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I'm working on an interesting article. There's been something I've been thinking about for a long time. We had a caller.

Maybe it was Monday or Friday. I'm not sure. Why is God a Trinity? This is what I've been working on for a while. I've got this article right in front of me. I'm looking at it on my screen.

You can't see it because it's not released yet on the CARM website. I've been wondering about this for a long time. Why is God not one person? Why isn't he two persons? Why isn't he four or more? Why is he three?

Now, I know that God is a Trinity, but I have wondered why is God a Trinity? I'm going to continue to work on this and write it by a couple of friends of mine who I think are logically, philosophically, biblically minded enough to be able to interact with me on this a little bit. I'm going to release this article hopefully tomorrow, next day, next day, whatever. Maybe we can discuss it then. I think that it's important. I was talking to some Muslim last night on a chat room area.

I ran some of the ideas around. It doesn't work quite as well with the Muslim because of the lack of the scripture in the Quran which says that we're made in God's image. It does say that in the Bible.

That carries certain requirements with it, communicable attributes, non-communicable. I was talking to a Muslim about his view of God. There's a word, and I've known the word, then I forgot it, then I knew it again, then I forgot it again.

It's not taweed. It's something. Where it means that the God of Islam is so wholly, completely different than us that he's basically unknowable. I'm trying to find information about that so I can work from that because I think it's a weakness inside of Islam. That's another topic, but nevertheless, for now, I'm working on this article, Why is God a Trinity? I'm going through a bit of a technical article in some aspects, going through Trinitarianism, introducing the idea of abstractions and physical requirements and properties and things like this, doing it slowly, doing a little bit at a time so that through the article, by the time a person gets through it, if they're still interested and their eyes haven't rolled up in the back of their skull, then they might have a better understanding of why God's a Trinity.

I think it has to do with the aspects of personhood and free will. Hopefully I brought those out in the article, but I'm just talking. I'm just talking. Anyway, if you want to give me a call, 877-20-722-76. Let's get to Jeff from Michigan. Jeff, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How are you doing? I'm doing all right. Hang on in there. Oh, I got feedback. I can hear myself. I think I went away now. Okay. All right.

So what do you got? Hey, I was working for a customer. He's a retired older lady. He told me he was a socialist leftist, basically Bernie Sanders supporter. And you know, just in the course of the conversation, I found that out. And I just wondered what your take is on what should inform my attitude in a conversation with a person such as this, you know, as a Christian. I mean, what thought should be sort of in the background of my mind as I approach, you know, her belief system, her. Okay. So what you always do is ask the person who affirms something to define it.

Always do that. I remember back a little bit ago when Trump was running for office, Bernie the leftist wacko Sanders was promoting socialism. And in downtown Boise, I live here in Boise, Idaho area. Uh, these two, uh, people is this guy and a girl we're promoting for Bernie Sanders. It was, you know, and the whole bit. And, and I said, so you, you believe in, in, in socialism? I said, yes. And I said, can you tell me what it is? And they stared at me like a deer in headlights. I said, do you know what socialism is?

And they did. I said, go ahead. Since you are advocating it, tell me what it is. Define it. Explain to me how it works economically.

Explain how it works with the rights and property. They did. It had nothing to say. And I said, let me get this straight. You don't even know what it is you're promoting. You're just swallowing whatever the news media wants you to chew and, and, uh, and swallow and just participate. Right. And I said, you guys are shameful.

And I walked away, you know, they didn't have an answer. So this is the thing. What is socialism? It's a political and social system in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social and centralized government control. So it's a, it's a, um, it's a political social system where the distribution, the means of production and distribution are controlled by the government or centralized when it's controlled by the government completely. That's communism when it's centralized in government increase of government control. That's socialism.

