Matt Slick Live

A previously recorded Matt Slick show. If you're new to the show, Christian Talk Show here, and we answer Bible questions. You know, last night we had some people over my house, and we discussed some things, and it was an interesting discussion, about three hours. It's one of those things, that's what I like to do when I have a study, is we start at a certain time, leave when you want.

Don't feel you've got to stay, just take off. Because usually conversations get kind of involved. And we were there till 1030, almost four, yeah, about four hours. And just discussing. Nobody was upset, and you know, it was great, and people are going, I'll leave later. One guy says I was going to leave at eight, and he called his wife, I'm staying. So it was a lot of fun. We had a good time, and so, let me check the audio right now. Forgot to get that going. Anyway, like I said, give me a call, 877-207-2276.

We'll want to hear from you, please give me a call. Five open lines, as is often the case, start at the beginning of the show. We don't have anybody calling, and at the end of the show we have too many people. And that's just how it works.

So if you want to zip a line in right now, you can do that. All right, all right, let's see. What can we talk about? We can talk about some of the issues that we talked about last night. One of them was an interesting discussion that came up regarding salvation. One of the individuals was saying that he thought that you had to be in a continual state of repentance in order to be saved. And a lot of times when people say that, they don't understand what they're really intending to say.

They haven't really thought it out. And so we had a really interesting discussion for about an hour going through scriptures. And what was really interesting, I thought, what I was so pleased with, is that some of them were jumping in, some of the people jumping in and politely having a discussion about, no, the Bible says this, the Bible says that. And I loved to hear that because I've taught studies with some of the people in those studies, and they were saying the things I've taught them. And it's nice to hear that, you know, that's how we do that. We learn and we teach and we move forward that way.

So praise God, praise God, and praise God. All right, now we'll get to the calls, but we have four open lines. Why don't you give them a call?

877-207-2276. Let's get to Shirlene from Utah. Shirlene, welcome. You're on the air. Hi.

Hi. I have been reading about heaven in the world. Yes.

In Genesis and in other parts of the Bible. And then Paul was caught up to the third heaven. Third heaven, yeah. What can you explain about the third heaven? Is there more than one? No. No.

What it means is the way the Jews talked. They had the first, second, and third heaven. The first heaven is the earth and the atmosphere, things like that. Could you repeat that, please?

Yes. That the first heaven, they actually called it the first, the second, and the third. And the first heaven was the area of the atmosphere and the clouds, where the birds fly, where the wind is. That's what they referred to as the first heaven. In the second heaven, it was outer space. It was where the planets and the stars are. And in the third heaven in the Jewish understanding was a dwelling place of God. So that's all that it's talking about. It's not saying there's heavens like Mormons say there's heavens.

Terrestrial, telestial, celestial. Right, right. Yeah, that's wrong.

They don't get that. And it's actually telestial, terrestrial, and celestial. In the third heaven, in Mormonism, the highest level, the third heaven has three levels in it and the highest in that is called the Church of the Firstborn. But at any rate, that's all that's going on.

I have an article written on it on Karm. What does the Bible refer to when it says third heaven? And that's it. It's just the first one where the rain is and the clouds. It says he will shut the heavens so that it will not rain. And so that obviously is talking about where the heaven of the clouds. That's what it's talking about.

Okay. And then another one is in the heavens, he has pitched a tent for the sun. See, in the heavens. It rises at one end of the heavens and makes a circuit to the other. So that's where there's planets in Jeremiah 8.2. They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens.

Okay, so that's the other one. And then 1 Kings 8.27 says, but will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven cannot contain you. And Deuteronomy 10.14, to the Lord your God, belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth, and everything in it. And so that's talking about the highest heaven and stuff like that. But it says in 1 Kings 8.30, it says, then hear from heaven your dwelling place.

And that's what the psalmist, that's what he's talking about in Kings. Okay, hear from heaven. Well, can you tell me which heaven the war in heaven was?

The war? Well, it's either, well we don't know. Because we know there's a spiritual realm and a dwelling place of God, but we do not know the extent of that. We do know that the angelic realm, according to Job, had to present themselves before God and he dwells in the third heaven.

