Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, and welcome to the show with me, Matt Slick. And listen to Matt Slick Live. As usual, you can give me a call. And the number is 8772-072276. I want to hear from you.

Give me a call. And today's date is January 23rd. 2026.

Now, from what I understand, we're not going to have live shows next week, Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. And the reason is because apparently where they have the radio station, the main people, the main everything, is going to be just snowed in. They're just expecting a whole bunch of snow.

So they've already got shows prepped and loaded and everything for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, because they're not even going to come in.

So there you go.

So next week it'll be Recorded shows for Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. But now.

Now, you can give me a call if you want. If you're like, oh man, I got questions.

Well, now's the time to call. The number is 877. two zero seven two two seven six Now I plan to be in a debate in Dallas and let's see, what is the dates? It's uh two weeks from today I should be there. Two weeks from today.

And I'm going to be debating a Muslim. On um on whether or not Jesus is a prophet or he's God. And I'm going to just come out swinging in the opening statement. I'm going to come out swinging, and I got questions ready. I mean, I'm going.

going to go and and really tackle Islam. And so I'm not going to say what I'm going to do, what my approach is. Might get back to him. He might, you know, that. But.

He'll find out on that day. And we're going to have other people that are doing debates. It's a series of debates over a few days.

Now you know what? I don't know what the URL is for that. If we had that on a calendar, do we have that on the calendar? Let me see. On the carm calendar, which would be Let's see.

It would be carm.org. Because I pushed some stuff up. Commodore forward slash calendar. And February Dallas, the Gospel Truth Conference, there's a link there. You can check it out.

And uh Good, so there's some people there: Anthony Rogers, Avery, I'll be debating. Um And there we go, we got stuff going.

So is Jesus more than a prophet? Yeah.

So I'm not even sure exactly which day I'm going to be speaking on. But all the information is there on the Carm website if you're in the area, you know, if you're going to be in the area, you can check it out.

So, um It's the conference three headline in debaters. Avery Austin, God Logic, will face off against Jake. Concerning the Islamic dilemma. And February 6, 2026. A second debate will be on February 7th.

It will feature Dr. James White. That's a Bible. Teach a Trinity. And then, let's see.

Uh Anthony Rogers v. Trent Horne concerning sola scriptura. We'll have other debates. We'll have Leighton Flowers versus Jeremiah Nortier and Elias Ayala versus Dan Barker. And uh I don't even see my name listed in there.

Wow. Yeah, I'll tell him, hey man.

So uh I'll be debating Nadir Ahmed. And uh On if Jesus is a prophet or not.

So there you go.

Yeah, it's listed right down there below.

So it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting, and we'll see. All right. Having said all of that, if you want to give me a call, the number is 87720-72276. Look at the James.

From Indiana, James, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, I had a question about the flat earth topic we were talking about last night. All right. Why is the why is the Bible not specific on On just because I've seen scripture about where you could take it as flat earth or a globe.

Why is it not more specific or is it more specific and I'm just not seeing it. It doesn't need to be specific. is just Just talking about the issue of the history of Israel. It's not a scientific book. And so it's not intended to have all of those issues there scientifically mentioned.

So that's that's b that's why. It's like, why doesn't it mention the people in Madagascar? Why does it mention the the performer? From Australia. Oh, I don't know about that either.

So we can ask you. I mean, I was listening to what you were saying, and your physics. Um I agree with, but You know, I I Googled that today and there was Scripts are leaning towards both arguments. I just wondered where you stood on that end of it. What's leaning towards both arguments?

Well, there's like s Scripture it means either way. I mean, I can see how it's interpreted that way, like to the ends of the earth or to the four corners of the earth. And it also says a circle of the earth.

So, you know. Yes, it does. And uh So where does the firmament fall into this? It's just, well, that just depends what the firmament is and how it's defined. And so, you know, it's uh let's see, firmament.

Um It's used uh It's used in different places in Genesis 1, 6, 7, 8, 14, 15, 17, 20.

So it's called the expanse of the word firmament there, heaven. And expanse. But it wasn't wasn't it to separate the waters from above and the waters below?

Well, it says in verse 6, let there be an expanse, a firmament in the King James, in the midst of the waters, let it separate the waters from the waters. In verse 7, expand, separate the waters from what are below the waters.

