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The following program is recorded content created by Truth over­152 of N dollars seventy five cents out of new work and uh... all-inclusive we're gonna have a great time oh yeah and also archaeologists joel kramer will be with the group now you may not think that's a big deal but it is uh... joel kramer is a fantastic archaeologist and he will say things he don't even know about uh... it is what he did when we were on the trip before it's like what really and maybe he'll take us up to kumon cave one where the dead sea scrolls were um... discovered we went to a jericho and stood on the walls of jericho that fell and he was showing us see this right here and uh... it was really great it was really entertaining really uh... insightful so go to website karmeisrael dot com and you can register there it's easy to do and uh... even and so this is what eric said he goes even i could figure it out so if i could figure it out i mean it's either talking about him or me so he's taking a shot at me which i think is probably apropos and uh... there you go anyway today's elastic this would be the heads up on that let's get to the call that would be the number of eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six let's get the gabriel from georgia gabriel welcome you're on the air it may have been doing i'm doing alright man hanging in there by god's grace where you go buddy it did come to about what you know i call it like that on thirty twenty people at one uh... talking about the debate that i have coming up and it's going to be this sunday uh... and i just wanted to uh... you know piggy brainy on a few things uh... number one dealing with uh... first corinthians chapter twelve i don't know if you remember but i'm coming from the perspective that you know that doesn't speak outside of scripture that's the debate that god doesn't want to use but it's not doesn't speak out about it but i'm holding too the doctrine of this efficiency of scripture okay let me ask you a question about that because can god here's a question put an unction or uh... a premonition in your heart about uh... doing something or can he speak via the charismatic gifts we think now you say uh... i would say on the uh... uh... i would say yes yes i'm i agree and i think god can put impressions on our heart we could be very careful about that and not that it's in scripture rated and uh... can god cause someone to speak in a language seen a missionary context so i would say yes because the bible says in first corinthians one seven that we're not to lack any charisma any charismatic gift while we're waiting for the return of christ in first corinthians fourteen there's the issue of the charismatic gifts that are being used in the church now here's the defense you can give because i've debated this publicly and formally uh... that uh... the charismatic gifts are for today but they do not violate the sufficiency of scripture because there are certain kinds of things that come from god prophecy interpretation of tongues tongues and things like that in first corinthians fourteen that were right there and yet we're not in scripture rated so it does not need to violate because a lot of times the cessation is what they're going to say is that if you have any any um... any opinion or any view that the charismatic gifts uh... are for today then it violates the sufficiency of scripture well no it doesn't because first corinthians fourteen uh... is where the gifts were being manifested and it didn't uh... the description there at all from the sufficiency of c c point you'd be prepared for all those angles we do a debate right right right yeah yeah not i can't get my part point like right now cleverly building milk make or document reputation things of that nature uh... right thanks for that uh... article i want one of the things you know i'm probably quite helpful people uh... all of the comments are right so when i was uh... approaching this topic you know i was thinking that uh... probably shouldn't take the route that this may sound heretical but just hear me out that you know if the bible is the word to god because those people who hold to the idea that god does speak outside of the word they would say that the bible is the word and so i was thinking maybe i should have my approach where like the scriptures point to christ and that through christ this is how god communicates to us and that because he's the media right in the word and uh... i was studying and i was looking at uh... real quick right here in front of me uh... so yeah first john it talks about how you know jesus being the word you know with god all that first john one and then you know john he also writes in john chapter five that uh... jesus said that the scripture bear witness to him so i was going to say that you know so i was going to say that you know john and luke confirms this that you know john had the revelation that jesus was god and that jesus was going to always be the mediator or the means of you know commitment to god in communication and that the scripture points us to christ and that this is the reason why god let me help you out this