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The following program is recorded content created by Truth Network. If you want to take a look one of it is to see Because in Roman Catholicism, salvation is a long process that's guided by the Roman Catholic Church. And so, instead of justification by faith, it's a method of having grace infused into your soul through the sacraments. And as long as the grace level, like a gas tank, is full, you're good.

But if it goes down to empty, you're in trouble. And so you have to retain that grace level through participation in the sacraments. So that's where it goes. And that's a damnable heresy. That's official Roman Catholic theology, too.

And it's just anti-Christ. It's bad. Okay, well, thank you, Matt. Okay. All right, buddy. Thank you. All right.

Bye. All right, let's get to Jamal from North Carolina. Jamal, welcome. You're on the air, man.

So what do you got, buddy? Thank you, sir. Always a pleasure to talk to you. Well, thanks.

Oh, yeah. Part of a new Bible study group now. Always kind of enjoy Bible studies. You get a chance to converse with like-minded people and, you know, ask questions and have a good back and forth. And I wanted to invite people along and kind of run into this little small problem of what the difference would be between Bible study and apologetics.

And I just wanted you to kind of help me out with that. Well, yeah, they're similar, but there are differences. Apologetics, spoken of in 1 Peter 3.15, is the defense of the faith. Bible study doesn't necessarily entail a defense of the faith. So like tonight, I won't be doing a Bible study, I'll be doing apologetics with this heretic false teacher who denies the Trinity and the deity of Christ. And so, like last night, I taught a Bible study, and I taught from Galatians 4.16 to the end of the chapter. And so what I did was I went through and explained what Paul was teaching and why his relationship with the allegories of spiritual Jerusalem, physical Jerusalem, and things like that. And that's just a Bible study.

What is it actually saying? But apologetics deals with the defense and the establishment of the Christian faith. And that can mean inside the church as well as outside the church.

Okay? So, and that's a lot, and that's good. That's a good explanation. I'm trying to find out how I can put it into my own words if I was to invite somebody to a Bible study. Or, and one thing I did suggest, that we do have an apologetics class at our Bible study. And that was another thing I was having trouble with.

So I'm just trying to, maybe you can help me out with this. I put it into my own words, kind of like, you know, kind of break it down. Like, hey, we had a Bible study last week, but we're going to have apologetics this week. And the difference is we are going to do X.

Right. So a Bible study would just be going verse by verse and just exegeting what's in it. Apologetics is defending something and establishing the truth of something in a means of trying to further the gospel to unbelievers, things like that. So, for example, Mormons, you know, they teach that God came from another world, that he used to be a god, or he used to be a man in another world, and it became a god.

Well, okay, so an apologetic approach would be to refute that from scripture and show where the Bible says that God's always been God who's never a man. You know, Psalm 90 verse 2. And so stuff like that, or a more general thing is what is salvation? It's God saving us from his righteous judgment. Justification is a legal declaration of righteousness. So you could then work the truth and expose the errors of Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Islam, and you're defending the Christian faith and the truth of it as you're establishing an indefinite apologetic methodology.

So that's what's happening. Will you do that kind of thing? Sounds good. And what was that Bible verse, your first quote, it was Philippians 3.15, I believe? Oh, 1 Peter 3.15, always be ready to make a defense for the faith that lies within you. Again, with gentleness and reverence.

Okay, but first sanctified Christ is Lord in your heart. All right. Go ahead, sorry. I'm sorry, I was trying to write it down as you were talking.

That's all right. It's just 1 Peter 3.15 is the standard go-to verse about apologetics. The word defense there, it's because a verse says, but first sanctify Christ as Lord in your heart, always be ready to make a defense for the reason that the hope of the faith lies within you, yet with gentleness and reverence. The word defense is the Greek word apologia. Apologia, which we get apologetics.

The defense of the faith. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much for your ministry and thank you very much for hitting my call. Take care and God bless. God bless you, man. God bless you, Jamal. All right, folks.

