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Yes, thanks for taking my call, Matt. Sure. My question is about angels and demons and is there a difference? Let's go with that one first.

Let's do that one first. Is there a difference? Generally speaking, demonology is a study of all that kind of stuff. But there is within some Christian circles the possibility, as some say, some theologians say, there might be a possibility of the demons being the released spirits of the Nephilim and angels being something different. Angels being created beings directly by God's hand who then fell. They're fallen angels. And then some think that maybe the demons are, like I said, the released half-breed spirits of the Nephilim that were released are in Genesis flood. And one of the reasons they say that is because the demons seem to have a need to inhabit bodies of some sort. Jesus cast them into the swine and things like that. So that's one of the theories about that. Okay.

All right. But would you say that's more along the lines of like Greek mythology rather than like scriptural support? No, because the idea of the fallen angels interbreeding with women is something that early church held unanimously and also the Jews held throughout their centuries of existence back in that time.

Also we see in Genesis 6, 9 it says that Noah was perfect in all his generations or his ancestry. And then we think that that's a hint about the idea of the fallen angels. And so also if you go to, excuse me, Daniel 2, 43, I believe it is with the Nebuchadnezzar statue, the feet and the clay image, that part is supposed to be the end times duration as it's represented in that symbol. And it says there they will combine in the seat of man. And the they can't be the seat of man.

So there's something that that may draw a parallel to the idea of what was happening with the Nephilim. And though some people say that's ridiculous, angels can't do that. Nothing in the Bible says they can't do that. Some will say, well, it says the angels don't marry. Well, you don't need to be married.

It's not an issue of marriage. Angels can appear in human form and you can't even tell the difference. They can manifest hairs on arms and irises that dilate and hairs on our heads as it says that people have entertained angels unaware. So when you're around people, you're an expert on what people look like.

That's what you do. You look, you see. And so when it says that, you can't even tell. So they have this ability, some of them do, have this ability to take human form.

So how far does that human form go? And we don't have an answer for that. But this is what the early church has taught. This seems to be what it is.

And it is what I hold to. That the Nephilim are the half-breed, offspring half-breed. Okay. So is there such thing as like the fallen angels are the ones that are bound and all the loose ones or unbound ones, those are the demons?

No. The fallen angels are those who are not elected by God to stay in heaven. And you can see that the elect angels, I think it's 1 Timothy 5.21 or 2 Timothy, I think it's 1 Timothy 5.21, and talks about the elect angels, the eklektoi, the ones who are elected to not fall.

And the other ones just fell. So they are that class of sentient beings created by God, just called angels in that sense, the created beings called angels. And so that's that. And then it looks like they had a they had a breeding program going on to destroy the messianic line, which is one of the reasons the flood came, was to wipe them out, because it was the enemy's attempt from the very beginning to thwart the plan of God. Okay.

Okay. I think that's all the questions I have. Just, God was trying to say that the fallen angels, all of them are bound completely in Tartarus, while the demons are free to roam right now, you know, on the earth. And there was a difference between demons and the fallen angels.

Well, I don't know if that's the case. I'm not an expert in demon demonology. But I've not seen where it states that they are all bound. In Matthew 12, 22 through 32, Jesus talks about binding the strong man, and he relates the strong man to the devil. So Jesus stated that in order to plunder the house, the strong man must first be bound.

And the context of what he was talking about was exorcising demons, demonic presence, out of people. And so Jesus says that the strong man, Satan, must be bound in order for this to occur. That's what he said, Matthew 12, 22 through 32, since he was casting out demons, the logical implication is that Satan was bound. So that really surprises a lot of people, particularly when they think that in the future millennial reign of Christ, Satan will be bound, but Jesus said he was already bound.

And that's Matthew 12, 22 through 32. So when we look at this, the binding doesn't mean that they don't have an ability to do anything. We don't even know exactly what it means to be bound, to what degree. It doesn't mean they can't do, can't send angelic floats up, we just don't know.

