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If you liked the video, leave a like. and he will lead you. I'm going to warn you, it's difficult sometimes.

Not every time, not every day, but sometimes it is. I can tell you stories where I've had to make some very difficult decisions and it cost me a great deal, but it made me what I am. And I'll tell you, it's worth it. So remember, law gospel cost. The law reveals your sin and the consequences of your sin. The gospel is the remedy of your sin and the remedy to the consequences of your sin and the cost. That's what it takes to commit to Christ, to be willing to follow him, to pick up your cross and follow after him as you calculate the cost of being a disciple of Jesus.

That's what you ought to do. So amen to that and may the Lord bless you in the hearing of his gospel word. Matt from North Carolina, welcome. You're on the air, buddy. Hey, Matt, how you doing?

Doing all right, and there's a break. Yeah, I'll wait. We'll be right back, buddy, okay? Hey, folks, please stay tuned. We have a couple open lines 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Welcome back to the show. We have a couple open lines. Give me a call, 877-207-2276. I'm going to remind you that those of you who are listening, hey, we have a website, CARM.org, CARM.org.

There are over 5,000 articles written there and a lot of different topics are very theologically minded as well as some devotions there as well. Check it out, CARM.org. All right, Matt from North Carolina, you there? Yes, Matt. All right, so what do you got, buddy? I was told on a certain web page on Facebook that the exhausted Strong's Concordance is not a real reliable source on Kwanee Creek.

Is that true? Well, I've never had any problem with the Strong's Concordance. And when I use concordances, I will use the Strong's, the Luenita Concordance as well. The Theological Book of New Testament Words, I'll use that. I'll use the New American Standard Hebrew Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries. I have a lot of different sources that I'll use, but I've never had any problem with the Strong's.

Never noticed any issue. Now, is this a King James only person saying this? Oh, well, I'm, I'm, I'm, well, I used to be King James only, but I mainly do use the King James, but instead of just using that Bible, I'll use the Strong's Concordance to look deeper in the meaning of a word.

Well, you shouldn't do that with that. What I would do if I were you is get, you get, there's, I'm trying to remember it, oh man, what, Knave's Topical Bible? No, there's a, there's a, oh, I cannot believe, I can't remember the name of this, but there's a Word Studies, maybe someone in the text chat will type it in. There's a, an old book that actually goes through and takes words and goes through their semantic domains, and I forget the title of it. When I, if I remember it, I'll cite it.

I haven't had to use it for a long time, but it's very useful. You can find theological dictionaries as well. Theological dictionaries, you can go to commentaries, you can do lexicons, Greek dictionaries, there's all kinds of stuff, and between all of it you'll get a good understanding of what's going on. Okay? Okay.

Thanks, Matt. Yeah, I wouldn't go with just one thing, like I would use the King James, the N-E-S-B, the E-S-B, and if you have a difference of translations sufficiently, then you want to go to an interlinear. An interlinear shows the Greek underneath the English and the Hebrew, or the, it shows the original languages plus the literal translation underneath.

And there are different books that will take these literal translations and analyze the words in different contexts. And so there are lots of tools out there, lots of tools. So you can go to Blue Letter Bible, for example, blueletterbible.com, and you can start going there and checking out some of the tools that they have. It's a great place. Or you can go to esword.com, and it's mostly free. It's really good stuff there as well.

And you can download a program for study. Okay? Okay.

Okay. All right, buddy. You have a good day.

You too, God bless. All right, let's get to Brian from Charleston, South Carolina. Brian, welcome. You are on the air. Hey, Matt. Thanks for taking my call, man.

Sure. Hey, okay, so I'll just start it by saying, so it's about being blessed. So we're, like, I'm blessed for, I'm blessed with, you know, a nice family, a beautiful family.

They're healthy. I'm blessed for the career. I'm blessed with success and nice things in life, right? So in, when Jesus spoke to Thomas and told him, you know, after he touched him to believe he was there and see me and believe me, now blessed are they who have believed and have not seen. Is that the same kind of blessed that, are they blessed to see and to believe? Is that the kind of blessed, like, the same way I kind of described that I'm blessed?

Oh, well, the context. He says, because you see me, you believe. Blessed are they who don't see and yet believe.

