Dealing with Doubts - Jesus, You, and Healthcare, Part 2

If you were to study many of the world's notable scientists, writers, medical professionals and educators, you'd notice that there was one belief they all had in common, one absolute conviction that collectively drove them to be the greatness we now know them by. Stay with me. Let's discover it together. Thanks for listening to this Edition of Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram.

We are an international teaching and discipleship ministry that encourages and equips Christians to live like Christians. In just a minute, our guest teacher, John Dickerson, will pick up where he left off in our newest series, Dealing with Doubts. And before he gets going, let me remind you that John and Chip will be back after this message to share some deeper application for what you're about to hear.

You won't want to miss what they'll talk about. But for now, get your Bible and notes ready as we settle in for the second half of John's message, Jesus, You and Healthcare. Similar with this rapid change in human history called the Scientific Revolution. For thousands of years, humans were rubbing sticks together and mixing potions. And then there was this rapid change that led to the Industrial Revolution and the modern era called the Scientific Revolution. We know who the thinkers are who unlocked the cabinets of science. It's Isaac Newton, according to Einstein.

That's what Einstein says. It's Isaac Newton. It's Blaise Pascal.

It's Johannes Kepler. It's because of these guys that you have glasses and contacts. It's because of these guys that we have modern life and we aren't living like we're camping in the Dark Ages. And when I went through their own writings, I found them writing about God and Jesus. And I know at this point you're like, Okay, John, you're saying all this because you're a pastor.

This can't possibly be true. So for that reason, I've compiled all this in a book called Jesus Skeptic. And what I've done in that book is I don't just give you a link to where you can go look at it.

I show you the images. I show you an image from Isaac Newton's journal where he writes about Jesus. I show you images from Johannes Kepler, Blaise Pascal.

If you remember high school chemistry, you learn Boyle's Law, Robert Boyle, the father of modern chemistry. He wrote a whole book called The Christian Virtuoso. His whole thesis was that if you believe in a God who created, you can be a better scientist. Now, my point is not that any of these people are perfect because they're not, and I'm not, and you're not either. But my point is that as they endeavored to do what Jesus says, they made big gains for humanity, irrefutable gains for humanity that no one else before had ever made. So please don't take my word for any of this. Please look into it for yourself because as you do, the actual empirical evidence is overwhelming. Well, in my own doubtful study of Jesus, my logical approach was first this. Did Jesus actually live?

And in that book, Jesus Skeptic, you'll see a number of chapters about that. I've chosen in this series not to do a whole message on it because the evidence is overwhelming. There are not serious qualified historians who even doubt it. But if you doubt it, that's okay.

I did for a while. That's how skeptical I am. And I did, I mean, the evidence for that is just clear. If you believe Plato or Socrates or any other historic figure lived, there's way more evidence that this Jesus of Nazareth lived.

But the second question in my logical approach was this. Do we know what he actually said? I mean, Christians have this book called the Bible. They say it's God's word. They say we have Jesus' words. How do we know?

I mean, I remember thinking, this is how skeptical I am. What if one guy woke up one day and said, I'm going to write this book and I'm going to say it's from God and tell all these people to follow it. That's not that crazy because Mormonism and Islam, there are religions that essentially that's what it is. One guy said, hey, God, talk to me. Here it all is.

You guys go do it. When I looked into where does the Bible come from, I was surprised. One, it wasn't just one person. But the thing that most surprised me when I dug into the study of ancient manuscripts was this reality that there are more ancient manuscripts of the books of the Bible than any other ancient literature in the world. So, for example, if you read Socrates or Plato or Aristotle today, you're reading an English translation of one of about 12 to 30 documents that purport to be from them. And usually there's about a six or 700 year gap from when Plato lived to the oldest copy that we have. But that's normal with all historical documents because most of them were parchment and it doesn't do well in the weather.

The New Testament is radically different. For books of the Bible in the New Testament, like the Gospel of John, we don't just have 12 or 20. We have like 2,000 or 5,000 or 6,000 ancient copies. And what's fascinating about these ancient copies, here's a picture of one. This is a papyrus of Acts. This was dug out of the desert sands in Egypt. Is that researchers have for hundreds of years now at the best universities in the world gathered all these and put them side by side.

Tons of Europe's libraries have these and now many in the US as well. And here's what the researchers started to find. They could take a Gospel of John that was dated from within 100 years of when Jesus lived found in the desert sands in Egypt. They could find another Gospel of John that was written on leather and buried in a cave in Italy, put them side by side and they 98% agree.

With the 2% being things like spelling, punctuation, stylistic things. And this has been researched by, I mean, thousands of the smartest people over hundreds of years. And if you really look into it, you can't help but come to the conclusion, well, if I believe that what I'm reading is Plato's is Plato's, then I have to believe that what these words of Jesus are Jesus. Now, if you want to reject that, no, those aren't possibly the words of Jesus, that's okay.

