Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want to give me a call, it is easy as usual. All you got to do is dial 877-207-2276.

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Now, I was talking to a friend of mine today about. Hate mail. Yeah. And uh it it's sad. Uh I don't get email anymore.

Apparently I don't. I haven't seen any. I'm going to check my email. I'm gonna open up my emailing program and hopefully there's some hate mailing in.

Now, why do I say that? Because I love hate mail. And I've had, in fact, the people I've talked to today was at a place where they work.

So friends of mine. And they said, man, you know, we missed the hate mail on the radio. I said, yeah, I know, me too.

So, you know, I could always resurrect some old hate mail and read it. I enjoy that kind of thing. But um You know, oh well, you know, wishing doesn't make something come true. All right, like I said, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276.

Now, tonight, in a couple of hours, I am supposed to be on an atheist uh show for an interview and um I'm looking to see if I have the link yet because when I get the link He wants to email it to me, then I'll put it up on the I guess the carm.org forward slash calendar. and where we do things like that.

So I haven't I'm looking right now, I don't see it. And uh there you go, I don't see it, don't see it.

Alright.

So, no, I don't see it.

Okay, well, you know, we'll just see what happens. All right, like I said, hey, give me a call: 877-207-2276. Let's get to Clinton from Virginia. Clinton, welcome. You're on the air.

Good afternoon, young man. I called yesterday talking about women and the deaconship. Yes, and um I didn't have that direct well Oh. We got some of them in our church too, and I've been to other churches. And I had a gentleman tell me straight up, he goes, I don't care if a monkey Takes my money from the church, I don't care.

He goes, All you gotta do is rattle the church And I was you gotta be kidding me.

So anyway, I just want to throw that in there. I mean, that's crazy. I mean, so is it the deacons who run the the offering s part of the service? They go and they pass the plate, is that it? That's it.

When you have your own.

Okay.

So then he's saying he doesn't believe what God's word tells us to do. That's what he's saying.

Well, I don't think half of it even go there, even believe any of that. They just. I just can't tell you guys to go there and just go hello to pastors um Yeah. Speaking and then you sing a song and put your money in it and go outside and light a cigarette up and go home. Yeah, a lot of times a church has become a social institution and the gospel is not preached.

And so people think they're People think they're saved and they're not. There's a lot of heresies creeping in. In fact, I deal a lot with Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, too, but a lot more in the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox realm and with their incredible heresies. But lately, it's coming up more and more on the heresies that are taught in. of Protestant pulpits.

And I'm getting more interested in those kind of things, like what you're saying. Again, what you're saying right there. Yeah, and it's not. Is it heresy? Shit, X The main reason I called because I was reading This is Genesis 6.

Chapter six, verse four. He's talking about the Nephilims or Nephilims, how you want to say it? Nephilims. They were on the earth. Yeah, the Nephilims.

Nephilims, and they were on the earth, right? And he says that the sons of God. They went with the daughters of men and had children by them.

So I couldn't understand that and I looked up and talked to you about going to see Luke 17, 27. And of course, that's talking about when Lot and Noah, just like where everybody was partying. having such relationships. And Noah, the flood killed him. And Lot, when he got Lot out of Simon and Gomorrah, it was destroyed.

But then I couldn't still put it together. of that verse. And in chapter six verse Four. about Only thing I'm looking at is were they angels?

Okay, so What the dominant view of the church has been. The first few centuries is that it was the fallen angels that had relations with women. And produced the offspring called the Nephilim. This is what the Jews always taught, and this is the position I hold as well. And so If you go to Genesis 6 and you read, you'd see a particularly interesting verse.

in verse 9. These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time, or you could also say, blameless in his generations. And what it seems to be No defect in his generations. It seems to imply the idea that his lineage was not corrupted.

which supports this I did an affiliate.

Okay, now there's more.

So when Daniel.

Okay.

Right.

Okay, go ahead. No, I was just I just dug up and looked in it, and according to archaeologists. They said that was just a myth that the so-called Napoleon never even existed. No, that's not true. It's just right.

