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I didn't know about that. Okay. Well. It's all taken care of It's water another bridge, and you move on so this is basically what was gonna happen You got to find out what the exact issue is sometimes though What happens is you'll say something like like I said something to recently and I had to apologize to somebody Where he gave me some information, and I mentioned something, but I didn't mean it in any non trustworthy way or you know anything like that and He said he was taken aback by that tonight. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean that I didn't know and you know I said quickly because he was offended and It's not an issue then of sin It's just an issue of well sometimes we make mistakes we goof or somebody might perceive something differently than we intended And you just move through that you say well I didn't mean it that way and I apologize and you just go forward and a gracious brother the Lord will say well, okay We're good, and you move forward. That's how it's supposed to be Because it's gonna happen both ways you know and that's how you got to do it right I mean, I know that a person who who is a follower of Christ You know when you apologize and they are accepting it then that makes all the things the more better But if they're not willing to accept it then that's on them not you, right You've done your part before the Lord right and if you have any other further questions and issues Then you take it to an elder You know an elder of a church, and you can write both sides present something and you just go with what that person says You may not may agree or may not agree within a gray area But if you've admitted you're going to go with what the person decides and you do that So make sense well.
I can honestly tell you that I did have a talk with Somebody I know that's a pastor over church, and I explained it to him and actually there was somebody else present there And I shared with them, and they said most of some of the stuff along the lines But they have also told me that they watched me grow up in the Lord And you know that they they said what's being sounds like what's being presented is is being legalistic and childish To know that other person's back would be you so that's why you gotta check it out. I mean and just see okay, okay All right, but well. I appreciate that I appreciate the insight the person. I'm thankful that you listen And I'm so I'm so very thankful to the Lord for you brother because you know you would not be doing this if the Lord Had not called you and I feel that you were a god give us a break We gotta go we got a break. Sorry play We gotta go Alright, okay, hey folks be right back after these messages, please stay tuned It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's Matt slick Welcome back everyone. We have Open lines give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six Let's get to Micah from Colorado Micah welcome here on the air Hey, man, how you doing good? All right by God's grace?
What do you have buddy good good? He got a question um? I have a job a witness that has recently called our church, and I don't know why He's trying to fill out Jehovah's time card, but he starts It just seems like he wants to talk about the grammar of the Bible. That's his ongoing statement And then then we then would go on to explain How we're not following obviously the grammar of the Bible because we believe the Trinity he would go and explain how? When Jesus says in John 3 16 that? That begotten means created Doesn't anyway he goes on and on so I don't know he doesn't know I just like to hear your thoughts on that yeah Yeah, he doesn't know what he's talking about Greek is pro ticked us and pro toktos for firstborn and first created and No Firstborn is a transferable title, and he's he's very ignorant of what goes on So let me explain something You can go to Carm and you can look at the job as a witness section and you can look up the firstborn and I'll give you information where the firstborn title is transferred and Anyway, but it says about only begotten.
Okay. This is where we're gonna focus on is only begotten means created It Can and it cannot it depending on the context okay, and so Now this is something a lot that when I tell this to the Jehovah's Witnesses They they are clueless because they haven't studied Greek and I have So one of the things we learned in the Greek class in seminary was It's been a while. I could call the salmon and ask him to refresh my memory, but a diphthong is Formed when you have two vowels that are joined together so in Greek Mono is you know, mo n o and ganao is is begat so only begat okay, so a mono only and ganao is Beget, but when you make it to past tense ganao You put an epsilon which is an e on the front of the word. We put ed on the ends of words Walked talk. Okay, but they do it on the front So the epsilon goes in the front of the word and that signifies that it's past tense. Well, that would mean mo n o e G okay ganao, right So the o and the e form they have a rule in Greek and the o and the e come together they form Something else and then and then they shorten and I was told When it says only begotten Because let me get to the Greek thing here and we'll look at this. Come on.
Where's this thing right here? That there we go. No, not all that just this. There we go. So we have the word only begotten which is From Monogones and there's could be a pun in here because when you have only and begotten and it comes together You get monogones and that's only begotten, but it also is the word for unique So there's a as a play on words here and that's the thing that looking at in the Greek But a unique day.
Here we go. And yeah, that's Hebrew. So no big deal So that's one issue in John 3 16. All right, you say mom's the only begotten means only created Here's what you do. You did it's real simple.
Here's the easiest thing to do. You say can you show me word? We're only begotten means a created Just ask them. Yeah And just ask them say well, that's what it means.
