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Give me a call and what I'll do now, because we have nobody waiting right now, I'm going to get to some of the radio questions that have been sitting here for a while. And let's see, let's see, let's see, how about this one? Can you explain why it is fair that everyone born automatically inherits sin nature even though they weren't the one who picked the fruit? I struggle with understanding and accepting this. Okay, so let's go to Romans 519. I'm going to read something and then I'm going to go into a little bit of theological explanation of why this is necessary. So in Romans 519 it says this, it says, for as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners. So in the Greek, I'm going to get into this a little bit, the many were made sinners. Were made sinners is what's called the aorist passive indicative.
Now it may sound like highfalutin stuff, but let me explain why it's important. Aorist tense means past tense and passive voice. There's active, passive, and middle voice in Greek.
Active voice is performing the action, passive voice is receiving the action, middle voice is performing the action on yourself. So they were made sinners, the many were made sinners by Adam's fall. So when he fell, we fell in him. And you can find this also in 1 Corinthians 15 22 and I'll read that to you. It says here, in Adam all die, so also in Christ all should be made alive. Now I'm going to explain something about the phrase in Adam and the phrase in Christ. There is a doctrine in Christianity called federal headship. Federal headship is the teaching that the male, not the female, but the male represents a descendant. So Adam and Eve were in the garden, she sinned first, but sin entered the world through Adam. That's Romans 5-12.
But she was in the world, but she was not the representative, she was not the head. So in Adam is a term of federal headship and representation. In Christ is a term of representation of federal headship. In fact, just to take a little tangent off of this, this is Romans 6-6, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him.
Well when was Jesus crucified two thousand years ago? Our old self was crucified with him. That's federal headship, representation. In Romans 6-8, now if we have died with Christ, we believe we should also live with him.
This is also federal headship. We died with Jesus. Now some people like to say that you die with Jesus when you get baptized.
That's not true. You die with Jesus when he died. You're crucified with Christ when he was crucified. Alright, now also I'm going to go to Romans, Colossians 3, starting at verse 3. It says, for you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
That's good enough right there. Colossians 3, you have died, your life is hidden with Christ in God. Now some might think you died in your baptism or when you became a believer. That's when you died yourself. But that's not the teaching.
It's not the teaching of federal headship. Now why am I bringing this up? Because we go to 1 Corinthians 15, 45. It says, it says, the first man, Adam, became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Now the first Adam was Adam, but the last Adam was Jesus. The last Adam was Jesus.
So, here's the thing. Jesus represented us on the cross. He bore our sin in his body on the cross, 1 Peter 2.24. So he became sin on our behalf, 2 Corinthians 5.21.
He's the one who did this. So, he represents us on the cross. The reason Adam has representative power is because of Christ's representative power. Because Adam is called the first Adam, Jesus is called the last Adam.
So their federal headship relationship is established in 1 Corinthians 15, 45. So the reason we fell in Adam is for the same reason, kind of, that we are alive in Christ. Because both are the representatives of whom they represent and the phrase in Adam in Christ is a term of federal headship representation. So Christ represented us on the cross, so we are alive. We're crucified with him. We died to sin.
Now that's an interesting ramification to this logically, but we won't get into that right now. And this is why Adam had the ability to be able to represent us. Because he was, in fact you stretch this and say, he's a type of Christ. In that he was the one who represented mankind where Jesus is the one who represented his people. And so since the Bible is about Jesus, we need to look at Adam in light of Christ's revelation.
And when you do that, then it makes sense. Alright, okay, let's see. Let's see, we're going to get to Patrick. And for those of you, I think he's the Patrick who doesn't have all his paws in the litter box.
Let's just see. Patrick, welcome, you're on the air. Oh, hi, Matt. Well, I got a question for you. Can you tell me everything you know about John the Baptist? I could, but it would take too long.