No, it's not true.

Now, the Nephilim exist, and what they are exactly is the thing debated. It's mentioned in the Bible many times, but the Nephilim are there.

So anyone who would say, no, they never existed, just look, just dismiss them. They don't know what they're talking about.

Okay, I always just making sure that yeah, kinda putting one and one together. Yes.

Now what's interesting is that when you go to Daniel 2.43, Daniel 2.43 is talking about the end times, and it says they will combine with one another in the seed of man, but they will not adhere to one another.

So they can't be people. They will combine with one another in the seed of men. But they won't come here themselves. And so this is interesting because it looks like towards the end of times it's going to be like this again, which is what you were looking at in Luke 17. It says it was in days of Noah.

It'll be like that again, and it's coming out of mainland. And two minutes in the field, one is taken, one is left. And that's the wicked who are taken. It's not the good in this context. It's the wicked who are taken, they're taken to a place of destruction.

So This is what seems to be the case, taught from the Bible.

Okay.

And just think, people don't believe that either. A lot of people don't. But, you know, the Bible prophesies that there'll be a f an apostasy, a falling away from the truth.

So that that's he that's coming. Mhm. Yes, it is. It's coming real quick. Quicker than I was expecting.

I'm only seventy one. I mean, I'm seventy one and what I've seen coming up. It's like It's unbelievable. I mean, on one hand, you hear where they go, Oh, this is going to be the new coming of our people that are asking for the Lord, and it's going to be unbelievable. And other times you hear it's going like.

People aren't even worried about God and don't believe in Jesus or none of that.

So, which one is it? I mean, who knows, right?

Well, more and more coming to faith, or less and less coming to faith?

Well, I couldn't tell you. I don't know what the answer is to that one. I do know. I do know that the apostasy is coming. And you deal with that.

But you know we'll we'll figure things out you know as as they go Yeah. That's right. All right, Matt.

Well, look, thank you very much. And I know you've got somebody else online, and I'll let you go. And if I come up with something else, I'll give you a call.

Sounds good, brother.

Alright Matt, thank you. You're welcome, God bless.

Alright.

Now, let's get to Jordan. Rafter, I give you the phone number to call 877-207-2276. Jordan from New Mexico, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, I called on Friday and we were talking about the Trinity before.

Everything got finished. Everything. All right. You referred me to your page, and I loved it. I loved the.

the reference. I appreciate that. Um My question that I still have is like, um, I'm trying to understand how do you think we should define person In the Trinity, because I know that, like, some people want to, like, St. John in Damascus. Wants to define it as a principle, and Thomas Aquinas wants to define it as a relation.

And other people want to define it like the social Trinitarians. They'll define it in a different way, which will lead to Tritheism. How do you think like the safest way we could define personal Simple. God is the Trinity is one being who exists as three simultaneous distinct persons. They are not three minds And we understand their differentiation or their distinction.

by their relation to one another. The Father sent the Son, the Father and the Son, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Only the Son became incarnate, the Holy Spirit convicts, etc., the Father elects. The Sun redeems.

So we see their relationship to each other, and that's how we are able to form distinction. When you said what you know, what does person mean? Person is dealing with what we call, to be tautologists here, the characteristics of personhood.

so they have a will, can think, can speak. Can recognize others and things like that. And these are all said of each person of the Trinity.

However, Since God is one being, God has one mind. The Trinity is one mind. And so we would see then in the person of Christ in the Incarnation, where he has a human and a divine nature, he has a human will and the divine will. Therefore the person of Christ In the area of the two natures, would each have a will, and this is called dithelitism. Di meaning to thele oh to will.

So di-theletism, the two wills.

However, the characteristics of those are attributed to the single person of Christ in one will.

So Jesus would say in Luke 22, 42, To the Father, Not my will, but your will be done. Because Jesus is the The union of the divine nature and a human nature. and not a combining and not a melding, but a union they remain distinct. And The person of Christ has the attributes of both of those natures.

So he is a person with a will. And he would be under the law, Galatians 4:4, submitting to the will of the Father, etc., etc.