And he's just, and it's a makarios in Greek, you know, to be blessed. And he's just saying, you know, you're, you know, you're saying to Thomas, he says, look, you've seen, because Thomas, I'm not going to believe unless I can, you know, touch him and see. And Jesus appears to him and says, put your hand into my side, et cetera. And Thomas says, my Lord and my God. And Jesus says, because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe.

So Thomas had, so to speak, an unfair advantage. There's Jesus, resurrected, holes in his wrists and his feet and his side, beard plucked out of his face right before Thomas. And he believed. And see, Jesus then says, blessed are those who do not see yet believe. So he's just saying, you're blessed. That's all. And blessed in salvation, blessed in the presence of God, blessed in God's favor on you because of the work of Christ and you believe and trust in him.

That's what's going on here. Okay, so my, I guess more, more kind of clearing up my question, are we blessed, are we blessed to be able to believe in God? Yes. In Jesus? Yeah, because he grants that we can believe. Philippians 1 29, that's a blessing from God. Okay, that makes sense, yeah. There's been, that's been a question in my mind and I thought I had it and I thought I'd ask you.

Cool, awesome. Well, remember, every good and perfect gift comes from God, James 1 17. Your faith in him is a gift from God because it's something that he grants to you, Philippians 1 29.

That's what it says. To you it has been granted to believe. And so he's blessed you so much, the most important blessing you have and not your family, but your salvation. And then God has further blessed you with a family. So you're a blessed man. Right. You know, and you've got to live as a blessed man. Right.

I'm a blessed man, but my wife's not a blessed woman because she's married to me. But, you know, that is. Well, thanks for your time, man. You're welcome, man. God bless. All right, hey folks, three open lines, 877-207-2276, Jason from Arkansas. Welcome, you're on the air. Hey, hey Matt.

Hi. I want to ask you, what saved Noah? Was it his obedience to the gospel or to to our father, or is it just God himself saved Noah? What do you mean by saved?

Well, if he disobeyed the father in his direction to build an ark, he would have been lost, correct? So saved in what sense? Saved from the water destruction?

From the the world? From the flood? From the flood, yeah. His obedience saved him from the flood waters, yep. Uh-huh. So when we enter baptism, would you consider that obedience to the gospel? Well, wait a minute. You're quoting 1st Peter 3 21. Yes, sir. Actually referencing 3 20, but is 3 20 about salvation, or is it about being delivered through the water?

Well, Noah is, because if he disobeyed the father, he would have been lost in the world. Okay, okay, hold on. You got to focus on what I'm asking you, because often people with your position, and I don't mean disrespect, but they don't listen. They react.

Now we've got a break coming up. I'm gonna ask you a question now, see if you can answer. Is 1st Peter 3 20 about salvation from sin? That's what I want you to focus on an answer. That's a specific question.

Is it about Noah being saved from sin and eternal damnation? That's what I want to ask you when I get back, okay? Hey folks, three open lines. 877-207-2276. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, folks, welcome back. Why don't you give me a call?

877-207-2276. Let's get back to Jason. Okay, Jason, are you there?

Hello. I'm gonna give you your answer. Yes, what's your answer? I thought it's about trusting the Lord that he would flood the earth as he said he would. So basically, you know, you're trusting him that he's not gonna lie to you. So you do the will of the gospel, or do the will of the Father.

That is to build art. Would you agree? Well, you didn't answer my question. Is 1 Peter 3 20 about salvation from sin? When Noah built the ark, was that about salvation from sin? From... to Noah?

Yeah. See, Noah was justified in his faith. So he went into the ark by faith. So I'm asking you a question. I'm asking you a question. What is 1 Peter 3 20 about Noah's salvation from sin?

Is that what it's about? No, Noah was justified, right? He was justified because he had faith. Excuse me, Jason, Jason, I'm using you as an example on public radio so that people can see, or I should say hear, what it's like to dialogue with someone who has an agenda above Scripture. I'm asking you a specific question. You're helping me train people to see brainwashing, because you can't answer a simple question.

Is 1 Peter 3 20 about Noah being saved from sin? That's my question. No. No, good. That's all you had to do was say no.

All right. Now, do you believe, okay, do you believe baptism, water baptism, by immersion is necessary for salvation? By the authority of our Father Jesus Christ, yes. Not, you know, just because you do something, it's not going to grant you salvation. So you believe that water baptism by immersion is necessary for salvation, right? Those who have a good conscience, yes. Okay, so let me ask you, the Bible says, having therefore been justified by faith, Romans 5 1, do you believe we're justified by faith? Yes sir, I do. Okay, are we justified by faith when we have faith?