is the reason why god here's the thing the scriptures are the final authority in everything it addresses if you hold to that position which is what i hold to which is the biblical view that it is a final authority nothing is equal to it not words of wisdom not word of knowledge not prophecy not sacred tradition nothing the scriptures are the only thing that said to be inspired the written word the graph is theopneustos second timothy three sixteen so that's what i would go with and uh... you know first christians one seven says the charismatic gifts are for today that's my position so in light of that what i would suggest is that you formulate out an articulation about your position that demonstrates that you still hold to the sufficiency and authority of scripture while it is that you are uh... also affirming that uh... you know the gives her for a day if that's your position yeah what okay i got to the fact that not to do it i just want to make sure that you know christ is being glorified and you know i i guess is based off you know what i've been researching uh... i believe that you know if you sit back and say that you know you know your profit or things of that nature it's like man like all right if this is true then what do you do with christ like you know if he's a mediator and you know if he's our savior you know it hebron's one uh... one and two says that you know in the past that you know has spoken to the fathers through the prophet but now he's spoken to his sons like what do you do with christ you know well okay you need to do this to do a debate on this you to write out your topic and then questions that you ask and then yes and no responses of those questions and written responses to those yeses and no when i do a debate properties a topic like is the bible the word of the is the bible the final authority and that's my you know and i'm do the affirmative yes and i write up my reasons i often do it in an outline form and expand on those reasons as i'm going through my opening statement women who do is look on the web for people who have counter arguments i'm gonna go through those counter arguments and list them out and then give quick responses to them so that my opponent were to address those kinds of counter arguments i would already have a counter argument for that this is a part of what it means to be prepared okay was what you do not want to be a really helps outlines are great okay but i think you're in town all right buddy god bless let me know how it goes all right hey folks four open lines if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six i'm a little interested if anybody watched the uh... my bible study last night i put online it took quite a bit of doing that online uh... if you liked it and if you thought it was interesting i'm just kind of curious for some feedback let's get you peggy from raleigh north carolina piggy welcome you're on the air hey how are you i'm good how are you i'm doing well thank you uh... my question is is that well i would like to know what did jesus do after the cross and before the resurrection sunday well i was confused about did he go to hell and if he did what did he do there and i didn't think he did but then this uh... easter seemed to me like it kinda opened the question of what did he do all right there's a different views and i'll tell you what he did not do he did not go to hell and suffer in hell and finish the atonement in hell this is a damnable heresy that's taught by uh... joist meyer that's taught by kenneth copeland and others it's a false doctrine and anyone who teaches it cannot be considered to be a christian it is that bad of a doctrine because it denies the sufficiency of the atoning work on the cross where jesus says in john nineteen thirty it is finished he didn't go to hell and finish the atonement in hell as some people say damnable heresy which means it is if you hold it it deals with the issue of of forfeiting not you can't lose your salvation uh... you don't have salvation is damnable results in this is that serious all right so aside from that what did he do there's different theories about it and um... i'll give you the one that that i hold to it's not i'm not saying it's is the right one i'm saying this is what i mainly hold to but i wouldn't debate this and dine on a hill for this it appears to be christ did is during that time when uh... before his death and resurrection uh... there's some it looks like he went and made proclamation of the spirits in prison because it says in first peter three eighteen that uh... christ also died for sins once for all and uh... having been put to the death put to death in the flesh made alive in the spirit in which also he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison and so proclamation does not mean preach in the gospel because it's not at the greek word of carousel to proclaim so it looks like that this is something he did now also and i could tie this together and made the breaks coming up here in uh... first christmas communique luke sixteen nineteen to thirty one jesus talks about the uh... rich man in lazarus lasers rich man and they both died and went to abraham's bosom