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If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Okay, here's my question. Matt, how can a person who...

I know her whole family. How can a person who was legitimately a born-again Christian go that far back? How do they do that? Well, because they never were. Let me answer.

Let me get in there, okay? He asked a question. So, how can they fall?

How can they do that and go that far away? It's because the Bible says in 1 John 2.19, they went out from us because they never were of us. If they had been of us, they would have remained.

That's it. She was never a Christian to begin with. She's obviously going after what she desires and not what the truth of God's word is. She's her own little goddess and she's not submitting to the truth. And neither of those people, they go to that church and they all believe the same thing.

Okay, one more important question. Okay, Bible talks about divorce in New Testament. I'm not going in Old Testament. And it has to be because of adultery, right? Or abandonment is also grounds for divorce. Abandonment on whose part?

The man's or the woman's or it don't matter? It doesn't matter if this spouse abandons a spouse, you know, if a wife abandons the husband or the husband abandons the wife. The other one is, you know, free to be separated and remarried. Okay, well you just answered it because I heard a pastor say today that the only way divorce is legal even in the New Testament is if the woman commits adultery and she leads the man, then he can remarry. But if he leads her and she leads him, I mean if he leads her, she can no longer be married again. She can date and stay separated. But the Bible wants them to reconcile. Is that true? No. So let me read scripture.

I'm going to read the first, starting at 1 Corinthians 7, verse 12. So give some context, okay? Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave. The brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. So notice it says the brother or the sister is not under obligation.

That means if either one of the opposite sex leaves, they abandon, then you're not under bondage in such cases. But it calls us to peace. All right?

All right, one more very quick. What was Mary Magdalene's role, not Mary Magdalene's role? Now she did watch this speech.

I don't understand the question. What was Mary Magdalene's what? Role, role in the Bible. Was she a harlot or not? Yeah, looks like it, yeah. She had demons and was cleansed, yeah.

And then she became a follower of Christ. Okay, okay. Matt, thank you so much. It was good to hear from you again.

Nice to hear from you, brother. All right. Always enjoy your calls. All right. Hey folks, we have wide open lines. Nobody waiting.

If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 8772072276. Just to let you know, this issue of marriage and divorce, yes, divorce is permitted in Scripture, but adultery and abandonment are the grounds. Now there's debate about physical abuse.

I think that falls under the abandonment issue. Now when we have a marriage vow, the couple make a vow to each other and before people that they will keep themselves to each other. That means they will not have relations, physical relations with anybody else, just the one they're married to. So when someone commits adultery, they've broken that covenant.

They have broken it. And so as Jesus says, that you can get divorced under that circumstance. And Paul here is teaching that when they abandon, because that's also breaking the covenant, the marriage covenant. When one spouse leaves the other and abandons that person, then that is a breaking of the covenant. And this is what I understand is the reason that these things then can become a permission for divorce.

Not that it's necessary, but that it's a possibility. We have five open lines, wide open. Give me a call. 877-207-2276. Give me a call. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. This is unusual.

We have no callers waiting. And usually when that happens, I pick a topic and teach on it a little bit. And I was thinking about doing the issue of marriage just a little bit, because that was something that came up on the previous caller.

So I'm going to do that. But if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. And let's see, we're having a discussion in the chat room during the break about aliens, which is a movie which I've seen 70 times. There's a story behind why I've seen it so many times. But I love sci-fi, so we're talking.

And some of the people in the room are saying, no, I have never seen it. I'm like, well, go ahead, because you won't be able to sleep for a few days afterwards. Anyway, a lot of fun.

But we've got callers coming in, so that's good. And if you are interested at all in the issue of marriage and learning a theological perspective of it, you can go to CARM and just type in the search engine, the theology of marriage. And it's something I've developed over the years. And when I do counseling, that's what I teach on. When I do marriage counseling, that is. When I do a ceremony, I give the couple a talk on what the theology of marriage is and things like that.

And I need to convert it to a course. It'll be interesting. You wouldn't do anything 70 times? Hey, look, John Dawson, I don't want to do anything 70. How about eating or breathing, John? Oh, man, that was easy.