Yes sir. Then baptism's not necessary for salvation, is it? Because we're justified when we have faith, not when we get baptized, right? Well, you know, when Jesus was baptized, he was letting us know you're in our works and your out of expression of works are one. Okay.

That's why he was doing it. If we are justified by faith, then I'm asking you, are we justified by faith when we have faith? That's my question. Yes. So as an out of expression of faith...

Okay, Jason, Jason, so what's your answer? Is it yes, we're justified by faith when we have faith, or no? Yes, yes, we are. It's by his authority that we are. So then, is water baptism by immersion necessary if we're justified by faith? Yes, because it's an out of expression of faith. So then, it's necessary for salvation to be water baptized?

Yes, but it's not going to do you any good if you go into baptism and you don't have your inner expression and coordinates with your outer expression. Jason, Jason, if a man believes Christ and obeys Christ in the act of believing and trusting in him and dies before he is baptized in water, does he go to heaven or hell? Well, if he hasn't done the will of gospel and obeyed the Lord, it's disobeyed him. Okay, so you're saying then that he goes to hell, and yet you've also said that a person is justified when they believe. How can both of those be true if you're justified when you have faith? How can you be justified when you have faith and yet go to hell if you're not baptized? Well, the same reason God was pleased whenever Jesus baptized. He had to have an outer expression of faith to be God, to be him, to be pleased. Jason, Jason. So he would never have been pleased. He wouldn't have been baptized.

Jason, Jason, Jason, I'm asking you a question. You two, focus on the question. You've said that a person is justified when they believe. Then you said that if you don't get baptized, you're going to hell.

How is it, then? You can be both. Jason, how can you be justified before God and then also go to hell? Because your outer expression and your inner expression are one. So when you outer express your faith, you have faith, and God's going to declare you have faith by your inner expression as well. So what cult taught you this? Church of Christ? Yeah, Church of Christ. So both your inner and outer expression is in the baptism. So Jason, Jason, Jason, so let me ask you, what do you have to do to keep yourself right with God?

I mean, you got baptized. What else you got to do? The Bible says don't fall asleep or lose faith.

So that's between God and that individual. Don't lose faith. Is there anything else? He's fallen asleep, but he feels he's not going to fall asleep. Okay, is there anything else that you have to do in order to, you know, stay saved?

Just curious. Well, there's nothing that I have authority that determines what someone has to do. That's between the individual and God. God's going to know if you fall asleep in him, meaning you lose your faith. God tells you to continue your faith.

So it's between that individual and God. Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason. I ask you simple questions. You give me complex answers. I have no authority of that, though.

Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason. I'm simply asking you, is there a list of things you have to do to keep yourself right with God? Since, uh, that's it. Just keep your faith, right? Yes. Okay.

Keep the relationship with God. Okay. Okay.

But you say, though, that if you have faith, you're justified, right? Oh, yeah. Yes. Okay. Then is a justified person right before God? Yes.

Of course. Then if a justified person that's right before God dies before he's baptized, does he go to heaven or hell? Because he has not done out of expression. Does he go to heaven or hell? Does he go to heaven or hell?

Because he has not been merciful in the water and the Spirit. Does he go to heaven or hell? Does he go to heaven or hell? You had to answer the question. John 3-7.

Okay. Does he go to heaven or hell? Jason?

What's the problem with that? John 3-7. Jason, does he go to heaven or hell? He goes to hell.

Okay. So you're then contradicting yourself because you're saying that he's justified by faith, which means he's right before God, and he doesn't get baptized, and then you say he goes to hell. But yet he goes to hell while... Jason, you're saying he goes to hell even though he's justified before God. That's a contradiction.

That goes in accord with the inner expression. Okay. Jason, you're in a cult, all right?

I'm telling you. You have a false gospel. You believe in the Church of Christ idiocy.

And if some Church of Christ person out there listening to me wants to challenge me to a debate on this, let's do it. All right? Let's do it. I've debated others.