So it looks like they had access to that level. God's area of indwelling. And when there was a rebellion of angels, they were probably in the presence of God and were cast down and out of his presence, so probably to the earth and or into the celestial realm. So we don't know exactly where the battle would be, but you know, any war difficulties and you know, we do know that there are angels on earth that killed people and that we can have angels in our presence that we're not even aware are angels. So angels can be here and if they're bad angels, then I can see them doing some conflict, as it talks about Michael was hindered and stuff like that. So that's what we think.

Okay. Well, so on earth, as it ended up in heaven, we have wars here too. Yes, we have wars, that's correct.

But we don't. And there was a war in heaven, I thought, well, my oh my, on earth, there's a war in heaven. I wouldn't say there's a war in heaven, I don't think that's a really biblical phrase. I've been not familiar with, I have a study to know for sure, but what's probably discussed there is just the, when Satan rebelled and a third of the angels fell.

So we don't know exactly what happened. People like to say things that just aren't in the Bible. And so if I do a search for war in the, yeah, I don't see it anywhere in, let's see, go to the entire Bible, there's a war in the camp, in Exodus, but nothing that I'm familiar with that says war in the heavens. So always check to see even if the common things you've heard in church are in the Bible.

A lot of what is taught in church is not even in the Bible, unfortunately. Okay. Are you there? Hello? Hello, I guess we lost you, alright, we'll just move along then. Okay, let's get to Jared from Arkansas.

Jared, welcome, you are on the air. Hey, what's going on man, how are you? I'm doing okay, hanging in there.

What do you got? Good, good. Hey, I'm a pastor down here locally and I'm sure you're familiar with it, but this critical race theory or intersectionality stuff, are you familiar with that yet? A little bit, yep. Well, I'm kind of wanting to see what your take on it is from a biblical standpoint, with all the race riots and the racism that's supposedly going on here, I'm just really confused. And I've got several church members that take different perspective on it, but I'm not really sure, I'm just confused on it, so I was kind of wanting to see what your thoughts were on it so far. Well, you know, social integration and how it's supposed to be and the issue of social justice and things like that, you had a dog barking back there. So, I actually started research on social justice the day before yesterday and it's going to take me weeks to complete it because I'm in the process of converting karma from one format to another and it takes me hours every day. So, what social justice is, what the intersectionality stuff is potentially quite dangerous.

As is often the case, the intention is good. So, if we look in the dictionary online, for example, intersectionality, the interconnected nature of social organization, race, class, gender as they apply to a given individual or group, okay, well that's what intersectionality is. So, it's just the inter-blending of aspects of society. Well, along with this and social justice stuff is the idea of equity between people. Well, okay, equity between people. Well, that's what we want as Christians, but unfortunately as Christians, sometimes God ordains that we're to be poor and as Paul the Apostle had a lot of financial issues where Jesus didn't have the place to lay his head. What intersectionality, what social justice is, is a secularized movement that presupposes certain moral values which it cannot ground as being correct and then imposes those on other areas. So, it's a godless system. It's creeping into some of the churches and denominations because, and I'll just say it quite honestly, because a lot of pastors and elders can't think their way to have a wet paper bag and don't know what the Bible says about certain things because they're too busy trying to get, well it's true, they're too many are just trying to get numbers in the church and they think that that's what blesses. If God gets numbers, then God's blessing you.

That doesn't mean anything. So, critical race theory, all this stuff is social justice, the BLM debacle, which BLM to me stands for Burn, Loot, and Murder. It's a Marxist organization that is, who seeks to destroy the nuclear family and it does and they say so on a website and the founder, one of the founders approves of the Breathe Act which is a Marxist document. So here's the thing, Karl Marx who was into the occult and Satanism to a mild degree, he would go around reciting poems that were demonic in their themes. Well, he is the one who got the idea of the equality of all people and that it needs to be forced upon society and that the lower class needs to rise up and make demands on the upper class. Well, what this does is it causes dissension, it causes problems, it causes oppression and when they get in power, then the government then imposes its values on others and if you don't have God established powers and rights, then it's by the government, the government gives, the government takes away.