But to be logical, you'd have to say, then I never believe anything that I didn't see the person write it down myself. And if you want to live that way, you're free to. So he lived. We know what he said.

Next is what did he say? And that's my biggest encouragement to you is to start reading the words of Jesus for yourself. Because we all want to influence people, right? How many people right now want to be an influencer and have as many followers as possible?

Jesus won at that game. He has one out of three people in the world today following him. He has two point some billion followers, more than the number of all the people on Facebook.

How did he do it? If nothing else, just an honest curiosity says, what did this man say? Well, here's one of the things he said in Acts one verse eight. He said to his first followers, there were about 120 at the time.

You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you'll be my witnesses. In Jerusalem, that's where they lived. Judea, that's like central Indiana. Samaria, and to the ends of the earth. What a radical prediction. I mean, who says my followers are going to spread to the ends of the earth? This is before airplanes.

This is before steam locomotives. I mean, his followers don't even know that North America exists. This is a radical prediction. When I came across this as a journalist, I loved it because I can measure this. I know the guy lived. I know he said this 1900 years ago, at least probably 2000 years ago.

Let's measure this thing. Because I know Napoleon claimed he would take over the world, and he didn't. Alexander claimed he would, and he didn't. The Soviet Union claimed it would.

I mean, no one has actually done this. And what are the chances with 120 followers for a peasant prophet to say, you're going to spread my message to the ends of the earth? Here's a visual of where Christianity was in the world at that time. If you look for the blue, as you can see, there were only 120 people worldwide who were Christians.

That's it. Keep in mind, this is before Gutenberg's printing press, another follower of Jesus. This is before so many technological advances that can spread things around the world. This is so long ago. This is before the flip phone, even.

This is before dial-up modem. It's how old this is. As a researcher, I didn't want to ask Christians how many Christians there are. I wanted to ask an objective secular group.

So I went to the Pew Research Center, which is the gold standard in sociology today. Here's their map of Christianity worldwide today. Just look for the blue. The darker the blue, the more Christians there are.

The white areas, if you look at the bottom there, it says no data. That's because the white areas are areas where it is illegal to be a Christian. We know for a fact there are Christians in those countries. In fact, we have missionaries who help the Christians in some of those countries. But there are countries where Christians get beheaded and physically stoned, so you can't exactly send a demographer or researcher in there to be like, hey, let's take a survey, you know.

Are you a Christian? So even those ones that are white. And then, of course, you've got Antarctica at the bottom. I always have one skeptic who's like, oh, what about that giant one at the bottom?

That is penguin land, okay? Now, the point is this. Just be objective. Who else in history has done this? I mean, no one else.

No one else has done this. And so if for no other reason the words of Jesus deserve your attention, because he said that hell exists and heaven exists. He said that eternal life exists. He claimed that he's God. He claimed that he made you and can fix things in you that no one else can fix. So if he's right, the stakes are way too high to just brush it off.

The stakes are way too high. Well, why does this movement keep growing? Because another thing, as I looked into the growth of Christianity, it's not like some franchise where they're like, oh, let's do a location here or here.

It's this organic thing. People like me place their faith in Jesus when he said, come to me, you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest for your soul. And it so changes us. It so transforms us that we can't help but just go tell other people, say, you've got to give this a try. And that keeps happening every year.

And it happens in countries where people go to jail or lose their lives for being a Christian, but they still say like, this is worth it. And it just keeps spreading. I want you to think back to that story of my daughters and their little doll village being ransacked by their older brother and his dragons. You know, Jesus said that there is an enemy of your soul. There is an unseen realm.

There's more to you than your body. And in that unseen realm, this enemy of your soul, he came into this world to kill and steal and destroy. And he started with our ancestors long, long ago. And we're now born into a world that has been destroyed, just like my daughter's little doll village. That's why we have cancer. That's why we have racism and inequality and injustice. That's why we have genocide and war and death.

If just really smart people could fix it, it would be fixed by now, because there's plenty of smart people in the world. Jesus came into this world to rebuild the village with a different kind of claim, that we need someone who can change human nature from the inside out. We need someone who can transform our hearts. We need someone who can reconnect us to God.

And that's who he claimed to be the hero of the universe. So maybe you're thinking, okay, John, what does this look like? Someone believes in Jesus and they follow Jesus.

Then what is this big difference in the world that you're talking about? You're listening to Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram, and we'll get back to our guest teacher, John Dickerson, in just a minute. But let me quickly ask, do you know someone who's a skeptic? Maybe it's that close friend or family member who genuinely doubts the truth of the Bible or the existence of Jesus. Well, stick around after the teaching to hear about a resource bundle we've put together that'll provide answers and direction for that doubter in your life.

