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It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick live. As usual, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call. Also, if you want to get in via email, that is easy.

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Email is info at C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And the subject line, radio comment, radio question. And we've got a lot of stuff going on. So, I'll just let you know about TikTok. What I'm doing in TikTok is I've finally got it working so that I can go in and do some live broadcasts and teaching. I plan to do that tonight. And a lot of people have been asking me to come on TikTok for a long time.

I finally did. And there we are. So, hopefully, by God's grace, we'll be able to do some stuff. People are already asking me questions about coming on tonight and teaching on various things. So, if you're interested in doing something like that, checking it out, it's easy.

All you got to do is go to TikTok and look for my name, Matt Slick. And hopefully, everything's working. Hopefully, the sync of sound and video is all the same, all proper in here. I don't know how it's working, but there you go. All right. So, tell you what. Okay, it looks bad. Well, let's see if I can figure it out.

I'll just try and figure it out as we're working on stuff. All right. Let's get to, let's see, first one is Chris from Idaho. Hey, Chris, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. How's it going? Oh, it's going, man. It's going. I'm just trying to figure things out as I go here. So, what do you got?

What's up? I'm trying to get a little bit more understanding about your stance with, because I know what the Calvinists do. The biggest thing is distinguished beliefs. I think a lot of your other beliefs are aligned with like the traditional non-denominational views on Christianity, but it's like the free will thing, the pre-selection, that's kind of the thing that stands out that a lot of people have conflicts on.

Is that, is that correct or? Well, a lot of people think that human free will is the final deciding factor in all things, and it's not. And they don't realize or fail to realize that God is the sovereign king, not us. And so what we want to understand and make sure that people understand is that whenever we do anything, it's under the sovereign will of God. Nothing can occur unless it is something that God has decreed to be able to occur. He can do that in different ways, but that's what it is, all right? So our free will works.

It just works under the sovereignty of God. Okay. I mean, because I've really been trying to like reflect on trying to find the hidden messages of God's character through Jesus Christ and like how he interacted with his disciples, because I think that's like, I was listening to this argument from an atheist or talk in this and I was after that, I, you know, I was reading or reading the passage about him falling asleep on the boat and, you know, the disciples were pretty much, you know, they're freaking out and he was, he kind of withdrew himself from the situation. I mean, I physically, but he was still present.

Yes. And like, I think that was kind of like a moment for me, but going back to, there are certain messages through there in this message and how he interacted with the disciples, but I'm trying to tie it back around to, um, free will. And I thought about like, oh, it was a, what interaction was it? Oh, he was talking to, I, I am afraid for you that you're not going to, that you're not going to fall like safe. It has come to safety, like we, so it seems like there was some flexibility in autonomy within Peter's free will at that point, like he could, so well, let's define our terms. Autonomy does not mean independence. We cannot have anything be autonomous. Now people want the idea of autonomy, but that's not something that's a biblically possible.

So autonomy, that means it's not connected to anything else or dependent on anything else. Well, obviously our existence is dependent upon Christ. Now he holds all things together with exertion of his will.

He was one, one through eight, one through three. So he does this. So our autonomy, our, excuse me, our free will is dependent upon our, our soul existing, our soul exists because of the work of God. So the question then becomes to what extent are we having true freedom inside of our, our nature and our essence.

And we do have freedom. If we define free will biblically, we have to define free will in a way to include God. So God is not able to do anything good and, uh, based on the good and bad, he could only do that, which is good or that, which is consistent with his nature. So a lot of times what people do is they define free will in a manner of as humanistic. You have to be able to do good and bad, be able to choose good and bad, do either one and no one forces you and you just freely choose. And they define free will on a humanistic level, but that excludes God because he cannot do anything bad.

He can only do that, which is consistent with his nature and his holy nature. So free will must be defined universally based on God's nature, not our nature. This is one of the problems that a lot of free willers do. They don't realize, realize it's a problem. So free will is the ability to make a choice that's consistent with your nature.

That's it. That's not forced on you. So then in that definition, everybody has free will. It's just that God is sovereign over that free will. He can work what he wants in your free will.

He opens the mind of people to believe the word of God and in Luke 24-45, he opened the heart of Lydia to believe the things spoken of by Paul in Luke 16-14. God moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go, Proverbs 21-1. So God is sovereign. God is the king. So we are free, but he is capable of doing what he wants even in our freedom.

