All right, Ted Cruz is out. Donald Trump, the likely Republican nominee. What do we make of all this as followers of Jesus? Uh It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.
Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and president of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34 Truth. That's 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.
I wrote an article last night. It went live immediately on the stream and in other websites over the next few hours into today. I wrote an article in which I described Donald Trump as a national inquirer candidate. For a Jerry Springer generation, And I wrote in the article: I absolutely hope that if he does become our next president, that I am wrong and that I will have to eat my words. This is Michael Brown.
Welcome to the line of fire, 866-348-7884. 866-34TRUTH. Yes, the candidate that I had endorsed, Ted Cruz, dropped out yesterday when it was clear to him that he did not have a potential path to the nomination. If he had won Indiana, and there were other states that could have been that could have been favorable to him, and he could have held his own to a certain extent in California, then he would have come in a strong second to Donald Trump. And the view would be that in a contested convention, In the case where he where neither candidate would get the A sufficient number of votes on the first ballot that he could then win on a second or third ballot, which to me was very realistic and something I could have seen happening.
It didn't happen. He dropped out. And actually, I was sad for Senator Cruz and his family and the team that worked so hard. But my own emotions were perfectly fine because my emotions have gotten out of this for some time. And my position is.
I'm going to do what is right. I'm going to speak up. I am going to do my best to be a voice of awakening, a voice of clarity in the midst of the cultural confusion, and pray, God, your will be done. Your will be done. and where things stand today.
where things appear to me today God is giving us over. to our delusions in America. God is giving us over to our sin, to our carnality. And that's why there is such widespread support Donald Trump as a candidate. Let me be as clear as I can.
And we're going to talk about this. We're going to talk about this.
So feel free to call in and differ with me. feel free to call in and agree with me. 86634TRUTH is the number to call. My statements about Donald Trump have not been driven by my support for Senator Cruz. I never once said that I know that Senator Cruz will be our next president.
I never once said it. Never once hinted at that. And in my own heart I was hoping he would but didn't know that would be the case from day one. In fact, When I sat with Rafael Cruz, Ted Cruz's father, last year, was it August, thereabouts? I was convinced then, as I am now, That the only way that Senator Cruz could have made it to the White House at this point in time.
At this point in time, not so about in the future, he's in his mid forties, as is Marco Rubio.
So potentially they could have very, very bright political futures. But, but. Yeah. He was to make it at this point in time with his reputation for being such a very, very strong conservative.
Okay? And his anti-establishment credentials, that he could only make it in if God was with him to be the president. That has remained my view throughout. The fact that he was such a strong second to Donald Trump. was far more than many people would have predicted.
at the same time Very few would have predicted that Donald Trump would be where he is.
Now, let me be clear. I believe there are fine people who support Donald Trump. I believe there are spiritually minded people who support Donald Trump. I believe there are patriotic people who support Donald Trump. Nonetheless.
I believe That he is the candidate, National Inquired candidate for Jerry Springer Generations. If in fact, God is raising him up and is going to change him radically. I would love, I would love, I would love to be absolutely wrong in all of my concerns. We'll be right back. God of light, hear our cry, send the fire.
It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. Together, We left it all on the field in Indiana.
We gave it everything we've got. But the voters chose another path. That was Senator Cruz in his concession speech last night saying that he's suspending his campaign. This is. Michael Bryan 866-34Truth.
You can hear the gasps. You can hear people who are disappointed, upset. Before last night, he had said that. Even if he lost Indiana, there was still a path. I think the decisive way that he lost pushed things over.
I was part of a prayer call yesterday with another pastor, he from Indiana, with about 700 prayer warriors, part of the Cruz campaign. And I spoke a little bit and then I prayed, and my prayer was for God to work, for God to have his way, for God to do what was best. I've never once prayed God to make Ted Cruz the president of the United States. And I've never prayed, God, don't let Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump be the president. I said, Lord, your will be done.
Bring about what is best for America. Bring about what is best for the nations. Your will be done. And if his will is judgment right now, If his will is blessing right now, your will be done. And may repentance begin among us, the people of God.
That's the way I've prayed consistently. That's the way I prayed yesterday. Uh but When I was getting ready to teach my night class in Intro to Apologetics class at Fire School of Ministry last night. And I thought, okay, I'm not going to get the primary results for a little while. And I looked at my cell phone.