But there is a restriction in the movement. When it does talk about Satan being unbound, it says that the implication is that he will deceive the nations. So there's a binding with his ability to be able to do things, and then an unbinding, and the eschatological result is the nations being deceived to work together to move against Israel. And then it says, you know, also some theologians think that this is also the time we have wars and rumors of wars. And so some all millennialists, those who believe that the millennial reign of Christ is a figurative period of time that began with Christ in his first coming and will end at his second coming. And part of the evidence of that is that Satan is bound, and it's stated that he's bound by what Jesus said he was. So there's that. And then some all millennialists think that Satan has been let loose towards the end of the millennial reign. Now when people think the word millennium, they automatically think it has to be a literal 1,000 years.

That's not the case. It could be, but not necessarily. Because when you go to Revelation 20, it says, I saw an angel, that would be literal, coming down from heaven, that would be literal, holding the key of the abyss, that would be figurative. There is no literal key like we would hold in our pockets or hands. A key of the abyss and a great chain would be literal in his hand. Angels don't have hands.

They're spirit beings. That's figurative. The chain is going to be figurative, and the hand is figurative.

He laid hold of the dragon. That's figurative. The serpent of old, that would be literal. Who is a devil and Satan? That's literal.

And bound him for 1,000 years. Well, is it literal or figurative? Well, because it says that there's figurative and literal usage within that context. So you have to be careful and not say, well, it just means a literal 1,000 years.

We don't know that. So these are just some of the things that—you know, I've got to say this. I've just got to say this. I'm going to lose callers.

I'm going to lose listeners. But there is an eschatological view that's floating around premillennialism combined with pre-Trib rapture. It's a pre-Trib rapture thing I have a problem with. More and more as I look to that issue, I find it to be problematic. It's a relatively new view, less than a couple hundred years old.

But because it's new doesn't mean it's not true. I find nothing in scripture that says that Christians are going to escape judgment on the earth. But what I'm concerned about is the pre-Trib rapture view is people then become lackadaisical, lazy, and they don't work hard to convert the world. When things get bad, they want to hide and wait for the rapture. And that's a huge problem.

I find it to be problematic. It's a huge problem, I think, that the Christian church in its desire to be comfortable here in America has latched on to the comfort me idea of pre-Trib rapture. We're going to get out of it.

We have all the water we need, all the food we need, all the TV we need, and everything else that we need. And so therefore we're going to be pre-Trib rapture because that's what we need also. And this is not, I don't see this being biblical. I'd be glad to do a public debate on pre-Trib versus post-Trib rapture. I would. I'd have formal public debate on it in a loving manner.

But I've not had anybody ever take me up on it in years and years and years of asking that periodically. But nevertheless, it's a problem. And when we hear this stuff about demons and angels being bound and loosed, there is room for debate. There honestly is room for debate. But we need to be careful not to put our hopes in pre-Trib rapture.

I hope it's true, but we've got to make sure we don't put our hopes in that. And we need to make sure that we're aware of all these demonic, eschatological things related. Oh, it kind of took a tangent there, but go ahead.

Sorry. I mean, I was just going back more to angels. You know, I was always taught that God created angels, they're created beings, they're spirit beings.

And then they fell, they sinned, the devil sinned, and some went along with him. So I never draw through a distinction between fallen angels and demons, demons being the souls of the Nephilim, or the half-breed. You know, I was just taught fallen angels are spirits, demons are spirit beings. Angels are spirits and demons are spirits.

Yep. But you said there the Nephilim, the offspring of that. The Nephilim are the biological descendants of the fallen angels that had relations with women and produced physical offspring. They were becoming too populous, and it looks like the flood was there in part to destroy them. And then it looks like upon death, their spirits were freed, and some say that those are the demons.

This is one of the theories. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everyone, welcome back to the show. We have three open lines if you want to join. 877-207-2276. Give me a call. Let's get to Chuck from North Carolina. Chuck, welcome. You're on the air.