So what do you want to know specifically? Okay, my main point is that it mentions that he wore clothes like a camel's skin. And was there a reason for that? Yes, because he was the representation of Elijah. Elijah had, he wore camel's hair, camel's garment mantle. And so there's a theory that Adam's, not Adam, John the Baptist's dad Zechariah was in the temple. And one of the ideas is that he had access to the mantle hair left by Elijah, passed down through the generations, gave it to John the Baptist.
That's why they were going out to see him in the desert. Just a theory. But hold on, we've got a break, okay?
A hard break. Folks, we'll be right back after these messages, please. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.
Here's Matt Slick. Alright everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it is easy.
All you gotta do is dial 877-207-2276. And you can get to me here. Let's see, let's get back on with Patrick from North Carolina. Patrick, you're back on the air.
Okay, I'm here. Well, what I was thinking is, you know what, when in the Old Testament it talks about they wore sackcloth? Yes. You know what that means, sackcloth? Yeah, it's a really rough, it's a rough material used to carry items. And when people would wear it, they would cut a hole in a top like a bag, and put their arms out it, and they'd wear that. It was a sign of repentance, a sign of kind of a penance thing.
Not that penance gets you anything, but that kind of stuff. And that's what John the Baptist was wearing camel hair, because he was doing it because of mourning and repentance, you know, sorrow. And because, you know, John preached a baptism of repentance. And I think that's the reason they mention what he was wearing is to say that John the Baptist, you know, he was all about coming to a real repentance, a real sorrowful.
And would you believe that makes sense? Well, I would say that if you want to talk about repentance, it might be a symbol of him calling others to repentance. But in Matthew 3-4, he had a garment of camel's hair. Elijah had the camel's hair also, and Jesus says that John the Baptist was Elijah, not in the reincarnation, but he was Elijah, and his ministry and his work.
So I think that it was due to that, and probably several things with it, related to it. Well, you know, when the Pharisees came up to John the Baptist, he said, you blood of vipers show fruits of repentance. What do you think the fruits of repentance are? Well, some of the fruit of repentance is believing in Jesus for who he really is, not for the false doctrines of so many places. You want to turn from your sin, you want to turn from false doctrine, you want to turn from egotistic action, you want to repent, to turn. Turn to Christ in so many ways, okay? Well, no, I think that it's more or less talking about, you know, like in Acts 2-38 they were cut to the heart.
I believe the people were cut to the heart, emotional, they were actually, it all rotates around living water, which is fears of repentance. Do you believe that? No, no, no. Pat, we've talked about this so many times, that you say baptism is crying tears, it's not. Yes, it is.
No, it's not. Because they were baptized, they went into the water at the end of Acts chapter 8. Ethiopian eunuch and Philip went into the water, they didn't go into tears.
Your position makes no sense, you need to abandon it. You need to repent. Well then, why is it in your testimony? I mean, the day you were saved, you were crying like a baby. Yeah, that's not baptism, that's crying. No, but that was the day you were saved. Okay, look, Patrick, let me ask you a question. When Jesus was baptized, I believe he was sprinkled in water.
I know it, you're wrong. Well, you can say that, but I have the verses for Old Testament scriptures as fulfillment of the law. Now, let me ask you, was he crying? Was that it? That was his baptism? Well, he refused to baptize John the Baptist in water, because he said, we must do this now to fulfill all righteousness. Because the baptism of Jesus wasn't for Jesus, it was so John the Baptist could complete his testimony. No, it was for Jesus, he had to be fulfilled. He had to be baptized to enter into that Melchizedek priesthood, according to the Old Testament law, Leviticus 8, Numbers 4, and Exodus 29. So look, I've got the article on Carm about why Jesus was baptized. You can go and look at the scriptures, because he had to fulfill righteousness. Let's fulfill the Old Testament. So I'll tell you what, I've got a challenge for you, Patrick. Why don't you go to the Old Testament and find the things that Jesus was fulfilling when he was getting baptized, all right?
Go ahead. Yeah, but the baptism was in the New Testament. We're gonna go, we're gonna go, but it was, yeah, we're gonna go.