Three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Herb or Herb. Herb. Herb. Herb.

From Kerry, North Carolina. Good evening. Yep. Good evening. I appreciate your ministry and I have... Thank you. This is not a gotcha question.

All right. I'm a believer, been a believer since 1956. I'm walking with the Lord every day and, but I have a curious question. And if you don't know an answer, that's fine.

If you have an answer, that would be good. But in Genesis chapter two and chapter three. Chapter two, Adam knew, had been told by God not to eat the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden. In chapter... And Eve was not there. Then in chapter three, Eve had been assembled from spare parts.

And she also then knew that she should not eat of the fruit of the tree in the center of the garden. How much time was it from the time she knew that, which, of course, Adam also knew previously before she was assembled. How much time do you think was between that, those two things? A second, minutes, hours?

Let's do... Oh, I think I see a second question. It doesn't tell us. It just doesn't say. Well, in thinking about it, it struck me that in all my Bible study, I've read the Bible through a number of times, studied it through in my 89 years. But I've never seen anything allude to that, that it was a month or it was a year or... Yeah, it doesn't tell us. Conceivably, it could have been instantly. Not infinitely.

That's logically not possible. No, I say instantly. Oh, instantly. That wouldn't be logically possible either, instantly, from when she was created to fall because a conversation had to occur, as is recorded. So there took some time, but what probably happened is Adam informed Eve about the commands of God, and that's biblical because he's the spiritual head, and that's how it's supposed to be. That's how God has revealed it. Satan went to Eve and usurped the position of authority that was Adam's and went to her.

She should have gone to Adam, and that's the proper method, but at any rate, Satan used the woman and then deceived her, and in verse 6 of Genesis 3, she ate. Now, we don't know what the time duration is between that, and it just doesn't tell us, so we can't say. That's all.

In seconds, months, years, we don't know. Interesting. I think it's interesting. I don't know what to draw from that, but it's a curiosity of mine.

It just doesn't tell us. I appreciate your ministry, and I pray the Lord will bless you on your debate tonight. Well, thank you. I've got some debates set up.

I have three more in the next few weeks or something like that, but yep. So, we'll see. Okay. Thanks. Thank you very much. There's a break. Thank you very much. All right, Herb. God bless. Hey, folks.

We have three open lines and a break right there. Why don't you give me a call? 877-207-2276. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Let's see.

We've got two open lines, 877-207-2276. People in the chat room are talking about stuff. So, how far away was Adam from Eve at the time? And Helen said he was distracted by those sandwiches on TV remote and stuff like that.

Adam wasn't right there, maybe. All right. Let's get to Ethan from Philadelphia. Ethan, welcome.

You are on the air. Hello. Hello.

I'm glad to be here. I do want to give just a quick... I do have two questions that are kind of related to each other. Sure.

Okay. I am not trying to fight, or just like the previous caller said, I'm not trying to have any gotcha questions, but I do have a question about John MacArthur. And I called about him last time, because I'm really trying to reconcile and just learn. That's all I'm trying to do, but some of his teachings I'm kind of perplexed by, because I remember he said something about, you can take them...

This is what he said. He said, you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved. And whenever I read Revelation, I'm like, okay, well, all right, John, let me try to follow you there, you know, like I'm... But the Bible seems to me, at least, to be very clear about, look, it says every kind of way, in every way possible, those who take the mark of the beast, if you don't take it, you're going to be killed, but if you do take it, you're going to do... You know what I mean? So I just need to know, I need to see another witness of Christ, that's you, your opinion, of like what, like how do I take this, and I'm genuinely not trying to attack John MacArthur, I'm just trying to figure out, from another believer, like what to think about that kind of stuff. Well, contact is always everything, I'm not defending him, having not heard that, so I don't know, but this is what the Bible says in Revelation 14, 9, and 10, that another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, if anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or his hand, he will also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength, et cetera, he'll be tormented with fire and brimstone. So, you know, I don't know, but it says here, if anyone worships the beast and his image and receives, the question then becomes, are all three necessary in order to be damned?