Okay. But couldn't that be more just like his qualities are independent of us and like him, you're talking about like how he, what was your, what was your context there that you did, somebody you just brought up? Are you like the hardening of Pharaoh's heart? Like he didn't literally harden his heart, but he did. Yeah, he says I will harden his heart.

Yes. He said I will harden his heart. It's what it means. Yeah, I just, I don't think, I mean, but that's him imposing on the free will of him. I mean, he obviously used that for, you know, his purposes, but it's like, I guess, yeah. I mean, I kind of want to hear, hold on.

Hold on. Here's a principle. Now, we got to check our, check ourselves at the door before we go into the celestial kingdom of biblical truth. What are we carrying with us?

What baggage do we carry with us? So look, Exodus 4 21. The Lord said to Moses, when I go back, get a lot of noise in the background, man, he says, when I go back to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh, all the wonders which I put in your power, but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

So God hardened his heart so he would not let people go. What you have to do is accept it as true and not say it can't be true because of my assumption. You see what I'm saying? You there? Hello? Yes, yes, I'm here.

I just had to put it on mute, but I'm listening to you. Yes. Okay. And Exodus 9 12, the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart. And in Exodus 10 1, God, go to Pharaoh for I've hardened his heart and the heart of his servants and Exodus 11 10 and the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart. Exodus 14 4, I will harden Pharaoh's heart.

God hardened his heart. Okay. So we've got to believe that God.

Well, the only thing that I think about like when I think about free will is I just feel like his qualities are separate from us, but they're present with us so they can influence us to, you understand? Like, but they're independent, they're separate from our decisions. Okay.

And we have the children. Okay, let's talk about, I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to try and set you up. Okay, in a loving way. All right. Okay.

Do you believe God would never violate your free will? Okay. Is that a principle, right?

If it is, I can test. Yes. Okay.

All right. So let's say you're about to do something that is going to harm someone else. Like, let's just say you have a desire in your heart to do something and it's bad.

Let's just say, okay. Can God change your heart? Can you change your heart? God moves the heart of the, Proverbs 21 one, he moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go. Well, see, but I think there's, I think he can move me, but he's not, he's not the one that's doing the changing.

I have to be the one within myself. Yeah. You kind of ought to understand. I mean, I'm well, I know, but I'm not taking full credit. I'm just saying like his influence and his power and you're saying all these great qualities of God are obviously here with us and they're influencing us. But he has to allow us as free beings to within our heart. I just, I mean, that's what makes sense. Like I'm kind of going off a little bit of my, my heart and intuition that I don't know if it's, that's exactly right. You are, you're judging God by your sensibilities and your opinion, right?

And that's got to stop. And it, here's the thing is that what is the Bible say? Find out what it says, change your heart and your mind according to what it says. Okay, so God harden people's hearts. He can strengthen their hearts and he does it with Pharaoh. In fact, in Deuteronomy 2 30, but Sihon, King of Heshbon was not willing to live for us to pass to his land for the Lord. God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate.

Okay, that's what happened. So God does it now, you know, I used to think God will never violate your free will and I started thinking, well, where's that in the Bible? Where's in the Bible? God, is it such that God goes, oh, I can't fight their free will.

Oh, no, what am I going to do? Is that ever in the Bible? Because if I'm going to do something wrong and God stops me, okay, he can stop me. I like, I Paul the Apostle, Paul the Apostle was exercising his free will to go to kill Christians. Jesus intervened and stopped him, stopped him, but Paul's free will was to go and kill and yet Jesus says, no, you're not.

I'm going to stop you from doing that. Well, is that a violation of his will in a way? Yes, in a way. No, in a way. Yes, because Paul was going to do something and Jesus stopped him.

But in a way, no, because when you get the presence of Jesus there, you change internally. Also, do you see there's look at it. So hold on buddy. We've got a break. Okay, we'll be right back. Hey folks, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. Oh, I guess we got, we lost, we lost, what's his name?

And let's get to the next longest wait in person. Let's get to Scott from Utah. Scott, welcome. You are on the air.