The government becomes your God in a large sense. Hold on, we've got more to talk about after this break. Please stay tuned, folks. Be right back, 877-207-2276. Give me a call. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, Jared, welcome back. You still there?

Yes, sir, I am. Okay, so you asked a little bit about critical race theory and so I did a little bit of research and wrote some more notes in my area on the website, which I haven't released yet as I collect notes. It's the view that there's inherent racism in all aspects of society, you know, basically the legal and social institutions and the problem is that the racism is basically due to whites being white and this is the problem. The whites are racist but the blacks really aren't that racist.

They can be but not really. It's endemic in whiteness and white problems. And so all of this blends together for the reconstruction of society but in order to reconstruct society, it's not done internally through the gospel and the changing of hearts but it's done through forced social change, riots, marching, mayhem, and things like this with the intent to force laws to change, procedures to change for the redistribution of wealth and opportunity. And so what happens is that the people who are in power, so to speak, in power, perceived to be in power, whoever they are, are the ones who become an oligarchy and then they divvy out what's right and wrong to the people below them and the pervasive group that's accused of being racist, the white in our country, are the ones who then will have to pay and be essentially punished. And so what this does is it destroys an economy, it destroys a society, and it causes more racism.

It causes it. And I know that even with my own self, that seeing all this stuff has an adverse effect on me when I see it on TV, seeing people walk up behind another person with a brick and hit them over the head and laugh. Where blacks and whites, I think it was BLM and Tifa, shot a guy who was wearing a MAGA hat, I think it was, it doesn't matter, killed him.

And the people are laughing and applauding. And they want racism to be done away with, they want equality for all. And yet, they're murderers. So BLM, Black Lives Matter, to me, is burn, loot, murder. And I'm saying it publicly, because I know what BLM stands for. And I'm against racism. I'm against racism.

I've got daughters. If they want to marry black guys, I don't care. Chinese guys, I don't care. It doesn't matter. As long as they're Christians, that's all I care about. So it doesn't bother me.

But the thing is that what they're doing is bringing about the opposite of what they want. It's like law. The law is interesting. Law in the gospel.

A lot of people don't know this. But the law is perfect. The law is good. But the law brings about the opposite of what it requires. It requires perfection and shows you your imperfection. It will give you life if you obey it, but it will kill you if you don't.

So the law is good because it comes from God, but in our ability and hearts, we're not able to do it, so therefore we fail. So the law becomes a difficult task master. Task master?

Task master. And it kills us. It becomes oppressive. And this is the same thing that's happening here with the social justice movement. It's creeping into the church. And because the people in the church are uneducated biblically, theologically, rationally, logically, historically, they don't know what to do. And so they think that social justice is something that we ought to be working at as a primary Christian thing instead of preaching the gospel.

It's the gospel that changes the heart that then moves the hand. But in social justice, they want to have external laws that control the hand. And then they complain when you do what they accuse you of. And what they accuse you of is whatever they want to accuse you of. And there's something that's really important, like stupid Nancy Pelosi jerk woman. Oh, she makes me so mad. She actually has told people how to do what amounts to Gestapo tactics in false news reports and how to get people.

It's right out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. And she's following this. And she's in the elitist group. And she goes to that salon and doesn't wear a mask and has all these privileges. And then she, when the, I don't know if you heard about this, but then the lady who owned the salon was upset about this. Why is she wearing a mask? She requires it for everybody else, but she won't even do it herself. And, you know, if she can come in and do this, the salon owner said, if she can come in without a mask, why can't others come in without a mask?

And why are we having the business closed? But she, you know, and so what does Pelosi do? Sicks her lawyers on them saying that she set the salon owner, set her up.

Now she's accusing. You know, so this is, this is what happens when you have people in the so-called social justice. They become incredibly arrogant because they think they know what is right and they're going to enforce it on everybody else. And their hypocrisy is usually hidden in the shadows, but no light shines on it. It's quite obvious. And the news media, I just, I'm just complaining here, but the news media is part and parcel to the dis, to the deception that's occurring in the media, along with Facebook.