Now, I'm not saying, you know, just one will do, or one won't, or two out of three, and you're still okay, I'm not saying that, but these are the kinds of questions you have to ask of the text. I don't know what he said, I would like to know that, because if he did say, just, hey, you can take the mark and still be saved, then that would not be true, because the Bible speaks of the contrary, but I'd like to know what the context was. Now, I will say this, okay, you know, so he said it one time in, I think it was ten years before, no, thirty years before, and then he said it a second time when somebody brought up in the QA in His Grace to You Church, and he said, yes, he said, absolutely, you can take the mark of the beast and still be saved. I really encourage you to look it up, and it's, like, his answer, he, whenever John MacArthur's asked about it for a second time, he says, yes, you can take the mark of the beast and be saved. And that's why I'm just wrestling with that, and that kind of leads me to my second question. And again, I'm, for all the listeners out there, I just want to make abundantly clear, I am not attacking John MacArthur, I am simply just trying to truth-seek, and it's perhaps, I will caveat, I could be completely taking his words out of context, and I hope that I am, but it's just something that I wrestle with, because I do my best to sit there in the Word, and I am going to be the first one to admit I am a sinner, okay? I don't get things right all the time, and I might be mishearing things, but I do know, if you do your own research, and you look into John MacArthur, and this is not us trying to, me, encourage fighting within the body of Christ, because that's not what we're supposed to do, but I just wanted to, I'm just trying to truth-seek, that's all.

Like what? When I hear something like that, I get a little concerned, you know? Yeah, you should be concerned, and that concerns me, too. If you could send me the link, or find a video where it said, email it to info at karne.org, and say this is where it is, you know, three minutes in, or whatever it is, and I can check it out. I will send you multiple links, okay? And this video will have your email, because I'll just rewatch it, I'm actually driving, hands-free, I'm not driving illegally with my cell phone. But my second question, actually in fact I'm parked right now, my second question, if you don't mind, I'm sorry listeners, this is, I promise this will be my last one, now the last time I called, this is kind of another teaching that I'm really trying to get behind, you know? And again, I have to posit with, I am a sinner, and I don't know everything, and I'm genuinely doing my best to try and get with God's Word.

That's all I'm going to do. So I remember last time I spoke with you, I asked you about, you know, the book that John MacArthur wrote, and it's called Slave. And your response to me was, okay, well, you know, the Bible does call us slaves, we're born slaves. And I was like, okay, that makes perfect sense, because, you know, like, but then again, Jesus also says, I therefore no longer call you slaves, for a slave knows not what the Father does, but I call you a friend, yeah. And so now, I bring that back, my point back to how John MacArthur in his book, and again, I'm not attacking him, just questioning, in his book he says that, he emphasizes no, no, not bondservant, you are, in fact, a slave, and that salvation is akin to enslavement, eternally, eternal enslavement. Yeah, it all depends on what is meant and how it is meant. Right, okay.

And that's the thing. So there are, and that's what it is, I'm just trying to be fair, because even if it was a Mormon teaching something, I'd say, well, what's the context, what's he saying, and I always have to go and say that. Because in one sense we're slaves, in another sense we're not. We're not slaves to the law, we're not slaves to one another, but we are slaves to Christ in the sense that we are supposed to serve him.

That's one sense. And we're also his friends, in that we're not slaves, in that we have no rights. As I was teaching last night, on Galatians chapter 4, it talks about Ishmael and Hagar, and Sarah, and Isaac, and that one represents bondage and the law, and the other one represents faith and freedom. And so, well, one is a slave, well, in that sense, the slave, one who is a slave is not free. And someone who is a child or an heir is free from having certain requirements. So Paul uses that analogy of the Jews and the Christians in Galatia and stuff like that. So there's a sense in which this is true. And in 1 Corinthians 7, 23, do not become slaves of men. We're going to have to do that.