this is before the crucifixion resurrection we get back to the break hey folks we right back after these messages we have four open lines i want to hear from you please give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six uh... that's like live taking a call seven seven two zero seven two two seven six is max everybody welcome to the show going to be called for open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six and uh... let's see let's get back to peggy from raleigh you still there i am all right so as i was saying before the break there's a passage in luke sixteen nineteen to thirty one where jesus talks about lazarus and rich man they both die they go to abraham's bosom and uh... well actually uh... lazarus went to abraham's bosom and uh... the rich man which tradition says is divies that's his name but whatever went to uh... hades and he went to a place of judgment and he would they were live in conscience conscious after so it looks like that was a place that people went to before the crucifixion and that they went to a holding place there the reason i'm bringing this up is because of what it says in a fission chapter four it says in first aid therefore it says when he ascended on high he led captive a host of captives and he gave gifts to men so some commentators i can lean this way too relate this to jesus descending in the lower parts of the earth it says now this explanation he ascended what does it mean except that he has also descended into the lower parts of the earth and then it's talking about that he ascended into heaven but he led captive a host of captives so they think that what jesus might have done during at the time of his crucifixion and his resurrection is to have gone down uh... into the place which some people think might literally be inside the earth and something you know down is a metaphor but uh... into the grave into that place of of uh... pain and suffering and also in the in the compartment of the good so he he proclaimed to the spirits in prison at a first to peter three eighteen nineteen this is who i am this is what i've done it doesn't mean they're gonna get saved it's just a proclamation of why they're in this place of judgment and then he ascended into heaven with those who died in the faith before the crucifixion of christ had occurred because they couldn't go into heaven until the blood of the offering had been offered on the altar and so then after it had been offered he went to to uh... talk to them and bring them up into heaven and then came back and then and and was resurrected as a physical body it's that's that's where i go and that's where i hold to is that where the catholics maybe get purgatory uh... i think i've heard them use that phrase at logic but no they do different uh... you know that you're burned by fire you do things out of i forgot where it is but uh... they get purgatory out of uh... basically thin air and a little tradition mixed with some unbiblical teachings and ideas and then they put it in there and they they uh... they do stuff like that so that's where they get that they don't get out of scripture it's not there okay well i mean i didn't believe in purgatory but i want them beneath you know things so if you're not in hell then you're somewhere yeah and and the roman catholic church what it has done since you brought it up is uh... it has introduced so many false doctrines into the what they call the true christian corpus of talk of the doctrine teaching they have brought so much in because of one error they have not held the word of god in the final place of authority because of that alone then they're opening themselves up to all kinds of other deceptions and any group that says that the bible is not the final word whether the bible's been corrupted or whatever they always are opening themselves up to demonic teaching that's just how it goes and this is the case with mormonism with johovah's witnesses with uh... eastern orthodox with roman catholicism uh... with uh... christian science with islam because they're gonna say that god's word is not trustworthy in and of itself to be the final authority because think about it if god came down there's a bunch of people in a room talking about theology and god himself opened up the heavens and said this is what this doctrine is right there nobody could argue against it that's the final authority but if that were to be the case and fifty people out of a hundred wrote down exactly what the lord said and it was authentic it was right there and five hundred years later a church says well our tradition about what happened is equal to what they wrote that would be the foolishness of man's tradition which is humanistic philosophy when i do have one girlfriend who was raised a roman catholic and for some reason she walked into our church five or six years ago and someone asked her hi you know are you saved and she goes saved from what and it started her her walk into learning about god and being and being saved so it's just that's a really neat story that i have but notice notice it's so revelatory what you just said she goes into a christian church and they ask are you saved? saved from what?