Shooting fish in a barrel. There we go. All right. Okay, let's get to Cameron from Durham, North Carolina. Cameron, welcome. You're on the air. Hey. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Thanks for the call. What do you got, buddy? My question is, what are the principles of canonicity for the New Testament? And with those, who decided what those would be? Well, canonicity was determined by the early church. They recognized the Word of God. They didn't grant authority to the Word of God. They recognized the authority of the Word of God.

That's what, this is how it worked. And generally, the issues of it, the characteristics. They want to know if it was divinely inspired. Is it something that the church would recognize? Is it authoritative? Does it have the standard of truth written in it? Does it exclude other issues or other writings? Is it instructive, aimed at the church? Is it revelatory?

Is it self-authenticating? Things like that as covenantal. And the Christian church, knowing these things, would then come together.

And so, this is important. The canon does not become the canon by the church declaring it to be. The church does not declare the writings of the Bible to be inspired. That would then mean that the authority of the church is over the Scriptures. No, the church recognizes the authority of the Word of God. And so, it just, Jesus says, this is what we recognize. It's authoritative by its nature. And that's how it went.

And so, the varying churches as a whole got together and they authenticated what was the Word of God. Okay? Okay, thank you. You're welcome. All right. Okay, let's get to, we have three open lines if you want to give me a call.

877-207-2276, Stephanie from Richmond, Virginia. Welcome, you're on the air. Hi, how are you today? I'm fine. I've got a bit of a drama going on in my life. And there's some things that have, I was listening to your show earlier and I just got thinking about some things that have been going on in my own personal life. And I'm married. And I've been married four years now. And last year my husband went into treatment, he's sex military.

Or at least I thought he went into treatment. And I'm finding out all kinds of things that weren't true. And he disappeared for six months. He abandoned me, our marriage, finally everything.

And then I get a phone call in the middle of the night. And, you know, come get me, come get me. And I did. And I really tried.

I saw him through drug withdrawals. And I found it in my heart to forget. But I forgave him. And I needed to see that he was truly trying to get better before I committed to moving further as far as our marriage. I said, right now you're going to have to accept I'm trying to be your friend. And I kept finding reasons that I just felt like it was fun.

It's like, Stephanie, don't do this. And, well, lo and behold, he's just up again and disappeared. And I got served with divorce papers.

And he wanted to turn it on me. But, like I said, my husband disappeared for six months. And I developed a friendship with someone. Not walked out on my marriage or anything like that. And I have feelings for this person, a lot of feelings.

And they've been very good to me. And he wanted to lay the blame, okay. And I recently found out that my husband married another woman in 2019. And it was a big blow. He's committed big in me.

So I really don't have any knowledge of what the Bible holds. I mean, what is my place? What is it I was supposed to do? Am I wrong for being angry? No, you're not wrong for being angry. Anger is not a sin.

Not automatically. So he was in the military. I've stayed here for a lot of things. I can't forgive him for this. I just can't.

Okay, so let me see if I understand. So while he's married to you, he married another woman? Yeah. Yeah, and had a baby. And had another baby. So he broke his vows so he committed adultery, all right. So did he marry her after he married you or before? Yes, yes, after.

When I thought he was in treatment, he was in the cabin. I was getting married. Okay. So are you going to church?

Yes, I do. Okay. And honestly, it's so mortifying. And I really don't want people to know that. Because everybody told me, somebody don't take me back. Somebody don't help me. I'm having trouble understanding you.

Everybody says what? Just somebody needed, they knew it was bad for me. And he was physically abusive and cheated. I mean, there was a lot of people were fearing for my own safety. And I felt like a fool.

I think that's the hardest part for me to get over, is I felt everyone tried warning me. And I'm one of these people who want to be the best in everybody. Okay. Let's stick on the issue here of the, so, okay. So he did that. So, I mean, he lied. And he deceived, he committed that adultery. So that is grounds for divorce.

Not that you're obligated to, but you're able to. Right. Alright. My thing is, am I the bad person because I have feelings for somebody else?

Even though he did all these things. Okay. I understand why you would have feelings for someone else. Now let me ask you a question. Are you married right now?

Yes, because I don't know where he's at. Okay. So you're married right now.

Alright. So, what you need to do is contact the elders of your church. And you need to lay all this out before the church. You need to keep a record of who you've talked to, the dates best that you can of what happened and when it happened and the stuff.