Let's do it again. But I'm going to tell you. You have a church that's teaching you a false gospel because what it's teaching you is that it's faith plus something you have to do in order to be saved. A human ceremony, even though it's ordained by God, you're saying you can't be saved unless you go get dunked in water. And incidentally, Jesus was sprinkled.

He wasn't immersed, just so you know. That's another topic. You guys in the Church of Christ don't study these things very deeply because you have an agenda, and you put the agenda before Scripture. Yeah, I know about Acts 2-38, Acts 22-16, 1 Peter 3-21, Galatians 3-27, Romans 6-4. I know about all this stuff. Okay.

I'm just saying that you guys, you add to work. And you teach you can lose your salvation because your goodness is what keeps your salvation. You do not know that? Baptism is an act of righteousness, not a word. Faith is a what? It's an act of righteousness. That's what baptism is.

What Jesus said when he fixed me baptized, I'm doing this to fulfill all righteousness. Yeah, what was he doing exactly? What was he fulfilling in the Old Testament? He's doing what his Father is commanding him to do. What was it that he was fulfilling in the Old Testament?

What was it? All. Okay, you don't know. It's fulfilling in the law. What was he fulfilling in the law? What was he specifically doing and fulfilling? For what reason was he getting baptized? Do you know? Because he was doing it as his Father. His Father is commanding him to do this. Okay, so let me help you out.

Let me help you out, Jason. He was getting baptized, which was sprinkled. And I can show that from the scripture.

Go to Numbers 8-6. The person who had to enter into the priesthood had to be 30 years of age. Jesus was 30. He had to have anointing upon him, which is the Holy Spirit, which is oil in the Old Testament.

A verbal blessing given in my Son in whom I'm well pleased, and he had to be sprinkled with water. Jesus is the high priest at the order of Melchizedek. He entered into the priesthood because of his baptism, which is what it was to fulfill all righteousness. It was an Old Testament requirement for entering into the priesthood. He fulfilled the law requirements there.

And so, according to that, he had to be sprinkled with water. Okay. Yes, sir.

So, abortion isn't the right way, is it? Hold on a second. We've got a break. I'll go a little bit after the break with him.

Folks, you want to call through the open lines at 877-207-2276. I'm looking forward to talking to him on the U.S. floor. That'll be interesting discussion afterwards. Please stay tuned, folks.

Be right back. Well, I guess Jason's gone. I want to extend that debate challenge. If anybody in the Church of Christ, I don't care who you are.

Well, I do. If you're just, you know, somebody doesn't know much, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I want to be able to debate someone who's competent and knows the issues. You know, I'd be willing to meet your best apologists for the Church of Christ to debate the issue of his water baptism by immersion necessary for salvation. That's what I want to debate, because I will call you a heretic and a preacher of a false gospel. In a polite way, I'll say, you're preaching a false gospel and you're a heretic.

And that if you die believing this false gospel, you're going to go to hell. And so will the people that you are teaching. And this is what I say to people, and it's not mean. I'm informing them. They understand that I'm not being mean.

I'm just being informative because that's the truth. Folks, we're justified by faith. We're justified by faith, not by faith in a ceremony, not by faith in something we do. It's faith in Christ.

If you're going to say that you have to be baptized in order to complete faith, then the sacrifice of Christ is not sufficient. It's that simple. Let's get to Emias from Florida. Welcome, you're on the air. Hi, Matt. We sang a song in church on Sunday that... I'm sorry, I'm going to speak up a little bit. Go ahead. Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

Go ahead. We sang a worship song in church last Sunday that's just not sitting right with me. But I'm not sure it said the lyric was Jesus became sin for us on the cross.

Yes, that's correct. Did he actually become sin? Yes, 2 Corinthians 5.21.

I'm going to read it to you, okay? He made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in him. So he, the Father, made him, Jesus, who knew no sin, to be sin on our behalf. That's 2 Corinthians 5.21, so that is correct. Not only did he pay for this, yeah, he could expand on it a little bit. So let me explain what this is talking about, okay?

Because it will help you, okay? We're not saying that Jesus became sinful. That's not what's being said. So, sin is breaking the law of God, 1 John 3.4. Sin is lawlessness. And sin, because it's breaking the law of God, is a legal debt.