So socialism is just communism light. The problem with central with, uh, with, uh, socialism is that, um, bureaucracies become notoriously inefficient because of the interdependence of the bureaucratic system of people who are trying to cover their own rears. And since they can't know the sufficient means of, of caring for individuals, they have to pass laws that govern all people all at once. So such things as when you'd have gun control, we need to tax everybody, social, uh, social security. These are socialist ideas where they try and gain control of individuals through legislation of the general, but the legislation of the general, uh, more generally speaking, uh, removes our rights, increases government control.

So here's the thing. As the government gains control, we gains power, we lose power. That's how it works. There's only a hundred units of power in a society. Is it distributed 50 50 is a distributed, you know, 70 for the people and 30 for the government, which is what a democracy republic is supposed to be roughly. And then the numbers are really irrelevant, but you get the point in communism, it's a hundred percent, a hundred units are in control of the, uh, the government.

And so, uh, in order to do that, you'll notice that private property has to decrease and private rights have to decrease because as the government gains power, it has to pass laws and disarm people in order to retain its power. So this is how it works. This is what socialism is. So it's a, it's an, uh, an economy and it does not encourage private ownership of property or private ownership of businesses, but prefers that governmental ownership and control of the economy and businesses, uh, occurs for the benefit of all people. Socialists want the benefit of all people. That's great, but they can't think their way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to this topic because you can have to ask questions. Well, if socialism is true, who are the ones in power who distribute what to whom and how did you just demonstrate the efficiency of that procedure?

How do you know it works? Where are the socialist countries right now in the, in Europe? But that's where they're going to say it is, but there aren't any, there are some very socialist, uh, governments, uh, France.

I know we have French relatives. I think it's, they said 80% of their income is, uh, confiscated and goes to the state, which then distributes it out to people all over the place. So you work for the government 80% of the year kind of a thing. And so, uh, I guess probably socialism.

Yeah. I mean, I obviously, I agree with all that. That's uh, uh, uh, uh, the system itself is, is absolutely, um, you know, demonic, I think, especially in its extreme form and communism.

I mean, there's no biblical basis for it that it's basically against the truth and reality and how people are, you know, uh, and in, in the way we, we are made in God's image. Um, but I was thinking more of the, my attitude toward her as a person. So she was a college professor, so I'm sure she knows all this stuff and has no, I'm sure she does herself in her mind. I'm sure she doesn't, but I'm sure she's a leftist who doesn't know how to think straight.

That's what I'm saying. In terms of my, my attitude toward her as a person, like personally, um, should I think of her, um, and approach my conversation with her, uh, with an attitude informed by the fact that I believe he's a, um, you know, a liberal leftist socialist whacko who can't take away straight, uh, out of a, out of a wet paper bag and therefore is pretty much an idiot. And, and I should look at her as such, um, and treat her as such. No. I treat her as a, as a whacko leftist moron.

No. Treat her as someone who's been brainwashed by the leftist media and the leftist agenda who doesn't understand really what the issues are. She's obviously not going to be biblical in her, in her stance. So the way to get through to people like this is to ask questions and ask her. Well, I mean, I guess my question is, did I, did I, did I have disdain for her? No.

Oh no, no, no. We shouldn't have disdain for it. But if I'm thinking to myself, well, this person is a whacko moron. I can't take away out of a wet paper bag. He can't, you know, it, he's a, he's a leftist.

He's trying to destroy the country by promoting this stuff. And I would immediately, if I had that in my mind, obviously I'd be like, well, this person's the enemy, you know, pretty much, I mean, that's how I, well, and then, and then as my enemy could, I mean, how is Christian, if I take that attitude toward her, will I be more, um, if I think he's a moron on a whacko, okay. Uh, then, so what you do is, well, I'd be more, well, I'd be more, um, I don't know how you'll be, you know what I'm saying?

As a Christian, see what I do like that as a, as a Christian, how do I love her? That's the message. Well, let's talk about it after the break. Okay. Hey folks, we have one open line, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to the show, Jeff. Are you still there? Yes, I am. All right.