Hello. Yes, sir, Matt. I was curious about Matthew chapter 22 verses 23 through 33. Now, I know it's a lot, but it's when the Sadducees asked him about the seven wives, and they all had her and whose wife would be being resurrected. Now, my question is, on 29 through 33, and I'm reading from the ESV, where Jesus answered them, you are wrong because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. According to resurrection, they neither marry or given marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Okay, I can understand that, that you neither have male or female, it appears. And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God? I'm the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. And when the crowd heard these things, they were astonished at his teaching. Now, what does he mean, God of the dead, but God of living? I mean, I agree, agree that, you know, he's God of the living.

I possess eternal life right now. Well, what's your question, though? I'm trying to understand your question. Well, what, okay, what, okay, yeah, I'll rephrase it. Why does he say I'm the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? Okay, not the God of the dead, the God of the living, because the Sadducees did not believe. They believed in soul sleep. Okay. Yeah, it's a soul sleep idea.

Oh, did they? Wow. And so he said it's not the, but the God, yeah, it's the God of the living. Yeah. So the SDA is wrong. Annihilationists are wrong. Soul sleepers are wrong. Yeah. Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong. Right.

Uh-huh. Well, what did they believe? How long was their soul going to be asleep?

Well, okay, how old, what? Ask that again, please. How long did the Sadducees believe that their soul would be asleep? Until the resurrection. That's what I understand that they taught. So hopefully, you know, hopefully I'm correct. It's been a long time since I've studied with the Sadducees. That's all right.

Sure. But so, you know, they were trying to trap Jesus, and he was just saying, you know, you don't understand the scriptures, uh, in the resurrection of the married or given in marriage, right? Whose wife will she be? They're implying that she's, they're going to be married in heaven. She goes, you don't get that.

You know, you're wrong. And then he says, uh, I'm the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the God of the living, not the dead. And so it's a shot at the idea of soul sleep. Ah, yeah.

Cause Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were, were alive then when Jesus spoke to them. All right. I got kind of a thick head. It's two inch skull back.

So it's hard to get through. That's okay. It's all right. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it, brother.

Yep. I appreciate it. Great show. Love your show. Well, great. I'm glad you do. All right.

We'll see. God bless. All right. That was Chuck from North Carolina. Let's get on the line with Cruno. That's kind of a cool name.

Cruno from Florida. If that's your real name. What's up, buddy? Hey, how's it going, Matt? It's going. Um, great. Hey, great. Um, you know, thanks for doing what you do every day.

I really encourage you because you really need it today in Christianity. Um, I want to ask you something. Have you ever heard of Dr. Michael Heiser? Yeah.

Um, yeah. It's what you were talking about. You know, it's, uh, uh, Dr. Michael Heiser, Dr. Michael Heiser, he wrote a book, uh, uh, on the realm and I'm just, just curious, what do you think about him? If you heard of him or, well, I've not read any hardly ever is his stuff. It's just too many, so many other things, but he's known with the issue of the, of the divine council. And this is something that the Mormons have latched onto and others.

And, um, um, you know, I've done a little bit of research about him on this. He, from what I remember and hope I'm remembering it correctly. He does not affirm polytheism. He's just talking about this thing as a divine council, which is, uh, God, there is the head. And because God is in there divine, uh, then they call it the divine council, uh, where there's an angelic realm and archangels and stuff like that. So if that's, if I remember correctly, then there's no problem with that. I understand the logic, the terminology is the issue and needs to be clarified, but, um, uh, you know, we have to be careful. I don't want to imply in any way there's any other God besides the true living God or any other beings that are divine divinity is something that belongs to the very nature of God himself. And that belongs to him alone.

There is no, uh, um, other divine being other than the one single holy God who is the Trinity. Okay. Yeah. So, so how you mentioned that, you know, uh, is basically he agrees with that, with that, you know, how you mentioned about the angels.

However, the angels is the job description, right? It's a messenger. It's not who it is or what it is. So the way he explains it in the book is if there's many gods, but there's only one God, Yahweh, with a certain attribute of who Yahweh is, right?

Yeah. There's many gods in this sense that they're false gods. They're not really gods by nature.