Class starts at 7. It's about 7.02. I was chatting with the students. We're about ready to start. I looked at my cell phone and I saw 5% of the vote counted already.
And Trump with over fifty two percent, I thought Oh my. Oh my And then a couple seconds later, I looked, and as we were watching a short video, I looked, and it said that Trump already had it. I thought if he won that decisively This this thing is basically over. And then heard the news that Senator Cruz was dropping out. Obviously, people deeply disappointed, and people who really believed in him and felt that he was the strong conservative with a constitutional base that would be in the best interest of America, that could appoint the right Supreme Court justices that would stand for our religious freedoms.
There was great disappointment. And of course now It's barring something completely supernatural or unexpected. Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee and barring something very unexpected, even though Bernie Sanders won in Indiana, barring something unexpected. It'll be Trump versus Hillary, which some have been saying for months now. And you think of all of the Republican candidates that we end up with with Donald Trump.
Wa and and please please hear me. I hope I'm wrong. I want to say that again. I am not judging you individually if you're a Trump supporter. C Can I say that plainly enough for everyone to hear?
You may have valid reasons for supporting him. I'm not judging you personally. I am judging the widespread support and where a lot of that is coming from. I am judging that. But I'm not saying you as an individual, if you vote for Donald Trump, that you must be un-Christian or hypocrite or anything like that.
I'm not saying that, or that you're not spiritual, or that you're not patriotic. I'm not saying that. Right now in conscience I can't vote for either of the two. Certainly not Hillary under any circumstances. At this point, still, I could not vote for Donald Trump.
I have read and listened to prophecies. That one going back five years, a fireman saying that God showed him Donald Trump was going to be the president, XYZ, what happened. It's pretty much unfolded like that. And then another prophecy of leader meeting with Donald Trump, and he feels the Lord tells him, read Isaiah 45 to Donald Trump. He doesn't even know what's in Isaiah 45.
And he reads it, and there it is saying that God's raising up Cyrus, a pagan who didn't know God, to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, and that that's how God's going to use Donald Trump in a positive sense. And just like Isaiah 45, he'll be the 45th president. And those who said that Donald Trump is going to destroy what's wrong, and then after him, Ted Cruz will come in and build up what's right. I hope it's true. I hope it's right.
But my role Is not to speculate because God has not spoken those things to me. My role. is is to be a watchman on the wall. And and to to raise the issues. And when I look at a Donald Trump.
when I see how he has freely defamed others in the most vulgar ways. when I see yesterday Him raising this libelous charge from the National Inquirer that Rafael Cruz was somehow complicit in the assassination of JFK. Come on! When I see not the slightest moral compunction, over the adulteries he's boasted about in the past. over making money over Casino Script Club and things like that.
He's upset with the picture, the nearly nude picture of his wife Melania circulating, not because it's nearly nude, he thinks it's a great shoot, but because people made it as if it was a bad thing. The fact that he was critical of North Carolina for having a bathroom privacy act. And said that no problem for a man who identifies as a woman to use the ladies' room. I have many, many reasons to have grave concerns. about Donald Trump.
if he were to be president. and what he might say, what he might do, what he might try to do with executive action. what could inflame hostilities or even war with other nations? Lack of expertise and understanding in many, many key critical issues. I have great concerns.
I hope that my concerns drive more people to pray, and I hope God gets hold of him or Hillary Clinton. And God raises them up as champions of righteousness. And I want to say this again. As I wrote it last night, I want to say it again now. My Goal is not to be right.
I do not want to say I told you so. I want to say, boy was I wrong about Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. That's my desire. I must be true to my conscience and true to my God and speak the truth as I understand it. Not my truth.
There's no saying it's my truth or your truth. speak the truth as best as I can understand it and apprehend it. That being said, I would love to be proven wrong. That's my heart. That's my attitude.
86634Truth. And we'll interact honestly. We may differ, we may agree. All right, we start in Huntington, New York. Mike, welcome to the line of fire.
Yes, Dr. Brown. The reason why millions of Christians voted for Donald Trump, and the reason why the Lord is blessing Donald Trump is because your friend Ted Cruz He supported the neo Nazi Azov brigades into Ukraine that That murdered 21 Ukrainian one-year-old babies, and that murdered. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Ted Cruz supported neo-Nazi slaughtering of Ukrainian babies.