Now, we have two accounts in the gospels of the prayer, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. In Matthew 6.12, it says, Jesus says, forgive us our debts. You know, forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. In Luke 11.4, it says, forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. So what is happening is Jesus is equating legal debt with sin. Legal debt with sin. Because the legal debt, forgive us our debts, is the Greek word ophilema, and the Greek word for sin is hermartia. So they're different words. So Jesus is equating sin with legal debt. Are you with me so far?

Yes. Okay, now, so Jesus never sinned, 1 Peter 2.24. But he bore our sin in his body on the cross.

1 Peter 2.24 says that, 1 Peter 2.22 says he never sinned. Okay. So how is that possible? Well, it's possible because legal debts could be transferred. Because they're legal, they're what's called an abstraction.

Love is an abstraction, it occurs in the mind. Okay, and hate is something, and thinking, and well, also a legal debt. And legal debts can be transferred. So if you have a debt to a restaurant, if I'm with you, I can pay it.

Here's a card for the cash and pay for it. So legal debts can be transferred, and this is what happened, is that our sin debt, legal debt, was imputed to Christ. To impute means a legal reckoning. So if I were to write you a check for $10, I am legally imputing to your account $10.

That's what it means to impute. Our legal sin debt was imputed to Christ. It was reckoned to his account, so to speak. And so this is why Jesus said the cross to telestai, which is John 19.30, which translated into the English is, it is finished.

Telestai has been found handwritten on some ancient tax receipts used to signify that a legal debt had been paid. So Jesus had become, under the law, Galatians 4.4. He was baptized in order to enter into the priesthood to be a high pre-sacrifice after the order of Melchizedek, Hebrews 6.20, Hebrews 7.25. He equated sin with legal debt, Matthew 6.12, Luke 11.4. So we have our sins imputed to Christ on the cross, imputed, reckoned to him.

He then died with them. That's the wages and his death, Romans 6.23. We're justified when we believe. This is the imputation of the righteousness of God himself given to us to our account. Justification is legally being declared righteous, righteous according to the law. Though you and I have both sinned, if we trust in Christ, the righteousness that is not ours, that belongs to God, is imputed to our account, is reckoned to our account, and that's Philippians 3.9.

This is why the Bible says we're justified by faith. So there's what we call double imputation. So imagine, and I do this if you can see the camera where I'm at, but your left hand's out in front of you, your right hand's next to your chest, and that's Jesus out there away from you, and your sin is next to you or you're there, and you swap positions with your hands. Your sin became his, his righteousness becomes yours.

Double imputation. The imputation of our sin goes to him, his righteousness is imputed to us. He did this, he bore our sin in his body on the cross, 1 Peter 2.22. That's why it says in 2 Corinthians 5.21, He who knew no sin became sin on our behalf, was made to be sin. Our sin was imputed to him, and that's what it means. Okay. So could I say that sin is always lawlessness, which is a debt to God? Could you repeat that?

I didn't quite understand one word. Go ahead. So is it correct to say that sin is always lawlessness?

Yes. And lawlessness is always considered a debt that we owe to God because we're... We're broke as law. Whatever the opposite of the law is. Well, you're good, just don't say the opposite of the law. You know, I said what you're saying, though, but sin is lawlessness, all sin is lawlessness, and we have sinned, so it's all a legal debt against God because it's his law we've broken.

So he forgives us, in fact. Okay. Okay. Phew, I got really worried there because it's been hard to find a good church, and I thought, oh no. Well, you did the right thing.

You called a guy named Slick on the radio, but you wanted to check, you know, and you wanted to check, and that's a good thing, but the verse is 2 Corinthians 5.21. Okay. Okay. All right.

Go check it out. Read the context. Do you have any more questions, you call me up. All right? Okay. Thank you.

And good for you checking. Good for you. All right. God bless. Okay. Okay. All right, let's get to Tim from California. Tim, welcome. You're on the air.

Hi, how's it going? Yeah, I just had a quick question. I had a quick question about losing the Holy Spirit or the possibility of losing the Holy Spirit. I know in Judges, it seems like Samson lost the Spirit. In 1 Samuel, it seems like King Saul, the Spirit departed from him. I know King David in the Psalm says, take not your Holy Spirit from me. And it seems like in Hebrews, there's some scriptures like in chapter 6 reveal them partakers of the Holy Spirit, and it's warning about it being impossible to renew them again to repentance. And my question about Ananias and Sapphira, did they partake in the Holy Spirit before they lied to the Holy Spirit? So ultimately, can you lose the Holy Spirit once you've been born again and received the Holy Spirit?