When you got married, when you found out he had married someone else while he was still married to you. You need to document as much as you can. You need to present it to the elders. And you need to keep a record.

I'll tell you why. Keep a record of what it is that you talked to the elders about and when you talked to them and basically who's present. And it becomes a legal document where you keep a record of what's going on. And this is for later on as well. As you seek the counsel of the wise elders in your church who will then hopefully recommend a biblical procedure to go through.

So far from what you're telling me, it looks like divorce is definitely an option because he's broken his covenant with you and been deceptive. Now we've got a break, so hold on because there's a little bit more we can talk about, okay? All right. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. All right, welcome back to the show. We have two open lines if you want to give me a call. 877-207-2276. Okay, Stephanie, are you still there?

Yes, I'm here. Okay. So I was talking about you keeping records. And the reason is because it can become a legal document. But should you ever decide to be married again and you go through the church, this document will become very valuable and very helpful because any church worth its salt will ask you specific questions about, well, when did you get married? Why did you divorce?

What was the reasons for this? Did you go through these procedures to make sure things were right? And this is why you need to do that because it protects you. If, and then there's this issue, you talk with the elders, if your husband wants to repent, then you have to talk to them about that issue and what you can do. You are not obligated to divorce him, but you're free to if he has committed this adultery and he's continuing in that.

Now, as far as the other man goes, you have no business right now being involved with another man because you're married. And so your eyes need to be for your husband. And, and I understand, I trust me, I understand this is tough, but yeah. I mean, it's like when you got somebody that's there for you, that's your true friend and supportive, treats you with respect and it's time.

And I'm like, they're nothing alike. And I'm like, and I feel like a terrible person because I know I have feelings for somebody else. But the thing is, I walked away from this person to work on my marriage and then I find out it was all a lie to begin with. Now, this needs to be written down in that journal that you walked, that you left that situation. And now let me ask you, this is very important and you don't have to tell me over the, over the air. In fact, I'm going to ask this in such a way you don't have to say anything.

But this other gentleman that you're having feelings with, they're sure as heck better not have been anything physical between you two. No, no. Good. Okay.

Not that we both. Okay. Now, is he a Christian?

Just different. Is he a Christian? No. He doesn't go to church. Okay.

Sorry. Here's a question. Here's a question. Is he a Christian?

Yes. He's a Christian. Okay.

If he's a Christian, then you need to talk to him and maybe even talk to the elders of his church because he's not going to church and he says he's a Christian, that's a serious warning flag. Well, he's a single father with two small boys and worked a very weird catch-water. Okay. You know. I sort of forgive him for that. No, no.

It's okay. If that's the situation, I understand, and you talk to your elders about it and you need to talk to him about your situation and say, we can't get any further involved until all of this is resolved. That's how it has to be, okay?

You can still be friends, but nothing is to occur between you until you are officially divorced if that's what occurs. Does that make sense? Right. Yes. Okay. My thing is this, I lost my youngest daughter six years ago. I'm sorry. I didn't understand you. Repeat that.

I didn't understand you. I'm sorry. My youngest daughter passed away six years ago from a terminal diagnosis. Wait, wait, wait. I have a slight hearing loss, so sometimes it's tough. Your daughter passed away six years ago from what? What was it?

A terminal diagnosis. She was my world for 14 years. What got me through all that was my faith, and it's been very important in my life. I think that's what scares me, is I don't want to do anything to jeopardize her, don't see her again. It does.

It just petrifies me. The thought, I miss her every day. If you're breaking up, it's hard to understand you all of a sudden. I said, I miss her every day, but it's the same time. She's never truly gone, because it's just like, okay, I'll see her again. I think that's what scares me the most, is doing something that I know I'll never see her again. Okay, we talked about the divorce thing, and now you're talking about you're scared you're not going to see. But I'm saying that's what I'm saying.

I don't want to screw up because of something my husband did. I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding what the issue is. Sorry. Maybe you could repeat that. The fact that I know I have experienced someone else, and he's done what he's done, how do I protect my soul, and know that I've done the right thing through what I've done?

This is what you do. Look, you can't lose your salvation, okay? Christ is faithful when you're not, but this is why you need to talk to the elders and just let them know what's going on and keep a record of what's going on. If you're not perfect in all of this, you're not going to be punished by God and go to hell and can't see your daughter in the afterlife and things like that.