So what you say that but is that what it really means? So just ask him show me that only begotten because If the Trinity is true and if Jesus is the word made flesh then he would be called the only begotten But it wouldn't mean that he was created. So there's no logic problem here within my doctrine of the Trinity So you have to establish that the word begotten means created came into existence Now he might come back and say his uh, well, yeah his statement to come back on that typically was John 118 Oh, I got him. I love it when they do that No one has seen God at any time the only begotten God is in the blood of the Father. He has explained him No one's seen God at any time What you do is you go to Exodus 6 Verses 2 and 3 God spoke further to Moses and said to him. I am Jehovah And I appeared to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty But by my name Jehovah, I did not make myself known to them When they say out of John 1 18 and I can answer why John 1 18 says what it says the way it says it When they talk about that You go to Exodus 6 2 and 3. There's other verses you can go to as well All right, Genesis 17 1 18 1 Exodus 24 9 to 11 numbers 12 6 through 8 These are varying verses that show that God has seen but this one right here is really easy to remember Exodus 6 2 and 3 Because I ask them God spoke further to Moses I say who's speaking was a text saying I say well it was God And said I am Yahweh. Okay, so that's God identifying him by him his name Yahweh or Jehovah, right? Is it an angel? Because they say yes, you mean an angel can say I am Yahweh and Particularly when the text says it was God who's speaking who said this so who's who is it because they're gonna already have a problem Because they're gonna know about John 1 18 they might even go to John 5 for example And I'll take you to John 6 46 in a minute.
So you'll see they're gonna have a problem here And what you do is you are putting the bear traps out and they're stepping in them You just let them let them step in these things. Well, you see you can't have a contradiction. You're right We can't have a contradiction. So how so I ask him did he appears God Almighty because in Jehovah's Witness theology The mighty God is Jesus the Almighty God is Jesus the Almighty God is God the Father and there's a way to refute that out of Isaiah 10 But so it says God says my name is you know, I am Yahweh or Jehovah and I appeared to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty But by his name, he didn't make it known to them because they were they were before, you know, Exodus When Moses said it burning bush, what's your name? And he says my name is Yahweh, you know, I am that I am So you get them to say this and you get him to admit it was God who appeared to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty and then you say can you now harmonize by John 1 18 with this, please?
And you say I can I can show you how but how do you do it? And they're gonna be stuck And what you do is you take them to John 6 46 And it says this Jesus says not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God He has seen the Father And you ask them They were seeing God Almighty in the Old Testament, right? Because they're gonna have to say yes Well, who's God Almighty who's not the Father? Because Jesus says in John 6 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except the one talking about himself Because Jesus says in John 6 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except the one talking about himself So who's God Almighty?
That's not the Father And you say as a Trinitarian I have no problem with this but you have a problem please explain it to me and There you go. That is one of many things. Okay Yeah, yeah Well, I I appreciate it Matt. Thank you so much. Um um Definitely been learning a lot of listening to your show. Okay I'm glad because I want to equip the body of Christ and here's another thing go to karm and look up the plurality study And it'll have this information in it and also study.
Okay article on first corinthians one two Which is call upon the name of the lord between those two you will have ammunition that they will have a great difficulty difficult time answering. Okay, good little buddy. Thank you. Appreciate it.
All right. Hey folks be right back after these messages It's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick Hey everybody, we have some open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two two seven six Let's get to shane from utah. Shane. Welcome. You're on the air Hi, matt. How are you? Good. How are you?
Hi, uh, so Sorry, uh, so I just had a quick the last week. I was talking to some uh, some lds people and I brought up Isaiah 44 10 i'm sorry, isaiah 43 10 isaiah 44 8 in reference to them believing they that they can become god, right? Um, they pushed back on that by saying that those verses are only talking about false idols and not just other god in general How do you see that?
That okay. So what you do is you go to those verses and i'll do that right now isaiah 43 10 And um, let me share the screen so people in the screen yard can see this and uh, let's see there No, put that back in. There we go. All right All right, so you're my witnesses declares now tell them this tells Jehovah This is what it says in isaiah 43 10 because you gotta understand something in Mormon theology. Jehovah is jesus and elohim is god the father So elohim is simply the hebrew word for god and the name of god is joe And you can go to um first kings 8 60 for that. Jehovah is elohim For example, so they just they get they get it way wrong So what you do is you point out you're reading you say the word lord capital l-o-r-d.