I agree. And I tell you, it's, it's been already, you know, one of the things that I said when this first started to come to life was to my church on Sunday, which I have a lot of young people. And I said, you know, that the key factor here is to know that racism is evil, but the only way to combat racism is the gospel of Jesus Christ, not legislation. And, uh, it was the very next day that there was a snippet of one of my favorite preachers. Uh, Matt Chandler came out and said that anybody who says that is the hypocrite because we don't do that with abortion, you know, and pretty much saying that, I mean, a lot of people would say he's woke, you know, but I mean, I don't want to be one of these guys that inflames things, but then again, it's like, man, this is going to be tough, especially in election year on how to preach against these things in love for the people that, that I'm called the shepherd, but man, it, it is so divisive right now.

Cause I'm Southern Baptist and then the Southern Baptist convention, it is, it is cancerous and toxic right now that the division over this is crazy. Well, I wish they would have me come in and speak. I'm serious. I would love that.

I really would. Because I would say it like it is, and I would call the pastor, it's there to repentance. And, uh, uh, you know, maybe it's my gifting I have in the body of Christ because of my Asperger's. Uh, I don't care what you guys think. I care what God says and you need to repent and get in line with what he says. And if you don't want to do it, lay down your pastorate and go outside and wash cars. Let someone who cares about the word of God take care of it and do it right. And don't preach to please the people. Preach to please God. Preach to thin the church out and preach to the elect of God, called by God because the church pastor is supposed to be able to preach and equip the Christians for the work of ministry, not babysit them with diaper Indian theology that says, hey, it's all up to you and your wisdom and your, and your unbelief to be able to pick and choose God and your wisdom and all this idiocy. There's so much heresy in the Christian church that people don't even know exists.

And, uh, I mean, seriously, there's heresies, um, in the Christian church today and most Christian churches because they're man-centered humanistic philosophies that are crept in or not submitting themselves to the word of God. But I can go on and I can complain about that all I want. Social justice is, is a real problem and we are not to participate in social justice stuff for the most part as a broad scope. Be careful how we say that, but we need to preach the gospel first.

That's what we need to be doing. All right, buddy. Amen. Thank you, brother. All right, man. God bless. All right.

That was Jared from Arkansas. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show.

Now I'm wondering if I hung up on the wrong guy because I don't know if I think I did because this is also about critical race theory. John, are you there? Yeah, I can't hear.

John from Virginia. Yes, that's me. How you doing? All right. Okay. All right. All right. See you later.

I love you, papa. I'm sorry. I was just on the phone. I was talking to my, uh, my, uh, my father-in-law. That's okay. I'm good. Yes.

So what do you got, man? I want to say, um, uh, the way the pastor guy was talking about that, that, uh, that's creeping into the church and you've got the guy who does the Southern Baptist Conference. He is into that critical race theory.

You know, I can't remember his name, but one of my friends was telling me about it. He was saying this guy into that critical race theory and what that does, that just, it does, it does the white privilege thing. And all that does is just make other races hate whites, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. And it was disgusting because you see like, uh, you see people like the guy who got shot up in Portland up there and then he had the kid who killed two people in Kenosha, but the kid in Kenosha was only doing self-defense. They went out and wanted to murder somebody, you know? And, uh, it just, it hurts me when I see people at church just like this, you know, and just social justice warriors, they call them, and they are ignorant and they won't listen to you. You try and talk to them and they're like, turn the music up, produce something else stupid, you know? Well, you know, what I would do at that point, I'd say, excuse me, um, what color Kool-Aid are you drinking? And, uh, see if I understand what that's a reference to.

Yeah. We were in our country's in, uh, in dire straits and, uh, And they say that God don't, uh, I just saw Christians and I don't know, believe it or not, I'm, I'm going for Donald Trump. He, he doesn't like, uh, the abortion stuff. He despises it, you know? And, and, and to me, he's a good man. I got some of my friends with Democrats are turning to him, but then some of my other friends are like totally against him, you know?

And that's why he gets her. You ever like put on Fox news for a few minutes. Do you have a question? Do you have a question though? Oh yeah.

Yeah. I want to ask you, uh, I was reading the Bible in second Thessalonians where it says, uh, don't be deceived. He goes, uh, we will not know that day until the, uh, don't say rebellion. Uh, I think it says until the rebellion comes first and then you'll see the man of sin and I'm kind of wondering, uh, it's just the beginning of it. Cause I believe we are in the last day. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Um, we can jump in here. Um, it, what it actually says in second Thessalonians, uh, two, three, let no one deceive you. It will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the apostasy. I believe that's happening now.