Just to, uh, prime the pump a little bit. Uh, there are times in the Bible when it's appropriate to call people names. Jesus called people hypocrites, whitewashed tombs, lawless vipers, serpents, concealed tombs, liars, and things like that. So when people are unrighteous, uh, as Jesus did and Paul did also, um, it's appropriate to call them what they are to identify them for what they are. Now, if someone is a murderer or an abortion doctor, same basic thing, then how should we think of them? We should think of them as, as evil people who have done evil things. Not that they repent, come to Christ, praise God, but we should also think of them with pity and with sorrow because they are lost and they need the truth. And so because of that, we should pray for them and work with them and help them to seek the truth and find it in Jesus Christ so they can repent of their, their foolishness and come to Christ. And so this is what I say. I agree with that. And, and we're supposed to as Christians speak the truth and love, but if it's true that they're a whacko moron, leftist socialist who can't take their way out of a wet paper bag, isn't it, uh, would that be appropriate just to let them know that right away?

That way we know they know where we stand. It depends. You know, it's up to you in this situation. I could lead with that. I could say, Hey, you know, first I found out now that you're a socialist, you know, first you're a moron. Okay. I'd like you to know that right out.

That's how I think of you. You're a moron. Well, if you want to try it, you can have this conversation or is it better to think of them as a person created in the image of God who has been deceived by the, by their own, their self-deceived and, and egged on by the wicked one to believe lies and are in bondage to sin. And let me answer when I meet, when I meet whacko leftist morons, uh, and I, I find out that's what they are and that they're ultimately working for the demise of our country though they don't know it. And they really can't think through these issues properly.

And they're of course not biblical. What I try and do is provide an opportunity to be able to witness to them. And if I call them names like that right away, they're going to, you're not going to listen on the radio.

I'll say this because it's radio. But the thing is, if you're going to meet an individual, you might want to say it. You might not want to say it. Whatever you think is appropriate. And I have spoken with individuals and I've called them.

You, you have your father, the devil. I've said it to people before, but that's usually after the case when they've demonstrated that that is the case. So I think that's what you should do. You're talking to somebody, let's say you're talking to a professor like this. Somebody called you up right now. So if a leftist, a Democrat, a socialist, whatever called you right now on the phone and on your show and I mean, would you, they've just heard you say it, you know what I mean? So they, they kind of know where you stand. So is it okay for them to like say, Hey, you know, that's kind of, you know, that's not helping us be willing to come into a conversation with you because you're basically telling us we're morons. So kind of like, well, okay.

Uh, I guess I won't be talking to you about this because you are, I already know where, where you stand about me personally. It's almost like, yeah, I got your point. I got your point. You're going over and over and over and are saying the same thing over and over and over again. I got your point a long time ago, so I've already answered it.

Okay. And this is for the radio. People say things on the radio and that's what they do. Now, if you watch leftist news, you'll find how much that they call the people on the right, basically evil people that are terrorists and things like this. Now the scriptures, we don't return evil for evil though, right?

No, we don't. But Jesus certainly did call people names, didn't he? Yes. And he's God. He knows their heart.

Yeah. And we can know their intentions by their actions. If they're voting, what would you say? What would you say if someone is, you know, pro homosexual, uh, pro communist and um, is pro abortion and you find this out and you're talking to somebody. Okay. So what are you going to do? Battle those ideas. I'll battle those ideas. Good.

Okay. That's what I would do. I would ask questions of the individual and say, why do you hold these positions? And then I would undermine the reasons for those positions. If they were to continue on in their sinfulness, rebellion against the truth, I would then say something to the effect of, do you know that you've been brainwashed by the left?

You can't think these things through clearly. This is why you have a problem. I've told people this because they sometimes need to hear this because if we're going to be so nicey-wicey all the time to the left, for anybody who's in, in sin and rebellion against God, well, okay. You know, but there are times to call people out for what it really is and label them for what it really is. Now, how to do that perfectly. Well, that I don't know how to do, but there are times to do it.

But on the radio here, I will use the phrase because, well, I just think it's more descriptive and it's radio entertainment. Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate your time.

