Dealing with Doubts - Jesus, You, and the Fight for Human Rights, Part 2

Nearly 250 years ago Thomas Jefferson penned the famous phrase, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. But where did that idea come from? And how did that idea launch a little-known group in America to fight slavery when the world was absolutely against them?

That's today. We are an international teaching and discipleship ministry that motivates Christians to live like Christians. We're grateful you've joined us today as our guest teacher John Dickerson shares the second half of his talk, Jesus, You, and the Fight for Human Rights. But before we get going, if you want to go back and listen to the first half of John's message or revisit any other part of our Dealing with Doubts series, check out the Chip Ingram app. So if you're ready, John begins by describing how the equality and freedoms we enjoy today are the result of the Christians who fought for them throughout history.

Let's dive in. As ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. That was the Quakers' mantra. We call it the golden rule today, and in modern English it sounds more like this, do unto others as you would have them do to you.

Or at an elementary level, treat others the way you want to be treated. That was their whole thesis. And the Quaker Christians within the United States started this spread of people who could read the Bible for themselves becoming convinced that even if I don't have slaves, I need to be an activist in ending slavery as a whole. The Quaker Christians knew that the largest slave empire at that time was the British Empire, because Britain at that time controlled Australia, South Africa, colonies all around the world, including parts of North America. And so the Quakers started to create at great expense to themselves these propaganda coins, anti-slavery propaganda coins with scripture on them.

On the left you see a slave kneeling and he says, Am I not a man and a brother? That is a Bible verse from the book of Philemon, verse 16. On the right side you see their Quaker mantra, whatever ye would that men should do to you, do ye to them also. In fact, the Quakers sent so much literature and so many activists over to England and to the British territories to petition against slavery that we have a modern term that was coined by their huge propaganda push to end slavery, and it's the term campaign.

When someone campaigns for office or if you campaign for a cause, that term was coined by the Quakers campaigning to end slavery. Here's that verse, Philemon 1.16. This is all the way back about 30 years after Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven in the New Testament church. New Testament church was this first ever in history where you had men and women worshiping openly together, where you had all the different races in an incredibly racially divided world gathering together. Paul the Apostle would write things like here in the church there is not male or female, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all and in all.

This was revolutionary 2,000 years ago. And within that context, Paul the Apostle wrote to a man who had a slave, who had become a Christian. And he says this, he is no longer a slave to you. He's now a beloved brother, especially to me. Now he will mean much more to you. In other words, keep taking care of him physically, but he's not your slave now.

He's your brother. He's a man made in the image of God and a brother in the Lord. These are the kind of passages the Quaker Christians would quote. Well, as the Quakers campaigned and sent their literature to the British Empire, a young man there named William Wilberforce, who had been fairly wealthy and a lawmaker and didn't really care about the cause to end slavery because he had constituents who were making money off of it. William Wilberforce became a born again believer, a follower of Jesus. And it so changed him that he looked at the nation around him and he said, people, you can't call yourself a Christian unless you're actually reading the words of Jesus and doing what he said.

And so he wrote a book called Real Christianity. And that book, over about 30 years, swayed the entire population there in England to overthrow slavery, to make it illegal not only in England, but in all of the British territories. William Wilberforce, after he became a believer in Jesus, got exposed to that Quaker propaganda, if you will, the campaigning against slavery. Okay, so now slavery is outlawed in a good part of the world where the British Empire is.

But here in the United States, it still exists. We're into about the 1800s now. And in the 1800s, we know exactly who the people are who led the charge to end slavery. We know it because their publications and books still exist today.

You can go to university libraries and you can see original copies of these documents that I'm showing you. For example, the Declaration of the Anti-Slavery Convention. It's a group of thought leaders who gathered and said, we're going to give our lives to end slavery.

It's about 30 years before the Civil War. Now, we know everyone who signed this document because within it they wrote, we know we might get killed for this. We know it might cost us our fortunes and our homes, but we are so convinced that this is God's will. And we fear God more than man that if we die as martyrs, we die as martyrs.