So, anyway, back to the Trinity. The Trinity is one being, with one essence, the Divine Essence is triune in its nature. and we r we recognize the single mind of God manifested in the simultaneous and distinct persons when we discover their relationship to each other. The way I like to illustrate it quickly is to say time is comprised of past, present, and future. and each one of those aspects is time by nature, But we would not say there's three times, but one thing that is time that we recognize as past, present, future due to their relationship to each other.

The past is yesterday. The future is tomorrow. Today is the present.

So the distinction remains in the idea of time being one essence and one thing.

So hold on, brother. I hope that helps. We'll be right back after these messages, okay? Please stay tuned, folks. If you want to give me a call, 877-207.

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If you want to give me a call, we have three open lines: 877-207-2276. Let's get back on with Jordan from New Mexico. Jordan, you still there? Yes, sir. Um So you would say that the distinction or what a person is is that qualifies the distinction would be the relations.

Between the cup air, right? Yes, theologically in the Trinity we see a distinction between them. Because, for example, Jesus prays to the Father. He speaks to the Father. The Father speaks about the Son, for example.

So that shows distinction. And it's very simple at that point.

So I have an article on Carm, the Trinity Table. If you were to go to my website, just look up Trinity Table, you'll see how the Trinity is arrived at.

Now I've been in many debates over the years on the doctrine of the Trinity. And I can confidently say that nobody has ever refuted that table. I say this is how the trend is arrived at, systematically. And I said, take a look at it. It's not arrived at by a single verse or refuted by a single verse.

I said, but it's the system. And if you can refute the system, you've refuted the Trinity. And they can't. Because it's right there in scripture, all over the place. 'Kay.

Okay.

And one last question. I know you got other people coming. No, no, we don't. But what was your biggest? Oh, no?

Okay.

Thank you. Um, what would be your biggest Bye. argument against monosletism Yeah.

Well, monothelitism would be an Aryan error. There's different views.

So, monothelitism, for those who don't know, mono being one, Jesus has one will, that would deny the two natures. Necessarily speaking, in the hypostatic union, Jesus has two distinct natures. Each nature necessarily must have a will. This necessitates. Ditheletism.

If someone were to say it's monothelotism, then they're either denying. The hypostatic union. And or they're denying the divine nature, and or they're denying the human nature, and or they're saying that the human and divine nature combined into a new third thing, the God-man, new third thing. Not God and man in one person, but the God-man combination blend. And then that would bring to monothelitism, and that would be a heresy because a God-man, in the sense of God-hyphen-man blend without two natures, this is a heresy, and it would deny the true person of Christ.

It would deny that he is either human or God.

So but a new third category, okay? Good. Yeah, no, that's Yeah, I'm I'm asking 'cause, um I was hearing, I was recently talking to an Oriental Orthodox. And I never heard of monophyletism and then it was a while ago. But I started to dig into it.

And yeah, I don't agree. I completely disagree. They reject the hypostatic union. And so I was wondering like, oh, like I think you would be a great person to ask about that. Yes, um So there's different views and different heresies considered w with Jesus.

So Nestorianism would see within the person of Christ or the body of Christ two natures, so there are two persons.

Now Eutychianism is the human nature was absorbed into the divine nature. and that would be monophysitism. And um So then meaphysitism. tries to avoid both, Where the one nature language still is comprised of distinction, but is a serious problem. And it gets into a little more complicated stuff.

They say you're one united nature. But it can't have one united nature. It still is a mono uh Monophysitism, or in this, well, we'd say monophysitism.

So it just doesn't work.

Okay.

Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. All right, rudder.

Well, God bless.

Okay, you too. Thank you, Matt.

Alright.

So let me kind of just go over why these things are important. Jesus died on the cross, and the sacrifice of Christ is divinely valuable. divinely sufficient. to appease the divine being God, but it's also human in that Jesus was a man and he died the cross.

