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The Truth Network Podcast is produced by Truth Network Podcast. On the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther's nailing the 95 thesis to the Wittenberg door, I had the privilege of preaching, on that Sunday, too. So, you know, things like that, they're small, but they're important.

And I'm grateful to the Lord for allowing certain things like that. Hey, here in the Boise, Idaho area, um, we had the arrival of none other than Biden. Uh, Biden was here and I went out with my wife and some other friends and we held up signs. And let me just say that, uh, what we, there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people, and I took pictures and let me tell you, the crowds that were there with signs, uh, and a lot of them, I'm showing them on, on, um, the video right now, but, uh, uh, and you're going to be careful because some of these are, you know, pretty foul about Biden and I mean, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people were out there and the secret service was out there, helicopters are flying around the whole bit and, um, we were there with signs protesting. We protest Biden.

I do not approve of him as an opinion, what, 87, 85 or $87 billion worth of weapons given to the enemy and, um, hundreds of people left in Afghanistan. Americans that, that, uh, he said, all who want to get out, no, they want out and people are hiding and are being sought after and being killed by the Taliban and he's left them there. People are very upset and, um, there, it was great to see a lot of people who were standing up. We had, uh, two BLM people that were there. They were escorted by the police to make sure that no one assaulted them.

And I didn't find it, they wouldn't have been assaulted anyway, uh, because, uh, we believe in peace. And, uh, someone was, someone said, and rightfully so, what have been reversed? It was a pro Biden thing. And those two, uh, you know, say Trump supporters, let's just say, was going through, would they have been safe?

Not at all. Um, but nevertheless, there was an Antifa guy there as well. And, um, it was just interesting to, uh, to see. And I talked to the Antifa guy and also I talked to a guy from the, uh, associated press, uh, who was, um, out there, nice guy.

And we talked a little bit, didn't give me any information, tried to get some information out of him. But, uh, anyway, so, uh, it was a, it's a big crowd, a lot of people out there. And, uh, it was really something, it was really something to see all of that. And I'm, I'm glad to be an American and glad that we have the right so far to, uh, to assemble and to resist, uh, tyranny. And I believe that there's tyranny coming down.

Uh, I do, uh, because I don't believe that, uh, I don't believe that people in Washington are really adhering to the constitution. That's what I'll say. That's what I'll say anyway, if you want to give me a call for open lines, 877-207-2276. Let's get to David from Kansas city. Dave. Welcome. You are on the air.

Thank you, Matt. Sure. Uh, I got sideways with my pastor yesterday because he had a great sermon on giving up until he brought Malachi, uh, three, uh, eight to 13 into the equation and applied it to us Christians today.

Are we under that same curse? If we don't give our thought, no. Now I'm going to give you some theology. All right.

Give you some things. So there's a doctrine called federal headship. Federal headship means that the male, not the female, but the male represents a descendants. So we are said to be in Christ. That's Romans 5, 18, first Corinthians, 15, 22. And it says in Romans seven, four, that those who have died are freed from the law.

That's Romans seven, four in Romans six, six, we have died with Christ in Romans six, eight, we were crucified with Christ. If we have died with Christ, then we are no longer under the law. As Romans seven, four says, we've died to the law.

The law has no jurisdiction over us while when someone dies. So the old Testament covenant is that law, and we are no longer under obligation to follow that old Testament covenantal aspect of that law requirement. However, the 10 commandments are interesting in that nine out of the, out of 10 were re-instituted in the new Testament, the one that was not re-instituted was the Sabbath. We are not to keep the Sabbath the way they were doing in the old Testament, because we've died to the law and Jesus is our rest, Matthew 11, 28. So furthermore, the old covenant, Latin is Testamentum, covenant, Testamentum, old covenant, old Testament, new Testament, the old covenant system, so to speak, was done away with or fulfilled or ended with a death of Christ.

Romans eight, I mean, of Hebrews eight, 13, Hebrews nine, 15 through 16. So with the institution of the new covenant, then we have the new rules and tithing is never said to be a law or an obligation in the new Testament. So I like to say to people, we are free to talk about the law. We are free to tithe.

We're not obligated to, so we tithe because we want to support God's ministry and God's work, but it's not a legalistic thing we have to do. Okay. Right.