Well, if the expanse is separating the waters from above and below, Well then it's also separating the semblance from the You know, waters from waters.

Now, what does that mean? We can get into that. God called the expense heaven. And it was having uh th second day. Let there be lights in the expanse.

The firmament of the heavens.

So, if the firmament is, as they say, a solid kind of a dome, then the stars are in that firmament. But the problem is because Yeah, go ahead. Oh, I was gonna say tonight. Haven't like the same star constellations been the same place for centuries? Yes, that's true, they have been.

except that there's a slight variation that's only measurable by good instruments.

So In the past, you know, I think 200 years, for example, they've tested the speed of light, and there's been a change. In some stuff. It's a really interesting discussion. But the measurements that they have, plus and minus, say, 150 years ago. There's a certain amount of error.

And when you look at the error rate, and mathematicians do all this stuff, and you look at what they could see now, they can see, yeah, the constellations are moving. And they're moving because we're moving and and the solar system is moving through our galaxy.

So it is moving. And it's a very, very, very slight difference because of the incredible distances, which. Yeah.

furthermore uh negates the idea of uh A f a flat earth ferment thing.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, it does. Yeah, I just I I seen a lot of I see a lot of videos about this and I've always assumed it was a glob. I mean, there are some interesting points. That's are unexplainable. What do you mean unexplainable?

Okay, like I heard one ta uh discussion They talk about aircraft. And we can agree that the earth is spinning, right? Yeah, it's it's moving, yes. At one thousand miles an hour at the equator, right? Right, that's correct.

Okay.

And a commercial aircraft can go, what, half that speed? Yeah, roughly. Yeah, uh-huh.

Okay, so Yeah, the the the discussion I heard was It takes the same amount of time to fly west as it does east. Yeah.

Well, yes, of course it does.

So it's a spinning. If if you're descending though to to the idiot, so the idiot thinks he can just go up in the air and land. I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm just saying that the discussion I heard. And I was vibing just like you were.

It's laid. Yeah.

Because see, motion is relative to a point. If the point itself is moving and you're moving along with the point that's moving, it's relative to the point.

So it'll go either direction.

So if the Earth is traveling and rotating at a certain speed, then you're inside of that rotational speed. And then relative to the point of that rotational speed. It's just. These these guys, I'm serious. They have like at least one frontal lobe.

tied behind their back when they talked about this stuff. All right, because it's just lame. I mean, it's lame. It just depends on the music. Um And it just it it's not something I seek It says it comes across You know, and The debate I was listening to is actually where they were talking about scripture.

And somebody commented that and I thought, what is this guy doing?

So I just wanted to bring that up to give you a good laugh. Yeah, you know, it it's just dumb. And it really is. It's just dumb. A flat Earth cosmology is just dumb.

It doesn't fit physically. And the The attempts by flat earthers to negate the physics is just laughable. And one of the problems that has occurred, I watched an atheist do a series of videos, he's a scientist, and He was mocking Christianity and the Bible because of this. They're causing problems because these people, these Christians, who say the Bible teaches this, no, it doesn't. And then they make Christianity look dumb.

Not that we lose science to verify the Bible. No, but the fact is, the earth is not flat. It's just. It's just dumb. I mean, what is the flat disc sitting on a bunch of turtles?

And when they move, that's why we get earthquakes. I mean, what is this mythology? God, yeah. And what's it sitting on? What where's gravity?

How does gravity work if it's flat? Mass causes gravity. And there's there's experiments you can do in labs where you put you take mass, dense mass objects, you put them next to each other and you can detect certain um Certain amounts of force between them. It's detectable. They can do this kind of a thing.

It's just a fact. And if the earth is flat, how do you get gravity? Where's com and they say, well, it's acceleration. Acceleration. Yeah, I guess gravity.

I mean, we can. we can appreciate it or otherwise dead birds would just be floating around. Yeah.

Well yeah, I mean I I agreed with the flashlight thing you was talking about last night, but it just I was I was laughing, sir. I couldn't call you last night. I thought I'm gonna call you tomorrow night talking about this. Yeah.

Yeah, it's one of those things that really irritates me because it's just like I want to say to them, stop it, stop it, stop it right now. You know, it's just a little bit of a majority I'm going to change the subject on you real quick. All right. Let's talk Bible. What is the.