Yeah. The apostasy means that the Christian church has to fall away from the truth and it is occurring. And this is something I've been saying in the radio.

I've been in radio for 15 years, five days a week. And I'll just tell you that I said it countless times that the Christian church is moving towards apostasy because, uh, it has a lot of heresies it's teaching in the Christian church. And, uh, maybe what I'll do is I'll compile a list of some of the heresies and talk about them over the radio. And, uh, because I'll lose a lot of listeners because they believe a lot of heresies. Um, but you know, the thing is the word of God has everything we need and the Christians are to trust the word of God. And if they don't submit it to their own ideology, then you're doing what Eve did when she modified the word of God in Genesis three. And, uh, we want to do that.

We want to submit to the word of God. Okay. Okay, cool. All right. Well, thank you.

God bless and pray for me. Uh, okay. Um, well, yeah. All right.

Uh, we all need prayer, but thanks. Okay. Okay.

God bless. All right, folks. We have, uh, four open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Why don't you give me a call? Let's, uh, get to Rob from Florida. Rob.

Welcome. You're on the air. Rob. Good evening, Matt. How are you? I'm all right. Hanging in there.

What do you got, man? Uh, your view is on cessationism. Cessationism. I am a continuationist. I believe all the charismatic miracles have stopped.

Sorry. Right. That's cessationism.

I'm a continuationist. I believe that all of the charismatic gifts are for the church as a whole today. That doesn't mean though that I mean, or that I believe that somebody goes into church and starts speaking in tongues and that it, that's just simply okay.

That everybody can do it all the time. I don't buy that. Um, I believe that God can utter prophecies today through people, um, and the words of knowledge and wisdom and tongues.

I believe all that can happen. Okay. Okay. A question because that's your, that's your belief and that's fine.

Right. So my question is, do you believe you've seen those miracles then, you know, you've been around. I'm just asking because, you know, okay, cool.

That's good enough for me. If you say it, I believe it, brother. Well, um, yeah, I can only tell you what my experiences have been and, um, I prophesied once. It's the only time in my entire life where I just flat out prophesied and, um, and I can tell you the details if you want.

And it came true. And another time I had a, I don't know what to call it, a word of knowledge about someone. And, um, uh, my roommate who was there with me at the time, uh, said he saw physically moving between my mouth and the, in the mind or head or the face of the other person. He saw what were looked like waves of heat.

You know, when you see a mirage on the, on the ground, you know, the distance at a little wave thing, he said, it looked like that. And I'm like, really? That's what he told me. He said, okay, okay. If that's what you say.

And I have to reboot my, uh, Comrix stack just now quit. So let me get that back in there. But, um, no, I've always been on the fence about it.

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. What does the scripture say? And that's the issue. So, uh, the Bible says, for example, in first Corinthians one seven, it says that we're not to lack any charisma, any charismatic gift while we're waiting for the return of Christ.

And that's first Corinthians one seven. Um, okay. Hold on a sec.

I'm having a slight problem with my video. So hold on. I'm going to see if I can get it with another, uh, at the talk here because the producer will be listening and, um, and I can't get it to close all this down. Let's see, close this down and try it back in. Get this way going. Uh, and then we'll talk about it.

Cause I've got to be able to hang up on people and, and answer people and things like that. So I'll get the, the Comrix to go and that's about to do. So let's see if it's going to work. Well, I'll be honest with you. I'm satisfied with what you say. I trust you bro. Well, I'm glad you do. Um, but I'm always suspicious when someone so easily trust the guy with the last name slick and uh, okay.

Comrix is working now. So I've been listening to you for a while. So, okay. Well, okay.

So that's good. Um, but I've written a lot about this topic. It's, it's a very dear topic to me. And I would be glad to debate someone on it publicly.

And I already have, there's a debate between myself and, uh, I forgot who was out in Texas. I had a debate a few years ago on the charismatic gifts, but, uh, in first Corinthians 11, 20 Romans 11, 29, it says the gifts, the charisma and the calling of God are irrevocable. And that's really interesting. The charismatic gifts are irrevocable.