Well, I tithe because I go to these estate sales and garage sales and see what people left behind here on earth and it's worthless and I want to pay my stuff forward where moth eats and rust doesn't grow up. So that's the way I feel about it. Thank you, Matt. Yeah.

Well, you can tithe, you know, and pastors do need to, you know, in fact, people, some people tithe to calm because, uh, you know, we have full time people in different parts of the world and, uh, you know, we're trying to further take the kingdom of God and there's no way we, I could work as a 40, 50 hour a week job and do calm the way I do. So yeah, I support you and pray for you. So yes, I believe that. Oh, thank you, man. You're awesome, Dave. Appreciate that. But there you go. Okay.

There you go. Thank you. All right, man.

God bless buddy. All right. Okay. Let's go to Dave from Salt Lake City.

Dave. Welcome. You're on the air. Thank you for taking my call. Sure.

What do you got? Um, how, how should we treat the gambling, uh, occasionally or not at all? Or that's a tough one. Um, gambling is a form of seeking chance for benefit and that's unbiblical because God is a sovereign King and with, as he says, the cast a lot, he's the one who causes it to go where he desires. So we have to make sure that what we're not doing is looking to any form of gambling for safety or for provision, because that's a waste of the, of the Providence, providential provisions that God has given us. But then again, what do you do if, uh, you know, you buy one lotto ticket a week or one lotto ticket a month?

Uh, it's, let's just say $1. Is that a gambling? Yes, it is. But is it a frivolous? Well, no, it's not.

Is it out of control? No, it's not. And so I can't say, for example, that buying a lotto ticket is sinful. I can't say it's not because the Bible doesn't really talk about things like that.

Uh, in that way, we don't want to use, um, those kinds of things as the means by which we're to be provided for. We need to trust God. Now, I know a guy, uh, who, uh, in California and occasionally he'll take like, say $100 and because he tithes, he, uh, goes, he's Christian, goes to church. He helps people. And every now and then he'll just take a, you know, a hundred bucks or something. He'll drive over to, uh, called Stateside and gamble that a hundred dollars away. And, uh, when he's done, he just walked, he just comes home.

Now, is that sinful? Well, I can't say that it is because he's not hooked by it. He doesn't go there all the time. It's a specific form of entertainment for him. And he just does that as what he likes.

I go, okay, that's what you like. He's not, um, he's not hooked by it and he's not looking to it as a means of provision, uh, you know, as instead of God. So this is not a real easy thing to say. I know that a lot of Christians would say absolutely never get it. Christians would say, absolutely never gamble. Well, are you gambling? You would take the COVID shot, you know, you know, so you get gambling.

If there are certain conditions you hope things are going to work out. What about the stock market? Can you get in the stock market? Is that the form of gambling?

Yeah. And I have cryptocurrency, it goes up and down a couple of thousand dollars a day or whatever it is. Uh, is that gambling? Well, no, it's not, you know, it's in there for an investment. And I'm, I'm there trying to hope, you know, to make a little something, uh, to provide and things like that.

And I look to God as a, as the one who's providing through it. And, but it's not like I'm just taking my money. Uh, like you do in gambling.

Sometimes you walk up to a lake and turn your back to the lake, take your money, toss it in the back of the lake and go home. That's what a lot of gambling is. And so, um, it's not that easy. And I don't want to say that it's, it's automatically sinful. Uh, but I will say this, if anybody's looking to it as the means of provision instead of God, then it's sinful.

And if you're looking to it in that way, you've got to be careful. Okay. Yeah.

Listen to, I, you know, a lot of people online and it's like, some say no and some say yes, and some say, you know, as long as it doesn't control your life or, you know, I don't know. That's it. Yeah. So like a church bingo. That would that be, yeah, there's another form of gambling and, and what do you do? Uh, you know, but so the idea of gambling in the, I think that is very definitely sinful is like I said, using it as a means of provision. I'm going to gamble this a hundred bucks and I hope I make all this money.

And that's what I'm going to buy my food, my family with. That's a problem. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. All right. All right, thank you, buddy. Okay, Dave, God bless, man. Yeah, God bless. All right. All right. Uh, Hey, we'll get to Alberto next after the break. So please hold on. We'll be right back. We have two open lines.