in other words she didn't get it the information from the catholic church because in catholicism salvation is dependent upon your commitment to the church and your participation in the church rituals it is a false religion absolutely false religion i think she knows that she knows that now hopefully she found salvation in jesus not salvation in some church structure no no no it was just really wonderful to see her grow as a person and to accept Jesus well praise god okay well thank you so much for talking to me i'm sure you don't get the whole thing about jesus in the days but it opens a door where i can start looking for more are there any words i should look like up in my i think i have that it's called a strong or something is there something where i could look up that would help me get a broader view uh... well not really because because i could give you words but then you have to go look through all kinds of stuff uh... what i would do i recommend you do is go to karm and look up what did jesus do during the three days and uh... i can do that i've been there before i haven't stayed there long but i checked you out one time just to make sure it was on the web and that i could look at it so i appreciate it i'm looking for the article i don't see an article uh... i thought i'd written something like that three days let's see three days well jesus was dead let's see if i can find it from that uh... because i've gone over this so many times and there are different views look at that i don't even i don't see it coming up wow well that's an issue i know i've written on it so we'll get to see about that but uh... where did jesus go after he died before the resurrection that's the there it is and uh... charlie found it charlie helps out and um... you often find stuff on your website so where did jesus go after he died that would be it where did jesus go alright thank you so much i hope you have a good weekend you too thank you alright god bless alright folks if you want to give me a call we have four wide open lines 877 two zero seven two two seven six alright alright alright i don't know who's calling or what about but if you guys have questions about roman catholicism you don't want to tell you something uh... i do not like roman catholicism because of doctrine because uh... on the next catholic i wasn't because i got beat up by catholics nothing like that ever purely an issue of doctrine and what the roman catholic church teaches and it's heretical hey three open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six it's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's matt slick everybody welcome back to the show alright uh... two open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six let's get to somebody from somewhere hey you're on the air maybe just deadline or something let me just put it on hold i heard something there are you there hello okay let's go over here then nancy from chapel hill north carolina nancy welcome you're on the air yeah hi i have two questions okay kinda related one i was raised catholic and now i do see error in it should i say uh... but now i'm uh... joined a church that's evangelical presbyterian and i really see how the pastor really tries to follow biblically uh... but i have a question uh... one of the questions is that they do allow uh... women to be elders and i thought in the the bible it says that women shouldn't be elder you're correct they should not be elders and then um... the other thing is out of you know you mention all the religions that really are false religions which one do you find that you think follow well i would say that i'm presbyterian so i hold i think presbyterianism is most biblical but i've got friends who would say well no the uh... southern baptist would be the most biblical and and they're like really close except there's just a couple of variations like like like do the cares about it gives work or kind of not or infant baptism not for salvation but for covenant there's just these variations so um... it would just depend on on a few things what some people would think would be the best view and so uh... you know i've got a friend andrew rapaport and he would say that uh... that his baptist uh... perspective is a little more accurate than my presbyterian one you know i would say i would say well mine's a little more perspective but you see it's just a debatable issue but uh... we both would agree that reform theology represents christian theology better but then there are those who say no it doesn't so uh... i would be glad to argue with them about it in a polite way and say you know like an armenian say no let's go you know let's see if it which is biblical but uh... and i do have these debates uh... let's just say that uh... the other side doesn't do that well because uh... that you know the scriptures which says here so this is my opinion yeah so uh... but you know okay so there are very variations are not trying to say what i believe is always the best of them at the wrong in some areas now but uh... generally presbyterianism is good and baptist theology but it's a sixty nine confession that this confession is good and it's about that but i i do find that my path bank that he's really but on it you know going to be able to play but uh... wait is he the one is your the same pastor the one who holds women pastors women elders is he the same way they do have some elders that are have women elders and go ask why i had a question yeah he should not do that he's blowing it he flat out is and uh... uh... you can go to carm and you can look up should women be uh... pastors and elders and you can print up the article and you can take it to him and in my opinion my opinion this is my opinion my opinion that