Half the Ukrainian army now is the neo-Nazi Azov brigades. That's a fact. It's Catholic. The Catholic Ukrainians. Who are going against the majority of Ukrainians who are 70% who are Eastern Orthodox.
All right, tell you what, you document that for us, sir? Did you document that for us? It's all over the internet. You can see that. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, forget all over the internet.
What you are saying is bogus nonsense, sir. That Ted Cruz supported neo-Nazi slaughtering of one-year-old babies in the Ukraine is nonsense. And the fact that it's all over the Internet does not make it any less nonsense. You provide documentation of that. Send it to us.
Go to askdrbrown.org. It says contact you sh support that for us factually.
Okay? factually. This show is not going to be National Enquirer or radio show, friends. But, Mike, you've made a claim for the world to hear on radio. You support it or back it up.
Otherwise, you're guilty of slander. Fair enough? Yeah. Let's go to Rich in New York City. Welcome to the line of fire.
Hello, Rich. Yes, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm sorry. How you doing, Michael? Love you. You know, I I was a carsing guy right off the bat.
I loved I loved his demeanor. I loved his wisdom. And it it just didn't take roots.
So then I went to cruise. And I said he's the next best. And now it's Donald Trump. And I'm glad you said that thing about Cyrus because There was something on the internet about a pastor. I said That He thought that he was being used as Cyrus was used.
To turn back the tide in certain areas. Of course, he's not going to be perfect. And what I'm thinking is he's probably Not going to be as bad as as we We think he might be and probably as good as he says he's going to be. But I think God may use him to straighten out some of the immigration problems. And um You know, I mean, our man is Jesus.
That's the one people keep saying, who do you want in? I always say to everybody, Hey, my man is Jesus. I'm waiting for him. Yeah, without question, sir, our hope, our trust, must be in the Lord. No, if Ted Cruz was the president.
Our hope, our trust must be his in the Lord and we can yes The president can do a lot of good, a lot of bad. In my view, Barack Obama's done a lot of bad. With many of his policies, especially regarding abortion, especially regarding marriage, regarding Israel as well, regarding health care. Very bad in many, many ways. Yes, we want health care for everyone, affordable, etc.
But the way it's been done and what's come with it, very bad. Not nonetheless. Ultimately, the key is revival in the church. The key is revival in the church. I'm concerned if Donald Trump was our president and continued with his present demeanor that it would make America an embarrassment to the world.
an embarrassment to the world. Let me say again, I sure hope I'm wrong. And my colleague Lance Walmow, we often have different perspectives on things, but he's a fine brother in the Lord. He's the one that may be the first one with the Cyrus prophecy. I hope it's true.
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This was yesterday, Donald Trump speaking with Fox and friends about Raphael Cruz, Ted Cruz's dad. His father was with Lee Harvey Oswald prior to Oswald being You know, shot. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. What is this right prior to his being shot? And nobody even brings it up.
I mean, they don't even talk about that. That was reported, and nobody talks about it. But I think it's horrible. I think it's absolutely horrible that a man can go and do that. What he's saying there.
Right. And there was a picture out there that reportedly shows Raphael Cruz standing with Lee Harvey Oswald. I mean, what was he doing with Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before the death, before the shooting? It's horrible. Yeah, Jake Tapper on CNN rightly ripped this to shreds.
It is nothing more than a national inquirer story. And aside from the fact that, as far as pro-Castro stuff, Cruz had completely renounced Castro and what his sister was tortured by Castro people, etc. And it's, you know, there's no proof, it's a picture of Cruz's dad. The irresponsibility of speech like that, what happens when the man is president? What happens when you have irresponsible speech like that, character assassination, quote, you know, national inquirer president?
who who gets his views from watching the talk shows, as he said. That's dangerous. That's downright dangerous. That's why I raise the concerns I do.
Now look, At this point Absolutely could not vote for Hillary. I could not vote for Trump either. at this point. If the election was tomorrow, I'd sit out the presidential part or vote for a third-party candidate to send in a protest vote and then vote for other candidates accordingly.