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Welcome back to the show. to the show let's get to Alberto from Georgia hey Alberto welcome you're on the air are you there I hit the button yes sir I can better hear you hello I hear you you're so good to me all right yes what do you got buddy yeah um yeah I got a question I can feel logins and pastors say that the Antichrist might be a Jewish guy or other ones preachers out but the logan might say he'd be a Roman he stands an old Roman Empire so could be born from little town in Bethlehem or some little town maybe where a pilot was born so what's your take on that I don't know I don't know what nationality is gonna be there's a strong hint he'll be born out of the rebuilt Roman Empire out of Europe lately there have been those who have been raising the argument I've not looked at him yet to examine them but then in fact he might be a Muslim and that makes sense I don't know if you know if certain things fit I just haven't done the research but if it was a Muslim leader that would make sense in that a lot of the Muslims would submit to that where Christians would to depending but reverse it right would never happen so that's just one another theory so I don't know I don't know what the nationality will be some ministers say to that he might get shot in the left eye it will be paralyzed so he told tired side of his left body yep yeah left side will be paralyzed and maybe a false resurrection and also he'll probably be a homosexual also how much sexual mm-hmm I have an article on it on Karm on the Antichrist you can check it out and all right you can see you know so yeah Antichrist or it could be a transgender you never know well these let's see let's see I'm trying to look okay here we go it's the spirit of Antichrist lawlessness poses and I have a whole article he's looking at the dictionary because I have some other information on him but Antichrist who what is the Antichrist Christian yeah anyway what could be a woman completely changed to a man no it's gonna be a guy it'll be a guy boastful combative Daniel that'd be weird it you know I gotta think about that what if it was a transsexual kind of a thing that would be really interesting boastful combative injured on the head and arms I could write 11 17 Lord of the worthless Shepherd who leaves the flock of sword will be on his arm and his right eye his arm will be totally withered and his right eye will be blind Daniel 11 37 he shall show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women nor will he show regard for any other God for he will magnify himself above all so he might be an atheist homosexual who knows and the spirit of Antichrist is alive and well etc and so who or what is the Antichrist is the article one car we can go check it out article called the who or what is the Antichrist okay who or what okay all right thank you yeah all right all right thank you thank you right man okay buddy God bless all right take care okay thanks let's get to Blaine from Ohio hey Blaine welcome you are on the air thank you mm-hmm so we got man oh I would like to see if you could explain Colossians third chapter and verses 8 9 and 10 third or second chapter I'm sorry second chapter okay Colossians 2 8 9 and 10 see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy an empty deception according to this tradition of men according to the elementary principles of the world rather than according to Christ for in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form and in him you've been made complete and he's ahead over all rule and authority all right so is there a particular aspect or question you have about this pericope you want me to look at well I'm curious speaking here Jesus is that correct well several things but that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception it doesn't say philosophy isn't valid but being worn being taken captive through philosophy human philosophy and empty deception accord it because he's been he clarifies according to the tradition of men according to the elementary principles of the world rather than to Christ but look to Christ before he looked at anything else and says for in him and the reason is because he's God in flesh for him duels all the fullness of deviant bodily form and in him you have been made complete and he's the head over all rule and authority made full yeah that's fine does that make him the person of the Godhead no it's a wrong question the person of the God heads a non sequitur and it doesn't follow from what the Godhead is because the Godhead is by definition three persons so he wouldn't say he's the person of the three persons so the Godhead is a Trinity and so God is three distinct simultaneous persons we don't look at one verse we look at the entire revelation of Scripture and Deuteronomy 6 for what you just quoted does not negate the doctrine of the Trinity the word for he is one in Greek is a hard and I mean Hebrew has a hard and it means a composite unit like a cluck one cluster of grapes whether the Hebrew word yaki'd means a single unit like one pencil and so it's the former that's used in relationship to God and furthermore God says let us make men in our image let us go down confounder language there's plurality in the Old Testament I give you verses Genesis 17 1 18 1 X is 24 9 to 11 Genesis 19 23 I understand the plurality in the sense of the aspects that make up God but the idea that there's more than one person within the Godhead is totally like outer space or something that it is oh so you can't see outer space so I guess it doesn't exist no I mean what's your logic space that has never been explored you know what I mean by say no I don't no I don't actually that's why I'm asking you