We're going to end slavery in the land that we call home. We know exactly who signed it because their names are still on there. And if you were to survey those names, you'd find more than half. In fact, the majority say reverend. These were pastors. These were clergy who were riling up their entire congregations to say we must overthrow slavery. Now, let me show you on this document just a little bit of the scripture. If you look in the highlighting here, everything that's highlighted there, there are eight different Bible verses.

So on the top half of the declaration to end slavery in the US, their whole justification is from scripture. In fact, even that picture in the middle is a man kind of strangling evil. And under it is this quote where Jesus said, My followers, you're going to go do greater things. You're going to tread the serpent underfoot.

In other words, you're going to extinguish evil. The serpent's a picture of Satan. And these abolitionists, they saw it as a spiritual high calling, as their eternal destiny to do the work of God on Earth by extinguishing slavery. The signers are a beautiful mix of European descended Caucasian Americans and African American Americans who had been freed from slavery or who had bought their freedom or who had been born in the north. One of those is the Reverend Theodore Wright. Theodore Wright had been born in the north, never was a slave himself, born into an orphanage run by Quaker Christians. An orphanage that had a school, so most African Americans didn't know how to read. But because he'd been born into a Christian orphanage, he was taught to read, became highly educated, a Presbyterian reverend. He's one of those many signers of that anti-slavery convention. And what I document in the book Jesus Skeptic and what you just need to know is that if you go one by one through those signers and you read their own writing and you say, were they motivated by Islam or by Karl Marx or by atheism or by Buddhism?

You'll find things like this from Theodore Wright. Blessed be God for the principles of the gospel. The gospel is essentially Jesus' life and teaching. Were it not for these and for the fact that a better day is dawning, I would not wish to live. Blessed be God for the anti-slavery movement.

Blessed be God, there is a war waging with slavery. He stood side by side with people like Elijah Lovejoy. Elijah Lovejoy was a pastor and a reverend. He was also a newspaper printer and writer.

And he would often write things like this. 1 Timothy 1 verse 9 says in the Bible, we know that the law is made for lawbreakers and rebels. What are some categories of lawbreakers and rebels? Slave traitors and liars.

And so those are contrary to the gospel. And Elijah Lovejoy as a pastor and writer would take passages like that and he would write books and pamphlets that would say, you can't call yourself a God-fearing person and allow slavery. Well, Elijah Lovejoy lived in St. Louis and so on one side of the river was slave territory and on his side was free territory. It was not uncommon that the pro-slavery rebels from the south would cross the river and burn down his house, which was also his publishing headquarters. They did this on three occasions and on the fourth, they brought a shotgun with them. And a mob broke into his house of those who wanted slavery and they shot Elijah Lovejoy five times with the shotgun.

They killed him. These followers of Jesus would go and paint towns with posters like these. I don't know what weakness may overcome me, but I don't believe I will ever deny my Lord Master Jesus Christ. And I would deny him if I denied my principles against slavery.

They'd put up posters like this, what is life or rest to me? So long as I should hold a commission direct from God Almighty to act against slavery. The will that it took.

The will that it took and the motivation. Now, I'm gonna go through very quickly a number of these leading books from the time that swayed the Northerners who were kind of complacent and saying, well, I don't have slaves, what does it have to do with me? It was books like this, The Bible Against Slavery or The Testimony of God Against Slavery or an Anti-Slavery Manual, an examination in the light of the Bible and of facts into the moral and social wrongs of American slavery with a remedy for the evil. That's written by a pastor, John Fee. John Rankin started as a pastor in Kentucky. He got up in front of his church and he said, slavery's evil, you all need to set your slaves free. And they ran him out of town. They didn't wanna do what Jesus said.

It was one of those, quote, churches, quote, Christians who weren't actually following Jesus. So the Reverend Rankin sold everything he had in Kentucky. He moved to the other side of the Ohio River.