There is just the word. Jehovah And that's fine You are my witnesses declares. Jehovah my servant whom I have chosen so that you may know and believe me I understand that I am he before me. There was no god. There was no elohim formed. There'll be none after me Now that's gonna obviously they're gonna uh, that doesn't make sense from their perspective Because how could there be no Elohim formed before jehovah since jehovah is a product of elohim from god in mormonism and his goddess wife So there's a you just show them that they're gonna be puzzled.
Okay? And then you go to isaiah 44 6 And it says this that says jehovah the king of israel is redeemer. Jehovah of hosts I'm, the first i'm the last and there is no elohim besides me. Just ask him He's just all talking about idols.
See what's he saying here? Because they they you have to tell them I understand that god here the word god in hebrew is elohim Which you say is god the father and jehovah is the name of jesus In the pre-incarnate situation here before he became a man here and born in bethlehem So that's why I do this with him. Thus you thus says jehovah the king of israel and his redeemer Jehovah of hosts I am the first and I am the last there is no elohim besides me Now let's see. Is he talking about idols?
The question there's no way it's talking about idols it makes no sense In verse eight do not tremble and do not be afraid have I not long since announced it to you and declared it You're my witnesses. Is there any? Elohim besides me Or any other rock I know of none Now who's talking? It's jehovah from verse six Is there any elohim besides me besides me Obviously this is going to be a huge problem for them do you see Are you there Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yes, I am. Okay.
Sorry. Um, yeah. Yeah. I know I uh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you And also don't forget this one isaiah 45 five Okay, I am jehovah and there is no other besides me.
There is no elohim It won't fit their theology they're going to be confused And you just politely show them this and then you've got to go to first kings 8 60 which says jehovah is elohim Okay All right, mister listen to this All right that help. All right. Yeah. Thank you Thank you. Okay, buddy. All right, man Okay, god bless. Okay Hey folks, we have four open lines. Give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven Two two seven six john from virginia. Welcome. Hello matt. Hey Hey, peace be with you and um Thanks for being a christian soldier and thank you for your service.
Praise god. Um I Would like to know if I am being heretical With respect to the trinity, uh, you're familiar with the dark matter maps, right? The dark matter issue within the the galactic formation and super clusters what? But yeah the maps that you can get out of uh, like the hubble telescope Yeah, uh-huh. I'm familiar with it dark matter dark energy. They put them out to explain the problems of of uh star clusters or galaxy clusters In formation right now, you know how that that picture looks that purple picture with like it looks like a neural neural map Yeah, well it kind of does I mean that's there's a phenomenon where you you see things that really aren't there It's a human kind of characteristic in our brain.
But but uh, yeah Right. So and 90 of the 98 of the matter of the universe is You know unknown right invisible supposedly this dark matter. Mm-hmm So to me We might be taking a look at what is illa mean god and Obviously jesus is god incarnate for us and then for me The holy spirit is that connection? connection between us and god essentially that Path that allows us to instantaneously have our prayers known You know beyond time and space no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're way off base. Sorry, but you are Okay So I need to teach you some doctrines of about god About god, so once you have the truth of who and what he is Then certain other aspects will fall into place and so the other things will fall away so we have to understand that god is The eternal being in the trinitarian sense and he has existed eternally in complete self-sufficiency without the universe ever existing so he's He's independent of the universe and not dependent on it in any way.
He's not restricted to it nor by it And he's independent of it, but he can be in it as well All right, as opposed to Finding it. We don't find him in a physical sense unless it's in the person of jesus christ That's the physical manifestation So god has a quality called aseity which is non-contingency He doesn't depend on anything in any way and This also goes with his future decisions are not based upon things. He foresees people to do then he reacts to that That violates the aseity of god in his his contingency and his attribute of all knowledge Because you can't have that.
Where does aseity come from? Uh that god is immutable. He's unchangeable Uh, that's uh malachi 3 6 and then uh, he's always been that's um, psalm 90 verse 10 2 So god does not change and he's from everlasting everlasting. He is god So that means that from the beginning he has always been And the universe is something he created and he had to be there to create it first and because of this Then the universe is subject to him and he's sovereign over it and everything in it and because he has all knowledge and all power Then every event in the universe is foreseen by god because it's what he desires to come to pass no matter what it is He works all things after the council of his will Ephesians 1 11 says this means even the death of my son when that happened or my wife's birth defect That's manifesting now or my asperger's various things Uh work according to god's will but it doesn't mean he's directly causing them and this gets another side topic It has to direct indirect causation and then what we call ultimate proximate and efficient causation. We'll get into that now But the nature of god is alters.