So Moloch is considered a God, but he's not really existing. It's a demonic thing. Well, he's not a demon. So there's like a difference between demons. Like you were saying, like he mentioned that, you know, the demons are basically faster children, all the, the, the, you know, the Nephilim, the Nephilim be somebody's spirit.

I mean, pretty much what you hold, he holds the same thing. You know, he just, and he explained that he has the book of angels and book of demons. I was just wondering, so you haven't read none of his work, but very similar to what you're saying, you know, and, uh, it just, I think when you, uh, mentioned God and the way he mentioned the angels, he would say, well, the angels is the job description, but they were gods. And in Jewish thinking at that time, they were thinking they were gods. They were just no gods, like Yahweh. So when God says, I'm a god of gods, was he really saying, I'm a god of no gods?

Because I'm greater than those gods if they don't really exist. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. What we need to understand is that there's only one, uh, being who is God, one God, and he's a Trinity and that's it, period.

And no one else possesses divinity in spite of what, what the Eastern Orthodox think about theosis. So that's it. Okay. And the phraseology is problematic and how it used to be used. Okay.

It basically boils down to, um, how we are conditioned to think of what, uh, the deity is and how they thought 2000 or 3000, 4000 years ago, you know? And that's what I think Michael Heiser gets into. I would definitely recommend, you know, like reading some of these books, because he really explains how that is. And, um, I've never heard you say anything about him, so I didn't know, you know, about him, but I think it really puts everything in perspective, how it is and divine counsel.

Like you were talking about, you're right on what you, what you said at the beginning about him. Okay. All right. All right. Thanks, man.

Okay. Thank you. Hey folks.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. Let's get to Brent from Arizona.

Brent, you're on the air. Oops. Hi there. I got the wrong one. Oh, I go to the back. Can you hold on because I was cutting the other guy. All right. Sorry about that, man.

We'll get right back to you afterwards. Okay. Sorry. I don't do that very often, but I just did.

Adam from Virginia. Sorry about that, buddy. Okay. Oh, no, you're totally fine. It's fine. Thanks.

Uh, yes, sir. Um, well, uh, first off, um, I just wanted to, again, say thank you for everything you do and done. Um, and, uh, I basically, for the past two months, um, or two months ago, I was, um, saved. Um, I was saved years ago.

I'm 40 years old now. And, um, I, I guess backslidden is, I guess, the word you'd use. Um, you know, I've always, you know, prayed when I could or had faith and you always, you know, try to, you know, thank the Lord for everything that's given to me and even things that I don't get, I always look for a reason behind it, why it didn't happen. So, um, I was, uh, saved about two months ago, rich friend of mine. Um, he's in the ministry and he's really, I think he's doing a great job.

And there was a couple, there was one major thing that kind of, uh, scared me a little bit. Um, and maybe we could break, um, he's, he's a kind of, he's very aggressive when it comes to, I don't know if it makes any sense, uh, when it comes to speaking the word or going into, um, descriptions of certain things in the Bible, um, such as, for example, um, like my wife, you know, she's Catholic and, you know, it's not like we go to church every weekend and obviously we're, I'm looking for a church now myself. Um, but, um, obviously our whole family wants everybody to go, but, um, she, we had a conversation and stay away from the Catholic church. Just stay away from the Catholic church.

It's not, it's not Christian. Yeah. Um, no, that, that is actually, uh, okay. So you actually, uh, met that up with the same thing. My friend said, um, so basically we have a question though. Yes.

Yeah. The question was, is my wife, um, had told me, she's, she said that, um, when, as long as she says she does good deeds and she does good things and, you know, she prays, she asks God for forgiveness whenever she makes any mistakes or any kind of sins. And, you know, she always goes back to that, you know, prayer every, every night, every morning. And there were certain things that my friend told me that needed to be done, or you have to strive every day to serve the Lord.

And you can't just, like you said earlier, just checklist a couple of things off that you've done in the past couple of weeks. And okay, I'm going to heaven. So yeah.