So it's a divine sacrifice sufficient for humans. All right, so if Nestorianism is true, that there are two persons in the body of Christ. Then only the human person died, therefore, there is no divine aspect of the sacrifice. Because if in Nestorianism there are two persons, a divine person and a human person, then they alternate speaking. as Jesus walks around, but only the human nature or person died, therefore that the sacrifice is not of divine value.

Yeah. In Eutychianism the human nature is absorbed into the divine nature. And we get this, it's called monophysitism.

so that the Jesus only consists of a single nature. But if that's the case, then in the case of human nature absorbed into the divine nature, then the human nature no longer exists.

Now what does it really mean to be absorbed into? It means to lose its own identity. and become mixed to another identity.

Well, this is monophysitism. And it will deny the sufficiency of the human nature aspect, and that Jesus dying on the cross was not really. uh a a human nature thing. Then we get into the issue of what's called dossetism. uh from to queto to seem or to appear to be.

And so, it would only appear that Jesus died as a human on the cross, and this would be problematic. In myoph myophasitism, The issue is one united nature.

Well, as soon as you say one nature, then you're into the the heresy area again. Because one united nature is the implication that the two natures became a new third thing, miophysetism. But if that's the case in miophysetism, then you don't have God or man dying on the cross, you have a third thing, the God-man. And that when I say Jesus is the God-man, we use the phraseology, yes, that's correct. But what we mean by that is that in the person of Christ is a divine nature and a human nature.

But in Nephicetism, no, that's not the case. They are combined and united into a single God. nature. and this single nature has aspects of humanity and divinity, But that means the one nature there exists. This is logically very problematic.

One of the reasons is the loss of what's called continuity.

So continuity means that the Nature of a being exists and the properties inhere in that nature. They proceed from that nature.

So the properties of a human being are not the same properties of an angel, because the nature of a human is not the same nature as a hum as an angel.

So you cannot have an angel become a man. Because and but by changing nature, because it would mean the angelic nature has to cease. But the mind is related and relative to the nature.

So it's part of the nature, it's the essential property of the nature. If the nature ceases, the mind/slash soul ceases to exist. And so, what they're saying is: the angel becomes a man means that. that essence ceases, the same problem occurs with myophysitism in that the new third nature is neither human nor man, it's a new created thing, and you don't have the true incarnation at this point. Heresies, heresies, heresies.

If you want to give me a call, we have wide open lines, 8772. 072276 V right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show.

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Rob from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, man, how are you? Doing all right, brother.

Hanging in there, man. What do you got, buddy? Yes, sir. I just ha was curious. Why do you think you stopped getting hate mailing?

Well, you know, I was talking to somebody about that today, and one of the theories I have might be that the people who do the emails. uh weed them out.

So I don't know, but I've told them, I said, no, I want the hate mail because I really like it. And I'm looking right now, let's see. Looking uh looking at the stuff, but uh I don't see I don't see where they have it. And so that's one possibility. The other one is that they know that I read them on air.

And that I have fun with them.

So maybe. Maybe. Maybe uh they don't want you know, they don't want that. And here's another possibility. The gospel that offends nobody is not the gospel of the Bible.

Maybe I'm not offending anybody, maybe I'm doing something wrong.

So you know I don't I don't think that's the case. The gospel's going to offend somebody.

Well yeah, and I also I d I there is a little bit of a sense that I hear from people that Um, you know, they realize they're not going to change them once, so why go through the motions?

So I know, but I wish they would try. I wish, you know, I mean, I love genuine hate mail when they call me names and say I'm stupid and don't know what I'm doing. You know, I even have, I wonder if it's still, we moved the site over. Let's see if we have it. Let's see.

Hold on a sec, I gotta get over here. to uh Carm and look up um Of the how to pick an insult. How to pick an insult. Because I wrote, yeah, here it is. Pick your insult page.

and wrote it back in 2009. Because a lot of the hate mail I was getting, the grammar was off. And I would read it the way the grammar said. And it'd be run on sentences and I'd say to people, Okay, Don't do this at home. I'm a professional.

You know, trying to read a whole paragraph in one breath. And so I wrote a. I wrote a how to pick your insult. Pick your insult page. And got one through ten, where I actually wrote some good insults that are grammatically correct.