See if you can do that, that's what Jesus says, okay. Yeah, let's, I'd like to say Patrick does not have all his paws in the litter box, all his theological paws. Let's get to Dave from North Carolina. Dave, welcome, you're on the air. Hey, Matt, I got two things.
One, I've been trying to get on car forms all day, and it says bandwidth limit exceeded. Yeah, I have to go take care of that. I've got to figure it out.
Is that a project I've got to do? But I'll work on it, and okay. Yeah, okay, because something's wrong with getting on there. The second thing is that you were mentioning about the baptism. I was raised a Baptist, and we were taught that the Greek word for baptism was immerse, and I want to hear your comments. I'm not going to debate you, I'm just going to hang up and let you talk all you want to about it.
Let me, well, I accidentally canceled my, I was watching you talk. Can you tell me in just a few minutes why you don't believe that that means immerse? It can, but you see the thing is it's used in different contexts, and let me show you a couple of them, all right. So, for example, we go to Acts 1 5, and what it says there is John baptized with water, you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit. This is what Jesus says, Acts 1 5. Well, the Holy Spirit is poured. The Holy Spirit is poured. That's how the Holy Spirit comes, and this is prophesied in Joel 2 28 29, fulfilled in Acts 2 17 and 18, and I can give you other references. So, let's assume, let's assume that the word baptized means immerse. John immersed you with water, you'll be immersed with the Holy Spirit, but that's not how it works. That's not the pattern of scripture that is mentioned there.
Holy Spirit is poured, per Isaiah 32 15 44 3, Joel 2 28 29, Acts 2 18. So, it's just there. Now, that's one point. Now, I'm going to show you something else. A cognate of a word is a word that has different forms.
Actor, actors, actress, actresses. So, baptism can have, in Greek, cognates, or have different forms. What I'm going to do is go to Hebrews 9, and I think it's at verse 10, because the word washings in Greek is babtis meus. If babt means immerse, babtis meus means emergence then, but this is what it says, since they relate to food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. Well, what the context is, and you're going to have to go look at the context of Hebrews 9, the washings, the babtis meus, were sprinklings in the Old Testament context. That's what it was, and you can read it, you can go through, you can see what was going on, do the cross-references in the Old Testament, and that's how it was. Now, here's something else, okay, let's see, baptized with, let me show you something, I'm going to find this, here we go. So, what does it mean to be baptized with water? How does the Bible use the action, the formulation of an action with something? When we get back from the break, I'll explain some more and show you something, okay?
So, I know this is not popular, but it's what the Scriptures are teaching. Okay, hold on, we've got a break, okay? Hey folks, be right back after these messages with Dave, and I'm going to mess you guys up when it comes to baptism, so be right back, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Let's get back on with Dave from North Carolina.
Dave, you still there? Yes. All right, now, I've done an extensive study on this issue of baptism, and let me show you a pattern, a pattern of a verb and then with, a verb and with. How does God use baptized with or anointed with? So, for example, what does it mean to baptize with water?
How does the Bible use the idea of action with something? We are anointed with oil, which means the oil is applied to the person. Likewise, items are cleansed with blood, which means they're applied to the people. People were sprinkled with blood, Jesus was anointed with perfume and with ointment.
We are anointed with the Holy Spirit because this Holy Spirit is poured upon us. Old Testament priests were sprinkled with water. The unclean were sprinkled with water.
People were sprinkled with water to be cleansed, etc. So, what does it mean to be baptized with water? Does it suddenly mean with water means now you're immersed? Well, I've been taught that it always means immersed. Well, it doesn't.
Clearly, it does not always. So, Mark 1-8, I baptize you with water, but he'll baptize you with the Holy Spirit. It's not saying that Jesus will immerse you in the Holy Spirit. That's not how the pattern goes.
This is not it. And so, we have all these verses that talk about Jesus being anointed with, cleansed with, baptized with. All the pattern in the Bible is that the with is an object applied to the subject. Always. That's how it is.