Can you formulate a question for me here? Yes, sir. Um, is it, is it true that when, um, or your belief or your opinion, that if you don't try to serve the Lord every day, and that court, that can be anything, but if you just do a couple of things during the weekend, don't really try to serve him and you just kind of forget that he's even there. Um, and then you come back on Sunday and you pray and you do your church thing, I guess. Um, do you believe that, uh, that person has a less chance or better chance of going to heaven than someone that has served him on a daily basis? And another judgment, I don't want to be that way, but let me jump in because what you're espousing there is a false gospel.

Okay. I don't think you believe a false gospel. Maybe you do.

Maybe you don't. Uh, people can be saved and just be ignorant about certain things. Um, what you do and how many times you go to church has nothing to do with whether or not you go to heaven.

Serving God during the week or not serving him during the week has nothing to do with whether or not it brings you to go to heaven or maintains your salvation. This is all false gospel stuff. Let me explain what is going on.

Let me put it together for you. You are a sinner. I'm a sinner.

We're in the same boat. What we need is to have our sins forgiven so that we can be with the Lord. How is it that we have our sins forgiven? The way our sins are forgiven is by trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, God in flesh, who died on the cross rose from the dead.

We trust in what he did. We received Christ, John 1 13. And therefore by doing this, by trusting in Christ, being saved by faith, Ephesians 2, 8, 9, we're then justified. Justification is a legal standing of righteousness according to the law. It's a legal standing of righteousness according to the law. So you have lied.

I have lied. So we have both broken that law. We need to be justified. When God looks at us on the day of judgment, we want him to not see our law breaking, which is sin, verse John 3 4. Sin is breaking the law of God. So we don't want that. We don't want that in our account. We don't want that held to us. We don't want God to say, you still have sin on you, and you're going to hell.

We don't want that. How is this sin, so to speak, removed? It's removed by faith in Christ.

It's actually removed by the blood of Christ. It cleanses us from sin, 1 John 1 7. And he canceled our sin debt on the cross, Colossians 2 14. But we obtain justification or the legal aspect of God's positioning us right according to the law. This is by faith alone in Christ alone. The Bible says in Romans 3 28, we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. Apart from the works of the law. Now, Jesus says that the law and the prophets were summarized in the two commandments of the Old Testament law, love God and love your neighbor. He said that in Matthew 22, 37 to 40. So when Paul says we're justified by faith apart from the works of the law, we're justified by faith apart from loving God and loving your neighbor.

Period. We're not justified before God because we love God or because we love our neighbor or because we go to church or because we take sacraments or because we get baptized or because we don't do something bad three days in a row or because we do some nice things three days in a row. All of that is of the cults and false doctrine. We go to heaven because of faith in Christ Jesus and God grants that we believe, Philippians 1 29. He grants that we have repentance, 2 Timothy 2 25. So if you're justified before God, it's because God has granted you that. And if you're justified, that means your sin debt is canceled. All of your sin debt, your whole life, past, present and future is canceled at the cross. You're justified when you believe.

Period. You could laze around for two, three weeks, not even think of God and you're still saved. But let me say this, that what happens with justification, salvation is also something called regeneration. We're caused to be born again. 1 Peter 1 3. We're born again, not by our own will, but by the will of God. 1 John 1 12. So because you're regenerated, you can't just sit around for two weeks and do nothing.

You can't. I mean, technically you could, but because that's not what saves you or keeps you saved. But I mean, if you're a Christian, you know, you sit around for two weeks. Maybe you're on a vacation, not in the Caribbean and you're sitting around two weeks because you've had four years of heavy work like I have and don't have a vacation.

Would love to sit and do nothing except stare at the waves and go, Hey, look at that wave for five days straight, which I'd love to do. Well, I'm not serving God right there. Is it not saved? No. Okay. So you see that that's the idea. Okay.