There's also something else you got to understand. It's called divine simplicity God is one thing he's not Something with three parts father son. Holy spirit. That is a false teaching that there's only one thing that god is God and that one thing that god is is trinitarian And then there's a doctrine called the paraker rhesus. The paraker rhesus says that each of the members of the godhead Indwell The others permeate and indwell the others so there's no separation And then you also have to understand that neither one of the persons derives their essence From the other one or two But they're complete and total in this sense forever That we have what's called Then we have what's called the economic trinity and that means that the father son.
Holy spirit have different different roles The father sent the son the father and the son send the holy spirit the holy spirit convicts and only the son became incarnate So there's differences in roles Then we have what's called the ontological trinity and that means that by the ontos the essence of the nature of their being they all share the same divine essence And so this is what we would say about the trinity and then we get covenant out of that we get all kinds of stuff out of the nature and doctrine the trinity the answering of the one many particularities and Essence and it gets more complicated And so the trinity answers basically everything When you have it as a as a philosophical logical difficult foundation And we've had a break coming up. So Tell you what think of another question or reason for this question I'll tell you what think of another question or a repeat question and now we've laid some stuff down The question was to be able to talk about that. We got a break. We got a break. Hold on. Hold on Okay, we got a break. Hey folks. We got a break, uh, four open lines.
Give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two Seven six we write that So here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go It's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick Okay, everybody welcome back to the show we have four open lines. Give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven from You know continuing along that path Yes, you should And the reason is because it hints towards what's called pantheism and panentheism Pantheism is the teaching that god is part of the universe and panentheism says that god is Within that universe as part of it. Well pantheism more accurately says god and the universe are one of the same thing Panentheism says that god is in it and interdwells it and you can discover him Because he's part of it now kind of a thing and so When you start relating the creation to god like that, you will end up in further error It just shows what's going to happen, okay But I applaud though your idea your your intent To to relate it to creation because there is another way in which the trinity does relate to creation A lot of people haven't thought of this, but god is a trinity, you know, father son, holy spirit, which is the minimal necessary logical essence That can manifest a personhood without in person impersonal attribution In in their the fullness of personality that's that's more complicated and I can back it up I can back it up, but that's another issue So time is past present and future space is height width and depth matter is solid liquid gas So we have a trinity of trinities that we live in time is past present future Space is height width and depth and matter is solid liquid and gas and so These are uh, the things that we live in and understand and experience and the fingerprints of god are made Known in creation in that sense and in that way Okay, that's almost like holographic. I can't hear you. What?
It's almost like holographic then the threes occur over and over and over again Yeah, um Yeah, but I would be reticent to say uh holographic because then you have to explain How does it mean that in holographic and what do you talk about holographic area? And just the word causes people to not understand the nuances of how that is I've discovered over the years that the simplest thing is the best To say it directly don't go beyond what scripture is if you can possibly help it Sometimes you have to ask certain questions, you know and go beyond what the scriptures directly reveal But our questions our issues must be related directly to the scripture the best we can I appreciate that. Okay. Um Is uh teach tree the best If you don't have the money to go like you have as far as uh, the software's page degree I don't know um There are a lot of good free things out there for bible stuff. One of them is e sword e s w o r d And uh, there's a lot of great stuff there so, um You can try that. Uh, if someone wants to call up and say yeah, I have peach tree.
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Appreciate it. God bless All right Well, hey folks, let's see. Um, we got a call coming in Let's get to that. And if we run the calls for the rest of the show I can read A really interesting paragraph i've been working on for months off and on on that's defining god Let's just jump onto this caller. Don't know who it is Um and where you're from? Hello, you're on the air Hello hello Hey, how you doing Doing all right You got a question Yes, sir, I do have a question, okay When will people recognize Each other in heaven like mother and son Probably yeah, I don't see why not where people were raised in the same body died in jesus was they recognized him in luke 24 After their eyes were let loose because their eyes were beheld from seeing him Um recognizing him, but yeah, we're going to be raised in the same bodies that we're dying in So yeah, we should be able to recognize each other My wife will avoid me but i'll recognize her because you know She she's done her her penance here on earth with being married to me So she'll be in a high level of heaven.
