a new robe, and they were clothed. So the law points us to that verse 24. That's why it says there's neither Jew nor Greek. And so you can't apply that to pastoral stuff because the Bible specifically says a woman is not to teach or exercise authority over a man. So what you're doing unintentionally is setting scripture against scripture.

Are there verses that are in the Bible that, you know, maybe for a particular era, it was written in the context for those individual people? Of course. Yes, absolutely.

Because sometimes we read the scripture, sometimes we read the scripture and we want to make application to our American lives or our Western world. Yeah, right? Yeah, that's correct. But let me read this to you.

And my desire, okay, and then I want to say something real quick. This is what Paul the Apostle says, But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man but to remain quiet, for Adam was first created and then Eve. So he's tying it to the created order, right? So it's not cultural, is it?

Yes. I don't believe it is. Okay, so a woman is not to teach or exercise authority over a man, right? This is in the church context because the next chapter he says he's giving instruction on how to behave in the household of God. So he's talking specifically about church leadership and stuff like that. And he said it doesn't allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man in that church context because Adam was first created. So it's not cultural, was it? Right?

I'm not sure. Because Adam was first created, that's the created order by God Almighty. Paul the Apostle is tying it to what God did.

It's not a cultural thing, it's the created order. God created Adam and then Eve. And when sin entered into the world... You can... Go ahead, sorry. No, go ahead.

It's all right. Well, first of all, I think if we want to debate, I hope that it would be in a restorative spirit to whether it be a brother or a sister and not to exert that we know more or that... Because I do believe that Galatians 3.28 talks about equality. Yes, but you've got to understand there's this really bad word that a lot of people don't like and it's called context. I know Galatians 3.28 very well and I have an article on it. But look, you have to understand, it's what it says in verse 23. But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith, which was later to be revealed. Therefore, the law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ so that we may be justified by faith. We're talking about salvation. But now that faith has come, we're no longer under a tutor, for you're all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all who are baptized into Christ have clothed themselves with Christ. There's neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free nor...

Neither male nor female. You're all one in Christ. It's not about church order. It's about salvation.

So if you were to take it and apply it over to another verse, you're violating scripture. Remind me who it was that argued over circumcision. Was it Paul and another brother? One believed that there had to be a physical circumcision. The other believed that it was a circumcision of the heart. Paul talked about circumcision of the heart. Yes, in Romans 2, 28, 29, 30. That's a true circumcision. You see, what you're doing... Do you go to church with a woman pastor?

At times, yes. She's in rebellion against God's word. And you could politely tell her, there's a guy on the radio who'd love to invite her on the radio.

Or I would fly out to where she is if she wants to debate me publicly in the church and have a discussion and go through this. No problem. It's not a mean thing. I'm a nice guy. This is important because males, men, are failing to do their jobs. And when women step into the place of where a man is, he has all the more reason to do nothing. And 80% of the denominations and churches that I've ever researched on this issue, within two generations of affirming women pastors and elders, within two generations, 80% start adopting pro-homosexual stuff. So let me ask you a question. Just curious. Is homosexuality a sin?

Just curious. What do you think? Is it a sin?

I believe the scripture is clear on a man should not be with a man as with a woman, and vice versa, so yes, it is a sin. Okay. Good.

And so when Paul clearly says, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over men that are being silent, for Adam was first created, is that clear or not clear? It's clear. I really don't know. Yes. I really don't know. I agree with you on that. I tell you what. Here's why I don't. Here's why I don't. You know, I know I'll use, I won't say a name, but a gentleman that used to be an apologetic, a jettest, said that out of all the people that Christ chose to reveal that he was risen from the dead, it was women.

Of course, women are great. I agree, but if they don't have validity, if they shouldn't teach, if they shouldn't preach, if they shouldn't proclaim, then why did God allow or choose even two women to witness the resurrection and to be the ones to proclaim that? Well, he did that, but it doesn't mean they could be preachers and teachers because Paul clearly tells us so. What you're trying to do is ignore what the Scriptures clearly teach. Now, if I were to go to Titus chapter 1, this is one of the pastoral epistles. This is what Paul says. Now, a pastor is automatically an elder. That's 1 Timothy 5.17.