Appreciate you calling. All right. Thanks a lot. All right. Thanks a lot. God bless. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Dwayne from Australia. Dwayne, welcome. You're on the air. You know, Matt, how you going, mate?

I love your accent. Doing all right, man. I just got a quick question to ask you. Uh, I'm actually looking into the IM statements of Christ. Okay. Now I know in the subtragent, right? Yeah. That they translated it from the Hebrew to the Greek about 250 years before Jesus, uh, was born.

But I just want to know, cause when you have the Greek IM, which is, uh, ego me, and then you have the Hebrew IM. Are you there? Hello?

Hello. Maybe we lost him. Maybe I lost him. Can you guys hear me? We had a little technical problem. So maybe, uh, okay, let's see.

Sometimes we do have a problem. I'm still on the air. We don't have him. Well, let's, I'll put him on hold and hopefully get a connection. Come back.

And if you want, you can call it, try and call back. We can do to fix that. Let's get to Jay from Boise. Hey Jay, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, how's it going? Oh, there you go. We're having a tech problem. I'm doing okay, man.

What do you got buddy? Uh, well, so I have a, uh, question about, um, I don't remember exactly the chapter and verse, but when, uh, Lazarus is speaking with the rich man in, uh, hell, right. Hades to be more specific. Um, so to, to try and make this as pithy as I can, it appears to me that the man is absolutely being, uh, tormented, but he's in Hades and I've been traditionally taught, uh, that Hades is actually just sort of like she'll right. Just the grave generally, but here it appears to be contrasted with Abraham's bosom as a place where the wicked are.

Um, and so I was wondering if you might be able to kind of help me out with that. She all is a Hebrew word. Hades, uh, he dates is a Greek word. And so generally speaking, Hades is a corresponding word for the old Testament showable and it's used by Jesus, uh, in the gospels, excuse me. And it occurs in, uh, in acts and in revelation. So what it probably is, is the subterranean, the boat of the dead and what you're referencing, there was Luke 16, 19 through 31 Lazarus, the rich man.

So he was conscious and torment, uh, after death. All right. So, um, I guess my question would be then just because it's like it's further up on me. Um, cause if there's a break, hold on, Jay, we've got a break. Okay. Hold on buddy. Okay.

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Let's get back to Jay from Boise. Hey Jay, were you welcome? I mean, welcome. Are you still there?

Yeah, I'm still here. Thank you. All right, man. All right. So what was your question though? Yeah.

Yeah. So I guess, um, but it'd be the issue that I kind of run into in my own head at least is it seems to me like if she only Hades are roughly equivalent one in being the Hebrew term and the other being the Greek term. Um, and you know, we have this passage here where Hades appears to be a place where a wicked man is tormented and where a righteous man is not being in Abraham's bosom instead.

Um, it seems to me like there's an issue with, with the theology we have, because on one end we have with people who would say that, you know, even the, even the righteous things like Jacob and David, for example, would expect to go to shield, but I don't expect that any of us believe that they were tormented for their sin. Um, and yet Hades appears to be used as a place where they're tormented for their sins. And this seems to get even worse when death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire. It seems like death and the place where people are tormented are thrown into the lake of fire. Um, and so, and that seems to me like kind of a, a big miss for people because I've always been taught Hades, Gehenna, they're different, they're separated, they're not the same thing.

All this kind of stuff, right? Gehenna is this, uh, reference to the place of torment and Hades is just the place where the dead are. But here it appears that Hades is actually the place of torment and Lazarus, the righteous man, isn't even there. Yeah, it's, uh, there's a bit of a problem when we discuss, I mean, not discuss, but when we go in and study these things, um, I've done studies on Gehenna Tartaros, which is another word that's used in Greek, uh, Hades, uh, Sheol, and I've not been able to conclude to my satisfaction exactly what the nuanced differences are between them. And, uh, we know that death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire.