because the doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at systematically no single verse of the Bible can refute it and if you are interested in learning how it's arrived at learning what it is I've written a great deal on the Trinity you can go to carm carm dot o-r-g and you can read up and check out on doctor of the Trinity and there's one article I want to look at called the Trinity charts let me ask you this is it possible that in Christendom by them taking scripture out of a Jewish setting which we know they have you know in the centuries since the church began is it possible that by taking the scriptures out of a Jewish setting we've also taken the Godhead out of a Jewish setting I don't know what you mean by that but the doctrine of the Trinity is correct go to carm and look up the Trinity chart and you'll see how it's arrived at okay check it out and call it back when you're dead all right buddy all right now hey folks you have to open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six be right back it's Matt slick live taking a call at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's Matt slick all right when welcome back to the show let's get on with Dave from Florida Dave welcome you're on the air buddy yeah you can hear me yes I can Dave you're on okay I mean I think I've got a question for you about internal security okay you know they you know there's a debate on that once they've always saved and the question is if you know if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ on him alone you know that's enough I take it I don't know if you believe it that or not there's a lot of people who teach on grace believe that now I listen to somebody teaching I got great and they were saying that unless you believe I'm the Lord Jesus Christ and you believe in his death bearing resurrection you have to have that knowledge and then you you know then you would be off you couldn't lose your eternal salvation you'd be saved forever so is that a work in itself having to have a knowledge of death bearing a resurrection what about the thief at the cross we just cried out to Jesus you know save me you know or what about the scripture says all who call upon the Lord shall be saved so I'm just not wondering because a lot of people use that as you don't have the certain knowledge of it you know then you don't have this eternal security if you can answer that question enough okay first of all we're justified before God by faith alone in Christ alone by the grace of God alone there's nothing we do in order to achieve or maintain or regain salvation we cannot lose it Jesus is God in flesh who completely satisfied the requirements of the law first Peter 2 22 never sent and he is the one who bore sin in his body in the cross first Peter 2 24 and he cancelled the sin debt at the cross Colossians 2 14 we're justified by faith Romans 5 1 without the works of the law of Romans 3 28 and when he does not work but believes in him which justifies the ungodly his faith is credited as righteousness Romans 4 5 we're not justified by our knowledge a lot of you will make this mistake that you is called doctrinal regeneration you've got to know these things and appreciate these things believe these things and then you can become saved well that's problematic because the unbeliever cannot receive the things that God further foolishness to him first Corinthians 2 14 he's a slave of sin Romans 6 14 through 20 he doesn't seek for God he doesn't do anything good Romans 3 10 11 and 12 well because of this he's not able to believe these things on his own it has to be granted that he comes to Christ John 6 65 granted that he believed Philippians 1 29 and granted repentance second Timothy 2 25 we do believe because God causes us to be born again 1st Peter 1 3 and we're born again not of our own will John 1 13 and so we're make we're born were changed to take Corinthians 5 17 made new creatures because we're born again John 3 3 through 5 so what happens here is that when God changes us and he regenerates us we believe we freely do believe but it's something God grants to us as well so this is all the work of God that's why Jesus says in John 6 28 29 they asked him what must we do to work the works of God and Jesus says this is the work of God that you believe on whom he has sent so we could do nothing to get I believe that I believe that good I believe that but there's some people who would attack on some other things to it but and in the your problem of evil do you know we just had a guy and I live in Florida we had a guy that killed walking on just randomly killed a whole family people so I'm giving the scenario of this guy you know he goes to jail and killed the whole family you know this merciful this is really bad it was in the news but he goes to go to jail and he gets you know ministered to by somebody who you know leads into the Lord says okay you know just repent your sins so is there one sin do you believe that's worse than another yes since our degrees our degrees of sin taking a paperclip is not as were bad as murdering a whole family Jesus says that the one who delivers him over to the unrighteous trial has the greater sin there's greater sins as greatest punishments as well so that is a great say well so if it's in a murder I guess merciless murder so you're saying that that thing cannot be forgiven nope you say that I didn't say that no you didn't ask that you said there are there says that are different and worse than each other yes murder is forgivable all sins are forgivable except for blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which is saying that Jesus did his miracles by the power of the evil one but other than that all sins to be yeah I believe