That's, that's what's going on. You're justified by faith alone in Christ alone. Your wife going to the Catholic church is basically going to a gigantic, humongous worldwide cult. It teaches a false gospel. And it says in paragraph 2068, or the catechism of the Catholic church, that we obtain salvation by faith, baptism, and the observance of the commandments and the observance of the commandments. Paragraph 2036 and 2070, it says in the catechism, it says that you've got to, uh, is that the, uh, the keep in the natural law is necessary for salvation. And that an expression of the natural laws, the 10 commandments would say you're going to keep the 10 commandments to be saved. But the Bible says a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. And Romans 4, 5, uh, Paul, the apostle said, we maintain to the one who does not work, but believes in him who justifies ungodly his faith as credited as righteousness.

That's what's going on. So you can be a lazy bum and you're still saved. Period.

But the regeneration of your heart and God living in you, it's difficult to be a lazy bum. Wouldn't allow me. Yeah. I wouldn't say it wouldn't allow, but I see where you're coming from with that. Yeah, absolutely. Good. Absolutely. Thank you so much. That, that was a great answer there. I didn't know how to get the question out because it's all right. Okay.

Thank you so much for the answer. I appreciate it. But let me ask you, have you been to my website, calm.org?

No, sir, but I would love to check it out. Oh, you heretic. You got to go there. Okay. Um, that's why I said everybody, when I go to go to a seminar, how many have been to calm.org and the hands raise up and I go, the rest of you, you're all heretics and every left.

So, agreed. So go to calm.org, C a R M dot O R G and look there for the, uh, the section on Christian doctrine and just go through the Christian doctrine section. And you can also go to the article. Uh, you know, you'll find it, uh, Jesus saves and read up on stuff. Just read, read, read, read. And I give a lot of scripture. You check whatever I say against the word of God. Don't believe some guy in the radio with his last name slick.

That's dangerous. You got to believe the word of God. So you check everything I say against the word of God, but I'll tell you, I've been to this for 40 years debating and teaching this stuff incessantly. And I know what justification is, imputation, propitiation. I can relate all of them to the difference with that and the sanctification and the issue of God's salvation and work. So what I told you is biblical theology. I quoted you the verses and when you find a church, I'm going to find a church with no women pastors and elders. That's bad.

And one that teaches justification by faith alone in Christ alone. And then you can check it out. Okay. Amen to that, sir.

Very much. All right, Adam. God bless buddy. God bless sir. Thank you.

All right. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Welcome back to the show, Brent. Sorry about that from earlier, Brent, but thanks for waiting.

You are on the air. That's okay. Yeah.

Hopefully a fairly quick question. When the unsaved die, do they go to some kind of like, I guess, quote unquote, holding cell or do they go directly to hell until the judgment or where exactly do they go? There's debate on that. And some say Tartarus out of second Peter two eight, I believe it is.

Or is it two, two four. And so that's one view. But, and then some say that they go to hell later and hell's cast in outer darkness. So there's a little bit of debate on that, but I would just say this, that the wicked go to a bad place where there's suffering, agony.

When Jesus told the story, not the parable, but the story of Lazarus and the rich man, the rich man, not because he was rich, but the rich man went to a place of fire and torment. So that's where they would go. Now, could we call that hell? I would say so. Is it the final abode?

Perhaps. And when I've studied this, I've not been able to, to my own satisfaction, study it to the point where I go, I have a definite answer and I believe this or that. So I just say that they go to a bad place.

It's torturous and it'll continue for eternity. Okay. So it's not scripturally exactly a hundred percent clear then?

Right. Not a hundred percent clear like for justification is in salvation. The terms are used a little bit interchangeably, you know, second Peter 2.4, for if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell, that's the word hell in English, but in Greek it's tartarus. I think it's a literal Greek is tartarau. Yeah. And so in a tartarus, well, that's the only place the word occurs in the entire Bible in Greek, right there, that one word. Well, tartarus has to do with, um, uh, actually it's by the Greeks. The Greeks believe in a subterranean place, lower than Hades. Yeah.