anybody who attends a church where the pastor affirmed women pastors and elders my opinion is you shouldn't go because if they can't get that right when the clear teaching of scripture is right there what else are they going to get wrong and that's my opinion and if you stay in the church okay that's between you and god but uh... that's just my opinion i i believe in fidelity of the scripture and i don't want to support ministry that doesn't hold to the same biblical position and something that's clearly taught because Paul says i don't allow this to occur he says and elders must be anarmeis gunenkas a man of one woman that's what he says so how is it that they can get to the contrary it blows me away well deborah was you know she's an authority in the old testament is the old testament the new testament no is deborah a judge or was she an elder oh she's a judge cause he's not an elder so it doesn't apply does it they can't think these things through because uh... they don't have um... because they submit the word of god to their opinions and their ideas and this is why they are in error and i would gladly say if you're a pastor and you're out there and you're an elder and you believe that women can be pastors and elders you are wrong and i'd be glad to debate you on it publicly from scripture and you need to repent and uh... you need to repent and you need to hold to the truth of god's word that's what i would tell people and that's what i tell them right now and again here goes again i'll offer it again anybody wants to debate me on this publicly a public debate with a moderator timed we can arrange a public debate does the bible support women pastors and elders yes or no and uh... that would be the debate topic and i've offered this many times over the years i never get to anybody accepting it because they know let's go to scriptures what are they going to do okay thank you you're welcome i appreciate that a lot you have a blessed day you too thank you very much already some time on the duo one bible bible for them on thursday night to mike i might uh... go into depth of why this is a critical issue because it is it with us get to tracy from rolling north carolina tracy welcome you're on the air i don't mind acting here yes i can yes i can how are you doing i have a question regarding uh... these are scripture i've read right randy and captain and her or first print every day in the e f e parenting and you look at it in the e f p for him yes i can for tonight fourteen it says uh... in the same way the lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel uh... different meaning for the work of playing like this like uh... there's a cap a lot of there uh... all these different type of love that it still out it there uh... different but the word claim it's cut it's uh... cutting galo and uh... that means there to proclaim and caruso can also mean to kind of proclaim and to uh... to do that as well as going to be a the cost message but um... cutting galo uh... and it just means to announce proclaim to sense of love to celebrate to declare to declare paint plainly openly that's what it means and so uh... there's similar words to it okay archer so my question for you is based on that at that day you uh... playing at that you're not going to earn your living by the cap at that pertaining to creature sorry or is that pertaining everyone because everyone is supposed to proclaim the cap all right and there you go and john you can't go out there at that point well uh... delivered to those who proclaim the gospel it's talking about those who make their their their living because it's in context of living from the gospel that means that that's what they're doing the whole time is not talking about uh... you know a mom who's at home uh... change in diapers and on the getting that day that's awesome responsibility in ministry and uh... she goes to a mom a mom's group uh... his unbelievers there and once a month or so and on average you she tells people the gospel that's not the same thing as those who get their living from the gospel who go out and do that because the context says if others share your right over you uh... hunt you know uh... do we not more nevertheless we did not use this right he's talking about the context actually back up even further he says in verse nine it is written the law of moses you shall not muzzle the ox while he's threshing god is not concerned but oxen is he of course he is or is he speaking together uh... altogether for our sake yes for our sake is written because the plowman ought to plow in hope and the thresher to thresh and hope of sharing the crops if we sowed spiritual things to you you get a reward for the work that you're doing right yes and if you're getting a reward for the work that you're doing well yes but the context here about making a living from what you do if you are a carpenter you make a living from carpentry proclaiming the gospel uh... so you know for me as an example of the next pastor seminary graduate while make my living from proclaiming the gospel defending the gospel uh... on the internet and so this perfectly fine to be able to do that at first it is nine fourteen so that's not everyone's job no it's not everyone yeah yeah it's not everyone because you know not everyone is doing this full-time that's a context we got a break hold on and we'll get back to it some more okay because we've got more here to talk about hey folks we'll be right back after these messages we have three open lines so why don't you be called. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276 here's Matt Slick Welcome back to the show let's get back to Tracy from Raleigh are you still there? yep I'm still here all right now what I want to do earlier was.