What is the I've been seeing a lot of posts about the Ethiopian Bible.

Okay, what about the Ethiopian? But how was that different from A traditional Bible. Is there like more books in it? Yes. Yes, there's more.

Yep, I just went through and did an article on the Eastern Orthodox versus a regular Bible, or the Catholic Bible actually, and there's more in the Eastern Orthodox than there are in the Catholic Bible, more in the Catholic than there are in the Protestant. And from what I understand about the Ethiopian Bible, there's even more. And I haven't done an article on that, but They they hold to that. Uh let's see. Um There's a guy on TikTok that that's always ranting and raving about that.

And I've not listened to his live completely. Because it makes no sense to me because I what's that? Who's this? Lorenzo Montgomery. He's on TikTok all and he always live I I don't understand it, so I I can't I can't follow it very well.

because it's not of anything that I've Read or heard.

Okay.

So it's kind of like a new A new thing, I guess. But Yeah, you know. It's It's It just Lame.

Okay, hold on. We got uh. We can have breaks all time, buddy, okay? I have a break. Hey folks, we right back after these messages.

If you want to give me a call, the number's 8772. Yeah, yeah. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, we have three open lines: 877-207. 2276 James, you still there? Yes, sir. But I can let you go.

I just wanted to hear your thoughts on that. I know you probably got out of the caller, so I won't take up too much more of your time. No, I read over Yeah, we have nobody waiting. That's okay. Fridays are often slow.

So yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty bad. Uh the flat earth model i i is just Pretty bad. It's you know, I don't know how to say it. It's really bad. I mean, I can't.

It's just another way to divide people, you know. Yeah.

I mean, the the things that people argue about these days is It sores me really. I mean We argue about everything anymore. Yep, that's true. That's true. And you can argue about arguing.

I once did an experiment. I actually did an experiment once where I was talking to somebody about this issue of people just arguing about everything. And what I did was I presented uh a Facebook post. I just made a Facebook post. and uh it was the most innocuous thing I could come up with.

You know, like, hi everyone, how are you doing? And it was just to see if people would start arguing, and within five minutes, they were arguing. Yeah, it was just ridiculous.

Well, from the TikToks I've watched the use of your TikToks. You're a hard person to out-argue.

Well yeah, I'll give you that. Um well, maybe, but uh It's just Try and be logical. When it comes to the doctrine, it is. I mean, I've. I've not heard a solid argument against you.

In the eight weeks I've listened to you. Mm.

Okay.

I guess kudos to that.

Okay.

Well, my wife would disagree with you, but my late wife, I should say, but she would disagree with you.

Well, mine would too. Yeah.

Yeah, that's it. And my my wife would definitely argue that. Uh-huh. That's true. Yeah, what are you gonna do?

I just keep scoring the garage at this point.

So Yeah.

Well, okay. Um, there you go.

So.

Well Are you going to be able to do that? Have a good night and God bless. God bless you. All right. God bless.

All right, now let's get to.

Well, I don't know what this is. Jump over. to Chris from Nebraska. Chris, welcome. You're on the air.

Are you there? Chris Hey, Chris.

Sorry about that, Matt. Can you hear me? That's right. Yeah, I can hear you. What's up, buddy?

Okay.

Sorry, a little bit of, um Yeah, so Oh, excuse me. My question. Is this regarding the um Mm-hmm. documentation and marriage, obviously, by government. that kind of unites two people together Um Is that like a must.

to and Dodge you know, because like you think about the time. that's Jesus Christ and during that time, marriage was a lot different than it is now.

So you know, I'm sure people were just together And then they kind of united with that one individual and they were in their eyes are A unified um Okay, so what are you asking? Are you asking if you need a document?

So the question is basically just You know, like if I'm in a relationship with somebody and I'm not married by Yeah. Mike is that it might What do you mean a relationship? Living together without being married? Yes, we're together without him being married. It's absolutely sinful.

Let's talk about this. Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman. And that's horizontal in that sense. It's a covenant between the man, the woman, and people. People, you know, you promise to keep only to each other and not to anybody else in that sense of devotion and certain things, privileges in marriage, and before God, because you do before God now if you're a Christian, right?