But notice what he says. For this reason I left you in Crete that you should set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely if a man is above reproach, the husband of one wife. How does a woman pastor become a husband of one wife? Yeah, so when you said that to that gentleman, I was thinking about different verses like it says that God gives his beloved rest or he who finds a wife finds a good thing.

So if somebody hasn't found a wife, does that mean that God's favor is not on them and they haven't found a good thing? You're not answering my question. You're not answering the question, okay? So, Scott, what you're doing is you're resisting. I mean this pastorly, okay? You're resisting the word of truth because you have a sensation and a feeling and you want to subject the word of God to what you think is right. And I've tried to show you that when you went to Galatians 3.28 that you took it out of context and you tried to apply it to contradict a very clear place of Scripture. When I tell you, Paul says, I don't allow this. You say, well, I don't know if it's clear. And yet when you go to Galatians 3.28, you know, neither the male nor female, Jew or Greek, we're all one in Christ, you say it's very clear and it means you can be women pastors.

And it's not even talking about that. So what's happening is, and I'm not trying to get on you here, I just want you to understand that what you're doing is subjecting the word of God to your feelings. And you have a feeling and an idea of women pastors, okay, it's not. And I formally, officially offer the challenge for the umpteenth time, I've been on radio like 17, almost 17 years, and I keep offering, let's debate it, let's have a public debate. And nobody takes me up on it, nobody.

I'm not the only one. There are lots of people who would be glad to debate this. You know, not me, let's go.

You give me your best arguments and I'll give you my best arguments. Let's see, let's see what the Scripture says. You see, they don't want to do this because they'll lose. Because it's what the Scriptures teach, okay? They will lose, and that's why they don't want to be any part of it.

And they know they'll lose, and so they continue to rebel against God's word. We've got to go, buddy, there's a break, okay? Keep listening, all right? Okay, thanks for calling. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back, everyone. As long as waiting is Buskman from Dayton, Ohio.

Hey, Buskman, welcome here on the air. Hey, we talked a little earlier there, my dear friend Matt, about Saeed, my Muslim friend, and thank you for the other callers that called because I got a little bit more information. And I will be getting you those publishers' names.

Sir, I'm sorry I've been busy, but I want to get you those publishers of those pamphlets that my friend sent. Matt, I want to ask you this, sir. In light of our current condition here in the United States of America, what should the Christian and or the Church's stance be on, I'll pick a topic, Matt, the COVID, Matt, vaccine mandate, as opposed to what Paul has written to us in Romans 13, and then a lot of Christians don't even know that there were other, Titus spoke of obeying the government, as did Peter, and it seems like they always focus on Romans 13, 1 to 2, and I would love your take on that. On what? How do we submit to the government in light of COVID and mask wearing?

Yes. The United States government does not have the authority, according to the Constitution, to mandate what we put into our bodies. It's an oppressive, authoritarian thing. So they don't have that right, but because the news media is leftist and because so many people are weak-minded, they're not standing up for what the Constitution says and what these people swore to uphold. They're not doing it because the Socialists are moving in to take over. And with that comes the issue of loss of freedom.

So this is what it is. As a Christian, Matt, what should our response be, brother? What should the Christian's response be? We always obey the government unless the government contradicts Scripture. The Bible teaches, government-wise, it teaches that we are not to adopt socialism. It's not a biblical position. And the biblical position is that we have a representative form of government out of Exodus 18, self-governance out of Matthew 18, private property rights, Exodus 20. Love those scriptures. I've got a lot. Love those scriptures. Please repeat them if you would.

That was bad. Well, you just go to karm.org, C-A-R-M, and type in what is socialism. And at the bottom of the article, and that's where I've written this, I wrote it within a writer a while back, you can just go there and read, and it's listed. You know, the principles of liberty and freedom, capitalist principles, witnesses and a fair trial. This is not what the left wants. And so we have to resist, biblically, we've got to resist socialism, because socialism ultimately is a confiscation, it's a form of stealing. It's legal. And this is a problem.