So they can pick them. And they can turn to me. Yeah. Well, maybe they'll get back to it.

Well, tell your people checking your emails and let them come on through. That's right. That's right. Um That's right.

Okay.

Hehehehe All right, it sounds good. Yeah. Yes, sir. Okay.

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Alright, you too. Yeah. All right. Hey, let's get to Jeff from South Carolina. Jeff, welcome, brother.

You're on the air. Hi, Matt. Thank you for taking my call. That my question's kind of silly, uh Yeah.

Sometimes uh I'll listen to a detuned radio in order to s hear that hissing sound for sleep. Yeah, good. It just helps me go to sleep. But um I found these noise sounds Uh They got something called white noise and brown noise and different things like that. I mean, I've been listening to that and it helps.

I've talked about listening to certain kinds of bassy music. Mm-hmm. for for certain reasons. I I don't know because it's Do you think it's anything wrong as a Christian to listen to that type of thing? Or Not at all.

Not at all. It's just white noise. A lot of people like that. My wife, what she had on her phone a white noise app on her phone. And we didn't sleep together after for the last ten years because of her medical condition.

It just got worse and worse, and she needed a medical bed. And so, 'cause I I can't handle white noise because I have. eighty decibel ringing in both ears already And so white noise is just an addition to that and it drives me crazy.

So we couldn't sleep together. That's another reason, you know. And but for her it was very soothing.

Okay, great. No problem at all.

So for those people who need that, it helps. Not a problem at all. Yeah, go for it. Yeah. I know they have some things on notice.

All these different Sounds and things that seem kind of new agey or something. That's what I thought.

Well, I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't listen to this.

Well, you know, she would listen to something that was just a hiss, you know, like Like like that.

So I think the white noise has it kind of has all frequency range, so it kind of. drowns out background noises and stuff and and I think the brown and the pink noises has a lot more bass. It's more of a bathing type. Yeah, and that kind of The bass a lot of bass kinda gives me a headache, so The green noise is sort of like mid-range, the green and I think maybe the blue. I I kinda like listen to that one, but Well, go for it.

Another thing I did for my wife is my voice for her was soothing.

So I read several psalms into a recorder, and then she would play that at night and just listen to. listen to my voice and she'd go to sleep to my voice.

So Oh, that would happen. And um, but then she lost it. I went, okay, whatever. But then she just listed other white noise. No it happened.

Yeah. The white north is really kind of not say too much, I mean Sure, that's why I'd be allowed to Hey, if it's what you need oh, excuse me, if you need to sleep on it. I know some people like l listen with the have a fan on or something and some people you know I put it on a short I listen to short wave sometimes, um I noticed if you do it on if you d on the detune works just here, so it sounds just like that white noise. Right.

Well, I like to hear recordings of how great I am. You see, Matt, you're great. You know, that's what puts me to sleep. You know, that's a joke. You must be pretty great.

I have you on every day. Every day I have you on the radio for I don't know how many years.

Well, good. I'm glad. I'm glad. That's good. I just want to enjoy all the topics and different things.

Well, good. A lot of topics. I've never been asked about white noise, though. That's a good question. And And uh Not a problem, so praise God.

You know? There you go.

Okay.

Okay, uh I'm sorry, that's all I had. That's all right. It's all right. Oh man, I got a yawn coming up.

Okay.

I gotta get back to our church somewhere. I mean, my mom, I'm I'm with my mom and she's. Really not good and bad off, and I and she can't be left alone.

So, I'm really I haven't been able to a church in life. I think you're going on a year and a half now. President Presbyterian ARP. I kind of want to get back to that.

Well go for it. Yeah. I can relate. That's how it was with my wife the last several months of her life. She couldn't go anywhere, really.

And so I didn't go to church. I stayed home with her. And we would have someone that's home.

Okay, okay, yeah.

Alright.