And in Ohio, slavery was illegal. So John Rankin bought a house. This is his house, you can go visit it today in Ripley, Ohio. And you can look out his window and that's the Ohio River. And what John Rankin would do is what's called the Underground Railroad, these safe houses that escaping slaves could stay in.

His house was the first safe house north of the Ohio River. And there are dozens of true stories of him looking out that window in the winter months when the river was iced over and slaves with children barefoot are running across the river and he would grab that lantern that you see there and he would run down and he would bring them to his home. And he would clothe them and he would feed them because he believed in a God who said all people are made equal and whatever you've done for those who are the most hurting, you've done unto me.

Harriet Tubman who is well documented as a great hero of the faith who not only escaped slavery but then risked her life to keep going back in and leading others out. Her very final words documented in her official obituary are these, Give my love to all the churches. Because these churches, the good churches were so interwoven with this cause.

I go to prepare a place for you, she said, where I am you may also be. If you know your Bible, she's quoting Jesus. This is a quote of Jesus. And how beautiful to know that Harriet Tubman and all of these heroes of the faith we're gonna get to meet in the kingdom of heaven for those of us who follow Jesus.

Frederick Douglass, another well documented hero who also escaped from slavery, bought his freedom but then went back to help others, traveled around the northern states as a lecturer and an author turning the national will against slavery. There's a passage in his book, his autobiography, where he describes his conversion at about age 11. He was hearing the good news of Jesus preached and he decided to believe in Jesus for himself. And after he became a Christian and in the south he saw these people who claimed to be Christians, he wrote this, between the Christianity of this land, those people who would justify slavery for their income but don't actually read the Bible, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference. And you'd think that that would turn him away from being a Christian at all, but quite the opposite. He said, no, I'm a true Christian.

I'm one who actually follows Jesus. And in his autobiography, when he describes his moment of conversion, he talks about this old man who was there who prayed with him. And the good old man had told me that the Lord had great work for me to do. So when Frederick Douglass would be showing up at a lecture hall and there was word that, hey, there's pro-slavery rebels coming.

They're gonna try to attack you. He had this fire inside him because of his own free will and personality and the great hero he is, but also because he believed in a God who had called him to an eternal work. He says of the moment right after he was converted, I saw the world in a new light, light of the world. And my great concern was to have everybody converted. Well, by God's grace, these righteous followers of Jesus and thousands of others prevailed in the US Civil War and extinguished at least the open legalized slavery, the beginning of a journey that continues of true equality in our land.

A journey that, by the way, will probably not be fully completed until Christ returns. But here's what I want you to zoom out. I know as Americans, we get real caught up on America. After the Civil War in 1890, the wealthiest nations in the world, who's that, the US, Britain, France, mostly Western Europe, they gathered in Brussels to sign the 1890 Brussels Act.

This was the first time in all of human history, thousands of years, this was the only time that the wealthiest nations gathered together and they said, we declare slavery illegal and evil and we will not conduct trade, we will not do business with any country that allows open and legalized slavery. You're listening to Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram, and we'll get back to our guest teacher, John Dickerson, in just a minute. But let me quickly ask, do you know someone who's a skeptic? Maybe it's that close friend or family member who genuinely doubts the truth of the Bible or the existence of Jesus. Well, stick around after the teaching to hear about a resource bundle we've put together that'll provide answers and direction for that doubter in your life.

But for now, here again is John. It's as a result of that that many other nations who were dragging their feet on slavery were more or less forced to come around. And what you can do is you can look at those nations in 1890 who signed that act and you can look at their populations, how Christian were they, and they're all over 70% Christian nations. Russia at the time, this is before the Bolshevik Revolution. I know I'm getting into history here, forgive me. Russia was an Orthodox Christian nation at the time. The Western European nations, they weren't perfect. They were messed up, but they were trying to do what Jesus said, and they overthrew slavery.