But suddenly, baptized with water means you're immersed in water, but it breaks the pattern that I've found in Scripture. And I can go on and on. There's a lot more to go if you want. Yeah, I don't mind hearing you at all. I'm soaking this up, listening to it. I don't believe it yet, but I want to hear it so I can do further research. And as long as no one else is lying, waiting to get in, I want to hear you for as long as you can.
Well, let me go on a little bit more about it, okay, and show you some stuff. Let's go to, for example, in Acts chapter 8. It says, this is the Ethiopian eunuch. Now, people will say, well, you came up out of the water means you're immersed in the water. Not necessarily. Because when I was in Southern California, we'd go to the beach, we'd say to our kids, get out of the water. They'd only be up to the water up to their knees.
And we'd say, get out, come on out of the water. Does it mean they were immersed? So, and furthermore, here's a proof of this in Acts chapter 8, starting at verse 38. And he ordered the chariot to stop. They both went down into the water, Philip, as well as the eunuch. And he baptized him. When they came up out of the water, well, wait a minute. If it means to come up out of the water means you're immersed, well, then was Philip also immersed? Because they went down into the water and he was baptized.
So, it doesn't make sense to say that they both were immersed in the water. Now, here's another issue. We can get into this a lot. And so, in Acts chapter 2, 3,000 people were baptized. So, there's a lot of problems, okay?
A lot of problems in the upper room. They couldn't baptize 3,000 people in the upper room. If 12 disciples were baptizing for eight hours, all 3,000 people, it would take, it would roughly require 31 baptisms per hour or one every two minutes. That's if all 12 disciples were baptized. That's 120 disciples that were already in Jerusalem. Yeah, but we don't know how many were doing any baptisms.
I'm just using the 12. So, we'll just say that because you can, and then it's just, if it's 120, then it's just one-tenth of that or 10 times longer. But here's some logistical issues. An estimate for enough water to baptize a single person is about 80 gallons.
Each gallon weighs 8.3 pounds, which is approximately 664 pounds. So, if they're baptizing in the upper room, then they won't be able to do 120 at a time. They can only do one at a time because closer to 700 pounds of water has got to be trekked upstairs into a single thing for them to baptize. It makes no sense. They wouldn't be able to do it that way. So, they would have to go out to, not to the fountain because they're not going to baptize 3,000 people in a fountain.
You'll make it filthy. So, they had to probably go to the Jordan River. I've been to the Jordan River. Typically, the Jordan River is cold in the winter and warm in the summer and the temperature range is approximately 50 to 85 degrees. So, the average is around 75 degrees. The average person can experience hypothermia in about two hours in 75 degree water. I used to go to Southern California, surf, body surf, all this stuff, and I had to wear a wetsuit. Even when it was 75 degree water, which was a warm day, you had to wear a wetsuit because you can get hypothermia.
You can't. So, were the disciples standing waist deep in the Jordan baptizing for eight hours? For eight hours in 75 degree water? No, Jordan was too far from Jerusalem anyway. Right. Jordan, they couldn't baptize in the same day.
Yeah, so there's problems. See, there's all kinds of problems here logistically to say that they were immersed. However, if they were to take a branch, a hyssop branch, like at the Jordan, and they were to dip it in the water and sprinkle them like they were doing in the Old Testament, then you could do 3,000. If they had an upper room, because there's not 3,000 people in the upper room, but 3,000 people outside, you're not gonna be able to do that by immersion because there's just no running water inside of Jerusalem.
You can't do that. Right. So, it makes more, logistically, it makes more sense to say that they had water poured on them or they were sprinkled with water.
But wait, there's more. It says in Mark 1-5, and this is just speculation, so I'm just admitting this is speculation, but look at this. And all the country of Judea was going out to him, John the Baptist, and all the people of Jerusalem, they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.
So, all the country of Judea, all the people of Jerusalem. Now, that's obviously an exaggeration. It's hyperbole. So, how many people were going out there in reality? Well, I don't know. I can't tell you, but I can do guessing.