Yeah, I'm trying to get her I wish she would get back to re I mean But last year she's just she won't even she used to get up every morning and read her Bible. Like every morning she would read. Yeah. Whatever was on the plan and she would read it in the But I don't know. I for the last while she just just quit reading altogether and won't read anything, so Well, that's uh one of the signs of of um the body giving up, is conserving energy.

Yeah, conserving energy. She she just don't really want to do anything. It takes any kind of effort. Right.

That's that's a it's one of the signs. That's what happened to my wife as well. She started doing less and less and eating less and less because it became more difficult for her body to process food. And uh, this is just what happens when we get older, okay. All right, brother.

All right, God bless, all right, bye-bye. Hey folks, we're right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

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All right. So let's get to some of the emails. Um I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I think I'll do this.

Let's go to this because it's a little more technical, and we can do this kind of stuff.

So hello Matt. Can you explain lapsarianism? Which view do I think is correct? Tried to do research in Karma, couldn't find anything. It deals with what's called infra- and super-lapsarianism.

this deals with what's called the order of God's decrees.

So did God decree election before or after decreeing the fall?

Now this is a logical decree issue, not a temporal one. because all decrees from God are eternal. The question is the rational sequence. Let me illustrate. Light is the result of electricity in a light bulb.

So when electricity is present in a light bulb, It brings about light. but they are simultaneous. Whenever electricity is in the light bulb, light is also there.

So it's logically prior. even though there's they occur at the same time. Electricity is logically prior in that it brings about the light. But they're simultaneous. The eternal decrees of God are like that.

They're simultaneous. But what's the logical order?

So We would say that God's decree of election and reprobation is logically prior. Before he permitted the fall, that would be supra-lapsarianism above the fall. And it would mean then that God decreed to elect some and reparate others. He then decreed to create, decreed to permit the fall, and decreed to provide redemption for the elect. Infralapsarianism would say God's decree of election is logically after his decree to permit the fall.

In other words, God decreed to create, then He decreed to permit the fall, decreed to elect some for the fallen mass, and decreed to provide redemption for the elect.

So The there are similarities and differences between them. And which one do I hold? Uh I I'm not really committed to either one. And the reason is because the decrees of God are eternal and instantaneously eternal, and the issue of logical. priority to me becomes problematic when we understand that even the issue of the fall and creation are eternally simultaneous in the decrees of God.

And so because of that, I have difficulties uh ascertaining which one I hold to. If that makes sense. Let's get to Joseph from North Carolina. Joseph, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, how's it going? It's going, man. It's going.

So what do you got, buddy? First question is: Do you believe the creation account in Genesis one as literal? Yeah. Okay, I do too.

So my son's in Bible college and He said that his theories, or some things he's coming to the knowledge of, is that. The creation account was written in a poetic in its original language. It was written in a poetic form. and that it wasn't necessarily meant to be taken literal. Literally, so day one.

Then what does day one mean? Because in Exodus 20, in the Ten Commandments, it says God created the heavens and earth in seven days. Mm-hmm. So, and that's exactly what my argument's been with him.

Now, my next one is this, and he brought a great point. There is a a I don't know if the word contradiction's right, but there's some things that don't line up between chapter one and chapter two. In the order of things.

Okay.

Okay.

Reader? Yeah, I'm here. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are not different creation accounts. They're just different in their focus. Genesis 1 gives an ordinal thing: the first, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th.

Genesis 2 is simply a recapitulation of the main points. That's all that's going on.

Okay.

It it's It's like in Genesis 1, you know, it talks about day one was this, day two was this, day three, was this, and so on and so forth. When it says he created man and man was alone.

So he created the animals. That's what I'm getting at. It's like it's not chronologically the same, and I don't understand how that. Works. Um Well, there's not a contradiction because the intention is not the same.

And so I am curious, really quickly, before we get into this a little bit more.

So this is your what, your son's learning this stuff? Right.

Yeah, he's in a Wesleyan Bible College and It's just a little discussion we had and I told him, I said, I believe it to be literal, I always have. And then he was like, What about the difference, chronological difference in one and two? 'Cause In one, man was created after the animals. But in on chapter 2, it's It says the man was created. Man and woman were created, or man was created.