That's why we've been born into a world, this isn't even 200 years old, where slavery is assumed to be an evil. And of course, the fight for true human rights continues in modern history with people like the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., a Baptist pastor, a seminary graduate, who you can go online and you can listen to his speeches. And what you'll find as you listen to him is that the majority of them are sermons and that the majority of them were delivered in churches on Sunday mornings. He said things like this, I want it to be known throughout Montgomery and throughout this nation that we are Christian people. We believe the Christian religion. Of the entire logic and philosophy of him giving his life in uncomfortable ways, being willing to die as a martyr if necessary, he said this, if we are wrong, then Jesus of Nazareth was merely a utopian dreamer that never came down to earth. If we are wrong, justice is a lie and love has no meaning. I hope what you don't hear from me is some kind of assumption that everyone who's claimed to be a Christian is perfect. They're not, I'm not, we're not. But we gotta zoom out to realize only one time in all the thousands of years of history has slavery been completely made illegal and overthrown and then spread globally. That's happened one time and we know the people who led the charge and we can read their motivations for ourselves and it's not atheism or Karl Marx or Buddhism or these other thought systems that I'm not here to attack them, but you're just not gonna find that in the logic of the people who led this charge.

Jesus' followers, those who truly have read his words and said, we'll do what he says no matter the cost. Don't worry, I'm not gonna unpack all this. But I just wanna talk about our world today. How are women's rights in the world today?

I'm not gonna open this wide open. We've got a long ways to go on all these things because we're born into a world that's corrupted by sin and evil. Human nature has been corrupted.

Jesus is the only one who can change people's very nature. So women's rights in the world today aren't where they need to be, but the World Economic Forum has ranked countries by their women's rights. And I've got the list for you here, so I didn't put this together.

This is from the World Economic Forum. And then what I did is I looked at those countries and I went to the Pew Research Center, which we've talked about, a non-Christian group that tells you here's how many people are Christians in each of these countries. And I put those lists together and I found that in the top 10 nations for women's rights today, the average population is 75% Christian. Now I just wanna show you the other end of the list. Here are the 10 worst nations for women's rights in the world today. Yemen, Pakistan, Syria. These are societies that exist today where if a woman goes outside without her head covered, she gets beaten with a whip, where she's not allowed to drive a car, she's not allowed to have an education, she's not allowed to vote, where women are still sold in marriages, where deals are still made where it says, oh, you don't have enough money to pay?

Then I'll take your sister as payment. And these are nations, societies, where Christianity is not allowed. And that is present, but it's also, if you were to trace back in these top 10 and lowest 10 nations, you could trace back 500 years and you'll see Christianity as a major influence in the top 10 and as a total lack of influence in the bottom 10. The point is this, Jesus' followers, though imperfect, as they have followed him, have become a light in the world in a way that nothing else in history ever has.

And the bottom line is this, if you really wanna make the world a better place, we all say we do, if you really wanna make the world a better place, then why not join the movement that has an irrefutable track record of these huge breakthroughs in society? Back 2,000 years ago, John the disciple wrote this about Jesus, in him was life and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome. The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world.

He was in the world and though the world was made through him, he's the creator, the world did not recognize him. My question for you today, have you recognized Jesus as the light of the world? Have you recognized him? Have you invited him to extinguish any darkness or evil within you, within your family? And then once you have, will you join us as a movement that says we'll be sincere followers of Jesus and we're gonna live under a God who is just, who has made all people equal? You're listening to Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram. John Dickerson has been our guest teacher for this program Jesus, You, and the Fight for Human Rights from our series Dealing with Doubts. He and Chip will be back in studio shortly to share their application for this message. If someone were to ask you, how do you know Jesus actually lived or can we really trust the Bible?

What would you say? Join pastor and award-winning journalist John Dickerson as he explores these complex topics. Drawing on evidence from various credible sources and the impact Christians have had throughout history, John builds a credible case for believing in Jesus. Our hope is that as you listen, you'll be able to confidently say, Jesus is real, the Bible is true, and I can prove it.