Now, what makes someone married now, in the eyes of God, a lot of noise there. A lot of noise. Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

So, what makes someone married in the eyes of God is their commitment to each other. It's a verbal commitment. Usually, it's a ceremony, how it works, and each culture has different ceremonies.

Some cultures require paperwork, and some don't. In our government, we it's recommended and and they ask and require paperwork.

So when I do a wedding, I tell the couple, that's not what makes you married, but you need to file because we're to be subject to the governments.

Now, what makes you married, and I go through the covenant aspect when you say, I promise to, I take you as my wife and husband, but then you go through this to do this. That's when you both have said that. Then you're both technically married. The rings, then, are a symbol of the commitment you've made one to another. And so it's a covenant sign.

Now If you've not had that, then you're not married. And if you are living with a woman outside of that marriage, you are in abject rebellion and sin against God. Yeah.

And so A lot of background noise there, man. No little background noise.

So what you need to do... What you need to do is immediately Stop. Immediately, you need to stop that relationship in that context. If you want to get married, then get married, and you get married ASAP. If you don't want to get married, then stop seeing her.

If you just want to get married, you then don't that's it, you're done. You can go to a your p if you're going to a pastor, don't know what your condition is, but if you go to a p a church, you need to go to the the elders, talk what's going on. They need to work with you, and this needs to this fornication, this bad situation needs to end now. That means even now, tonight, You don't go back and and stay with her. You go someplace else.

You go live with someone else until you get it settled what you're going to do. You want to honor God, or are you going to honor your flesh?

So, you need to either you need to leave, or she needs to leave, and then you decide to come back and get married, and then you can live as husband and wife. Otherwise, you're in direct sin against God.

Okay.

Okay, yeah, I appreciate that, Matt. I'm sorry for the background noise. It happens. But yeah, yeah. No, I mean, the thing is, like, I've I've been feeling convicted about it.

Good. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. And then she told me, she's like, well. She said, Well that you know, the way that Cultures back in the day used to get married, or they would just be together, and you know.

Yes, she's not.

Okay, let me. If I was counseling you two, okay, and I can't do a whole bunch over the air. First things first, are you a Christian? Is she a Christian? If she's not a Christian, you can't marry her.

If you are a Christian, Then what the heck are you doing with her? Yeah, I mean Yeah. It I mean, she she is a Christian.

Okay.

Give me one second, Matt. Hold on.

Okay.

She she is a Christian and she since we've been together, she's like my spiritual life is gone to a se like another level with you. And she was telling me that. Wait, another level. What does that mean? Good or bad?

Um, just I I don't think she was as conscious about her relationship with God until she you know, we were together.

Alright, so here we go. You need to find out if she's really a Christian or not.

Now, hold on, we got a break, okay? I need to counsel you guys, okay?

So hold on no, this is important stuff.

Alright, hold on. All right folks, we'll be right back after this. Uh this break when you give me a call, the number. It's 877207 2276, direct back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show, everyone. Hopefully this is an interesting Convo, conversation for you all. Let's get back to Chris from Nebraska.

You still there, buddy? Yes, I'm here.

Okay.

So, step one. Find out if she's real Christian, if she's committed. If you or two were sitting on my couch where I would do counseling, and I have done a lot of counseling, Um I would ask, are you a Christian? Yes. Do you believe the Bible?

Yes. then why are you rebelling against God? And I wait. Right. Because I need to know why you are serving your flesh rather than God, and yet you call yourself a Christian?

You're taking communion? In your rebellion against God and your open sin, you're lucky God hasn't killed you yet. He disciplines people for this great rebellion. Absolutely. No, no.

I'm I'm I completely agree. Like I I mean I felt I've been feeling convicted about it and you know, it's like I She's a good woman and everything. And what's she doing with you? What you're doing with you, you're a sinner, and you're willing to take from her what does not belong to you outside of marriage. And if she's a good woman, why is her judgment so bad?

Well Yeah, and it works with both of them. She's Brazilian. She comes from that culture.

So.

And I think it's a little bit more. You know, that they're just a little bit more promiscuous in their sex sexuality type thing, I think.

So yeah, so is so then as justification of their sinful habit and history. before God. And I would say to her, And you call yourself a Christian?

Well what I do normally in counseling is I break up the cement. And then it put things back together. I say, don't call yourself a Christian if you're going to be living in sin and you openly do this, choosing to do it in rebellion against God. Don't go say you're a Christian to people. You you're being shame upon the name of God.