That's what it says. And also in Romans 6, 23 says the way to sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life. The gift there is the word charisma in the Greek. So, uh, you know, uh, it, the spirit still works. I don't believe in the wacko stuff though. The spirit of God still works. Okay.

Right now I'm with you. But everybody has to have tongues to be saved and blah, blah, blah. Right. You don't need to speak in tongues to be saved or get baptized to be saved or take sacraments to be saved or anything to be saved other than believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. And that's what the Bible says.

Romans X 16. Okay. Real quick. This is just a step second question, but you were talking about social justice and I've been standing in an abortion clinic for 10 years. So you don't think that's wrong for you to try to save babies because you were talking about maybe I'm misunderstood. No, go for it.

Oh no, no. I need to be able to talk more about the social justice thing because we have no callers waiting. Maybe we can talk about it. I'm not saying we shouldn't do stuff where we, uh, defend biblical things like defending babies being born without being killed in the womb. We should defend that. We should stand and march in opposition to racism. We should march with people against that. This is all good stuff because it's biblically based. That's not a problem.

But, uh, when we think that the solution of our problems is marching and rioting and complaining and whining, no, the solution, excuse me, the solution as Christians is the gospel preach and the changing of hearts. But we can join with people, uh, doing what's right. And so I need to write about this and be more clear about it. That's what you need to do.

Well, I thought that that's what you meant, but I just wanted to make sure. So thank you. I'm glad you did because sometimes I'll say something and not very clear and people got to call me on it. That's good. So good for you. Okay. Well, God bless you, Matt.

You're awesome. And I love, I love coming out of an evangelism, um, session and hearing you speak and gosh, it makes my whole night, brother. Well, you must be desperate.

I'll tell you that that's gotta be it. No, the word of God never made it. Well, the word of God makes me, the word of God makes me in desperate, right? Yeah. It makes me desperate for my Lord all the time.

I need him so much. Oh, sheesh. Amen.

We both do brother. Amen. That's right. Convince the whole world. That's right.

That's what I'm trying to do. One person at a time. Okay, Rob. There you go, buddy. All right. God bless you. Thanks. Bye. All right. That's Rob from Florida folks.

You have four open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. I want you to give me a call.

Please do be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the last segment of the show. Let's get to Jason from Arkansas. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey.

Hey. Hey, I just want to ask you something about the baptism. I know your point of view, but I'm not really sure why you feel baptism is a work whenever God commands us to do it. Man looks at his work, but God looks at his obedience. So, I mean, you know, it's not a work whenever God does the work for you, whenever you come up with that water.

And then, you know, the Spirit doesn't come to the water. Hold on a sec. Hold on a sec.

Hold on. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. I'm here.

I'm here. It's not your radio show. So, let me ask, can you define... Go ahead.

Thank you. Can you define what it means to do a work? Well, the work is if a man baptizes somebody and the Spirit comes out of that man and goes to another man, that would be a work.

Excuse me. Can you define to me what a work is? Define it. What does it mean to accomplish a work? Well, I'm obeying. So, I'm obeying. I'm not doing a work. Okay. So, you don't know what a work is?

Well, a work would be something that doesn't get us into heaven. Okay. You're not listening to me.

Okay. I'm asking you to define your terms. You say it's not a work.

Define what a work is. Because if you can't define your terms, you can't say what you're saying. Well, I'm not here to define the law. God is.

Whenever God defines the law... Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me.

Excuse me. I don't want you to teach your heresy and I'm asking you questions and you're ignoring my questions. This is the basics. What is a work? You said baptism is not a work. Define work. If you cannot define work, you cannot say baptism is not a work. If you don't know what a work is, you can't say what baptism is or is not regarding work. Define what it means to do a work. I don't know because it's not a work.

That's what we're having. Wait. You can't say you don't know what a work is and say baptism is not a work.

You can't do that if you don't know what a work is. Okay. You tell me then.

So you don't know. Good. A work is something that we do through mental or physical effort to accomplish something.