It was not good that he was alone.

So God created the animals and then brought them to Adam and He named them and. He said, but in Genesis 1, the animals weren't created first. Yeah. Yeah, he says in Genesis 2, make a helper suitable to him. out of the ground he formed every beast of the field, every bird of the sky.

It doesn't say and then as a result of that he did that. It says he brought them to the sea of the man and he called and so all that's going on is the different framework is is being focused. It's um it's a Hebrew ism in grammar. To simply bring out a specific issue in a different order to illustrate a point.

So in Genesis 1 through s uh Genesis chapter 1, the issue here is a more literal decree, a middle literal work of how God is doing it. And Genesis 2 is more like what happened on the on the day that they were created.

So he put the man in the garden to cultivate it, etc., the tree of the knowledge, and that they'll eat from it. And so we don't see a contradiction. What we see is a focus that's different between them.

Okay.

Makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. All right. Well, I will take that back to him.

Okay.

All right. Yeah, make sure he's learning uh Stuff that's good because I don't know of what this Wesleyan seminary is any good. Um Because if, yeah, I don't know. Ask if he knows about the JEDP theory, if he's heard about that. J E D P.

J E D P. I'll have to write that down. Yeah. Okay.

Or it's called a documentary hypothesis. See if he's being taught that. If he is being taught it is true, then it's not a good seminary.

Okay.

The JTP Theory. God West Ello, his priestly Deuteronomist. And has to do with called the documentary hypothesis that Genesis was written by, or that the Pentateuch was written by four different authors.

Okay, so you said J D E P. J E D P J E. E D P, okay, I got this back. Yeah, JEDP, or it's also known as the documentary hypothesis. It's also known as the Graf-Wellhausen theory.

Documentary hypothesis, JEDP are the more pop more popular ones, okay? All right. All right. That works. I appreciate it.

All right, men. God bless.

Okay.

All right, let's get to loop from Washington, D.C. Luke, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Doc. I'm Matt Slickawari.

Doing all right. Hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. What do you got?

Okay.

Nehemiah nine six.

Okay.

You alone are the Lord, you have made the heavens. The heavens and the heavens of their hosts, the earth and all that's in it, the seas, all that's in them. You gave life to all of them. And the heavenly host bows down before you. Yes.

So uh the oneness Pentecost is on us, they always use these words against Trinity. There's nothing in here against the Trinity. There is one God. Yes, and just say, yes, you know, the LSB translated as you alone are Yahweh, which is f perfect, it's fine. You alone are Yahweh.

If they say that it refutes the Trinity, then they assume the Trinity is three gods, but the Trinity is not three gods. The Trinity is one God. Yahweh is the name of the one God who's a Trinity. There's nothing wrong with it at all. No problem.

Oh that's the picture.

So there's a U alone does not mean a distinction between God No, it just you alone are Yahweh. Yahweh is a trinity. That's all.

So this is a monotheism. Yes, it's teaching. Yeah, monotheism, you alone are Yahweh. You alone are the one we know as Yahweh. And then the next verse, you are Yahweh Elohim.

You are Yahweh God. You are the one.

So, when people say this, I know instantly. That they are failing to understand what the Trinity is.

So then at this point, I asked them, what do you think the Trinity is? Do you think it's three gods? And if they say yes, you say that's not the Trinity. And it would and, you know, it's not. Yeah.

So they think they think that you alone, you know.

Some people try to use this verse against the Trinity because it says you alone. Yeah, it but it it doesn't. It's like saying the Trinity alone is God, yeah. It's like you alone are Yahweh. You, the Trinitarian being, are Yahweh.

Yeah, no problem. That's all that's going on.

They just don't know what they're saying. They don't understand the problem. They don't understand the Trinity. It's why they say that. I've seen this many times, this kind of argument, many times.

I correctly that's now you don't understand. I try to be polite with them. Then they argue, you know what you're talking about. Yes, I do. Yes, I do.

I've been defending it for a long time. Just because it doesn't mean you know anything. And I'm like, okay, we're done. you know, move along.

Okay.

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