Now, here's my view though. If in fact it's been prophetically spoken that God is going to raise up Donald Trump and use him and get hold of him and he's going to be a great blessing to the church and to the nation in the White House, then God's going to do it apart from my vote. That's where I'm at right now. That's simple. If God's raising him up to judge America, or God's raising up Hillary to judge America, that's going to happen without my vote.
That's where I'm at right now. I know I have influence, I know I'm a voice, I know many of you respect me, but that's where I'm at.
Okay, just sharing my heart.
Now we get to hear where you are at. Let's go to Boston. Steve, welcome to the line of fire. Hi, doctor Brown. I wasn't planning a call today, but when you opened the program, you just touched a raw nerve.
that I agree with one hundred and six percent at least. I b I believe that uh God is allowing America to go to their delusions. He's giving them up to someone. tragically and unfortunately. I've listened to Ted Cruz.
Actually, you were the one that endorsed him at the beginning, and I didn't know of him at the time. Every time I've heard this man on T V, This man just portrays Christ, godliness, righteousness, morality, everything. And for people to reject this man, to me, they've rejected God's candidate, but God gave them the choice. Yeah, listen, when you do have Someone who's a strong constitutional conservative, the strongest we've had. a staunch pro-life candidate.
A staunch pro-family candidate, a staunch pro-religious liberty candidate, a staunch pro-Israel candidate, and someone with military wisdom and fiscal wisdom, and someone willing to take on the establishment. When you had a choice between that and Donald Trump, for a conservative Christian, to me, it was black and white. Again, my perspective. And that, again, I'm not judging every individual that supports Donald Trump. Please hear me.
All right? Take offense at what I am saying, not at what I'm not saying.
Okay? But for so many to choose a candidate that's going to quote from the National Enquirer and that will spread the most vile lies about someone if it's his political gain, That that gravely concerns me. And to me, I look at the state of the nation right now. We're in a position where people are Arguing about, yeah, there's no problem with women having a biological male in their locker room, or what's the problem? It's like we've drunk the corporate Kool-Aid, like God's given us over to our delusions.
By the way, I know Christian leaders. I know Christian leaders have spent quality time with Donald Trump sharing the gospel with him. And I know he has people that are around him that are born-again Christian. Thus far, there does not seem to be any penetration of the message getting into his heart and changing him, but I pray it does. And the same for Hillary, who has a longer history of professing to be a Christian than Donald Trump does.
We go to Alexandria, Virginia. Edwin, you're on the line of fire. Yes, you know, I'm not quite sure if it's Donald Trump, you know, being President will be, you know, God judging America. I'm not quite sure about that. You know, um I think that him giving us Hillary might be that, but I think maybe Donald Trump would be the last.
a chance for this country to turn around. I think he would he would be uh he would help Christians out as far as you know, religious liberties. I don't know where he's how far he would go with. abortion or with marriage and all that. But I think he would allow Christian thought to flourish, you know, and you know, I think he would help Christians out a lot, and also the persecuted church as well.
I don't think he Yeah, Edwin, I'm sorry to jump in. I mistakenly called you Matt. Edwin, I hope you're right, sir. I really hope you're right. I was disappointed.
when Donald Trump, rather than standing with Christians in North Carolina, and standing for religious liberties in North Carolina was critical. and and took the wrong position there. That certainly concerned me. But I certainly hope that you're right. that if Donald Trump becomes our president, that he'll be a protector of religious liberties.
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Polling from CNN, here's what they found. A reason for voting for Clinton. Opposition to Donald Trump 51%. Bottom line. Reason for voting Trump.
Opposition to Clinton 57%. That shows you a majority will vote against someone right now rather than voting for someone. All right, that is a report on Fox News, and that's Fox News host Bill Hammer. This is Michael Brown. Welcome to the line of fire, doing our best to give you biblical, spiritual, kingdom perspective on the elections.
And John Kasich drops out now. Why now? Why now? He had no chance for for weeks, for months. Why drop out now?
Since Cruz has dropped out now, he drops out? Hm Those who say he was only in it to hurt Cruz and to help Trump They would have their suspicions verified, but But Who Knows.
So again, that's Fox News talking about polling from CNN. Clip number 12, Joey. Kyle Konduck from the University of Virginia Center for Politics, Kyle Konduck, excuse me, University of Virginia Center for Politics. He responds to this phenomenon of negative voting or voting against someone. Listen to what he has to say on Fox News.