Now say, now what do you do? What you do is you commit to honor God. You commit to do that and you cannot have relations with each other. And you must separate right now physically If you're going to get married, then you make a choice to get married ASAP. And if you're not going to get married, you're done in your relationship.

It's over.

Well, I like the bit and you know I say, stop the whining. Do what God requires of you. Pick up your cross daily and follow after Him. It doesn't say pick up your cross daily when it's convenient and when your emotions don't get in the way and your sex drive doesn't get in the way either. This is a serious issue.

And I'm giving you the quick and slick version. I'm only slow with this, but normally.

Okay.

No, because what you're saying is like it's inevitable if I'm living at her house, there's going to be a sexual relationship. It's you know what I mean? Like there's no way of getting out of that. Yeah.

So I understand where you say this cut off all I could understand where you're coming from.

So tonight, you need to call up a friend and say, you need to sleep on a couch or whatever it is. You get a hotel room, whatever it is, you talk to her and say, hey, I talked to a guy on the radio named Slick.

Okay, that's a good way to start. And you tell her that you can't be doing this anymore because it dishonors God. It dishonours him. Right. And you have and then you you need to ask her for forgiveness For your sin against her, even as you ask forgiveness of your sin against God, you ask God.

and then you tell her that you repent from leading her astray, into fornication. And then you if you go into church, I'm hoping you are, you then talk to the elders and you confess your sin. If they say, Well, it's not that big a deal, then you need to give them a complimentary groin kick each and go find another church. And so then you say, I need to get married, we need to do this as quickly as possible. And you tell her.

you want to get married or not? You know, it's either yes or no. I mean, I'm not saying to be as blunt as I am with you. I'm just saying this stuff quick, quickly. But in real person, when they're next to me, I'm I'm significantly more gentle, but I still get the same stuff out.

And so you then arrange to get married. And then there's no relations. You don't live together until you're married. And after you're married, hey, go for it, get the chandelier and a couple of tarps and a compass, you know, whatever you want to do. The thing is, not until you get married.

All right, not till you get married. And so you need to do this.

Now, think about this. If you do this. She's going to start seeing you as a spiritual leader. She's going to learn to trust you more. Because one of the things I ask couples when they're fornicating, they want me to perform the wedding.

I say, well, we're not going to do that unless here's the rules. I set rules down: no more relations until this. And if you mess up, it's six months, you know, put it back six months, you get more counseling. But I say, look, If you think that your spouse is going to be faithful to you in marriage, What makes you think that if they weren't your spouse isn't faithful? To God.

outside of marriage. What what changes? Your character is before God and before your spouse. And if your character before a marriage is such that, hey, I'll sin against God when it's convenient.

Well then what's to stop you from doing the same thing? when you're married. I just Okay. Yeah, I mean, this is a thing, man. Like, I was married, and my wife.

Divorce me?

Okay.

she married another man basically you know six months later. I mean, I I know I didn't do everything right by her, but I mean She pretty much just Yeah, I mean she she kind of put me in a bad light kind of in front of everybody and kind of like over exaggerated my character of being like I'm this horrible person. And I think it's justified for anybody's going to do that who's trying to get out of the relationship.

So I don't even really resent her for that, you know, because she's just doing what She's supposed to do in her mind to justify her getting out of the way. What's this got to do with what you're going to, with this present woman?

Well, I think What it did is it made me fearful of getting married again. Yeah, yeah, but it's like, okay, then, but I want to enjoy that part of it, of the relationship. Like, I like the closeness and all that, but it's like. Do I want to? You know what I mean?

Let me help you out. Get right with God first. Him first. Not her. Not yourself.

And well, not to mock, you know, I'm just saying to exaggerate, make a point.

Well, I feel comfortable. With that person?

Well, it's a serious question and it's a legitimate question, but first it should be. Am I honoring God? And so, the first question about being comfortable with their and commitment, I get that. That's a legitimate question. But it should follow that.

How am I with my lord? Because priorities in your heart come out in your questioning and your desires. And I'm just going to say right now, it's not God. And I'm not here just pointing fingers at you. I mean, I got my faults, and we could talk, but this is what it comes down to.