And so, and the river sticks and you'd pass over the river sticks, right? Right. So when Peter's talking about this, we have to understand that he's not saying that all of Greek mythology is correct. He's using the term that was common because of Greek theology, Greek mythology that was around and prevalent. And as he's addressing people, he's using terms that are common. So like we might say the word hell, you know, go to, you know, H-E double toothpicks, as people would say. Uh, and well, what does it mean? Well, a lot of times of people that won't understand the varying degrees of, of its intensity.

And so there's a similar thing here. He's just using the word tartarus as that place of the abode of the wicked, which is a bad place. And that's the sense in which, uh, it seems to be used because it says it committed him to pits of darkness reserved for judgment. And that's what he's talking about in there.

Okay. Then what is this belief that Jesus went to hell when he died? That's always puzzled me.

That doesn't make any sense. He's sinless. He wouldn't go to hell. So he's crucified or is that a Catholic thing? No, it's a creedal thing.

Or he was in hell for a day or two and then came out of hell. I'm like, huh, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. It's a creedal thing. Uh, where, um, it's, I think it's like the apostles creed and let me see really fast.

Uh, let's see into, yeah. Uh, so the apostles creed, which is very, very early on, uh, the first couple of hundred years, it says, uh, I believe in God, the father almighty, the creator of heaven and earth, and Jesus Christ, his only son, our Lord, who was conceived of the Holy spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell.

The third day he was again from the dead. That's where that came from. So yeah, from the apostles creed. So when they say hell, what does it mean?

It means the earth, the bad, not the bad place necessarily, but the, the abode. And so that's all that it's saying there. So modern theologians. He was literally physically in the ground.

Right. So his body was now, but there is some debate and some discussion about some stuff that goes on, because when they were with this creed, they weren't just saying he was just, his body was just in the grave because if you go to, um, first Peter, two 20, let's see first Peter three, um, it says, uh, for Christ died once for all verse 19, um, in wit and the spirit in which he made proclamation of the spirits now in prison, who was disobedient in the time of Noah. So it looks like he descended and made proclamation to the people either in Tartarus, if you want to use that word or the abode of the wicked, uh, that were there and made proclamation.

This is why you're in the state you're in and what's going on. And then some theologians think that Jesus then went to the holding place where the Christians or people who died in faith were, and then led captive. The host of captives Ephesians four eight, the following says, so we don't know exactly how it all works, but these are the theories that are behind this. He did it into hell. And so maybe went and made proclamation. He was in that place as, as it was commonly held at the place was down in the earth someplace. And this is why.

So we have these moronic lame, uh, positive confession teachers who will say that Jesus went to hell and suffered for our sins in hell and finished him and then arose in the dead. And that is blasphemy. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you so much.

Blessings to you. Okay. Well, thank you. Well, God bless again. Okay. All right.

Let's get to Mr. Mims from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. How are you doing? I'm doing all right.

What do you got? All right. Yeah. Well, I was calling about my question today is, uh, they are the savior of the world, Jesus Christ. If that name is Greek and Latin, what is the original Hebrew name?

Well, we don't know what the original Hebrew name is because it's not recorded in scripture. Uh huh. So I heard you were talking about the Christian church, the Christianity falls right up onto the Catholic church.

No, no. The Catholic church is not a true Christian church. It's a false church. It teaches a false gospel and promotes idolatry.

So it's not a true Christian church. Okay. So the name of, the name of Jesus has recorded in scripture is, uh, in Matthew 1 21, where it says she will bear a son and you shall call his name Jesus, which in Greek is pronounced Iesous.

Okay. But Jesus is Greek, Christ is Latin. So how can that be his name?

That's what it says his name is. It says it right there in the Bible. Do you believe the Bible?

Do you believe the Bible? I have a question. I have a question. How is it that is received from Israel and Jerusalem? How can his name be in Greek and Latin? It's not Greek and Latin.

That's not correct. It's not correct to say Greek and Latin. The Greek name, which is what we have, is recorded in Matthew 1 21. It says you shall call his name. And it says it in Greek, Iesous. Do you believe that that is what the Bible says there? If you get a Hebrew Bible.