Well, what does that mean? Because Hades, is Hades a place, and here's another question that gets into this, I'll explain why it's difficult. In Luke 16, through 31, it talks about, you know, the afterlife. And one of the theories is that the people who died beforehand, the wicked went to this place of suffering and the good went there as a holding place, Abraham's bosom. And then after Christ died and during his, uh, interim period, he then proclaimed the gospel to them and then raised them up into heaven with them. And that of Ephesians 4, 8 through 11 seemed to imply this.

Now, whether it's true or not, we don't know, but it's, it seems to be the case, uh, there's some evidence for that. If that's the case, then it would seem as though there's been a change in the nature of Hades, uh, that it's only a place of the wicked. If that's the case and the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire and Hades is thrown in the lake of fire, does it mean that they both go into that for the part of destruction? Or does it mean the implications that Hades itself will be destroyed in the lake of fire? You get a lot of wind in your phone there, guy.

A lot of wind. Yeah, sorry about that. Okay. And so when we get into this, it's like, okay, so what sense does it mean when they say they're thrown into the lake of fire? Cause some people like annihilations will see, well, it means it doesn't exist anymore. Well, does it? Or does it mean that the people in Hades, if that's a place, are thrown into the lake of fire? The whole place is, and it's all joined as one big massive punishment. And it's what's become a difficult thing to answer.

You still get a lot of wind in your phone. And so, uh, yeah, sorry, I'm trying to get rid of that at the moment. That's all right. And you and I have talked before, weren't you supposed to send me an email?

Because you're here in the Boise area. Yeah, actually, um, I did get an email sent to you actually. I, uh, it was a, so I don't know, cause I know you're probably fairly busy, so I'm not sure what you've read and what you haven't.

Um, but I sent an email, one that included a list of reasons why I personally am a annihilationist and another one, including an interview that I'll actually be doing in like 24 minutes. I wasn't planning on mentioning it, but it might as well now with Chris date, uh, I am not a physicalist like Chris date is, um, but I do agree with a lot of the, and I agree with that also. Um, I think that he's got a lot of interesting points in regards to hell that I agree with.

Um, I take, and I, and the thing is, is I'm not a Greek expert and I'm also a fairly young person. You know, I am, I'm only 22, so I'm open to being wrong about this, but it sounds to me like, um, this passage in particular is almost indicating that there is a place of conscious torment for the center. And then that place of conscious torment along with the center is destroyed in the lake of fire. So I would take a view that there's a problem with it. If they're punished, then they're punished for a period of time. That's corresponds to the law that they've broken for the sin they've committed.

Right? Uh, yeah, yeah, I would, I would agree with that. Okay. So let's just say that they suffer for 1000 years. Not that that's a right number or whatever. Just use that as an illustration.

So after they've been suffering for the appropriate length of time, then that means the punishment according to that law has been finished. Right? Right. Uh, well, I, I, not, I guess not necessarily.

I wouldn't. Then what? Cause here's the thing. The reason it would seem like. If they're punished, they're punished according to what the law requires. And where does it say that in the scriptures, how much punishment a person gets for whatever law they've broken?

Lying versus murder, stealing a paperclip versus murder. It doesn't. So if people are going to suffer in the afterlife for a period of time before they're annihilated, there's some logistical issues there, but we could use variables and say, well, corresponding to a certain value of sin, they're going to be suffering for a certain value period of time. But that means it's according to the law. That means a law is satisfied when they pay that punishment. Well then why are they annihilated for a second judgment upon their, the first judgment that they have of their sin? So you have a double jeopardy and this is a problem because if the law has been completed by their suffering, why don't they go to heaven?

Because they've met the requirements of the law. It's a problem. Um, well, that is an interesting point.

Certainly. Um, I think initially a couple things do come to mind. Um, the first thing that initially comes to mind is the, the wages of sin being death. And what it almost seems like to me is that there, every time you commit a sin, there's actually like two separate offenses almost. The act of committing a sin itself, which is rebellion against God, is worthy of a death penalty. And then there's also the specific act that you actually committed, right? The actual act is the sin. The actual act is the sin.