So she might remember me. I don't know if there's any trinity. We'll see Okay, well, thank you so much. Thank you so much man. All right, you're welcome so much god bless Okay Oops cut him off there. Sorry about that.
All right. Let me uh, let me read you guys something out there in radio land I'm going to read something. Uh, i've been working on this definition of god The reason i've been doing this is because when I debate atheists and they want to attack the christian god I said you don't even understand the christian god. So I started working on something I can say here Here you go study this And uh, it's going to take a bit for me to go through it. So here we go I'm still perfecting it.
I'm still polishing it Perfect. There is only one god the christian god who is the one and only necessary Trinitarian being eternally consisting of three Simultaneous and distinct persons the father the son and holy spirit Now just that statement right there removes mormonism johovah's witnesses, uh One is pentecostal it invalidates all of those And it goes on the three persons are co-substantial That means there's their essence is one of the same Neither person derives his substance From either or both of the others. They don't they're not dependent upon each other for their existence They just are the three persons are The trinity is spiritual in nature is non-contingent is unchanging and is transcendent Transcendence means it is not dependent upon the physical universe for its existence The trinity does not depend on the physical universe or our time reference or our physical reference For truth values or god's existence or anything. He's not limited to the physical realm or The realm of time he transcends them all so he's transcendent And he's sovereign and this means that he has the right and capability Of doing whatever he desires with his creation And it goes on god has nothing against which he can be compared and defined now, that's an important statement Because there's no other standard by which you can say. Well, this is what god ought to be like or this is what god ought not to be like because there's no standard by which you can raise to the level of god and say here's what we compare him to It's an impossibility So god has nothing against which he can be compared and defined There is no condition in which the christian god might exist or could not exist since that would not be the god of the bible So sometimes atheists will say to me imagine that your god doesn't exist.
I say I can't do that That would not be the christian god It's like saying imagine the circle is not a circle You're being ridiculous now Imagine that the christian god doesn't exist No, then it wouldn't be the christian god because the christian god by necessity exists and has always existed and cannot not exist It's like saying so imagine your christian god isn't your christian god That's what they're saying Okay, so god is self-revealed All right, and he does this in different ways. We'll get to that God's incommunicable attributes stress his transcendence and his communicable attributes stress stress his eminence So the incommunicable attributes mean those things that belong to god alone like his all-knowing his ever-presence We cannot experience those so they cannot be communicated to us. Well those attributes demonstrate and stress his transcendence Okay and the communicable attributes demonstrate or Demonstrate or stress his eminence. So communicable attributes is he thinks we can think he loves we can love And so the things that we possess we possess as persons Personhood which is a communicable attribute of god's essence as he creates in us But this stress these communicable attributes stress his eminence Which means his relationship in and with and through and his providence within creation God is neither included in space nor absent from it The trinitarian god is the ultimate source of all truths all actualities and all potentialities In the trinity are unity and diversity which are equally basic and mutually dependent upon One another now that would take some explaining to do.
I just I want to get to the end of this paragraph here God created the universe as well as people he does whatever he pleases He does whatever he pleases and ordains all that occurs He possesses infinite knowledge wisdom presence and power that manifests out of his good and holy nature That which is good is revealed by god's nature, which is consistent with his holiness He has revealed himself in creation scripture and jesus So this is the paragraph i'm working on and i'll continue to to polish it and rearrange a couple things that are more coherent in their flow Let me get back to one thing here where I said in the trinity our unity and diversity which are equally basic and Mutually dependent upon one another what the heck does that mean? Well If you have 10 chairs in your house You recognize that they're all chairs. They're particular instances of chairness There's a quality and an essence of what a chair is and we see particular instances So we have the many which is 10 chairs. We have the one which is chairness How does the one relate to the many? How does the essence of one?
chairness the essence is one thing relate to And exemplify inside of the particulars called individual chairs Furthermore, how are those particular particularities interrelate with one another these are the questions that philosophers get into In the trinity, however, we have unity as well as diversity We have the one and the many inside the nature of the trinity because god is one being with a diversity of persons in three persons So this is the trinity is the necessary background background the necessary foundation for intelligibility by which we could then explain this issue of which is a huge Philosophical issue of the nature and essence of reality around us and with the trinity We can explain it we can relate to particulars and individual aspects and Universals, I know I put a lot of them over your head. That's just the way it is. Sometimes We're out of time can't get into it. May the lord bless you I hope you all have a great weekend and by his grace go back on the air on monday Hey, we'll talk to you then god bless everybody Bye another program powered by the truth network
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