Hi Matt, appreciate you taking my call. Me and my work partner, Pete, we're discussing the things going on in the Middle East and particular that Tucker Carlson and, and Ted Cruz interview where Genesis 12, 3 was bought up and I was just curious, what's your opinion are, are the, are the Jews today that don't believe in Christ are that are they God's chosen people or who, what, what do you think the reference to 12, 3 was actually talking about? It was to Abraham and those who bless you will, he'll bless Genesis 12, 1 through 3 and he represented his people to doctrine called federal headship with a male represented descendants and so he was a representative of the people of Israel and the coveted sign was circumcision in, for example in, let's see, Romans 11, 25, I think it is, it says, I do not want you brethren to be uninformed to this mystery so that you will not be wise in your own estimation that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in and all Israel will be saved. So Paul is telling us that Israel is not done with by God's standard. Israel, what is Israel? Israel is the nation proper. God knows who the descendants are biblically, I mean biologically, but generally speaking the house of Israel, that's who Jesus was sent to.

He was not sent to the world. He was sent only to the house of Israel in Matthew 15, 24. Israel broke the covenant.

We the Gentiles are then grafted in. So Israel deals with the people of Israel, the nation group. So he's not done with Israel and the people of the land over there are the Israelites and God's not done with them and we should support them. Doesn't mean we have to accept every single thing they say and do, but overall, that was the big controversy, right, with the, whether it's, they're talking about the government whether the government's representing the true Israel, you know, and they may have their own agenda and whatnot. Right and they may and even when the covenant Israel was blowing it, God was still covenantally faithful to them. So their performance doesn't negate God's faithfulness. That's the condition. That's the thing. So Israel is not done with, God hasn't finished with them yet. I know there's a lot of people who hold to what's called replacement theology where the Christian church has completely replaced Israel. I don't buy that.

That's just my opinion. I don't buy it. So God's not done with them, bless Israel. You don't have to believe everything that they say and do but here's how, you know, I'm 68. So there's no way I'm going to get drafted. But if I were ever drafted, they said you could go fight against Israel.

I'd say I'm not doing that. They say if any other country I can do that, but I'm not going to fight against God's people. Israel is not going to do it. I know, I know in our country, there's a lot of Jews, right? George Soros and Larry Sink and various others that are pushing like horrible devilish agendas and it's hard to believe like God was talking about those people. They're being used of Satan. Yes, it doesn't mean that every Jew is okay. See when God says he's not done with Israel, he's talked about the corpus of the the people of Israel as a group.

It doesn't mean that there aren't bad people within that group and there certainly are George Soros's, you know, he's an Antichrist, obviously. Okay, right. All right, that's all right. I appreciate it. Thank you. Hey, no problemos. Okay. God bless. All right.

All right now, let's see next longest waiting is Jermaine from California, Jermaine. Welcome, buddy. You're on the air. Play that great show today.

Thanks. Yeah, just want to ask about well demonized versus demonically possessed. I've always believed that true Christians can never be demonically possessed and I still hold to that based on experience and people I know who've been in the occult, but I hear some newer believers who swear they went to deliverance services and people who were going to Bible study who look like faithful Christians were supposedly, you know, I wasn't there so they're supposedly having these manifestations of some form of demon and maybe they didn't know about it. I guess when they go through the the whole ritual ceremony, I just wanted to kind of get your take on that because I I've spoken to people who like I said we're heavily involved in all kinds of Witchcraft and they they swore that they couldn't do anything to someone who's a real Christian doesn't mean they couldn't harass them, but they there was no possession and there's no, you know, none of the fantastic stories I hear but you have another side of people who are also good people, but they seem to think that maybe some Christians can be possessed if they're not letting go some things that are still occult.

They got as one to kind of hear what you have to say on that. Well, let's go to the scriptures and see what the scriptures say about this and we'll kind of get into it a little bit more. Now we go to Matthew chapter 12 starting at verse 43. Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man it passes through waterless places seeking rest and does not find it then it says I will return to my house from which I came and when it comes it finds it unoccupied swept and put in order then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more wicked than itself and things are worse. Okay, so the implication is since the house that's cleansed the human body this cleanse of a demon or demons is empty not not indwelt by the Lord then the demons can come back in the this is what the implication I wouldn't say it's logical proof, but it's the only place in scripture.

I'm aware of that talks about this issue and the condition is if it finds the house empty so the corollary would be well if it's not empty it can't go in. So this is what the proof text that I use or the text that I use to demonstrate that Christians cannot be possessed by demonic forces. Now, Jesus says in John 14 23 that he and the Father will come and make their abode in you. How could a demon be in there with God? It doesn't make any sense. And so no they can't be demon possessed.