So, I did some mathematics research. Population estimates for Judea and Jerusalem at the time of Christ was 1.9 million people. Second Samuel 24-9 gives us a census, as does First Chronicles 21, etc.
And so, in Jerusalem alone, during the time of the feast, it could swell to 180,000 people. So, these are just speculations. So, let's just say that if 10% of the population was going out to be baptized by John the Baptist, how long was his ministry? Well, it goes from long to short, but the average is 14 months. That's the average speculation of how long he was doing work, doing baptism.
This is all just speculation, all right, but based on some evidence. If John alone was baptizing for 14 months, then he'd have to do 13,857 baptisms a month. If we grant 30 days as a month, then that'd be 462 baptisms a day at eight hours a day, which would be 72 per hour or roughly one every minute, non-stop, eight hours a day.
It can't happen. Now, if 10% were going out and if three of John's disciples were doing this, then 19 per hour. If six, then it would be seven per hour. If 12, it'd be five per hour.
Every day, for eight hours a day, 30 days a month. If 12 of his disciples, if he had 12, if they were out there doing that all the time, and that's just at 10%. And, you know, this doesn't prove anything, but it does show, wait a minute, this doesn't just fit, that it has to be immersion all the time. It just doesn't quite fit.
It's just too difficult. Plus, if it's immersion, think of this. This is something no one thinks about. If an average person, let's just say an average person weighed 100 pounds back then, and they're wearing clothing, and they walk out into the Jordan River to be baptized by John. If the Jordan River is up to his stomach, he can get hypothermia in about three to four hours. If it's down to his knees, he can last two, three, four hours longer than that.
All right, but if it's down to his knees to drop someone down into that water and then lift them up, if he weighs 100 pounds of going down, then lifting up, he might weigh two or three more pounds with water soaked on the clothing. Do that once a minute. Can I ask you a question? Hold on one second. The point is this.
If you do that, your back will give out in a short period of time. It doesn't make sense. Okay, go ahead.
What's your question? Okay, the question is the Jordan River. Pentecost happened around the beginning of summer, late spring, early summer.
Jordan River is down in a valley. We've got a break. Yeah, it would have been cold. It would have been cold.
No, I've been there and the river coming down off the hills would have been cold from the winter because even in spring. Hold on buddy, we've got one more break. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. Music It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, I'm going to welcome back to the show. Thanks for listening.
Let's get back on with Dave from North Carolina. Okay, you're still there? Yes. Okay, so I was giving you this information because I want you to understand it's not an arbitrary thing I've come up with.
It's studied and applying logic, asking lots of questions, you start realizing there's some problems if it's immersion every single time. It just doesn't quite make sense. Furthermore, when Jesus was fulfilling all righteousness at his baptism, I've done an extensive study on this and it looks like in Leviticus 8, Numbers 4, and Exodus 29, these are the chapters that designate what a man needed to do and be 30 years of age, do and be in order to enter into the priesthood. Now Jesus is a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. Hebrews 5, 6, and 7 talks about this. Well, according to the law, verbal blessing, my beloved son whom I'm well pleased, 30 years of age, Jesus was 30, anointed with oil, that's the Holy Spirit, and he had to be sprinkled with water, Numbers 8, 7.
Had to be sprinkled. That was the requirement for entering into the priesthood. Now Jesus was made under the law, Galatians 4, 4. So, okay, I looked for all instances of water dealing anywhere with the priesthood aspects and not a single place could I find where they were immersed in water to enter into priests or do priesthood work. In fact, they would go to the door of meeting and they would be anointed with water or washed with water while they're clothed, while they're standing up. They'd be washed with water. The water was applied to them and then they were cleansed. But I could find nothing that suggested or demonstrated that the Old Testament requirement for entering into the priesthood with regard to water being applied to the individual, I could not find any place where it was immersed. It was sprinkling. Since Jesus was under the law, Galatians 4, 4, and was apparently fulfilling that requirements for entering into the priesthood, then I conclude he was sprinkled, because that's what the law requires. So that's my position.