that too I know thank you I believe that one other question though people talk about greasy grace okay they think that you know hey you know if you believe in the grace message then you know that's giving you a license to stand no no no they don't know that hold on let me try people who say that don't include in that the very issue called regeneration they don't seem to understand that Christ then lives in us John 14 23 we're born from above John 3 3 through 8 we're made new creatures 2nd Corinthians 5 17 we're not the same anymore it's not a license to sin people who raise that objection don't know what they're talking about they don't include God's regenerative work in us they say oh you're saved by just a profession but you can go out and live evil you're still saved is that right it's never what we say it's never the position either God regenerates people he saves them and he indwells them there's a change in them so the critics ignore that fact okay right there should be a change in the mouth they like if there's not a change in by behaviors they're saying they plea you know there's not a change in your behavior elevation could we give that you were never saved yeah yeah for a first chance you for if one who says he knows him but does not keep his commandments the truth is not in him and he's a liar if you say you know God you're just living the same as a non-believer but you're just a hypocrites and you're not saved okay well you know I think someone gets saved and then now now they got a change it takes them a while to change so are they not saved until they change their behavior no no how they people are changed right away when they're really changed things happen and then they change they change very quickly it's not like you had to do it in three seconds it's not like you can do within three years it's just that people change they sometimes have some bad habits that take years to get rid of but there's an immediate change in them that's how it works otherwise you're not born again okay yeah I agree with that um but there's just a lot of people who just trying to catch you catch you in a in a thin because they say well if you've been you know then now you know even you can just go out and send well if I go out and you know that would be hold on no no but if I go out and sin as a Christian that's not a salvation issue correct that's a what a discipleship issue if you just sit as a what as the Christian if you go out and sin it's not a salvation issue it would be a discipleship issue or not wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait what you do is you tack a lot of stuff on really fast and I don't work that way I gotta do one thing at a time so you said if someone goes out and sins what sin what kind of sin let's be a Christian what do you mean what kind of sin is it okay well they got oh well I don't know just then you have to thin that Christian wouldn't do smoking drinking wait wait wait slow down slow down slow down who said a Christian can't smoke who said a Christian can't drink all right what what's been okay oh we'll say stealing then that's what that's a thing right okay there you go that's a sin for sure yeah does it mean or not saved no it doesn't mean or not saved the Holy Spirit will convict him of their sin if they're really saved flying there was repentance towards that the conviction of God will be upon them because that's what happens if there is no conviction there's no change of heart then they're not really born again because the Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin John 16 talks about okay all right yeah okay that's a bad question yeah that's fine my I'm just curious to see how you would don't respond to that I kind of knew a little bit about it but if you had a time for more question I was going to talk about the problem of evil in the world that why and what you know when people say why is there evil and they don't believe in God they're atheists you know they said well why doesn't God come down and you know for the starving babies and save them what do you say about the problem of evil in the in the conclusion of what it depends it depends on who you're talking to if it's an atheist I say late youth okay an atheist I say well define what evil is and how do you know your standard of evil is correct and how do you have evil in an atheistic worldview you've got to answer these questions before we even tackle the original question you've got why would God allow it you don't even know the Christian God and if you how would you know what you are would you say that evil is it has a good purpose to it then because God hold on hold on hold on you always have to tackle the foundation of the critic okay always do that first and the only way they can know what is good or bad is by knowing the character of God an atheist has no universal standard by which they can say anything is good or bad period that's it and so they don't have a leg to stand on so by asking the question they're actually supporting the Christian worldview because only in Christianity can we explain what evil is if they want to talk about suffering that the we got other callers here I'm gonna tell give you this though we're talking about suffering I'll say that yeah I think I think of my time I'm but yeah I agree okay well I would not allow it you know that's okay well we got a break so there you go but we'll just call back another time okay buddy thank you and all right thank that all right hey folks to open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six be right back it's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two seven six here's Matt slick right everybody welcome back to the show let's get on the phone here with fail from Queensborough