Okay. Well, and so I guess what I mean to kind of specify what I mean, right? So the, somebody eating, for example, the fruit of the garden, right? Um, that and somebody murdering another human being both have a equal quality in that they are direct rebellion against God.

Um, but they don't have the same action. My initial question was if someone's going to be punished according to the law, uh, for their sin. And then once the requirement has been satisfied, which will be then according to the law, and then that means they've met the requirement of the law, why are they annihilated? It doesn't make sense. It's a logical problem inside of that position. Maybe you could work up an answer or try to.

Well, I think the reason that I bring up this sort of, I like double pronged idea in a way, right? It's because it does almost seem to me like you are punished for that rebellion, right? That, that element that they have in, in, uh, tandem with each other and that that penalty is death. But then also, but what is death penalty for the specific act? But what is death?

And I have the basis. See, what is death? This is the thing that annihilation is presuppose that death can mean it or non-existence or, or, uh, annihilation later on that they're not for specific nor they specific in the issue of soul sleep with another topic.

Have you read the articles on CARM, you know, on these topics on annihilationism? I have recently. Yeah. Uh, because I did want to have a, uh, we live in the same, uh, area actually. So I've been asking if potentially it would be possible to have like an, even an in-person debate or interview if you ever would be interested.

But sure. But my question is this, my question is this is, have you read the issues that I've done on the word studies regarding punishment? Have you done destruction?

Have you done that? I've done this studies to show how they're used in scripture. There are places where destruction is used at 25, 46, you know, destroyed where the word destruction never means non-existence. There are places where it does and it does not. Why is it that the annihilationist choose which one is going to be?

It's because of the prejudices, not because the text requires it. Annihilationism is quite weak. And if you think about it, annihilation is non-existence. How is non-existence a punishment? It isn't. It's just non-existence because there's no attribution to it.

It's just nothingness. That's what rocks think of. How is that a punishment? Annihilation is the same thing as what rocks think of.

How is it a punishment? It's good. There's problems. Okay. Well, we got to go.

There's a break. Sorry buddy. Okay. Email me again. Okay.

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Two open lines, 877-207-2276. Sean from Texas, welcome here on the air. Hey, how you doing? I'm doing all right.

What do you got big man? Good. Hey, first of all, I just wanted to say, hey man, you kind of really clarified things on the annihilation because I was back and forth on that, but what you said just completely nailed it down for me. Which part? I'm just curious, which part? Well, basically how's that a punishment and just, I mean, just the whole thing just nailed it down. I mean, Yeah, it doesn't make sense. They call nothingness a punishment, but how's nothingness anything? It doesn't make sense to call it punishment. Oh no, the extinction process is punishment.

How long does that last for a millisecond? It just doesn't make sense. I don't think violation.

Anyway. Well, I guess the only thing they could say missing, you know, that being punishment is, you know, missing heaven. But, you know, It's like you were before you existed. It was nothing.

How's that punishment? It's the same thing. You're not missing out anything cause you don't exist. Right. Anyway. So, uh, I was talking to a guy, so I was talking to a guy and he, you know, I tried to talk to him about Jesus and all that. And the guy said he's read the Bible and you know, he believes it was created by aliens. Um, but he was saying because he read something called the Samaritans and I guess, uh, Samaritans or something like that, but are you there? And I don't know that. Are you aware of that?

You broke up? I lost you like five seconds or so. Uh, Samaritans. What? Oh, okay.

Are you aware of the book of, I think it's called the book of Samaritans. No, I'm not. No.

Okay. I guess, I guess it's what it is. I guess it's like 2000 years before the Bible. There was a religion or whatever.

There was a Jesus like figure that died and rose on the third day and all that stuff. I didn't know if you're aware of that or. Oh, okay. So well, uh, whenever they say anything like this, you always have to ask for documentation. And usually when they give you something, it's real spurious.