There's this trend in American politics we've seen for a number of cycles now. There's a fancy term for it called negative partisanship. And what that basically means is that voters are motivated more by disliking the other party and the other candidate than by liking their own candidate. And I think that this election will be a great test of that theory because as that poll indicated, you've got a majority of Clinton voters and a majority of Trump voters who say they're basically just voting because they don't like the other party. And that tells me that you have two pretty unpopular general election candidates, which polls bear out, and that this should be probably a pretty nasty race.
Now, presidential elections in American politics are almost always nasty, but this one could be particularly vicious. Yeah, and basically basically you've got You've got uh anyone but trump And anyone but Hillary. That's a lot of the voting out there. Anyone but Trump? anyone but Hillary.
866-34TRUTH. Let's go back to the phones in Staten Island. Andre, welcome to the line of fire. Hi, sir. How you doing?
You hear my voice? Yes, sir. I'm going to be honest with you. Me growing up like pretty much in the streets and going through a lot and seeing what's happening out here, And, you know, I'm I'm kind of like looking for a church and all that and You know, no parents or nothing grew up hard knocks, but I really appreciate what you're saying. even myself, I think we all got to unite.
And realize that God is the Almighty. Me, I but I need your opinion. I voted for Sanders. You know, he was sim simple, honest. But what I'm seeing out here today, wow, it's like we forgot.
We've forgotten our Creator. You know, and I'm slowly coming back slowly, and I'm shopping, church shopping, and You know, I I believe that What Solomon said, you know, if my people which are called will humble themselves and call upon me, I will answer them and heal their land. We have to come together, we have to unite. We have to pray. You know, we're in trouble.
We've forgotten God, and I'm praying, Almighty Lord, Shaday Rohin, please. We have to come together and recognize that he loves us, that God loves us. That's the primary source. And he'll talk about that. And Andre, just to jump in, because I got a break coming up.
We must get on our faces and pray. The current election cycle has pushed all the more. We must get on our faces and pray. And pastors and leaders, we must call for urgent prayer. America is at the precipice.
America needs. awakening. And get plugged into a healthy church and serve there and grow there, sir. As for voting for Bernie Sanders, I could not possibly do that because he is radically pro-abortion. Radically pro-gay activists and radically weak when it comes to Israel.
Those are my three first non-negotiables. And then his financial policies, I believe, could absolutely destroy our nation as we know it. But first things first, Andre, get plugged in and let's continue to pray and get on our faces before God. We'll be right back. It's fire we want.
Oh, fire we want. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr.
Michael Brown. This country, which is very, very divided in so many different ways, is going to become one beautiful, loving country. And we're going to love each other, we're going to cherish each other, we're going to take care of each other. I I'm sorry to laugh. They have a wonderful sentiment.
But a Donald Trump presidency barring massive divine intervention and the whole nation getting overwhelmed with the presence of God and the Spirit of God. Barring that. Barring that, we're not going to have this beautiful country. Everybody loves each other. 86634Truth.
Clip number 14. Donald Trump is a gracious winner. He is a very gracious winner, and you know when he has victory that he is going to speak well of the competition.
So as much as he has ridiculed and reviled Ted Cruz, as much as he has in vile ways attacked Cruz's wife, and now Cruz's father, and Cruz himself, Once Cruz has dropped out of the race, suspended its campaign, of course. He's going to have gracious things to say. Clip number 14. He was a very tough competitor, honestly.
Now Lion Ted is now we will now put that aside. I really respected the job. I mean, he was a very tough competitor, and I said that last night. I was surprised that he left, actually. There was no path.
in my opinion, but I was very I still thought he was going to the end. Yeah, well, obviously, Ted Cruz looked at this as the better part of wisdom. And so there was no reason to make all the effort to drain people, to have hundreds of thousands of calls being made and tens of thousands of doors knocked on and millions of dollars raised if he did not think that there was a viable path to victory. Uh but when when you character uh use character assassination and so we'll put that aside You know listen, either believe it or you don't believe it. And either it's true or it's not true.
Ted Cruz had some very strong things to say about Donald Trump yesterday, even calling him earlier in the day a pathological liar, etc. I believe he believed what he was saying. And he finally got to a point with his own father having character assassination in with the National Inquirer being the source. In in point of fact, uh Ted Cruz has basically had enough, but very calmly said about Donald Trump. I believe he believes that.