That's not how it works, okay? You need to know that. I've never been through anything like this before. I know, and it's tough, and I feel for you. I've lost a son, and I can understand what you're going through, and I'm going to see him again, and you're going to see your daughter again, all right? It's going to happen, but in the meantime, you try and do the best you can here before God. Get involved with the elders of your church.

Talk to them. Keep that record. Do what you've got to do, and go through things slowly.

Talk to the guy that you know now, say everything has to be on hold, and you can still be friends, but that's as far as it can go until the situation is resolved, and then you'll move from there, okay? Thank you so much. You're welcome. You have a blessed day. You too.

I'm sorry you're going through this, Stephanie. Thank you. I appreciate that.

You know what? We have a prayer ministry here. I keep forgetting to mention it, but if you are interested, and anybody's interested, you can just email us at prayer at karm.org, and people will pray for you, okay? Thank you very much. I appreciate that. You're welcome. All right.

Well, God bless. Thank you. Bye. Okay. All right. Let's get over to Steve from Charlotte, North Carolina. Steve, welcome.

You're on the air. Thank you. You were talking about the authority of the books in the New Testament, and I endorse that, but I always object when people say that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. There's nothing in Scripture that explicitly states that.

You know, I saw your... We have a screen, and I can see who's where waiting in the queue, and it says Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute. So during the break, I went and researched it, and you're correct. That's absolutely correct. That's right. So you spoke.

Well, thank you. Yeah. Well, it's a general misconception.

It is. I think it started with one of the popes. Pope Gregory declared that she was, but he used her as a symbol of salvation.

That was his big thing. But the Catholic Church has corrected this error, and they made her a saint, and so I guess we just all have to catch up. That's right. Well, yeah. In closing, let me say that you gave some great advice to the poor woman whose husband was cheating on her. She got my wife in bed with her best friend's husband, and boy, I tell you, that was shocking, and she cut see of my son, and I owe a great debt to our priest.

I was Episcopal, from Methodist to Episcopal, and our priest was a great source of comfort and advice. Okay. Well, there you go. All right. I appreciate that. Okay. And thanks for calling in for that correction.

Thanks for being there. Hey, I appreciate that. Yeah. All right. Keep listening. Okay. God bless. All right.

Three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Nelson from Bakersfield. Welcome. You're on the air, buddy. Hey, Matt. Hey. God bless.

God bless. On Luke 16, verse 19, can you pull it up and read everything into the end of the chapter? Well, it would take a long time, but it's the account of Lazarus and the rich man. Yes, I'm quite familiar with it. Yeah.

The account right there where the rich man is conscious of his apartment and what he's seeing when he's speaking to Abraham. My question regarding that, as I see that scripture, my question is, a person that has been witnessed the gospel and dies without receiving Christ, would they be reminded what that question is? I don't know. In torment? I don't know.

That was my thought, but I would think they probably would. It might be. What we can conclude from this, it's not a parable, because it has a proper name in it, and it's discussing conscious torment after death. So the annihilationists who hold the soul sleep idea and everybody else are wrong. But nevertheless, so we know a question was asked. We don't know if that means that all people can ask questions, and that they will all be answered. We don't know that. We only know that in this situation, what Jesus said was how it was. But we could conclude that it's possible that they might cry out for relief and be told why they don't get any.

That's certainly possible. All right? We got a break.

We got a hold, or we got it? Okay. Yeah. I'll hold. Okay. All right.

Thanks. We have two open lines, 877-207-2276. Get a call. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back.

Welcome back. Yeah, I'm here. All right. So, you said you had one more thing you wanted to talk about with that issue?

Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, it's because the reason why I'm bringing this topic up is because I think I called a while back, referring about that I had a dream that a friend of mine was in the past way, and I reached out to him about to surrender to Christ for the salvation of his soul, and a couple of days later he got murdered. And so, and he ended up passing away. And so my question was referring about that, like, I don't know if he received the Lord before he passed or what, but if he didn't, I wonder if that is going through his mind right now. Who knows? That message he saw.