Can you answer my question? Do you believe that that's what it says right there in the Greek? Which is what the New Testament is written in. Do you believe that's what it says? Yes. Okay. Do you believe it? Okay. So then do you believe it? Well, no, because when I say that, how can that be? Wait a minute, wait a minute.

Hold on. You don't believe what the Bible says. You said you believe the Bible, but that's what it says in the Bible, but you don't believe it. But the name is not his original name. How do you know it's not his original name?

That's what it says. You shall call his name Jesus. So do you call his name Jesus? If you go to a Hebrew Bible... Do you call his name Jesus? Do you call his name Jesus? I call the name Jehoshua Hamashiach. Well, hold on.

I'm asking you a question. Hold on, hold on, hold on. It says you shall call his name, and in the Greek, Iesous. Do you call him Iesous, or in English, Jesus? Which is what the Bible says.

I call it Jesus. No, I go to a quadratic. So then you don't... So you disobey the Bible? Okay, I'm just making sure. No, no. Yes, you do.

Okay, you do. You disobey God's Word. That's what it says right there. We don't have any Hebrew New Testament. It wasn't written in Hebrew. It's written in Greek. So why do you disobey the Word of God?

Okay, if you're from, if you're from North Calama, if you're from North Calama, how could somebody give you a name from China? That doesn't make me see it. So that's not his name. My question is, my question is, why do you disobey the command of God? You shall call his name Jesus. You judge the Word of God. You say, you go to a Hebrew thing. That's not what we have in the Greek. The Greek is what God chose to have it written in. That's what it says, and you disobey it.

What else do you disobey about God's Word? Do you think man would have changed that? The Greek and the Latin wouldn't change.

Romans wouldn't change. Okay, let me tell you this. I mean this with respect, you know, respectfully to you as a human being, but you're not educated in this. You've been misled and misinformed by the Hebrew Israelite people. So you need to abandon that.

What the Bible says is, she will bear a son, she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. That is what we have. Why do you disobey that?

That's my question. Okay, what is why I look at, because the name, the name Jesus Christ in the origin is Greek and Latin. It says, it says, it says, it says in the Greek, that's what we have. God chose to have the New Testament written in the Greek. God ordained it was in the Greek. God said to do this in the Greek. God have been writing in the Greek.

That's what it is. Excuse me. God did this, and in the Greek it says you shall call his name Jesus. So why are you disobeying God himself, since God ordained it be written in Greek and called his name Jesus? Why do you disobey him?

Because, because the Catholic's willing to change a lot of things. Oh, so you just admitted, you just admitted you disobey him because you said you disobeyed because. So now you're admitting you disobey God.

Now what's God you're talking about? Okay, let's move along. Adam from California. We lost Adam. Let's get to Cammie from California. Cammie, welcome. You are on the air. Hi, thank you so much for taking my call.

You're welcome. Can you hear me? Um, my, my question is, um, what happens to me when I, when, during the, during the rapture, what happens to my body? It is resurrected into a glorified body at the rapture. Okay, well my, it's not like I turn into, cause I was reading about in the tinkling of an eye, we're not going to all sleep or, but we'll all be changed. So something happens to my body. I don't become spiritual body.

I'm still. Well, technically you do become spiritual because in 1st Corinthians 15, 35 to 45, it talked about the resurrected body being the spiritual body. In that terminology. Yes. But it's a physical body.

You have a physical body, but it'll be glorified at that point. Okay. Okay. Which is a little nerve wracking. Why would it be nerve wracking? I don't know. I don't know.

I think because I think that's very earthly minded and suddenly caught up would be, Oh, I know. I'm afraid of heights. I have really bad acrophobia.

I got stuck in a tree when I was a kid. Well, I would, I'm just going to assume that during that, that all those weird phobias and fears and stuff just vanish with us. We'll be, we'll be with them. It'll be fine.

Well, praise the Lord. Thank you so much. Okay. You're welcome so much. God bless. All right.

That was Kami from California. Hey, we're out of time. May the Lord bless you. And by his grace, we'll be back on here tomorrow and we'll talk to you then. We'll see you.