And there are slaves and free people, but we are slaves to Christ in that loose sense that we do his will, not our own. That's the idea. So what's he saying?

What's the context? I, yeah, I guess, I suppose, I just, I figured, you know, I always thought that, you know, I understood that bond service, you know, the slave, I thought I understood slave based off of how you described it. But I just, I just don't get, I just don't really understand. Well, did we get a break? Hold on, okay. We'll get back to that.

Because if you've got a verse, I'll look in the Bible and see if you can find a reference of slave and reference of Christians in that sense. So hold on. Okay. Folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live. Taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show, everyone. Let's get back on the air with Ethan. Ethan, are you ready? I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.

I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Welcome back on the air with Ethan. Ethan, are you there? Yeah.

Okay. Well, I found a couple of verses worth reading here. And they both use the same Greek word, doulois, or doulos, slave. Ephesians 6, 6, not by way of eye service or as men, pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. And 1 Peter 2, 16, act as free men who do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, use it as bond slaves of God so there is that sense in which we we are that but okay okay okay I guess I understand but I know this will be my final I guess my my only clarification I just I'd like to see what you're saying is I totally on board with what you're saying I get it like but I just didn't I guess that's why I'm gonna eventually write a letter to John MacArthur asking himself to just clarify because I mean why why fight over bondservant or slave because his the whole crux of his book is doulos doesn't mean bondservant it means slave and I'm like okay I get it but like why are we fighting because like what why is it why do we have to take controversy the the the ascent the essence of his book is that there's been a hundred years cover-up of the true meaning of doulos as you mentioned and I'm thinking to myself okay well doulos or not doulos bondservant or slave it doesn't matter we're still you know it just I just don't understand what to do operatively with choosing slave versus bond slave oh you know the difference is what a slave is versus a bond slave no I don't a slave was someone who was in a master's home and they weren't beat and that's not how it worked back then it wasn't slavery like it was here in America in the 1800s but they were often trusted with their children they had to have days off they had to have certain rights any rate so there was a time usually when they could be set free maybe they entered the slavery voluntarily in order to pay a bill or they were born into it and they could earn their freedom in the Roman culture and and that's all the way around the Mediterranean area at the time of Christ okay so when a slave was freed but he wanted to stay with his master he loved the people loved his family loved him would stay that he would become a bond slave and what he would do is it was a ceremony he would take his I think was right earlobe and take it to a doorpost a wooden door post they punch a hole in the earlobe and it meant that he had chosen to be a bond slave he's bonded binding himself on purpose to stay with that family that's a bond slave different than it's just a regular slave so the NASB uses in 1st Peter 2 16 uses as bond slave thank you so much I will not take any further if they haven't come at the time always always a pleasure speaking with you man as I said all the time when I call you yeah your website is just it has helped me through years you know my walk with Jesus thank you so much you're welcome so much all right well have a blessed day okay you too all right so you know what I was saying that I did a search for bond slave and found Colossians 4 12 Epiphras who is one of your number a bond slave of Jesus Christ and you his greetings that's interesting and I'm gonna do another little search here bond slave and just see what else might come up because it's listed and let's see so acts even though my bond slaves both men and women I'll pour yeah even on my bond slaves both men and women I'll pour in those days my spirit and they shall prophesy those are on the believers and that's acts 2 18 interesting okay anyway so yeah yeah doing studies like that is really interesting all right let's get to see the next longest waiting person is Carl from Orlando Florida Carl welcome you're on the air man where you got buddy hey Matt what's going on hey doing radio doing radio what's up my co-workers last week we were just you know discussing Bibles and we mainly talking about the image of Jesus like physical he looks and majority of my co-workers believe Jesus is a black man and they say they show me some verses that that tries to imply but I believe they pick out a context when it has when it had the word dark or the word black