That's Donald Trump. And I believe in many ways it's true, which is why we got to pray like we never prayed. We certainly could have prayed a whole lot more during the Obama presidency. We better be on our knees and our faces now. 866-34TRUTH.
Back to the phones. Oyster Bay, New York. Patty, welcome to the line of fire. Hello? Yes, you're on the air.
Oh, I just wanted to tell you, do you know who Rabbi Schneider is? Kurt Schneider, yeah, Messianic Jewish Rabbi. The Discovering the Jewish Jesus. Yep. He was on Fox a while ago, and did you know that Donald Trump called him into his boardroom?
to pray with him and to give Donald Trump some advice. Yeah. No, no, I'm quite aware of that. In fact, you are. And what he compared was, like, Pharaoh, he, you know, like, Donald Trump might not wear his religion on his sleeve, but if he consults.
Surrounds himself with smart people like Pharaoh consulted Joseph and Nebuchadnezzar consulted Daniel.
So that's what he was kind of looking at, you know? And if he even knows who Rabbi Schneider is, he must be religious. No, he's he's not religious. He's not religious. He's absolutely not religious.
But how would he even he must watch Schneider's show to know who he is? No, no, no, no. There there are people you know people who know people. There were a number of leaders who were all invited to come in together, okay? And um there's no saying that he knew any of them personally.
Look, I know leaders who've shared the gospel with him, and I know that he has other Christian leaders around him. Thus far, from everything I understand, the message has not penetrated. In other words, he's not getting it. He does not understand the gospel. He does not understand his own sin against God.
He does not understand the need for a savior. He does not know the scriptures at all. He does not understand even moral Christian views in terms of why certain things are held. But yes, look, there are others that prayed over him. Kenneth Copeland and David Jeremiah and Kurt Schneider and a number of others prayed over Donald Trump.
They were invited to the Trump Tower. Other black leaders have met with him privately.
Some have warmly endorsed him. and spoken well of him and said when you get to know him privately, he's a different man. And I'm sure there are different sides to him. There is the public persona. But I listen, I am absolutely hoping, because I know godly people are speaking to him.
I absolutely hope that he will listen to them, Patty. I just wish like him and Cruz wouldn't have fought so much, because if he was to ask Cruz to be the Vice President, they would be a dynamic duo. You know, and bring the party together. I understand. And look, it's difficult when you start with the character assassination and rolling out.
Oh, no, they should have never done it. They were like two children in a. No, no, no, but I wouldn't characterize it like that, Patty. I wouldn't. In other words,.
Donald Trump went after Ted Cruz on the most personal level. He called him a liar, which he wasn't. He engaged in character assassination. He mocked Ted Cruz's lovely wife, Heidi. He went after Ted Cruz's father.
Ted Cruz is a pro. Proven moral conservative with strong Christian values and a tremendous heart for religious liberties and a constitutional conservative.
So I did not look at it as two children fighting. I looked at it as a child fighting and Ted Cruz having to respond. That being said, Um Could Ted Cruz be your vice presidential candidate?
Well, based on what he said yesterday of saying Donald Trump, people he was a pathological liar, I believe he believes that. Could he Then turn around and accept a VP position, thinking, okay, at least I can help the country and maybe have a pathway to the next presidency. Makes it more unlikely. and the level of Donald Trump's attacks on Ted Cruz makes it highly unlikely. But Patty, I'm with you.
There are godly people who have access. Donald Trump. Even if he doesn't get it himself, Maybe he'll listen to them. And making decisions if he becomes our president.
So I share your sentiments. 866-34TRUTH. We'll go over to Silver Spring, Maryland. Don, welcome to the line of fire. Hi, thanks for taking my call.
You're welcome. Yeah, so I was going to make a comment, but I almost want to respond. I'm more than the person that called you two callers ago, and I appreciate your response. Um I guess it's just amazing to me to hear people calling and both who who who like kind of say they're Christian and would vote for somebody that's ardently pro choice. I just don't get that.
That seems pretty prevalent. My initial question was going to be like, didn't Cruz explicitly or at least implicitly say um to get behind Trump now.