Okay? So when you go to work, you do a job. When I clean my garage, I'm doing a work. Work by definition takes time and effort to accomplish something. Does a baptism take time and effort to be accomplished?

I suppose so. I mean, we abide in his will. Then that means that you're defining baptism as a work. I'm not the definer, though. Are you the authority to tell me what the law is? The law defines it. God defines it, not by how man defines it. Jason, we define what the word work was. You asked me.

I told you what it was. That's not your opinion, though. That's your opinion. The law is by God. God is the father of the law. He done it by righteousness is what he says when he baptized. Jason. Yes, sir. Jason, you need to stop trying to preach, and we need to have a dialogue.

Okay. Do you know what happened when he was baptized? What happened? He received the spirit of God, descended and remained upon him. So basically what he's doing is teaching us how to do it, how to receive the spirit of God. Do you not understand that? What takes place?

Why did he receive the spirit of God when he was baptized? Hey, Jason. Why does John see it? Jason. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Please don't. Okay, I'll tell you what. We're just going to move along. I was trying to be polite with him, trying to work with him, but if he's going to be rude, condescending like that, well, then we won't have a conversation with him. But that's just how it goes, Mark. I mean, Jason, you don't understand what baptism is about.

You don't understand what works are, and you don't give me enough time to dialogue with you to actually get someplace, because all you want to do is preach, and you're unteachable, and that's a problem. Let's get to Mark from North Carolina. Mark, welcome. You are on the air. Oh, hey. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing all right, hanging in there. What have you got, man?

All right. Well, something's been weighing very heavy on my heart, and it's with the Methodist Conference. I've been baptized Methodist. I've been going to a Methodist church for years now. Can I ask a question?

And the strife that's coming. Yes, sir. Is it United Methodist, or what kind of Methodist denomination? Yes, United Methodist. Okay, thanks. Go ahead.

Sorry about that. And the United Methodist branch, or let's say the World United Methodist Conference, is going to break off from the U.S. I should say the U.S. is going to break off from the world.

What is your take on that, with the separation from the U.S.? I don't know, because I don't know what the issues are that they want to separate with, but I do know this, but the United Methodist Church, and I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but I would never send anybody to the United Methodist Church. It's so liberal that it's just, I don't even know if they have the true gospel. Seriously.

And that was what I wanted to say, but without saying it, and I appreciate you saying it, is because it does seem like it has gone completely liberal. Yeah. The problem that I have with it is that if you go off of scripture, marriage is between a man and a woman. Right. And I know that is one of the things that they want to move past for the United Methodist Conference of the U.S. So what they want to do...

It doesn't bode well because... What are they saying? Are they saying they want to approve homosexual marriage or disapprove? They don't want to, yes, I guess is what it is. Yes, they want to approve homosexual marriages and...

Wait, wait, wait. They do want to approve. They want to approve it, not disapprove it. Yes. Okay. Correct. They want to approve it, and they also would want to have... Sorry. That denomination, if they want to approve it, would be apostate, a false church. It would be false.

Okay. And the reason is because the elders and pastors and elder, by definition, 1 Timothy 5, 17, 18 talks about this. Titus chapter 1 verses 5 through 7, I think it's Titus 1 and 1 Timothy 3, talks about the requirements of an elder. And the elders' requirements, one of them is to be able to teach doctrine, sound doctrine, refute error.

Homosexuality is a sin, and it goes against the created order, and if they can't tell the difference, then the pastors and elders are apostate, not doing the job of the minister, and so the denomination would be a false denomination and a false church, and it should be abandoned and condemned for the false church that it is preaching a false gospel. Simple. Okay.

And that would be one of the reasons why I have pulled away from that. Good. I do know, however...

Okay, well I just wanted to... I was going to say, I do know that there are real Christian ministers in the United Methodist denomination, and they're staying down in order to try and be a witness. But there are very few. But United Methodist Church is so liberal, it is basically pagan in a lot of ways.

Sorry, but it is. And that would, you know, I'm just worried about it going from one point of that to then are they going to say that it's okay for abortions to happen, and are they going to go to the next route and the next route? Well sure, why not? To where it just becomes a skeleton of what it once was.