you don't think yeah I've heard that before and it just doesn't work I don't you've heard me on the radio where I you know I disparage the idea of the blonde hair blue-eyed Caucasian surfer Jesus dressed in a woman's nightgown and but really what was Jesus what was he what was he now as we talk about skin color there are three main races that are said to be races caucasoid nigroid and mongoloid so Caucasians Negroes as they say in that sense and Asians the oriental you the Asian look so those are called cognizant so in the Bible no those are just classifications that people have today in the Bible okay there's only one race and it's the human race and that's how we should look at it I don't look at that black people as black of black race or Asian as an Asian race whatever I don't I don't know no no they're just people my my my stance was on that Jesus is not white or black none of us know what he is or and or well um and there's was a jewel yeah he's Jewish and he probably he lived he probably was either whitish skinned or looked Arab ish that's what it would be right and he lived in the Middle East yep yeah so they said that they said that the Middle East is a term but looking at continent or looking at math the Middle East is towards Africa you know well you could understand though that Abraham was called out of the Ur of the Chaldees not Africa and he moved with his people his family they went eventually to Egypt and in Egypt that they grew but they weren't Egyptians they were descendants of the people of Abraham and they went back to the land of Canaan or Israel and so they were enslaved there and then they went back and the Jews today a lot of them know their genealogy another history and their lineage and there could be black Jews there can be white Jews and that's you know strict sense like that but that's it the Jews today in Israel that's what they look like that's what they were back then you know and I don't have any problem that Jesus is black or Asian I don't care I just care what you know he died in the cross but if we're gonna be historically accurate there's the evidence is not supporting the idea that he was he was black yes that's why I implied somebody he was in black or white are they America or European make him look same like a white man oh yeah he was a long term with a new that right the blonde hair blue-eyed Caucasian surfer Jesus I call him yeah yeah yeah he wasn't he wasn't none of that but except to us like the wonderful thing about it when you read when you read the Bible and the description we all can like um we all can have like an image of what we think it looks like but you know none of us really know exactly what it looks like but it seems like it seems like they're so assertive approving he was a black man because a couple verses in the Bible describe use the word dog or black well I'm gonna show you to show me those verses I could take a look at them but you said something about having an image of Christ in your mind I don't have one I do not have one I don't go with the Caucasian one Asian one a black one I don't go with anything I just talked to talk to my lord there's no image yeah I don't know I don't have an image of him either because I don't know what he was you know it's just so so cooked and so passionate that he was a black man I don't know why why do they think of that because they think I think I don't know why they think of that and it's not a question name but it's not ask them if they can give you the scripture so we can take a look call me up and say here's the verses they use we'll take a look okay okay next I'll find out the verses they use and I'll call you another time and we'll sounds good all right man all right buddy thank you okay god bless all right let's get to Cheryl from Greensboro North Carolina Cheryl welcome you're on the air hello hi Sherry okay oh there's a doc okay got it all right okay earlier the gentleman was talking about he had been following the Lord for over 50 years mm-hmm and he made the comment about Adam and Eve mm-hmm was he saying or were you saying that we don't know the fruit was but we do have a break so hold on okay and get that question there and then we'll tackle to get back to the break all right all right we'll be right back folks after these messages please stay tuned and we'll get back to Sherry all right it's max like live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's Matt slick welcome back to the last segment let's get to Sherry back there are you are you still there yes all right so what was your question well he was the Bible says he was with her but we don't know yeah proximity yeah they gave yes she gave the fruit yeah she gave the fruit to Adam who was with her well does it was she two feet away the whole time while the snake is talking to her or was he ten feet away or another part of the garden behind you know who knows and the Bible doesn't say why didn't he well because you know I'm like right now my wife is in the house here well so I'm with my wife but you know she's a different room and I could say