If you don't agree, that's okay, but that's my position, okay? Well, you know, I was taught that way and I've always believed that baptism meant immersion and the Baptist Church, you know, teaches that. They split off many years ago because of the immersion issue and it seems like, based on what you're telling me, the Catholic Church has a case against the Baptist. Only in the issue of, does the means of baptism, is it restricted to immersion? And biblically speaking, no, it's not.
It doesn't mean the Catholic Church is right because it's, of course, a false church teaching a false gospel, false priesthood, and false Mary. But, you know, this is what the scriptures are teaching and I'm going to teach it whether it supports Catholicism, at least in that little bit, or not. So, there you go. Okay. By the way, I'm Dave from North Carolina, the one that has multiple personalities, and I just want you to know that right now I'm a Christian. Yeah, we've talked before, now that you said that, I remember that, and interesting discussion. And I have many different personalities, but one of them is an atheist, one is a polytheist, and then there are different other personalities that aren't religious either way.
They don't take either position. And then, of course, my Christian, as a Christian, I worship God on Saturday and the other days of the week as well, but I prefer to keep the Sabbath because it makes me feel better. Okay. And, you know, I don't judge a man for my day keeps, but, you know, Paul said that each man be persuaded in his own mind. And I feel worshiping on Saturday is good for me.
I wouldn't force it on anyone else or say that you have to keep Sabbath to be saved. I don't do that. You know, I just, I'll discuss people sometimes, you know, discuss it with them, but right now I'm a Sabbatarian. Okay. Well, I appreciate that, and it's an interesting discussion. And you're wise.
You can serve God on any day, have a Sabbath on any day, just don't require it on others, and you're okay. So, God bless there, okay, David? I really appreciate it. And we'll talk to you another time. Okay, you take it here, bro. All right, we'll talk to you later. Okay, bye.
That's an interesting conversation. Let's get to Sam. No, it's gonna be Cole from Georgia. Cole, welcome. You're on the air.
Yeah, Matt Slick. I know you're running late in time. First Samuel 18. All right. Can you read 25 through 27?
Okay, let's see. First Samuel 25. It says, okay, then Saul said, Thus you shall say to David, The king does not desire any dowry except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines to take vengeance on the king's enemies. Now Saul planned to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines, but his servant told David these words. It pleased David to come to the king's son-in-law before the days were expired. David rose up, and he and his men struck down 200 men when the Philistines, David, brought their foreskins and gave them the full number of the king that he might have become the king's son-in-law. Okay, yes. Is that weird?
I mean, how did that happen? What's the purpose of all that? Well, there's shedding of blood in it for one thing, but there's a cultural aspect of foreskin in the Jewish community, obviously, as a sign of covenant keeping. And the uncircumcised Philistines, as the phrase would go, they were the ones who were to be judged by God. And so to humiliate and show dominance over them, to be able to circumcise somebody that's who are grown men, that's really something. Okay, so it's a demonstration of strength, warfare, domination, and things like that.
Okay. David really was a bloody, bloody man. He cut off Goliath's head and carried it around by the hair, and now he's cutting off foreskins and carrying 200.
He only asked for 100 foreskins, and David, he brought back 200. Yeah. If you look at that. Yeah.
David did 100 more. Yeah. It's, to us, to our sensibilities, it's like, what the heck? But back then in that culture at that time, it was not, probably was not. Okay. People had different thoughts.
I got one more thing. I heard the baptism. It does say that Jesus came up out of the water Matthew 3 16. Remember he said he came up out of the water, and then the spirit came upon him like a dove. Yes, but coming up out of the water does not necessitate immersion.
It can logically include it, but doesn't necessitate it in that logically it excludes other possibilities. Just as Philip in Ethiopia and Eunuch in Acts 8 38 through 40, they both went down into the water, but only one of them was baptized. So they both came up out of the water, so it would not make sense to say that Philip was immersed in the water when it says they both came up out of the water. Okay. So right there in the text.