And it is. Socialism is communism-lite. And then people don't realize that as socialism and power increases, the bureaucracy around it and within it increases, which means in order to gain power and keep power, they have to restrict power from the individuals. And so they always confiscate guns from the population, because if they can confiscate guns and weapons, then they can control them. And this is just how it works. Like what happened in Australia.

What's happening in Australia, which is back to a penal colony. It's bad news. Yeah, isn't that a shame.

Yeah, it is. So the Christian is in the right to contact his congresspeople, his senators, his local governments, school boards, state legislatures. And run for politics, and preachers should be mentioning this stuff in the pulpit.

When it's appropriate. Not every day. Wow, Matt, that's a powerful statement, sir. It's a biblical statement. All areas of theology, all areas of life are under the lordship of Jesus Christ.

All areas. Jesus says, give the Caesar what is Caesar's. He didn't say don't do anything with politics. It's the fact that the Christians have bought into this lie that separation of church and state means that we can't even talk about it in the pulpit.

Where did they get off? Where's the secular state giving us the right to speak or not speak the truth from the pulpit? And the people who submit to that.

The law that goes up. Yeah, go ahead, sir. Finish your statement. The ones who submit to that are weaklings. They need to stand up and be men and speak the truth, not be afraid to speak the truth.

And say what needs to be said and face the consequences. Let me ask you this, Matt. Yeah?

Yes. The 5013c status seems like that's the main reason, brother, that churches will not even get close to that water. Guess what? Guess what?

I run a 501c3 organization. Look what I'm saying on the radio. You should vote for Biden. You should not have voted for him. He's a wannabe commie who is pro-homosexual and pro-abortion and pro-socialist.

Christians don't have a right to vote for him. I would say it. I know you're probably saying it. There you go.

You don't like it? Take away my 501c3. Would you say that from your pulpit? Yes.

Would you say that from your pulpit, though, Matt? Yes. You would?

Yes, I would. Okay. Yeah.

Awesome. No, I am behind you. This is my pulpit.

Yes. I preach and teach here, and I've been doing it for years and years and years, and I'll say it, and we have got to resist the socialist movement and the liberalism of our society and our government. Amen. But you need to do it in a godly way, not with violence. Amen.

You need to do it by voting, and you need to get people, Christians, in offices, and we need to vote in bloc, and we need to make sure that we can trust our elections. Amen. Amen. So, you see, I'm not a Christian who sits. I'm a Christian who believes in going out and making disciples of all nations and resisting evil.

That's what I do, brother. Okay. Yes. All right.

And all Christians should do that to some degree. It just depends on the capacity. Okay. Hey, thank you so much. I've got stuff on COVID I'll probably be talking about tomorrow or the next day that is going to be shocking. Awesome. I'll tune in. I'll tune in at the FAIRS website, okay? Wow. I mean it.

It's going to be shocking. I found it over the weekend. I went and verified stuff today. And I can find that at CARM.org? Yeah, it's not released yet, but you can go to CARM.org forward slash COVID and see what's there. I'm going to release some information. Probably tomorrow I'll talk to people about checking it out. And then the story that you referred to to my question was what is socialism, correct?

What is socialism on color? Go check it out. Okay? All right, buddy? Awesome. Okay. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much, Matt. Have a great evening, sir. All right.

God bless. Bye. All right.

Let's get to Paul from Virginia if he's still there for 36 minutes. Sorry, buddy. You there?

Yes, I'm here. Sorry for the long wait, man. Oh, it's okay. Okay. I'll put you on hold again.