You know, we don't know what they will be thinking. So this may not be the best analogy, but I had a kidney stone a few years ago. I've only had one. I never, ever want to experience that amount of pain again, ever. And while I was going through it, I wasn't thinking anything. It was just agony.

And so there wasn't questioning, except during the breaks I was praying to God, please let it pass, which it eventually did. So when you're in that much pain, I don't know if they're reasoning and thinking and asking questions. So I don't know. But we have the account in Luke 16, 19 through 32, or 31, and it's certainly possible.

We don't know the level of the pain they'll be in or the extent of the punishment. So we just don't know. Okay. It was just a thought that I had, but okay, Matt, well, thank you very much. Thank you for your insight. I'm glad you preached the gospel to him before he passed away. So praise God, you know, praise God. Amen. All right. Okay. God bless you. God bless. All right.

Let's get to Alberto from Georgia. Welcome. You're on the air.

Yeah. Good evening, Matt. My question is, why the Pentecostal preachers who claim to be sound doctrine, like the family of God, the church of God, all the other branches of Pentecostal churches, and they defend these heretic preachers on TVN, like Benny Hinn, and all these guys, they say they're men of God, because when the news media wants to investigate them about all the lavish lifestyles they have, my pastor one time, when I was a part of Pentecostal church, he said, oh, they're attacking the men of God, but if he knew better than he was a heretic, why would these Pentecostal, my question is, why would these Pentecostal preachers who claim to be in sound doctrine, defend heretics, because they don't study the word of God, they don't study it, and then judge truth by the word of God. They judge it by their feelings and sensibilities, and they're taken in by false teachers, and anyone who would support Benny Hinn, for example, is not qualified to be a pastor. Like, also, like a church member guy, he used to be, he's speaking on tongues all the time, preaching in my church, but my roommate, he used to buy books from Benny Hinn and all that. I knew Benny Hinn was a heretic, but they didn't know, I don't know why, yet they claim to be more spiritual than me, and they claim to be more spiritual than me, not spiritual. There are a lot of false teachers out there, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen, and because the Christian church is not very astute in its ability to understand and study the word of God, then they believe in and they follow these teachers. So all I can say is that the Christians need to not just go to church and be fed, but need to study their word periodically on their own. And they need to learn, because they're responsible. That's what has to happen. I've got another question.

Sure. Like the Catholic Church, Pope Francis, like all these Catholics who claim to be Roman Catholics, they claim to be children of God, and by the power of 80% of the empire in the world, drinking, smoking, partying, doing all kinds of secular things, by the power of 80% of them don't even share the gospel. If I was Pope Francis, I'd be outraged, why are they not evangelizing the Roman Catholic Church? Even though, I know you say it's a cult, and I agree with you, but at least why don't they evangelize to Jesus, at least if they claim to be truly the real church, the control school? They don't evangelize. What they do is indoctrinate. They don't evangelize people, they indoctrinate them to join the church, because their idea of evangelism is to get people to join the true church, go to the mass, take the sacraments, get grace infused into their souls, by which they can become more righteous. So there's no evangelism in coming just to Christ and being forgiven of your sins. That doesn't exist in Catholic theology. It's a false religious system that teaches there's salvation in Christ through the church. The church is the one that has the authority to administer the grace of God and things like that. So that's why they don't. It's a gigantic false religion. I understand that, I agree with you 100%, but why people are so blinded, though.

I mean, we're in America. Because they don't study the Word. There's so many Christian preachers on TV, even though they don't study the Word, they turn on the channel on TV, they've got good preachers on TV, and can they be exposed to other preachers? Well, here's the thing, a lot of people just don't know stuff, and I've taught Bible studies, and I remember an event when I would ask people, I've been teaching for a while, people who were supposed to be Christians for a long time, and ask them a basic question, and they don't have answers.