I got a question though. Is there anywhere in the New Testament, I know it does in the Old Testament, is there anywhere in the New Testament where it says they sprinkled the water? Because they say it in the Old Testament.
Yeah. Why don't they just say that? Well, they don't. Maybe because they assumed that it was just naturally understood and they didn't have to do any corrections because everybody did that and it wasn't until later that some people got ideas that it had to be by immersion. Because I used to believe it was immersion all the time until I started doing studies.
And wait a minute, I just, I can't work here, can't work there, started doing logistics. Wouldn't the emergence represent like burial? Like you're dead to your sins and like you have to go under? Yes, but burial does not necessitate, what you're doing is called ethnocentricity. You're judging another culture and an idea by your own culture and understanding.
And that's a mistake particularly when it comes to understanding biblical things. So we bury in the ground, but there are also burials above ground in tombs that are above ground. Also there's a burial form that is by burning, you know cremation. It's a form of burial. In different cultures there were people buried in trees. They would be tied to trees, that's how they were buried. So burial, for example with Jesus, he was above ground in a tomb, above ground. Now logically speaking when a hole in a side of an area is sealed up with a dead body and it is called burying, but could you do the same thing by putting a room on a house, putting a body in it and sealing it off with a door and call it burial?
Yes you can. So we don't see a necessity of burial being immersion. Okay? That's good points, all good points.
I can't argue with you, I don't know. I'm just reading, but good point. Thank you. Okay, there you go brother, God bless. All right. All right, God bless. Okay, we'll see you. Okay, now let's get to Josiah from California. Josiah, welcome. You are on the air. Yeah, thank you for taking my call. Sure.
Appreciate that. I would like to know your beliefs and thoughts and teachings on why aren't many women wearing a veil or a head covering today when they pray and why do so many women not have long hair as per 1st Corinthians chapter 11 verses 1 through 16? Well, that's assuming they're submitting to scripture and then the applications of those scriptures would apply to them.
A lot of unbelievers don't believe that, so that's why that would mean that they don't follow scripture, that's why. As far as churches go and Christians go, this is a debatable issue about the head coverings and it seems to be related to the issue of authority because the women were under authority, their husbands and or the males of their extended family in certain circumstances. And so to go out in public without your head veil on was saying that you were not under authority in a patriarchal system. And so a woman who had let her hair down in public back in the day, you could be divorced for that because it was a sign of intimacy and a rebellion against the authority of your husband and you would only show your hair down in the privacy of your home. To go out in public was to say with hair let down and uncovered was a form of showing prostitution and other things related to this. So this is why it looks like in that culture they're required to have them covered with head coverings.
So the question is does it extend today? There's some arguments that say yes because it says because of the angels. Well that means it's not cultural and so there does seem to be something that could be extended to present-day theological perspectives about women having their heads covered in church settings because of the angels. But on the other hand what does it mean because of the angels? So does it necessitate that because we don't understand what it means that the angels that we can excuse it or necessitate it?
Either one is a possibility. Long story short what this means then is that as it says in the bible in 1st Romans 14.5 now it's talking about Sabbath days and and eating habits but it says each person must be fully convinced of his own mind. So does that apply to this kind of a thing?
It seems to. The idea of being convinced and examining scripture out of Acts 17.11 also. So this is why it's not culturally normative now and just add one last thing.
Whenever I see a woman who's got her head covered in church I think it's awesome. That's my opinion. And there's the music. We're out of time. You know call back tomorrow we could talk some more and give some more feedback because I know we're out of time for you buddy. Sorry about that okay? All right man. Thank you very much. Thank you.
All right. God bless. Hey folks we'll be back on the air by God's grace tomorrow, Lord willing, Friday. And may the Lord bless you. Have a great evening and we'll talk to you later. God bless. Bye. another program powered by the truth network