No, I'm kidding. The reason for my call today is I would like to know or I would like to tell you and your listeners about a book that I bought about a week ago called COVID-19 and the Global Predators. We are the prey by Peter R. Breggin, MD with his wife Ginger Ross Breggin. And there are introductions in the book. I figured this would help you in your research that you stated some weeks ago that you're doing concerning COVID-19 and these COVID-19 shots. And with this book, COVID-19 and the Global Predators, we are the prey by Dr. Peter Breggin. He's got forwards or introductions in the book by Peter A. McCullough, Elizabeth Lee Bellet and Vladimir Zelenko. All of these are doctors.

And he's, I've only started reading this book, it's about 400 pages long, but just from reading the beginning of it and going through different parts of it, all of this was really planned over the last several years. And according to this book, if it's true that we are being lied to about everything, we're being lied to, I have the proof. I have the documentary proof from VAERS that we're being lied to about the effectiveness of the vaccines. Well I would really, I mean I'd really like you to read this book and maybe have, I know you interview people sometimes on your program, but what they aren't saying in some of these people that are speaking out about this is that those that have chosen to receive this shot, I won't call it a vaccine, as I did in my case because I had health issues that put me in kind of a catch 22. And that's what I see this as being in a kind of a way with a catch 22 situation, if you do or you do not, depending on your individual health circumstances. But in my circumstance, I was doing fine until September 27th, and I had two MDs tell me that they thought I should get this booster. And I went and got it, and I was in the emergency room that night, it was swollen lymph nodes and 180, yes, and 183 over 109 blood pressure, and within five days my breathing changed.

My breathing changed within five days, and I started having back pain, thoracic back pain. When I think it's done, I've been doing my own research to try to figure out what I could do myself. I'll tell you what, because one of the things I want to do is collect anecdotes, stories, personal stories. I've been asking people to send them to info.com.org, and I'll put a section up where it's just people's stories. This is not proof of anything, this is their story.

That's all I'll do, and then people can, if you want, I can put your name or not name or contact info or not contact info. I won't let anything out. I'm not telling people either way what to do, I'm just saying what happened to me, and I don't think I would ever let them do this to me again because I have not been the same since September 27th, and I've been on a merry-go-round of doctors to try to figure out what's going on because I think it inflamed my pulmonary flora. They're finding out that taking the vaccine reactivates a lot of problems.

There's lots of accounts of this. I'm probably going to release some information the next 24 hours on stuff that I found on VAERS, and I'll even teach people in there how to go in and get the same information from the official site until they take it down. Great. Well, I wish people would read this book. It's really alarming.

I'm not even going to say all the names involved, but it's really high-level, and I can't believe we're being lied to like this. I already bought it. I bought it while you were talking. Okay? Oh, okay. All right. I'm going to check it out. I've got a lot to check out. I've got it.

Also, unreported truths is good too. All right, buddy. God bless. Thank you. All right. Yep, folks.

Oh, it is scary. Alberto from Georgia. Alberto, what do you want, buddy? What's up, ma'am? Yeah.

Good evening, Matt Slick. I want to know while Jesus was a man on Earth, whilst he'd been crucified and beaten and all that, we still didn't control the whole universe, planets, animals, the whole elements, and the whole invisible realm, you still didn't control everything still while being a man on the Earth? I can't answer, and the reason I can't answer is because we're almost out of time, and the topic areas that it will get into are multiple, because there are some serious issues talked about under what it might mean for the nature of him being under the law and having emptied himself.

We have to discuss these possibilities, what it might mean, and without knowing exactly what they mean, we can't answer the questions accurately, and we just can't say for sure, I should put it, but there's attributes that are necessary to being divine, and yet it says he'd emptied himself, so to what extent does he empty himself and yet retain his divine attributes? We have to discuss these things, and it's a complicated thing, so I don't have a good simple answer for you. Okay? Okay. All right. Well, you can research it more and then put it on here.

I can. That's right. That's it.

Yeah, a lot of other stuff. Okay, buddy, God bless. Hey, Chris from North Carolina, give me a call tomorrow, comment about Mary, Jesus, and sin.

I would love to hear your comments about that. Okay, tomorrow, we're out of time. May the Lord bless you. Hey, everybody, by his grace, we're back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. Bye-bye.
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