However, they can be oppressed some people call that demonized but basically it's an oppression and certainly there could be oppressive forces that can focus on certain Christians to ruin their lives to make them paranoid to turn them into Democrats. Whatever you want to call it. Okay, the work and you'll do that kind of thing. So, okay. And I'm just a quick follow-up. So a lot of the people I hear these stories from where they saw they were believers and maybe they think I always hear of them not letting go of some occultic thing that they they shouldn't have to me whether it be you know, mystical items in their home or think things that they overtly know are no-no for a Christian. Do you think that's possibly what's going on with some of those folks? Sure.

Absolutely. See objects can have connections in the occult. So just because now here's I'm going to be careful. So just because you have for example crystals in your house doesn't mean they're portals to the demonic but if crystals are used for contacting spirits contacting Earth energy Mother Gaia all this New Age idiocy and they are specifically used for that purpose. Then there can be a sense of a demonic attachment to that object.

If the object is moved to another person's location, then the theory goes the attachment can go with it. So this is called open doors. You got to be careful and there's a break. So hold on. I'll be right back brother. And hey folks, we're at that gaff for these messages talking about this.

We've got no open lines right now. So please stay tuned. Be right back after these messages. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call at the bottom of the hour here, it's 877-207-2276.

Let's get back on with Jermaine from California Jermaine. Welcome. You're on your buddy.

All right. Yeah, I appreciate your answer Matt and I was going to say I've known many people more than I felt comfortable with some of them family actually and they have big Bibles. They some of them go to church, but then I find out they're burning incense and candles and consulting psychics and into fortune-telling and then they all had mysterious things happen in their home and their lives and they they couldn't figure it out.

And meanwhile, I had nothing going on. So, you know, I wonder if those are the people who are saying they're Christian that are having those problems and then, you know using that as a proxy proof that all Christians can be demonized and or deal with possessed. It's like well according to your own actions. You're Christian. Yeah, if they're practicing those things that's really bad.

You go to Deuteronomy 18 10 through 12 and it says there there shall not be found among anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire one who uses divination one who practices witchcraft or one who interprets omens or a sorcerer one who casts a spell or a medium or spiritist when it calls up the dead. So they are in great sin in doing that and I what I have sometimes done with people is I'll just say you know, you're doing this what you're doing is opening yourself up to demonic oppression. If you're not a Christian to possible possession, you will continue to have things like this happen and this is your fault. You need to understand that this is a serious thing. You need to stop.

I just tell him flat out. That's what you got to do sometimes. Okay. Yeah, people are their own choice. Oh, that's that's okay.

Yeah, that's right, buddy. All right. Well, I appreciate it man. Appreciate it. You're always good man. And I'm just hoping you come through Idaho sometime or if I get down to Cali in your area.

I'll let you know. All right. Hey, I appreciate that that God bless you.

Have a good weekend YouTube brother. God bless. All right.

That's Jermaine. I feel like he's my friend. Have we only talked on the radio? All right. Let's get to Nelson from California Nelson. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, man. God bless my brother.

God bless. Hey, well, if you ever do come to California, let me know because I live in Austin, California. Where do you live? And so I live in Vacaville, California. Oh, Vacaville, the desert. Yeah. So movie on Calville.

Yeah, I know. I've been up there up 95. Yep.

And pretty close to Napa. Yeah, so what do you got man? What's up?

So so my question is it kind of it kind of goes along with the first caller. It's like about free will I just had a good well childhood friend of mine that I witnessed the gospel several years ago couple years ago about 2022. And unfortunately, he committed suicide just this month.

I'm sorry. And you know, and it is hard and I don't really how to know I'm not going to say in this cell and sound sad to me saying this but I am accepting it that he is possibly in hell. And so I don't know because he he rejected the gospel but the hope that I have is that at the very last seconds of his breath as he hung himself, I hope and I believe the mentally he called out to the Lord at that stage is he regretted it and and God's and God snatched them.

So really I don't know if he's in hell or not, but my question is with that. For person to have done that. It's kind of hard. I mean I am reformed but how can I wrap my mind around something like that to well make it reformed. I guess I'm having trouble to write my mind up on that. Well, God allows us to do things even in Reformed theology. We have the freedom to be able to make choices good and bad. God's not surprised by them. It's not that God is so in control of everything. He can be if he desires but it's not so much.

He's in control that we can't do anything. We can certainly make mistakes. We can do all kinds of wrongs and we can even kill ourselves. Sometimes accidentally sometimes intentionally and we you are right with trust God that maybe and our hope is that the last moment he trusted reached out to Christ.