You commit to God first. When you're able to do that, you can commit to her. She needs to commit to God first, and you need to lead her in that commitment to him. Your job. is as a man, as a Christian man, is to be strong and protecting of her.

You don't protect her by taking from her. What belongs in the marriage bed. That's not protecting her, it's using her for your own benefit. For your own needs. That's not a Christian behavior.

Okay.

So you I know. I mean, that was the thing is, I did that to a couple women and they got super attached and Yeah, well let's talk about this one. This is the one you're living with.

Okay? Oh, okay.

Now. But do I do I need to do I need to apo I feel like 'cause you said I need to apologize to her.

So now I'm feeling awful that I need to apologize to uh to these other women too. Probably, if the Lord puts it upon your heart.

Now, what are you going to do tonight? Where are you going to stay tonight?

Well, the thing is, I'm a truck driver, so I'm out on the road quite a bit.

So then you're out and there has been nights. Yeah, I'm just saying there has been nights where I have felt convicted. And Yeah, I just and like I stayed in my truck because I knew if I drove over to her place, you know, that would happen.

So.

then don't you know then don't drive over to her place. Right. This is, see, for me, it's easy. Don't do it.

Next, and what we often do is we go, well, you see, I'm going to see how close I can get to the temptation. In other words, another way of saying that is, I'm going to see how stupid I can be. And get away with it.

Well, it's a it's a lose-lose situa you don't win in that situation.

Okay, so here's what you do. Are you going to church? Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

So this would be a good idea. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. A girlfriend, I'll call her that. You say, We're not messing around anymore, not staying there. We have to get married, or the relationship's over.

Now, you say it nicely, don't just say, like, I just said it, okay? I mean, nicely, all right, and caringly, okay? I'm just giving you the short stuff. I call it quick and slick because we're on radio. But that's what you need to do.

And you need to do it patiently, lovingly, with guidance. And you need to be involved with the elders of your church. And you need to be right before God first and get right before her next and then it'll take care of itself. Amen. Hold on, we got another break.

So, if you can hold on if you want, or you can just hang up and I'll see you dropper done and we'll get back after the break, okay? Hey, folks. Ha ha ha. We write that gap for these messages. Please take tune to them.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air with Claude. Here we go.

No, no, not Claude.

Sorry, Chris. Claude next.

Sorry about that. Yep.

Okay.

That's all right, yeah. Yeah, so um Yeah, no, I if you wanted to mention something. Maybe you had a thought you wanted to Yeah, yeah, it's just very simple. Don't make me drive out to where you are. and point my finger in your face.

Okay.

Okay.

Well, I'll be in Idaho short. Like, I I actually live in Idaho. I'm just in Nebraska at the moment. Where are you where are you in Idaho? I live in Napa.

Dude. Yeah.

Do you live in Nampa? Yes. Yes, I do. Have we ever met before? You got a couch?

I'll just kiss.

Well, hey, if you're here for that, I would say absolutely. We've got a spare room, and that'll be fine. But um if sh is she a Nampa also? No, she lives in Boise.

Well, okay, but boys here.

So I'd be glad to meet with you guys and work you through it, okay? Yeah.

No, that's something I'll definitely consider, Matt. Yeah, I appreciate that. And even if it's not that, I mean, I. I know you said you had that Bible study and Sure. You got like a home group or something like that.

I'd be interested in doing that. Yeah, you're both welcome to come over, but I'm just going to tell you, I tell the truth. I wouldn't embarrass you guys in front of everybody. That's private stuff, but you're not on public radio right now. But you know, and that's fine, okay?

And I teach advanced stuff. But um I've done a lot of American counseling over the years.

So Uh, you know, just talk to her.

Okay.

Okay.

All right, we'll figure it out. For sure, yeah.

Okay.

Do you want me to call you or email you or how do you want to reach out to you? Yeah, just email me. Email you.

Okay.

All right. Okay.

All right. I appreciate it. All right, man.

Okay.

God bless. Okay.

Right. All right. All right. Well, good stuff. Let's get to whoops, I hit the wrong button.

There we go. Let's get to. Claude from South Carolina. Claude, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Appreciate what you said in that last call. Uh that was all stuff that needs to be heard. And I appreciate your show. I found it a few months ago and sorry to hear about your wife.