North Carolina fail welcome I'm doing fine things there is no scripture in the Bible that the gambling is a sin I was told that there were principles in the Bible that said gambling is the same I was told it from a Bible study in charity and they said the principle was that God doesn't want us to make a profit off of somebody else is lost but then I put up the fact that you said Wall Street stops and bonds and all those things but they said no one has to lose for someone to make money off of the stock so then I said to them once I pay or anybody to pay their mortgage or they pay their bills they got food in the refrigerator I said we can enjoy the fruits of our label so some people like to buy shoes they got a fetish for shoes in fact my shoes my shoes have shoes I got so many shoes and some people have a fetish for coal some people like to golf so if that's how they enjoy the fruits of their labors I don't see anything wrong with it so if someone goes and tell a machine or something for joy like somebody goes play ball come here that's not a sin but if the whole experience tells you you should not do it then you shouldn't do it yeah I would agree with it that it yeah and as I was trying to say earlier is trying to give a principle for people that they don't want to use that as a means of gain for the purpose of gain instead of trusting God that is definitely sinful and then there's degrees of issues and so it's not an easy black and white issue to answer and plus to match anything you do in excess it's a sin you can take too much water it's a sin so same thing with gambling if you do it too much or you know in the whole service a basket and you continue then you're standing so you have to listen to the Holy Spirit on those gray areas in the Bible yes always listen to God that's right that's right and and what the Bible says always search the scriptures for that I believe that's correct all right okay that's okay thanks okay all right well god bless okay god bless you mad okay thanks all right let's get on the phone with James from Ohio hey James welcome but you're on the air Oh Matt hey yes I can so what do you got awesome yeah I had a question over in Revelation 14 my question was about what you thought that everlasting gospel was that was that the angel was preaching well that's a good question I would say that it is the gospel message of what Christ has done those who live on the earth so pretty much the same mmm I'm sorry yeah good yeah I know I just say that is so it's the same as the gospel that we have now yeah yeah I would say that that's my opinion mm-hmm right yeah it seems pretty similar there and the verses coming after it kind of gives a little more description to it but do you have time for another question real quick sure go ahead uh second Thessalonians 2 7 be the mystery of iniquity um who is that he who now let us who you suppose that that is you mean the one who restrains yeah some say it's the Holy Spirit and the one of the ideas is that is that when the when the rapture occurs the tree trib rapture that's what the one view says the Holy Spirit is removed and then the Antichrist didn't come in but it's not what the text is saying actually but um yes you know it's one of the views so we don't know it for sure but I would say you know he might be God but in the NSB the he is not capitalized so the intention here then is from their understanding it might not be God what and it says you know what restrains him now so that is in his time he will be revealed for the mystery of lawlessness is already at work only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way so I don't know he is there I honestly don't I mean all I can do is give the conjecture and right that's it so um what do you suppose like the identifying feature or or the event that's going to take place that would signify the start of the tribulation then well I would say that the start of the tribulation is not the preacher of rapture I don't affirm that at all I would say that it's the arrival of the Antichrist where he at the very least is the requirement of buying and selling under kind of a universal mark for Europe probably much of Africa much of Asia probably the Americas I would say that that's probably what's going to happen and that would be the signification of it the midpoint would be he enters the rebuilt temple of Jerusalem and declares himself to be God and of course I do the tribulation and the great tribulation part starts some people think we'll get raptured out at that point and I hold to the idea of getting rapture we have to go through it all that's just my view right you know all the way to the rapture that's spoken of in Revelation like the general rapture well well you see the Bible says there's only one return of Christ just one they come great Christ and it's at the end of the age and at the end of the age is when the harvest occurs you go to Matthew 13 for that and the harvesters are angels and they you know it's when the wheat are taken but the ones are taken before the wheat are the wicked and that's Matthew 13 30 right about to go together and so I don't see how pre-tribulation rapture is is possible if what Jesus is saying allow both to go over to get it till the end of the age I'll say the Reapers first gather the tears and gather the wheat into the barn and then he interprets that him and 40 by 1340 to say that it's the end of the age this is the Reapers are the angels if that taking of the good is the rapture then what it's saying there is the wicked had to be taken away first and that's what it would say so the pre-tribbers would have to say that the rapture can't that can't be the rapture has to be something else they probably have to say something like