And that's all we can hope for now. Some will say excuse me. Some will say that if you commit suicide you automatically go to hell and I don't believe that because the Bible does not say suicide is an unforgivable sin and people who commit suicide are often mentally not with it and I don't mean they're stupid but they can be under such great stress and things can just come down on them that they're not in the right minds and they just they just do things that you know a week later with a with some meds or some rest they to go. What was I thinking, you know, so I just don't see that as a as a precursor to automatic damnation.

I just don't believe it's the case. Now some will say you have to be able to repent of your sin in order to be saved. Well, if repentance is what saves us then we're all in trouble because we don't repent of all of our sins.

We may say we do but we don't but nevertheless so I'm with you brother. I'm just going to hope that somehow someway that he in a stress in the last moment. He called out it's even possible that he could have called out in his stressful action because such times sin and stress can be so intertwined that he'll completely illogical dumb things are done and yet God is in them and you can work through them. So yeah, because I do know this that I'm when I been when I spoke to him he blamed God for us not hanging out no more ever since I became a believer and you know, he kept just kind of blasphemy the name of God and and so he accused me that I was involved in one of my friends murder and I'm just like wow. Look how the enemy basically wrapped his mind around that and I got to witness the gospel to him. But at the same time I it's just hard how to deal with it and I'm learning to trust God more and more to this and it is difficult and so yeah, I just um, but um, it is tough thing.

And so I know that he was from what I heard that he was super super drunk and he did it and so he was just getting worse and worse over the years and so but I did my hope is that he cried out to God in his mind. And so um, that's what we can all for yeah, that's it. Give it to God line. Just just give it to God.

That's all you can do. Okay, brother. All right. Thank you very much. All right, man. You too.

God bless. All right. All right.

Now let's get to Dave from North Carolina. Yeah, I know the forums are still down. I got to work on them. Okay. Okay, good.

I'm glad about that. I want you to get it fixed because I was going to go on there and start posting again and you wouldn't let me through and I thought at first it was my fault, but no no, no, it's just I made a preliminary. Yeah, the thing I want to ask you though apart from that is a question that after I ask you I'm going to hang up and let you talk and I'll listen to it on my laptop. But that what is your view of scripture prophecy in regards to the current Iran Israel conflict and that's my question and I want to thank you for taking my call. Sure.

No problem. Okay of the present condition. So all right, so I don't see the conflict between Iran and Israel to be any specific biblical prophecy fulfillment. I just I just see it as a generic the nations of the gathered against Israel and though it's not completed yet. That's going to happen and Iran is you know, it's a Muslim country.

They really take the Quran seriously in the Hadith that's why it's so bad. But so I would just say that that let's just see what happens a lot of people are saying that it's biblically prophesied in certain areas and maybe it is, you know, maybe there's someone who knows something in in the Hebrew about certain lands that or prophesied to come against Israel in the latter days and I'm just not aware of that if you do have that specific information, just let me know, you know, and that's fine because I don't know everything. So there you go.

That's all I know and we'll just see. All right. Now, let's get to Scott from Washington Scott.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how's it going that now? Let's go on man. It's going to break coming up here in a sec.

But what do you got buddy? Good first off again. I just want to thank you for the show.

I probably one of the many people I heard at least two callers this past week to say based on all the names comment about the Happy Meal thing. Oh, yeah, and it could hold on brother. Hold on Scott. Yeah, we got a break hard break and we'll get back to you after the break on your side there. So please stay tuned and folks have one open line up.

I just went filled. So we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt slick. All right, when welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air here with Scott from Washington Scott. Welcome.

You're on the air buddy. Hey, so what I was saying all this summarize it quickly with I heard him talking about that giving a Happy Meal a month kind of a thing and it struck another guy and it struck another guy and now it struck me so I signed up for five dollars a month and I'm happy to do so because I really appreciate your ministry one thing I was just having one of my students. I work for a ministry here one year program and he had some questions on Bible translations and I know a fair deal on most but I've never heard of this version. So I was wondering what you knew about it. It's called the NLV new life version. Huh? No, I've not heard of it either new life version of the Bible. All right. No, I've not heard of it.