So it's just kinda interesting to me that you know, the person that you voted that you would vote for said something now that you seem it seems like you would totally disagree with. Yeah, I only listened to parts of his speech from last night. I didn't listen to all of it. Uh but Ted Cruz is a committed Republican. I'm not.
As Ted Cruz is totally taking on the Republican establishment, But he's still a Republican. In other words, let's say that that it came to a contested convention and Trump won. and Cruz was still in the race to the bitter end. I don't think that Ted Cruz would say, okay, I will be a third-party candidate. to run against uh Trump and Clinton.
However, If it came to the same scenario and Cruz won a contest the convention and Trump lost, I could easily see him becoming a third-party candidate. I'm a registered independent on.
So listen. I deeply respect Ted Cruz and his views. And if Ted Cruz urged everyone to unite behind Trump, and again, I haven't heard. The whole speech, so what was implicit or explicit, I can't comment on. But I would weigh what he had to say.
But to me it would diminish My respect for Ted Cruz more than enhance my My view of Donald Trump. In other words, if Ted Cruz believed what he said yesterday, Then he could say, Look, I made a promise to support the candidate. I will, but it's a very tepid support. to call everyone to unite behind Donald Trump if he's actually saying that. That to me would say, okay, he's still he's still the strong Republican.
I'm not. I'm an independent.
So appreciate it. A very important question to raise for sure. But bottom line, My endorsement of Ted Truz did not mean I agreed with every point he made or everything he had to say. But thank you. Thank you very much.
866-34-TRUTH. Let's see. Go over to George in Fredericksburg, Virginia. Thanks for calling the line of fire. Aga Dr.
Brown, it's good to talk to you. Thank you. You know, I'm with you 100%. I am really heartbroken that Ted Cruz is out of the race, but I think that Donald Trump is such a master of branding. And I think if we look at his speeches, almost every single speech he gave ended up with calling Ted Cruz a liar and branding him a liar.
And it worked. It worked. It worked, didn't it? Yes, it did. And so it's, you know, Donald Trump has been a liberal for his entire life and The only change to conservative On paper, when he decided to go for the presidential nomination in the Republican Party.
Yeah, listen, we have to give credit to Donald Trump. for being a master. Manipulator of the media, and he knows how to get his message out. Credit him for that. But is he a true conservative?
I see no evidence of that. Hey, gotta run, but thank you for the call, sir. This is Just a Thought with Ravi Zacharias. I was shocked out of my wits at Amsterdam 83, where one of the world's finest evangelists, very well known, stood up and he was preaching on the inner life and the life of purity of the evangelist to 4,000 of us evangelists there. My wife was sitting next to me.
He said, The worst thing I can say to you, ladies and gentlemen, is that sometimes, minutes before delivering a sermon on an enormous theme of the holiness of God, some of the most unholy thoughts are still raging in my heart. Sir, you will never find the prescription until you allow Jesus to diagnose your problem. You're a sinner. Psychology may be able to liberate us to a certain extent, but psychology can only bring us so far it'll take the queen of science's theology, the word of God in the person of Christ, to tell you that the fault, dear friend, is the heart of man. It is sinful.
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Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. This latest episode started this morning when Trump cited a bizarre and completely uncorroborated report, and I use the term report loosely, in the National Enquirer, the supermarket tabloid. The National Enquirer, which has endorsed Trump and is published by a friend of Trump's, has been launching smear after smear against Cruz and his family. This story shows a photograph from August 1963 of a man standing with soon-to-be John F.
Kennedy assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, handing out pro-Castro literature. And the story suggests that the man is Cruz's father, Raphael. Yeah, that was Jake Tapper responding to Donald Trump, quoting the National Enquirer yesterday. That's where I wrote my article. You can read it by going to askdrbrown.org, Donald Trump, the National Enquirer candidate.
I said he is the National Enquirer candidate for a Jerry Springer generation. The fact that Ted Cruz drops out on the very day that these libelist charges are brought against his father based on the National Inquirer by Donald Trump, and Trump now the all but certain Republican candidate. It says a lot right there. Let's just listen to what Jake Tapper has to say.
Next clip, Joey. I cannot believe I need to say the following, but here goes. There is no corroborated evidence that Ted Cruz's father ever met Lee Harvey Oswald, or for that matter, any other presidential assassin. We in the media don't talk about it because there's no evidence of it. In fact, there is contrary evidence.