yeah I'm with her yeah someone called him where's your wife well she's here I'm you know with her right so but that's it just was it mean and then we have to ask that question and we go I don't know exactly because some women have heard will say it was Adam's fault he was right there and he let it happen it doesn't say that didn't say he was right there next to her was watching and let it happen and it doesn't say that well he was with her now okay but what does that mean yep it does so and so my wife is with me now in the house in a different part of the house and I couldn't even I'd yell to the house the door she maybe might be able to hear me okay so that's that's the question we have to ask and we don't have that direct answer so we can't draw too many conclusions out of that that's all I'm saying yeah yeah okay okay all right thank you all right Sherry God bless all right let's get to Charlie from North Carolina hey what's up Chuck you're on the air Charlie hello hello hello I attend a Bible teaching church and appreciate your ministry I've got a daughter who lives a distance from me and was not really involved in her growing up she's in her 30s attended Pentecostal and then has moved to a Torah Church and I just I mean I questioned her and we've talked about being a believer in Christ and accepting him and and what all is involved with being a Christian and and she's she says the right words but I just don't have a comfortable feeling about where she's at all right what you gotta do what you what you have to do is ask very specific questions and to ask what is justification you have to ask that and and it is the legal declaration of righteousness where we and then ask are we justified by faith alone in Christ alone that's the critical issue or we're saved from our sins by our faith in Christ alone without any works contributing to that that's what you got to ask her if she says well you have to keep this you have to do this in order to be saved then it's a cult okay well yeah she's I mean they follow all of the Judaic laws I mean she observes Sabbath and they just finished all of the the Holy period well what two weeks ago you know and you know does that in fact to the point where she won't let her children do anything on Saturday is she married or she she follows it no she's not okay yeah I could have her call the show we could talk if you can send me information I can check out this if they have a website can check them out to see if they're legit what they're good if she was in a Pentecostal Church which is often emotionally manipulative people like to submit themselves to authority above them maybe she's doing the same thing with the Torah Church and that she wants an authority over them but the Old Testament covenant was abrogated at the death of Christ Hebrews 8 13 Hebrews 9 15 to 16 so we are not obligated to follow that Old Testament law we're free to follow certain aspects but if she's following it in order to keep herself right with God then that's that's a false teaching false doctrine okay yeah no I understand that and I've kind of brought that up that Christ came and and justified the laws and I mean she studied the Bible pretty well she keeps car she's got got all kinds of biblical references that I get back from her you know yeah well have her call the show never call up okay and we'll talk okay okay all right thank you sir I appreciate that I will that's a good question I will ask her all right it sounds good okay God bless you sir you too God bless hey folks you have four open lines if want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six give me a call we got let's get to I guess that's Suki from Utah that your name yes okay Matt hello sorry I just had a question about do rapists or child molesters and they repent and go to heaven as well yes mm-hmm all right but cuz my buddy asked me a question he was like all right what about a guy like Ted Bundy you know he just goes around does all this stuff then last minute he just repents on a deathbed or something well you know people often misrepresent what salvation is and is it possible that someone can repent on her deathbed and become Christians absolutely and then go to heaven yes it's possible do we have false conversions at times like that well yes we can't say that one instance represents all instances we have to look at each person's situation individually and make judgments if we could in that situation so if someone like Ted Bundy was you know an evil man and he just mouthed these words at the end before he dies you know okay well whatever now Jeffrey Dahmer you know he ate people he was a serial killer and he ate people and what I had heard him from more than one place was that he actually repented of it and actually did trust in Christ now I don't know if he did or did not for real I'm not there to be able to say but I'd heard that were some pastors who have gotten a hold of him and we're talking and they said yeah he's repented he's confessing Christ he was ended up murdered in jail I believe it was well would he go to heaven yeah