It's but I'm doing research on it right now. It's for it's a simple apparently a dynamic translation. So they're basically three main types of translation principles formal equivalence dynamic equivalence and paraphrase. So a formal equivalence it tries to be word-for-word dynamic tries to get to the thought it's thought for thought and then there could be variations, you know, and then a paraphrase is very loose rewording. So like for example the Phillips translation, so the new life versions first. I've heard of it. Sorry to say but it was published in 1969 the whole Bible 1986.

So okay. Yeah, it's I don't know if it's good or bad. I would have to look at certain verses in it like Titus 2 13 Romans 5 18. Yeah, I'd go into Hebrews 1 1 through 3 I would check on a few things Colossians 2 14 2 Corinthians 5 14. These are the kind of verses I would go to to check the translation because sometimes particularly Romans 5 18 I use that as a pretty much go-to verse to see what is happening in a translation level. The King James totally messes it up. The NASB is very accurate.

The ESV is not as accurate, but it's very good. So just stuff like that and that's just my opinion. So but the new life version, I don't know.

I haven't really heard anything about it. So if he's using it as long as it's not denying the deity of Christ and and rewording complex things then I wouldn't worry about it. Now the NLV for example John 3 16 God love the world.

He gave his only son whoever puts his trust in God's son will not be lost but will have life that lasts forever. So it's more of a paraphrase between Dynamic and paraphrase so it's okay for now for a new believer who wants to just get the basic ideas. That's a decent apparently what I've seen it looks pretty decent.

But if you want to do serious study the NASB is really where you want to be. Okay. Okay, great. And then I have one for myself my own question.

Sure. So, you know you and people like you and me in this area. We enjoy learning a lot.

It's my favorite thing to do. It's just to study to learn and just keep keep doing that. And so I was you know, pondering about what heaven might be like and I was just wondering is there anywhere in the Bible that that would be against the notion that perhaps in heaven we could learn things that we would be learning to learn that the point is to learn not exactly like a school or anything, but you know something where we're will be learning is that thing that's possible. Absolutely. We will be learning more about God's glory more about the wonders of of the beauty of the Lord Jesus Christ will be able to interact with people we've known and people we haven't known in heaven.

Like one of the things you'll learn when you meet me in heaven is what I look like and act like without sin at first you won't recognize me, but eventually it'll feel figured out. Sure. I'm smiling. Yeah, I just I don't know I was I was thinking about that and I it's again.

It's it's a very enjoyable thing and you know learning about truly purely good things truly wonderful and wondering sort of amazement types of deals in it. I don't know. I just thought about it. And so I sure hope that's the case. That's good. I'm sure I'm be learning. I'm sure. It'll be I don't think it'll be formal.

I think it'll be accidental and just natural. Oh, yeah. Yeah, interesting. Okay, right.

Well, those are the two questions I had. I had a one last one if you wanted it or I can let you move on. Let's move on. We got two callers waiting and then we'll call back tomorrow.

I mean, it's gonna be Monday. All right. Okay, sounds good. Thanks, man. All right, better. God bless man. All right. Yeah, I know Scott. He's a good guy.

He is a good guy. Okay, let's get next. Longest waiting is Chris from Idaho.

Chris. Welcome. You're on the air, buddy. Okay, so we got disconnected.

Sorry about that. So you had used Paul as a reference for the free will thing that God basically changed his heart and I would just say that God and his all-knowing knowledge knew that this was the guy that he would need to basically come in and influence but I don't think that can hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on wording is important. Did you say God would need him to do something? Well, I'm what I'm saying is God. I think we're kind of getting mixed up here because I think yeah, God knows all things and he knows he doesn't need anything. He just he just decided to use Paul for his sovereign purposes. Yeah, that's all right. But you told me that he he changed his heart and I think it was well, he knew that and his all-knowing knew that he would be the one that he would need to approach to what will will will will will will Christianity.

Okay. Now you're getting humanistic you Paul God knew that Paul would be the one he needed to approach. He can do whatever he wants with whoever he wants. Right now the so many need to teach a little bit a little theology or just a little bit. So it's called the a sea of God. God is a say now what that means is God is not dependent on anyone for thoughts for his decisions or his knowledge or his existence is eternally non-contingent. He doesn't it doesn't need us for anything to complete his thoughts or to complete his actions. That's just a doctrine. You have to understand and you need to accept so when God uses people it's because of his sovereign will not because he needs a particular person to do something. Okay, he he can ordain anything in any one whenever he desires.