it was the end of or a second rapture like they have a pre-tribulation rapture and then they go through seven years of time and then there's a second rapture but that doesn't there's nothing like that in Scripture plus if it's a relation thing right it just doesn't work and plus it would be seven years to the day that Jesus would return if the rapture occurs at pre-trib and we would know that the day and so that's a problem too there's lots of problems with pre-trib rapture deal yeah I agree I I'm pro I probably lean more heavily towards pre-trib rapture but I get it gets a little it gets difficult to substantiate it whenever they whenever pre- tribulation rapture position bases the two off each other in other words that's why I asked you the event that would signify the start of the tribulation a pre-tribulation rapture person would say that the start of tribulation is at the rapture and then if you ask then when is the rapture they would just say before the tribulation yeah it's kind of narrow down much you know yeah there are you know I've I used to be pre-trib rapture till I started studying some stuff and then I changed my view I've never looked back I hope I'm wrong and you know if people don't believe that yet I do okay that's fine I hope they're right and it's not a condescending I hope you're right you know I'm laughing no you know I don't have all the answers I certainly hope that I'm wrong I really sincerely don't want to go through it but you know I just don't I'm just not convinced that we're gonna be raptured out and plus you know the temples got to be rebuilt too and that's not happening yet so there's still some things to go through would would the temple rebuilding a good day could it even be a temporary or does it have to be one that is you know raised but I mean couldn't it could a temple could be considered a tent as well right it's probably gonna be on the temple site it looks like the Dome of the Rock is in the court of the Gentiles archaeologically and so it looks like it can be built and the Gentiles will be the place of the the Muslims and in the temple and plus anyway they're trained they are training of priests and they have the ashes of the red heifer and some other stuff that they need so it's just a matter of getting it built and if if they start building the tabernacle when that news starts hitting that's when you want to go out and buy a nuclear bomb shelter bunker and you know and stuff because you know we're you know something we'll get it build a submarine like the Nautilus and hide the bottom of the you know at some trench someplace right cuz yeah okay that's right or move to Idaho you know Idaho's oh I shouldn't say that when everybody come here everybody's coming here everybody's coming here oh yeah yeah awesome well I appreciated your I picked you up from your conversations talking to Orthodox and stuff and I really appreciate how you keep going back to Scripture it really seems like they have a zeal but you know I'm praying for him it's a zeal without knowledge it's a zeal without Christ yes a zeal of tradition knowledge that's right that's right yep it's a bummer okay thank you all right buddy god bless man okay I hope you're right to remember all right okay we'll see you all right let's get to mark from Florida mark welcome you're on the air hi Matt I have a question the subjects on the doctrine of the Trinity sure in the past I've asked other Christians about this and I've gotten a kind of a week I've asked them can you give me an analogy that I can understand a simple analogy and keep an analogy where they said oh well we were created in the image of God and they went in and said well you have a body soul and spirit right they went and related those three things to the Trinity is that valid or is that should I stay away from something like that I don't think it's as valid as they intended to be I think there's better analogies but all analogies break down the one I like to go to his time time is past present and future nothing you know physics they say past present future all exists at the same time we only pass through this one segment I don't get all that but whatever so the past is time the present is time the future is time there's not three separate times there's one thing called time and we see it as three and so God is one thing God we see him as three three persons that's the best kind of analogy it's not and it's got problems but every analogy does another quick question about that can a person be saved and not fully understand the Trinity itself believe it because it's in Scripture but not fully because I I kind of fall into that category I I I prove it because it's written but not because I fully understand it I don't fully understand it and I've been studying and defending it for over 40 years I don't know how God can exist as one God one being in three simultaneous distinct persons it's by faith and I just trust that's what the scriptures reveal and I just move forward saying you know what he's God I'm not he gets it I don't that's okay let's move forward I guess if you'd have to be God to understand that that's right we're not God so I've got that right thank you very much he's sure no problem and God bless all right all right now we're about out of time in fact pearl from Rockville we won't be able to get to you call back tomorrow about the meaning of man and God's image that's a good question I have a good answer for you if you want to call back tomorrow we can talk about that all right sorry I just have a time may the Lord bless you all and by his grace is back on here tomorrow and hopefully we'll talk to you then so God bless everybody I hope you have a great evening another program powered by the truth Network