But for now, here again is John. Well, I want to start right at the beginning. Very soon after Jesus ascended into heaven, his followers started living out what he said. Now, keep in mind that most global cultures at this time, if a child was born with special needs, they would just discard it.

They would throw it in the trash heap or they would throw it in the river. In many cultures at that time, and this is all well documented, girls were often discarded because many dads wanted boys because they could do more physical labor. And it was not uncommon at that time in history for girls to be discarded. And the Christians starting to live out what Jesus said became this radical group. It was also a very racially divided world. They became this group where there was people of different ethnicities and languages loving each other. And then when this group would come across an orphan, they would help the orphan or a widow.

There was no social security. They would take care of the widow. There are stories from secular historians of when pagans would throw their babies into the river of the Christians wading into the water and rescuing those babies out. The Romans around the year 200 had this practice that when some kind of plague or sickness would hit their city, the rich people would just leave. They didn't understand immunology, but they knew if we stick around, we'll probably die. And they would just abandon the people who were sick.

The Christians would stay. And they'd provide the care that they could with their very rudimentary understanding of science. Over time, this continued all the way up to stories like Mary Moe's who you heard about.

And I want to tell you just one other story like that. You know, as recently as 150 years ago, if someone was born with what today we would call special needs or atypical learning, the way of the world, and forgive me that this sounds brash, I'm just reporting on history here, I'm not saying this, the common language was to call those people idiots. They were called idiots or lunatics, and poor families would often discard them. Sometimes wealthy families would lock them away in an asylum.

They would hide them because they were embarrassed of them. And in that world, there was a young follower of Jesus, John Langdon Down. He was raised going to Sunday school and church every Sunday. And in his teen years, he had an interaction with a girl that today we would call special needs. And God just ignited in his heart this compassion for her. From his understanding of a God who makes all people in his image who so loved the world that he laid down his life for every single person, he thought, what if we could have a place where people who have this condition are treated with dignity and respect? So he went to medical school, and in medical college, he actually won a prize for an essay he wrote.

You know the title of that essay? The Wisdom and Benevolence of the Creator. That is God.

That was his whole view. God has made humanity. And there as a student, one time proofreading one of his profound essays, he met a young woman who would become his wife. They got married. And together they decided that instead of him pursuing a career to make as much money as he could as a doctor, that they wanted to create something that had never before existed.

A special home for people with special needs where they could wear nice clothes, eat healthy food, be treated with dignity and respect. At a time when corporal punishment, that is beatings, was still the norm, where that would be disallowed, where there would be art and literature. And they spent their lives creating this environment that had never before existed, where really the things that today we call occupational therapy, where a person who is atypical or has some disabilities is taught as much as they can. Dr. Down and his wife really laid the foundation for that. And in the process, Dr. Down identified this syndrome.

And that's actually where we get the term today, Down's syndrome. He called each one a patient. And where other places would kind of lock them away, he would dress them in the nicest clothes, make sure they were bathed and cleaned, feed them a healthy diet. And most people with special needs at that time were never photographed, but he would photograph them. And as you can see, photograph them in the nicest clothes of that era. So here we are 150 years later, and we're born into a world where if anyone called someone who's different an idiot, we would all look at them like, what is wrong with you? And that change has come about not by accident.

And the fact that if you get sick today, there's a hospital you can go to, that change has come about not by accident. If you remember Kevin Byron, he's a firefighter here in the Brownsburg area. I wanna introduce you to his son, Aidan. Here's a picture of Aidan. If you've never met Aidan, Aidan is a bright light.

He will bring a lot of joy to your life. Aidan's 19 years old. He was born with a syndrome called Vater, V-A-T-E-R syndrome.

It means that he was born missing a number of organs, missing some vertebrae in his spine, missing a lot of things. And as a result, Aidan's a little different. He's really special. Something I didn't know about Aidan until a week ago today when I was hanging out with him and Kevin is this. Starting at age three, there's a woman in our church named Stacy Hickett, who said to Kevin and his wife, you need to be able to come to church and enjoy being in church. And Aidan, you know, he'll kind of blurt out things. She said, any Sunday that you guys show up at church, I will walk the halls with Aidan during the entire service. I'll sing with him, I'll talk with him, I'll keep him entertained.

From age three to age 19, that's 16 years, times 52 weeks a year. That's more than 800 Sundays that Stacy has said, I'm gonna serve a family, I'm gonna love Aidan who's made in the image of God. Now the point is this, this man Jesus lived. His words have inspired people to do good in the world that we can empirically measure.