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So check out the resources page at LivingOnTheEdge.org today. Well, Chip's joining me in studio now, and Chip, you know, I'm sure we all know someone who's cynical of, or even of, or even hostile towards the claims of the Bible. So take a minute, if you would, and explain how John's testimony in his popular book Jesus Skeptic will help us better defend our faith. Well, Dave, John comes from a background actually where it was a very religious background and pretty rigid in some ways.

And he actually went through his own season of, I don't know if I can believe all this. And he happens to be very smart, decided to take up a life as a journalist, and actually won the Brokaw Award, very prestigious of the top investigative journalist in America. And it was on that journey that John decided, I'm not going to take other people's word for things. And so first-hand research, he doesn't look at the quotes in the back of books, he goes and reads the very first-hand research, or he goes to the actual places. And so I found this, young friend who was a millennial, who was very, very smart, who'd done a lot of research, and what I realized was, as I listen to the world that I'm in, and I go to a church with a lot of very, very young people, and I see their worldview, I recognized John basically is speaking their language and answering the questions that they have, and some of our history is just completely buried.

Or, part of what the Bible says has been really, what can I say, it's been tilted in ways and bent in ways to make it sound very ugly and very unlike Jesus. And so my heart's desire was that people would get to know someone who is smart, who's academic, who's an absolutely committed Christian, who did the first-hand research, and I will guarantee this, this is the kind of book that you need to sit down with the younger people in your life, read together, and have a discussion. And I think all parties concerned, young and old, will have a number of aha moments and realize the power of love and truth and justice and compassion that we take for granted that we're all birthed out of a Christian framework and worldview. Well, because we believe so strongly in sharing your faith with the next generation we've bundled two of our more popular resources together to help. The first is this book, Jesus Skeptic, and the other is Chip's work, Why I Believe. We pray that together these tools will prove that Jesus is real and the Bible is true and showcase the profound ways Christianity has shaped our world for the better. Learn more about this bundle by calling 888-333-6003 or by visiting LivingOnTheEdge.org.

App listeners tap special offers. Well, with that, here again are Chip and John to share a few final thoughts. Thanks so much, Dave. Well, John, I'm grateful to have you back again with me in studio today. Today you wrapped up your talk on the inequality and unfairness and injustice that we've seen in history and how followers of Christ have responded to it.

Could you fast forward to today? What wisdom would you give to us right now in terms of being that kind of witness and dealing with issues of injustice or inequity? In fact, where do you see Christians making a positive impact today the way they did in the past?

Thanks, Chip. That's such a great question. And the reality is I see Christians today fighting injustice all around the world. If you were to travel to Cambodia and Thailand, countries where human slavery and sex trafficking is still sadly rampant and regular, and if you were to visit the groups that are there ending modern-day slavery and sex trafficking, you would find one after another that they're followers of Jesus.

And this is true also of hospitals and orphanages that are founded in pioneering areas like Africa and rural parts of South America and medical boats that go up and down the Amazon River. The reality is followers of Jesus continue doing this today. Now, for those of us in America who maybe aren't called to go directly to Cambodia or Thailand or to the Amazon River, how do we be part of that? How we be part of that is we run God's play, God's way. Jesus said, go and make disciples, baptizing them, and then teaching them to obey all these things. When we share Jesus with others and other people repent and believe, God then transforms their heart. And as we disciple them to know the truth that sets them free, God calls them to go and set other captives free. And so the best thing you can do as a follower of Jesus is be part of a vibrant local church, a body of believers where Jesus is the head, where his word is taught, where his spirit is alive and working, and be there and serve and give and be part of a disciple-making movement. Because as you do that, God will send out from your church missionaries who will go to Cambodia or Thailand or to the Amazon River and set their captives free spiritually and even literally right here in the U.S. So how do we do it? We run God's play, God's way, trusting that when we do that, he will bring about the results of freedom.

Great word, Jon. As we close, I want to thank each of you who makes this program possible through your generous giving. One hundred percent of your gifts go directly to the ministry or to the church.

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