Of course. What happens historically, in my research, 80% of the denominations that adopt women pastors and elders, 80% within two generations adopt pro-homosexual positions. And from there, it's just a matter of saying, yeah, let's kill the life in the womb because it's up to the mom.

And it's her body, which is illogical and makes no sense. But yeah, it's just a form of apostasy. The United Apostolic is apostate. The United Methodist is apostate. The United Pentecostal is apostate. And I'm Presbyterian, and the United Presbyterian is apostate.

There's lots of denominations and sub-denominations. And it seems like that's the way everything is going. It's frustrating when you are, I can't say I'm ultra-conservative, but I'm definitely not a moderate conservative, if that makes sense. If you listen to me and you've been listening for a while, then you're either doing it because you hate my guts and I make you mad, or you kind of agree with a lot of what I'm saying, which means you'd be on the conservative side, the biblical side.

So hopefully that's the case. Yes. And I agree with a lot of what you say.

No, I don't hate your guts. Well, good. Good. I appreciate that.

No, I enjoy it for the short time that I get to listen. Okay. But yeah, that was it. I just wanted to grab your opinion on that and what your thoughts were.

I mean, there's other underlying factors, I'm sure. But it's been held off for this year because of COVID. It's going into next year that they're going to be voting on this.

Yeah. You can just watch them go. They're going to go south. They're going to go apostate. The only thing that can save them is a resurgence of the Holy Spirit and then them actually doing something new. I wish they would have me come in and speak and I would call them all to repentance to believe the word of God.

I'd have to have bodyguards to make sure they didn't hurt me physically. Right. But I would call them to repentance and I'd say, women pastors and elders, you're out of place. You need to leave now. Men, if you're not doing your job and calling women out, not condemning there being women pastors and elders, then you are disqualified from the elders, from the eldership.

You sit in the congregation of a good church and learn what it means to be a Christian. Oh yeah, that would upset people. But I would say it.

That's what needs to be said. Well, you've got guts then, if you would say it. I would.

And I appreciate that very much and I would stand behind you on that. Yeah. And then you'd be sitting in front of me while we're both running away.

Because behind me you'd turn around and we'd both run away. Yeah, possibly. Yes, that's what I thought of him. Yeah. I still got good vibes. It needs to be said. Okay, buddy. Alright, God bless. Thank you so much. Alright, God bless. Alright. Oops, sorry I cut him off there. Sorry about that.

Have a good day too. Let's get to Rose from Iowa. Rose, we lost Rose.

Let's get to next longest waiting person is Lee from Charlotte, North Carolina. Lee, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, hello. Hi.

I need your help. Okay. Do Christians of today keep the New Moon and all the other festivals in the Bible days to please God and to be saved? Do we have to do all these things again?

No. Because I've been in search for years and we don't do them. No, we don't keep any festivals to be saved. We don't do anything to be saved. We just believe and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.

We don't have to? That's right. We don't keep our salvation by our goodness or rituals or festivals or law keeping.

That's a false doctrine taught by cults. Oh, well I still appreciate it because I've been thinking, you know, whether it's right or wrong even though I've been doing it for fifty-some years. Well, you can do it. You can do it all you want and that's fine. If you're doing it because you want to do it, because you like doing it, then good.

If you're doing it to keep yourself saved, then it's bad. Okay. Okay.

So God won't put me in hell because I don't keep those feet. Right. You don't have to keep those.

You don't have to do them. Thank you so much and God bless you. Okay. Read Romans 14. Okay. Read Romans 14.

See what the Bible says about this stuff. Okay? Okay. Thank you very much. All right.

God bless. Bye-bye. Bye.

All right. Let's get to Kevin from Washington, D.C., where she lost Kevin. And last one here is Tom from Des Moines. They're dropping like flies. That's because the show's about over.

Hey, the three in a row we lost. That's all right. I hope you enjoyed the show and this is what we do. This is what we do for the newbies. So by God's grace, we're back on there tomorrow. If you have a question, if you have a comment, you want to call up, please do that. If you can, think about calling in the first part of the show because it's the last part that gets really busy. May the Lord bless you and by his incredible grace, hopefully, we'll be back on there tomorrow and we'll talk to you then. We'll see you. God bless everybody. Bye.