Can you hear me okay? yes I can but I want to read the context and I didn't get to the final verse I want to read before fourteen which is verse thirteen because Paul says do you not know that those who perform sacred service eat the food of the temple and those who attend regularly to the altar have their share from the altar the context is that those who work at that ministry or at that service are to get their living from what it is they do okay that's the context okay how did I miss that? well it's what it says right there you know just the context all right well thank you so much I do appreciate it okay you have a great day sir you too thanks all right let's get to Adam from Utah, Adam welcome you're on the air hi Matt thank you very much I had a question actually heard by the last call and it had to do with the nomination I've been listening to you for years and years I actually never realized that you were a Presbyterian so that's kind of what threw me into giving you a call today I guess my question really is why would a born-again Christian today claim a denomination and I guess the context would be even Paul where he I mean he was a messianic Jew but he was also the preacher unto all men you know really he just he told the Romans what they needed to hear so in a way he was kind of so I wanted to know your opinion on that well it's just shorthand you know what church you go to I go to Presbyterian Church oh you hold Presbyterianism yes and then we know what they teach we know that where they're at oh you're Baptist oh you're a dispensationalist yes okay now I know where you're at and that's all it is just tools and you know what kind of a doctor are you okay go ahead well I've said to people before that have asked me I've even gone as far as the claims being a messianic Jew based on the promise that I'm an adopted heir so it really kind of depends on who I'm talking to and who I'm trying to reach or share the gospel with that I I don't know I just don't focus on a denomination and I don't really feel like we have examples of that in the Bible either I know it wasn't present you were either a believer or not and I'm proud not to be goyim I'm proud not to be part of the world but I'm an adopted heir so you have anything like is there anything wrong or do you have any sort of opinion that might deter me from claiming being a messianic Jew?

no you can say that it's just it's just helpful it's a shorthand term it's like are you Trinitarian or not Trinitarian you should be Trinitarian okay but the word Trinity is not in the Bible well there's nothing wrong with having words that describe where we're from because they're shortened that's what we do some people say no we're not supposed to have any denominations well for the most part I can see the argument but what we do realize is that Romans chapter 14 1-12 says we have differences of opinion on debatable issues in those differences of opinion on debatable issues we have denominations and that's fair we should not judge one another we should understand that when I was young I met God when I was very young and I went to a pentecostal church a happy jumping clapping singing you know the pentecostal and it was actually an assembly of God and I was blessed enough to have God just reach out to me and tell me the fallacy like there was legalism and things like that so I I don't claim that religion even though I was baptized at Pentecostal okay I like being a happy jumping clapping Christian I love singing to my God and worshiping so I worship like a a pentecostal and I preach like a southern Baptist and I you know what I mean it's kind of rounded and I'm I'm hoping that that's not a bad approach no it's not a bad approach you don't have to worry about it alright it's okay it's fine alright well and Matt thank you very much I'm looking forward to you writing your second book I love the influence oh the influence your novel yeah yeah I've written three novels and someone wants me to write a second one to my sci-fi novel someone wants me to write a second one to atheistica and then of course people want the second from the influence series but yeah I just at the end of the next one I'm gonna buy and yeah if you like sci-fi check out my sci-fi novel called Time Trap but anyway alright well thank you very much I appreciate your time you're welcome very much God bless alright okay let's see next longest waiting is Greg from North Carolina Greg welcome you're on the air hey how you doing I was just wondering what's your knowledge of the disciple of Christ church like first Christian churches so and so first Christian you know what I'm talking about yes I don't know of anything heretical in the group it's not something that's come up I don't know if they teach you can lose your salvation or not that's one of the things that I would be interested in knowing but they are Trinitarian they believe in in baptism and I believe they are Trinitarian let's see I'm looking at a looking at a certain thing I don't see a thing on Trinity being first Christian Church disciples of Christ has no creed when people say that it's just ridiculous they have no creed yes you do to say you don't have a creed is a creed we have no creed our creed is no creed because they don't want to have a creed but then they list their belief which is a creed any rate so the only thing I don't see is a statement on the Trinity and that's a warning flag for me so I just don't know what it is that they teach on that when I look at other let's see yeah and what about their views on baptism I thought they believed that you had to be baptized in order to be saved if they teach that that would be a false doctrine but I don't see that and I don't see I'm looking at their stuff on their sites and things like that and as the more I look at it it signifies a cleansing of sin the individual's responsibility and