if he truly repented and truly believes in Christ that's it so can't you know David was a let's see an adulterer and a murderer and he's in heaven in the Bible okay and Paul the Apostle was a murderer he killed the people of God and he's in heaven so it's not that God says he just turns a blind eye to our great sin it's just that the blood of God in Christ is greater than all of our sin and can be cleansed but it must mean trust and faith in Christ turning to him confessing our sins because no matter what we've done we can do that and our people listen to this I don't care how bad of a sinner you think you are maybe you think that you can't trust in Christ or that he won't forgive you well then you don't know the Christ of Scripture because the Christ of Scripture is God in flesh the creator of the universe and he will forgive all who come to him and trust in that infinitely valuable sacrifice of his shed blood on the cross I don't care what you've done and there's some things I've done folks like we'll never say with a radio but I'm glad that God's forgiveness is there and I trust in him and so anybody and everybody can be saved unless of course you can bless me the Holy Spirit but so I don't care who you are you can find salvation in Jesus Christ all right anyway okay Suki you're there do we lose him maybe we lost him let's see maybe well let's go ahead and go on then all right let's get to Gabriel from Des Moines Iowa Gabriel welcome here on the air oh maybe we have a phone problem again let's see sometimes we had phone problems today system problems I don't know if they can hear me or not let's see I don't hear anything yeah yeah it looks like it don't if you guys can hear me I can't let me see now let's see if you guys can hear me over the air I don't know but I know you can hear me and YouTube and stuff like that we have a few minutes left one of the things I could do is reboot my Comrix but that would mean we'd be off the air for a minute and we're almost out of time anyway so we're very very close so people do say they can hear me but I can't hear them so Gabriel one about the spiritual gifts I don't know what he wanted to ask what I'm gonna do it I'll just talk about it until at the end of the show and see if he can get up we lost him let's see we got anybody else hello are you there don't have the information yeah we lost we have a we had phone problems today so everyone okay yeah I'm selling the air good okay so anyway a spiritual gifts there are two categories of spiritual gifts there's the charismatic gifts and there are the non charismatic gifts and they're listed in Romans 12 Romans first Corinthians 12 and 14 and the non charismatic gifts are things like administrations and helps and things like that and the charismatic gifts are things like speaking in tongues and prophecy and interpretation of tongues and things like that and those are the charismatic because they are operated by the power of the Holy Spirit within us so they are by his power but administrations and helps are by our own power now God can gift us to have certain things and then we can do these things like Charlie's a friend of mine he has a good gift of help and I have another friend named Dave he has a good gift of administration and of course my wife says I have a good gift of being obnoxious so I gets in the book of Second Chronicles so that's that and also a lot of people don't know this but it says the free gift at Romans 6 23 are the wages of sin is death but the free gift of God's eternal life in Christ Jesus the word gift there in Greek is charisma charisma top which week is a charismatic thing and that makes perfect sense because the gift of salvation is something that is worked by that power of the Holy Spirit in us to regenerate us to bring us back to where we need to be to bring us to him and with him it's a charismatic thing and so we we do have that and in 1st Corinthians 14 I recommend people read that it says to pursue pneumatic us which is spirituals spiritual giftings not charismatic gifts but the spirituals and then it talks about the charismatic gifts in 1st Corinthians 14 and they're listed there and personally I believe all the charismatic gifts are still for today I do I believe all of them because of 1st Corinthians 1 7 where it says that the church not lack any charisma while we're waiting for the return of Christ so that's my opinion and no the charismatic gifts don't threaten the cannon that's another issue that's brought up and you eat 1st Corinthians 14 and you can find that out there hey we're out of time and I got a debate tonight in let's see our two hours I just go to karm.org forward slash calendar and you'll see the link there for October 1st tonight I think it's in one hour tonight they gotta be in a debate all right and I'll put the link and information upon Karm Facebook well there you go have a great weekend everybody may the Lord bless you seriously I don't be blessed it's great and by his grace we'll talk to you on Monday see you then God bless you another program powered by the truth Network