Good that I would argue based on the whole of my research that if we were to withdraw the universities they founded and the hospitals they started, we'd be living like we're camping in the dark ages. But it continues today. You see, God uses ordinary people who truly believe the words of Jesus to do extraordinary things. And I wanna encourage you, church, that where sadly there are some, quote, Christians and sometimes they even meet in a building that has a steeple on the roof and says church on it, but they don't actually live this out. I wanna encourage you that you are a movement of people who are doing this. And I wanna say to you, let's keep doing this. Let's follow Jesus so that our sons and daughters and our neighbors can see a light shining in the darkness. You're listening to Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram. John Dickerson has been our guest teacher for this program, Jesus, You, and Healthcare, from our series Dealing with Doubts.

He and Chip will be back in studio shortly to share their application for this message. If someone were to ask you, how do you know Jesus actually lived or can we really trust the Bible, what would you say? Join pastor and award-winning journalist John Dickerson as he explores these complex topics, drawing on evidence from various credible sources and the impact Christians have had throughout history. John builds a credible case for believing in Jesus. Our hope is that as you listen, you'll be able to confidently say, Jesus is real, the Bible is true, and I can prove it.

In fact, we have some valuable tools to back you up. Anytime John or Chip mention a book, podcast, or article in this series, you can easily find it on our resources page at livingontheedge.org. We want to equip you with practical, Bible-centered materials to use personally or share with others.

So check out the resources page at livingontheedge.org today. Well, I'm joined in studio now by Chip, and we're in the middle of this series that you and John Dickerson are teaching together, and I was hoping you'd take a minute and talk to those who are thinking, John has spent a lot of time talking about history. Why is that so important? I mean, what can we really learn from it? Well, I'd be glad to, Dave, and what I would remind them is much of the entire Old Testament is history, and history matters.

The book of Acts is basically history, and the facts that John is digging in talk about how we got our biblical worldview, why we can trust the Scriptures, what foundational things have happened. You know, we live in a culture where people talk about how prejudice is wrong and social justice is important, and we want, you know, medical coverage and opportunity for all people everywhere. What many of them don't understand, all those grew out of a history of Christians that were faithful to the text, faithful to God, and used their gifts because they had a worldview that said, Jesus cares.

All people matter. In fact, social justice, racial equality, education for all, medicine that's available, scientific discovery, and literacy for the masses have all grown because of a Christian worldview and context. And I will tell you what, it's just so encouraging to me for someone who's an academic but speaks our language to set the record straight. I was a skeptic myself, and I so appreciate John's work because I went through the same process. I just really wondered, can I really believe any of this? In fact, I rejected it early, and it was my firsthand journey that helped me come to realize I can trust the Bible. I can trust the claims of Christ.

The impact of Christianity, despite our flaws, has shaped the world for good. So if you're in the middle of that journey or watching one of your kids or grandkids wrestle with what they believe, we have some resources that can help. During this series, we've bundled two of our more popular books, Jesus Skeptic and Why I Believe. We pray that as you read these books from John and Chip, you'll uncover the evidence for Jesus' existence and the accuracy of the Bible and how Christianity has positively shaped our world. So if you want answers to some of these big faith questions, check out this bundle today. Visit LivingOnTheEdge.org or call us at 888-333-6003.

App listeners tap Special Offers. We'll hear again our Chip and John to share a few final thoughts. Thanks, Dave. John, you shared some pretty hard evidence today, not just for the existence of Jesus, but the profound impact on culture and science and actually the welfare of the world. What do we as believers do with this? I mean, what is your hope by helping us understand kind of our roots and the impact of Christian thought and the Christian worldview and how that's been applied through history? You know, really, my hope is to activate everyone who's listening to this, who's a follower of Jesus, to not just believe, but also to obey. The people who've changed the world for the better as followers of Jesus were not merely people who had accurate theology or sat in a locked room or church. It was the people who went out and did what Jesus says to do, to love our enemies, to pray for those who persecute us, to feed the poor, to spread the good news. And so as a follower of Jesus today, I want to encourage you, especially if you see things in the world that grieve you or upset you, revisit the words of Jesus in the Gospels that are really obeying this.

I know for me, as an American Christian, it is so easy to get comfortable in our middle-class lifestyles and homes and just kind of live a life for ourselves, live in the American dream while believing in Jesus. But the people who change the world, the people who expand the kingdom of God, are the people who are not only and obey, who go and do. So I want to encourage every one of you listening, join me today, join me this week in being a follower of Jesus who doesn't just believe what Jesus says but who goes and does what Jesus did.

Great challenge, John. Thanks. As we close, if you're looking for good Bible content, check out the Chip Ingram app. You can listen to our most recent series or sign up for Daily Discipleship with Chip, a resource to help you study God's word at a deeper level. We want you to grow in your walk with Jesus and the Chip Ingram app will help you do just that. Well, from all of us here, I'm Dave Druey thanking you for listening to this Edition of Living on the Edge and I hope you'll join us again next time. .