All right. Okay, right, but I mean, I don't I don't think that that was a stopping point. I think Paul could have that you were saying he changed him and it's like Paul could have actually completely avoided the words of Christ and you know did whatever I I think so I don't think so and the reason I say I don't think so is now this is where I'm getting out of scripture and I can only talk about experience. So when I got saved at 17, I was tricked into walking up front now.

I'm only going to use this as an experience. It's not doctrine. I'm not saying this you need to look but this is something I firmly believe it's consistent with Scripture when it says in the presence of the of God people say get away from me. I'm an unclean person, you know, the glory of God is too much. Well, what happened for me was as I walked up front to receive the Lord without knowing that's what I was going to do and I got on my knees whatever blah blah blah give Jesus a try blah blah blah all of a sudden the Holy Spirit was there was such power that I was instantaneously reduced to a massive sobbing repenting tears. I just threw my face to the ground and was wailing and moaning in agony in the presence of incredible holiness.

This is I'm not just making this up. This really is what happened and it's went on and on for a minute or two and it was so overwhelming that there was no option for me not to believe it wasn't as being forced to it's just what it is. It's like if you you know, you you're at night you're lost and you're going through a clip. I mean a road a path and it's dark and you don't know what to do.

So you just camp out right there. You fall asleep when you wake up and in the morning you realize you're three foot from a cliff. Well, I decide not to believe the cliff is there. It isn't when the just the reality of its existence isn't what forces you to believe you just do because that's what reality is and so the reality of God's presence necessitates certain reactions and the presence of God's glory.

What's necessitated is your broken heart. You are undone. That is it that is it and that's what happened to me and then Jesus was there. I couldn't see him or touch him, but I remember his presence.

I remember everything about him and he was there and then I'll skip all the stuff and go up back back onto the trail this conversation, but don't don't think that the sovereignty of God in the greatness of God's incredible holiness is such that you went when you are on your on your face moaning in agony because his Holiness has been turned upon your soul showing you your sin to yourself in the presence of his greatness and you're going to go. Yeah, you know what? I think I'm going to reject him. It's just not going to happen. It's like saying and it's not there. I don't need to believe it.

It's just doesn't happen. Okay. Okay, but I think the thing that you're missing here is if God in his all-knowing knew that you would start a pollock ministry that would be very effective.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hold on. You don't he didn't know I would do it. He ordained that I would do it. He arranged for me to do it.

He put it upon my heart to study. Look, I don't talk about this hardly ever ever ever mentioned this but there was a moment there was a time after I was saved and walking with the Lord. I'll just say it that I'll just say it is that there was a time what after I was a Christian I was confused and I I got angry at God.

I shook my fist up in the air God to leave me alone. And what happened was for a month. I lost my memory. I lost my I don't have any recollection of this memory of a whole month. But all I know is after that month was over. I was a is actually on fire for the Lord and was studying six to eight hours a day reading the Bible when the Bible studies six nights a week insatiably needing that was from him. He's the one who put that in me. He's the one I'm skipping a lot of details, but there was a he changed me. It wasn't me.

Hey, I'm going to do that. No, it was God putting the desire in my heart God the one who put the unction upon me God's the one who did this he called just like he called Paul you're going to be this what you're going to do. You're going to go be a possible to the Gentiles.

I believe that God formally purposely called me to be a Christian apologist and I got a lot of reasons for that. But anyway, you see what I'm saying? Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, I see what you're saying, but I would actually say that I think the process of what happened to you is more of a sanctification because you already had given your life over to Christ. Well, I'll tell you that was a sanctifying going on, you know, I like to say to people my life here by my 4x4 in heaven is round all right, man. Well, I mean, I don't completely agree with you, but I mean, I respect your view and I mean, I'll keep looking into it and sure respectfully disagree with you. That's all right.

Because I just think yeah, but as long as you're loving Jesus appreciate that done. All right, brother. Okay, you call back. All right. All right.

All right. Now, I'd love to get to Andrew on axe 238 one of my favorite verses of the Bible to talk about but we are out of time. I can teach on axe 238 for about 10 15 minutes straight. Now what I will do tonight could tell you if Andrew if you're listening is I'm going to go to tick-tock open up a studio tonight go live and I have some feelings that I have a feeling people going to want to talk about baptism and that's been some of the inquiries about X 238 of all things as well.

I can teach on it. But there we go. Sorry about that Andrew.

I know you're waiting 16 minutes. May the Lord bless you. Hey folks. We are out of time.

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