acceptance of the faith so they're not saying it is necessary for salvation and they should it doesn't mention the doctrine of the Trinity and it should it should mention justification salvation it does not so oh the Trinity here we go disciples Christ professed God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit in their confession he baptized in the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit well that's good just members are allowed the freedom to of opinion on this and other doctrines what now that's bad church members are allowed freedom of opinion on this no there should be no freedom of opinion on doctrine of the Trinity the Trinity is true and you should be baptized in the name of the Father and Holy Spirit so for them to say that that's that's a sign of weakness on their part and so yeah that's a yeah yeah there's a few minor warning flags coming up and I'd like to find an official church of Christ I mean church of disciples of Christ pastor they can call me up we can have a discussion on what they actually teach some very critical issues unfortunately when I go to some denominational web pages on their doctrinal statements they're not very clear they're written in such a way that there's it seems sometimes a purposeful ambiguity so they don't offend anybody but what a good statement of faith should contain is affirmations and denials we affirm the doctrine of the Trinity we deny he's modal or whatever we affirm Jesus Christ as God in flesh we deny he's a created thing they should have affirmations and denials for clarity because this is very important and they should on salvation I don't see anything on salvation and it doesn't say how salvation is. Is it by faith alone in Christ alone? Well the reason I'm asking is because when I first got saved I was attending a disciples of Christ church out in Las Vegas and then a buddy of mine told me that they believed he had to be baptized and he had to be saved so I went to a disciples of Christ church here locally where I'm at at one time and I was talking to him and I said I tried to discuss with them about the that and they said I said well I kind of was in an argument or discussion like what you would be in a discussion like they will well how many times do you have to be baptized? What distinguishes being baptized? And they said well you have to go to the pastor to find out what distinguishes to be baptized. Yeah that's a problem. Yeah it's a problem and they need to be more far more coherent and one thing I just saw this one website I was looking at while we're talking it says faith in Christ is the only requirement for salvation so that's good. But yeah I'd like to you know if they need to do affirmations and denials. Okay my statement of faith and harm is very clear and it should be very clear on every website. Anyway okay?

Alright thanks. Alright now God bless. Alright let's get to Brittany from Salt Lake City Utah. Brittany welcome you're on the air. Hello. Hello how are you?

Hi Matt. Good how are you? Fine. Fine.

So what do you got? Good. So I'm calling you because I would like to hear your salvation story.

Okay. I've got a couple three minutes so I'll just try and do it briefly and to the point so I was not raised as a Christian mom and dad didn't really go to church you know and they kinda sent me to Sunday school and then in high school I was an agnostic mixed up in the occult and other various sinful things that young men get into at that age and then I went to a church only because someone invited me about a film and I went and learned and the pastor said who wouldn't mind knowing more about Jesus want to raise my hand? You know I'm a researcher even back then I you know I liked all the tough classes in high school and everything and I wouldn't mind knowing more and they said good come forward you know like I don't want to do that but a bunch of people raise their hands so I went forward and I still remember looking at the exit wanting to leave but they said hey get down on your knees.

What? And some guy with a big Bible stood in front of me and we knelt down together and he started talking to me and I remember thinking I just need to get out of here and because this is ridiculous and there's a bunch of people like other suckers who raised their hands and went up forward and I said I might as well listen to this guy because it's not going to hurt me to be here for a few minutes and he started talking to me and I really wasn't listening and then people started crying to my right the far end of this line and I went oh no and then you know so he said you want to receive Christ as your Savior and I thought well I might as well give him a try and I might as well be sincere I only have a minute left so I'm going to rush through it. So I started praying and all I can tell you is the Holy Spirit himself came over me with such power that I instantly was reduced to a sobbing mass of tears in the presence of incredible holiness I thrust my face to the ground to the carpet wailing in agony of the filth that was my heart in the light of incredible purity and without a doubt I knew I was a sinner and that God was there in his purity and it was just a fact and then to my left I sensed I don't know how but I just sensed the awareness of Christ himself there and I was aware of his presence, I was aware of his attention, I was aware of his concern and he for lack of a better term stepped into me I felt my sin leave and I was changed Thank you so much Matt, praise God, thank you so much for sharing You're welcome Brittany, God bless Hey folks sorry about that Michael from Utah, we'll get back to you Monday if you want to give me a call on March 6th. May the Lord bless you all and by his grace we'll be back on here on Monday and we'll talk to you then. Have a great weekend folks. God bless, bye. another program powered by the Truth Network