It's something written like an 800 AD that about a rumor they heard long ago. And it's just not good evidence for anything. So I always ask documents. Okay.

Always document it. Okay. So that's what I would say. And if he wants to go that older stuff, I mean, all I said, go ahead. Yeah.

And then all I said to him was like, look, I'd rather be able to be wrong. So yeah, I'll do that. I'll ask him for documentation on that. I always ask for documentation. Absolutely.

Oh yeah. Because they can make these statements as though they're true. Well, I don't accept that they're true. You have to demonstrate that they are. Show me the evidence.

You know, just tell them flat out. All right. All right.

Thank you. Okay. All right. Okay. God bless. Okay.

Let's get to, let's see. Joseph from North Carolina. Joseph, welcome. You're on the air. How are you doing today? By God's grace doing well.

What do you got? Hey man, I had a couple comments. I turned on your radio station.

I'm actually a first time listener. First time caller, but the guy that was talking about calling people names, the Bible wants us to be zealous for God. You know what I mean? Like we're supposed to be bold and stand out and call evil evil. And another thing is the Bible says, uh, there'll be people in hell beat with few stripes and there'll be people in hell beat with many stripes to go off what you were saying while ago. I just want to encourage people man to, you know, not, if you're a true believer in Christ, you don't have to worry about hell, death and destruction because you're a child of the light, not a child of the dark and be zealous for God.

I encourage people to be bold and stand up because right now that's what our country is lacking. That's why we have so much demonic activity going on in the Congress building and the White House. It's all demonic. It's the Bible fulfilling itself. I encourage all my brothers and sisters to stand fast, stand strong.

You know what I'm saying? Look at David when he went up against Goliath. Our Christian community is going up against Goliath right now because our government is Goliath and we just have to stand fast in our faith. And I encourage you and Matt, man, you don't know me, but I love you as a brother and I encourage you for doing what you're doing and anybody listening right now. I just encourage y'all to do God's work and he works through us. We're, we're, we're bound to go through trials and tribulations.

Like, my life ain't easy, man. I'm blind. I went blind when I was 22 years old, but today I'm not the same guy I was when I went blind and I thank the good Lord for it. He didn't let me die and go to hell.

He let me give me insight. I learned how to walk by faith and not by sight and I encouraged my brother's assistant to do the same cause the news is lying to you. The government's lying to you. They're trying to do away with us and just know that we have a better place waiting on us when this place does kick us out. I like that phrase. Well, this place does kick us out. Interesting. They eventually don't kick us out too, man.

Yeah, that's right. You know, but you know, at the end, we're going to get the victory. We have questions. I mean, we have callers. Do you have a, do you have a question or I mean, the comments great.

I appreciate it. My, my, my, my question is for your listeners. I want to hear about more zealous Christians in our country. I want to hear about our fight back.

You know what I'm saying? Like fight the good fight of faith. I want to hear that from everybody listening. My question to you is, man, don't let them kick you out there.

Well, it's not up to me. It's other people who, Oh, who own the station and stuff like that. And, um, I was kicked off the air to another place. Uh, we don't know exactly why, but we suspect it was because of what I said about Roman Catholicism. And we found out that my later recordings, uh, when I talked about Catholicism, music came over instead of, uh, instead of my, my, uh, my speech about it because Catholicism is so bankrupt. So we, and then we think that's what happened and people don't like a lot of stuff.

It's a form of censoring and, uh, people do it all over the place. So, but we have you heard anything about, have you heard anything about China coming out with a new version of the King James version Bible? No, I haven't heard of that.

So I heard that Xi Jinping is trying to put new versions of the King James Bibles into America's system. I have not heard it. Tell you what, if you've got documentation for that, then, um, then contact me, you know, then let me know. I'd like to hear it. I'll tell you what we've got. Can you, uh, you have a good day.

Everybody be blessed. Okay. Email it to me.

If you've got information, info at carm.org. Okay. Cause that would be good. Oh yes sir. All right. All right.