No. Okay, now the Old Testament stuff was under the Old Covenant. There's debate within Christian theological circles about the extent of the work of the Holy Spirit because he is there in the Old Testament. For example, in Job 33, the Spirit who made me and things like that. So some people wonder, because the atonement of Christ had not yet occurred, could the Holy Spirit be taken? But that would imply the idea of losing one's salvation, which doesn't make sense because Jesus retroactively bore our sin in his body on the cross, and he canceled the sin debt at the cross, Colossians 2.14. And since Hebrews 10.5 says that he will never leave us or forsake us, it doesn't make sense to say that we can lose the Holy Spirit.

So what it looks like is happening in the Old Testament is that the Spirit's presence in a blessing way upon them in an anointing is what was removed. Not that they would lose their salvation. I know there are people who might disagree, that Jesus Christ failed to do what the Father wanted him to do, because Jesus said in John 6.37-40, All the Father gives me will come to me, and when it comes to me I certainly will not cast out, for this is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all that he has given me, I lose none. So the will of the Father is that Jesus lose none. Jesus can never fail to do the will of the Father.

He can't lose anybody. As far as Hebrews 6 goes... So where does the doctrine of apostasy come in? Well, the word apostasy occurs in different places. You know, you can go to 2 Thessalonians 2, it talks about the church that falls away.

But when we talk about Hebrews 6, 4-6 and Hebrews 10-26, you have to understand that the book of Hebrews is written to the Hebrews. And it's not talking about those who are saved, because if it were, for example, in Hebrews 10-26, if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin. Well, all of us as Christians have sinned willfully, even after receiving the knowledge of the truth. We've all blown it.

And there's no qualification in there. Well, if you sinned once, you lied once. You fibbed once. You did it willingly. Well, there's no more sacrifice for sin, right? That means you lose your salvation.

No, that's not what's going on. The knowledge of the atoning work of Christ and the Messiah under the covenant requirements that God had instituted in Israel was manifested and was given. And the Jews had partaken a lot in the Holy Spirit the same way Judas had. But he was never saved to begin with, John 63-67. He was never saved to begin with, because Jesus says so. So he is someone who tasted the heavenly gift, who made partakers of the Holy Spirit. It doesn't say they were saved.

And if someone says partakers of the Holy Spirit means you were saved, show me in the Scripture where it says that. And then it says it's impossible to renew them again to repentance. Well, if they're going to say that someone loses their salvation, then they cannot be renewed again to repentance, can they? It's like saying you have one chance. You believe, and if you lose it, you can never be repented of and never come back. But then the same people will say, well, yeah, you can if you believe again.

So they're inconsistent. They don't understand what Hebrews is doing. So you're saying that the warning is there, even though it's not possible to do it? It's for the Jewish community, the Jews, the Hebrews. Okay, so you're saying that Hebrews, the book of Hebrews was written to non-believers, is that what you're saying? No, I didn't say that.

Where'd you get that? Because you were saying that they were written to the Jewish community. Are they believing Jews? Is that what you're saying in the book of Hebrews?

Hold on. The book of Hebrews is written to the Hebrew community because it's the book of Hebrews. Within that Hebrew community, there were a lot of people who had become believers. When someone's going to write a letter to a correction of a church like Galatia, and you have the book of Galatians, where they have the Judaizers there, they're believers and non-believers, how do you write a letter where you distinguish between which ones?

You write to the whole group and you say, look, if you do this, you're going to mess up. And this is what's going on with the book of Hebrews. He's telling these Hebrew people, look, you have to understand that if you confess and believe in the Lord Jesus, you're going to be saved. And Hebrews 10, 9 through 10 talks about this. But he's saying to these covenant-aware people, if you reject the only atonement, there's no more sacrifice for sin. He's giving them an instruction manual.

And then the issue of justification by faith comes. Do you want to call back tomorrow and talk more about this, Tim? Because it's important. Sure. Okay?

Yeah, I think so. All right. Hey, folks, we'll get back tomorrow. Jamie on soul sleep.

Naomi on the second coming. Tomorrow, call me back. All right, we'll talk. May the Lord bless you all, and by His grace, we'll be back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then, folks. See you then. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.