Thank you. But my question is this. Matt, I had a scenario last night. I want to see what you would have done, maybe a little different, or how you could help me. With what I encountered last night.

A guy in my Sunday school class came and he said, I have a renter who's a Muslim. Let's go visit him. He's kind of open to talking about things.

So we went and he was just a real friendly guy. He was from West Africa. He grew up Muslim. He went to a Christian high school, though, in Africa. And he immigrated here to the United States about 16 years ago, I think he said.

And as we were talking, certain things came up that were just I guess were common points that he had trouble with. And uh some of the apologetic things my friend kind of handled. But whenever I would talk, I just wanted to bring up Jesus, and I just wanted to bring up the need for a Savior, who Jesus was and what He did on the cross for us, and how we need to accept that. give our lives to him, put our faith and trust in him. And uh but I just wrote down some of the things that kept coming up in the conversation.

The guy was almost at a crossroads, but the first thing was about the Trinity. He had trouble with the Trinity. He said, uh how can I worship a God that I can't really comprehend? And then, yeah, I think it's a good thing. First, okay.

So when they say that, they're being inconsistent because they can't comprehend Allah. There's a doctrine in Islam called Tawweed. He is completely and totally one, but he's also in that doctrine he's so other that it's not knowable what he is. And so he can only be known by anthropomorphic representations into the Quran.

So he has the exact same problem. How is it that Allah can exist forever? What's he doing? Is he thinking? Does he know all things?

If he knows all things, is he contemplating what he knows? But if he is contemplating what he knows, he already knows what he knows eternally. How can he contemplate? There's internal problems with the idea of a single person deity. And then we have the problem of Allah not being love.

We have the problem of Allah not disclosing His personal name to people. Uh as he does in um In the Bible, there's all kinds of problems.

So to say he can't comprehend the Trinity, well, what about time? Time is past, present, and future. It's we know that past, present, and future are all the of the nature time, but it doesn't mean there's three times or three parts. It's just they're all of the same thing, except they just have relationships to each other that's different. That's the Trinity.

It's a good way to start. You can comprehend the time issue.

Well, that's just what God is, not a problem. Anyway, next.

Okay.

He kept referencing the Bible saying it was corrupt, it had errors, contradictions, but the Koran did not. It was error free. Yeah, that's a grotesque misunderstanding of stuff. The New Testament documents are something like 98.9% textually identical. And we have the Uthman problem, the early Koran.

The early historic records demonstrate that Uthman took early Quranic copies and destroyed many of them. Then there's the Sana manuscript of 1972. Where a different Quran was discovered, and it's not identical to the one that they have. Then there's the satanic verses that Muhammad put in. Why are they there?

And as far as contradictions in the Quran go, oh, yeah, there are. If it says man was created from a concealed blood or clay, and then it says dust, and then it says a sperm chop. And it says Muhammad was the first to bow to Allah, but yet it says Moses was the first to believe in Allah, yet Abraham believed in Allah. Allah can forgive sins, but then he can't. For example, he will not forgive the sins of those who commit shirk, worshiping false gods.

Yet he does that very thing. And I had the references. He doesn't know what he's talking about. And then there's the scientific problems in the Quran as well. I can get into stuff, there's all kinds of stuff.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well the last point I have is, you know, Jesus. He just said he was a prophet, one of many. And at the end of the conversation, it was very friendly. He was willing to listen. We were willing to talk.

We listened to him. And there's going to be correspondence after this, but uh basically he just said Yeah, we just see him differently and that was kinda w the way he left it. Uh you know, all he s he just referenced in the in the Quran that uh you know Jesus was a a a a good man, I think, or he was a prophet. Yeah, they say he's just a profit. And if that's the case, oh, back to the issue of the Quran being, I mean, the Bible being corrupted.

Well then why would it be? that Allah told Muhammad to go consult the people of the Bible if it's corrupted. Insurrect ten ninety four. Yeah.

And, you know, there's lots of verses like this. It's called the Islamic Dilemma. But the Quran says that Jesus is virgin-born and is the word of Allah. See, how do you, you know, and he was sinless. And I ask Muslims, I say, so even in the Quran, Jesus is called the Word of Allah.

And he was sinless. How is Mohammed better than him?

Okay.

Yeah.