And I don't know why that's the case, maybe they're afraid to speak up, but Christians generally don't know their Bibles, don't know what the truth is, and this is why they go to church, to learn. Well, that's okay, that's what they're supposed to do, the pastor's supposed to teach them. But I'm finding that a lot of pastors don't teach stuff very deeply, and they don't get into heavy stuff, maybe they don't want to offend people, or have people lose interest. If I were ever a pastor again of a church, I'll tell you, I'd be teaching deep stuff, not just seminary level stuff all the time, but I'd be teaching the stuff that would equip them, and inform them, and alter their thinking, hopefully more in line with the Word of God. We need that, pastors need to do that in the church, we need to thin the church out by preaching the truth of God's Word, and that needs to happen, not to gain people in the church. That's an idol, people do, you know, you're a success if you have people in the church. The problem is, for example, me, if I know the truth, and I try to show it in the church, and the pastor, or the congregation, will oppose me, because I stand up against the pastor, not to show him whether we're teaching his fault, but the congregation defends their minister, and they'll oppose me because I defend the truth, but according to them, they think they're in the truth, and they'll back up the preacher because he's the minister, so he's the man of God, so they'll defend him, and so they'll oppose me, who do?

It depends on what the situation is, but you've got to understand something, people follow leaders, they follow people, they will become loyal to individuals, to people, and you might have somebody you like to listen to, or like to read, that's fine, as long as that person is understood to be a sinner saved by grace, and that the ultimate authority is the Word of God, then it's okay, but we've got to be careful, people like to follow one individual and just believe whatever he says, they'll do that with pastors, it doesn't matter, the pastor says it, it's just true, he's the man of God, and they don't check what he says, that's why if I were a pastor, again, and people came up to me periodically and said, look, I was listening to what you said, I'm checking with the Word of God, I'm not sure if I agree with you on some things, I'd be like, I'm delighted, let's go have lunch and talk about it, because that would be very good in that they are studying the Word of God, which is what they need to do, and I'd love that, that needs to be encouraged, okay? All right, buddy? Thank you, thank you, God bless you, keep it a great grip, sir. You too, Alberto, God bless, buddy. All right, let's get to, let's see, Amy from South Carolina, Amy, welcome, you are on the air.

Hi, thank you so much for taking my call. My question is in regards to people who say that they can communicate with animals. I was curious if that is similar to psychics who say they can talk to your loved ones and their familiar spirits. No, dog whispering, you know, things in animals and things like that, it's just, it's just that they understand animal behavior, and they know how to use that. I remember seeing a video of a man who, they call him the horse whisperer, I saw it years ago, and there was this horse that was really difficult to work with, and this man, he was really interesting, he explained what he was going to do and why, and he just did body language and he turned certain directions and did certain things at certain times. This horse came up to him and would let him ride him.

It was amazing. And if I could dare say, we have cats, I've always grown up with cats, and I know what cats do, and I can actually influence cats, and I've told people this is what happens when a cat does this, this is why that, do this, don't do that. And I don't know dogs, I'm not a fan of dogs particularly, but I have a friend who knows dogs, we were doing work at a house and his dog came up and I did the opposite of what he said to do. He goes, no, don't do that, that will cause this. I listened to what he said and I did what he said, and he was right.

So it's just that, you know, animals have certain postures and positions and attitudes and they'll do certain things, and people are just in tune with them and that's all it is. Okay? Now if they can, say they talk to them and know their thoughts, that's a problem. Okay? Alright. Well I think there's just certain people who get into certain occultic things and then they have these, and so then it's kind of hard to figure out, okay, where, what's going on here? I do have one other question if that's okay?

Sure. Because I had called before about the muscle testing and, you know, to make sure that we both were on the same page of where the person will actually put their arm out and try to resist someone pushing down on them, and when you get a response, well I was about to say a lot of times I'll say with what I'm familiar with at the moment is someone would hold a particular thing in their hand to see whether or not their body is deficient in something, and depending on the weakness on the arm that would let them know yes or no, and I just said no, um, well let me, we're almost out of time, let me just jump in a little bit. This kind of thing is interesting, there are actually physiological responses, you can hold, they've done studies, hold an arm out and they'll put a color in front of people and they get weaker, there's actually something that goes on, they don't understand how the brain does this or what, so what object is it that they're holding?

We don't know what the real reason is, that weakness might be a side effect, it could be electrical, it could be that it's a shape, it could be that there's a psychological problem someone has with a certain object, who knows, but it needs to be studied more, we're out of time, you can call back tomorrow, we can talk about it some more, okay? Sorry about that. Thank you. Alright, hey everybody, God bless, and I hope you have a great evening tonight, and by His grace we're back on there tomorrow, and we'll talk to you then, have a good evening, talk to you later, bye bye.