Well, God bless. Okay. Let's get on the phones with next longest waiting is Joshua from Idaho.

Joshua. Welcome. You're on the air. How you doing Matt? Doing all right. Where are you in Idaho? Coeur d'Alene. Wow.

Oh, that's right. I think I've talked to you before. So what do you got buddy? So I know I've talked to you a couple of times regarding objective morality versus subjective morality. And one of the things that, uh, I've been coming across a lot on public forums is that, uh, so when I, when I assert objective morality with, with people, they'll counter and say that objective morality is false because objective is without feelings.

And if you have feelings, then those are subjective. So like for example, in order for something to be objective, they're not informed. So objective means not dependent upon your own person. Uh, it's something that exists outside of you. It's objective. It's out there.

It's something out there. Subjective means it's dependent upon you. So are there objective morals? The only way objective morals could exist and have them and they have universal properties or universal application is there's a universal mind because morals are abstractions and abstraction is something that occurs in the mind, not in the physical realm as in it's a physical property like redness or roundness or square or straight.

We can measure those things, but you can't measure abstractions like love and fellowship and, and things like that. And a moral is, um, an attitudinal thing because if I were to slap someone on the face, is it right or is it wrong? It depends on the motive to save them from injury or to cause injury. You know, so morality is related to the intention of the actor of the one who performs the action. So if someone wants to say there's no objective morality, what they're saying is there is no God. And if someone says there's no objective morality, then I'll ask them a question. I say, is it true or not true that it is wrong for everybody to torture babies to death merely for their personal pleasure? It's a statement I've used. Okay. And what'd they say? I've posed that question to that same question that you just mentioned there and they'll, they'll, uh, they'll counter and say, well, it's my opinion that it is. Okay. Here's the trap.

Here's the trap. Is it right or is it wrong? Is it always wrong for everyone? If they say yes, it's always wrong. It's our opinion. Then it's their opinion that there's a universal moral absolute.

You see, they're stuck. If they say no, it's not true. Then they're advocating the idea that it's okay to do that thing.

And I'd say, then give me examples when that's the case. But if they say it's their opinion, then you got them. Right.

And then I, and then I've had it on both sides. I've had it to where they'll say, they'll say, well, yes, it's, it's always wrong, but that's just my opinion that it's always your opinion, that it's always wrong for everyone. So you, it's your opinion that universal moral absolutes exist. Right. And then, then I'll say, so if it's your opinion, I mean, if they kind of, they kind of conflate the argument by saying it's their opinion and then I got you, I got you. I got you. I got you. And so what you say is, I'll say it again.

So you're saying that it's your opinion that moral absolutes exist, but you just said they don't. So how is it that you're consistent? So that's what you do. Okay. I've had this exact conversation many times. That's what you do.

Right. And then, and then they, and they do say that, that it, that it's that, no, that it's not always wrong. Then then I'll say, well, give me a case of where it's okay. Do you know of any, and they'll say, well, there's people who do do that.

I don't know of any one personally, but they'll use an example. Like if they say there's people who do that. So you say, wait a minute, you know, people who do this, who are they need to add to the police. Then we'll say no. And then we'll try to equate the argument and kind of, but, uh, I'm telling you how to respond to it. Okay.

This is what you do. So it's your opinion that they do these moral absolutes to exist, right? Well, it's just my opinion, not everybody, but your opinion is that they exist, right? And that's what, that's the whole thing. You just say it over and over, but your opinion is that they do exist, but you said they don't.

So how is it? Your opinion says one thing and yet you say another, you contradict yourself. You're not being rational. Okay, buddy.

We're out of time. I appreciate it. All right, man. God bless. Amos from Texas was going to call about Eastern Orthodoxy and Carter from Mississippi on baptism questions. Love both those topics. Please call back tomorrow and by his grace, we'll talk to you then. And Hey folks, I'm out of time. May the Lord bless you. We'll be on the air Lord willing tomorrow. Another program powered by the truth network.