And you just ask questions like that. And here's another thing you can do. Is this stuff like listed on the Carm website? I mean, that's. Yes.

This stuff we can kind of get a hold of and go because we're going to try to go back and forth with them. And it's nothing that's very hostile at all. He's he's very open. Sure. And only the Holy Spirit can open his eyes, you know, to be saved, that's for sure.

Uh but you're not wonder if there's anything more we could have done Or a lot of that stuff, you know, I don't know.

Okay, I was talking to a Muslim last night for an hour, okay, online. And I asked him, If you're to die right now, I said, I'm not wishing any harm on you, but if that were to happen. Where would you go? And then they he said, Insha'Allah. If Allah wills.

Then help. Make it to to paradise. And I said, so you don't know.

Now there's a reason they don't know. is because their salvation depends in part on their goodness. And I told him. Yeah, and I said, look, I said That's the difference between your God and my God. Because in in Christianity My God will never accept your works.

Because you're they're touched by you. You're not good enough. And yet in your God, he'll accept it. He'll accept what you do. As long as you're sincere.

And if you're sincere, then maybe God will accept what you do. In Christianity he will never accept what you do. Because You're just not good enough. That's why he had to do what you could not. Says the God of Christianity is more holy than the God of Islam.

Yes, we explained a lot of that. I mean, there was a lot of that, no morality or good works or religion is going to get you to heaven, and we all fall short. I mean, I would put that stuff in, kind of like the Roman Road stuff, but and I just depend on the God to kind of open his heart and his mind In order for him to come around. But he does want to converse back and forth and try to get things straightened out or s or or Bring up the differences. He's going to get his.

His ammunition together and kind of present it to us, and I guess we'll do the same. Sure. This is how you study. Tell you learn. And it'd be good.

There's a lot of information on karm on Islam, a lot. And you can go to answeringislam.com. I think it's answering hyphen Islam. They have a lot of stuff. You can also go to a website called the Religionofpeace.com.

And it has lots of good stuff. exposing Islam. The religion of peace.com. Lots of documentation. And it describes uh or it lists the Islamic atrocities.

Terrorist attacks. and I would ask him Why is it your religion is so violent, your people are so violent? Just ask them. If he says it's not true Islam, They go to Surah Nine. I don't know if you're familiar, but remember Sora 9.

In the Koran, Surah Nine, Surah means chapter.

So CHAPTER nine and you need to study chapter nine, verses five and twenty nine. In there it talks about killing unbelievers. Yeah, yeah, killing the infidel infidels, yeah. That's right. Yeah.

Okay.

So I'll look at those websites in the carm. And Matt, I appreciate your time and your ministry. Ain't no problem at all. No problem at all, man. Thanks, sir.

All right, God bless.

Okay.

God bless you. Bye.

Alright.

Alright, so there's a lot there and um Yeah, I've written a great deal on Islam. I've debated Muslims and impromptu discussions, formal debates, and things like that. And uh Islam is not the true religion. It's a religion from the devil. because it denies the true God.

It denies the true Christ. It says Mohammed's a prophet. who married a six-year-old, had relations with her at nine, who owned slaves, who had people killed. Who had no miracles, except they say the Quran's a miracle. Uh that's what they say.

Uh, he taught lying was okay. And then there was a time when Uh he was overtaken by Uh the the devil. and put verses in the Koran that had to be taken out later.

So there's these issues causing doubt. about uh his veracity and and truth. and the Quran gets many things wrong. about Christianity and science and things like that. Get it claims in sort of 482.

In Sura 482. If there's any discrepancies in the Qur'an, it's not from Allah.

Well Find them. Give em to the guy. Show contradictions. Show stuff. But they'll work hard at it.

They'll work hard at making everything fit. But it also comes down to this. Are they being good enough? I say to them, Why should I give up what I have in Jesus, complete and total forgiveness of all of my sins, for what you have? which is simply If you do enough good works and you're sincere enough, maybe you'll make it.

Why is that better than what I have?

Alright folks, I'm off and may the Lord bless you. We're going to be off Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. because of snowstorms in the area of the radio station where they do all that stuff. And so we'll be back on there live on Thursday next week. We'll talk to you then.

May the Lord bless you. And by his grace, we're back on here next week. on a Wednesday. We'll talk to them. God bless.

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