Well, before the picture was taken, Rafael Cruz's sister was brutally beaten by Castro forces, and Rafael Cruz had denounced the regime.
So any suggestion that Cruz's father played a role in the Kennedy assassination is ridiculous and frankly shameful.
Now, that's not an anti-Trump position or a pro-Cruz position. It's a pro-truth position. E exactly. The fact that those ridiculous allegations could be aired earlier in the day and then Trump gets a resounding victory at night again just reminds me of the shallowness of so many voters and of the spirit of delusion that some are just under. And let me say again.
There are godly people who support Donald Trump. There are smart people who support Donald Trump. There are patriotic people who support Donald Trump. All right. And there are people who in good conscience will vote for him.
I'm not one of them, at least at this point. I'm not one of them. I'm not one of those who could vote for him in good conscience. But in many ways, we are getting what we deserve with either a Trump or Clinton. Presidency, just as we've gotten what we deserve with an Obama presidency, very, very sad.
To say. And by the way, in the next hour, I'm going to be speaking with a frontline pro-life warrior. And we can talk about these issues of abortion and presidency and influence. Yes, Joseph Goebbels, key man, propaganda man in the In the Holocaust, Nazi leader famously said, If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. At least people think it becomes the truth.
We go to Alexandria, Virginia. Ella, welcome to the line of fire. Hi, Dr. Brown. How are you?
Thanks for taking my call. Sure thing. I just wanted to it's really sad when you see what's going on right now. And it's big volumes as to Okay. what the majority is in the US.
You can tell that it's more Um Every most people say they're Christians, but At the end of the day, at the end of the day, it's clear to see based on what's going on. Ow. many Christians there and how much impact the few Christians they are have in the political arena. Because if somebody comes out and says this is who he is by his actions as Donald Trump has shown supporting the North Carolina being against the North Carolina bill. And then you have Christians coming on the phone and saying, well, I think he's religious.
Well, I think he's a Christian.
Well, I think based on this, I think that's just living in denial and people will change. Choose that path. to justify the decisions they take. that they know are completely against the will of God. People just make excuses when they know the truth.
And it said Yeah, I Ella, I I affirm every word you just said. I affirm every word you just said. For those just tuning in, I hope that I'll be able to eat my words. And that if Donald Trump was president of Hillary Clinton and God got hold of them and used them, that all of my concerns would be proven wrong. I would much rather that than say, I hate to say I told you so, but Ella, as I said in my article.
It's a cinema article. This is more of an indictment of America than it is an indictment of Donald Trump. And yeah, the exact Joseph Goebbels quote: if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. Ari, we go to Boston. All right, we don't go to Boston.
Let's go to Lynette on Long Island. Thanks for calling the line of fire. God bless you, Dr. Brown. Thank you so much for taking my call.
And I wanted, first of all, to say that I do pray. For you and with you regularly, and for your ministry. And I'm just so excited that God has raised. you up as a beacon of truth and of light. Um We most need it in the darkest times.
We need it all the time, but we need it most in the darkest times.
So I praise. God for you and try to keep you covered as much as possible because I know you constantly hear all kinds of ugly, poisonous things. Rhetoric.
So, praise God for you and your ministry. And I just wanted to. just remind everyone that this is a time for hope. This is a time for, as Uh Pastor Rafael Cruz stated this is a time for action. I'm of course deeply saddened that Ted Cruz.
Did not actually win the nomination.
However, I'm excited about the fact that. I see so many opportunities now Yeah. people to actually discuss issues and and discussed facts and actually think. and actually separate emotions and and Lies and other things from actual reality. And I'm extremely excited about that.
I haven't seen that. um that I can remember for about ten Ten years or so.
So I'm very excited about that. It's a dangerous time, but it's still extremely refreshing to me to see people actually. Um Thinking, yeah, and Lynette, I've got to jump in. We're at the end of the show. First, thank you.
Thank you for the kind words and above all. By your prayer support, thank you so much. It means the world to me and to our team. We do what we do by God's grace, empowered by His truth and empowered by His Spirit, and helped by the prayers of God's people. I liken the situation now.
To a man who's had an unhealthy diet, unhealthy lifestyle for decades, and he's had a serious heart attack. If he does not make radical changes He's gonna die. But For the first time. In his life, he is really looking to make those radical changes. That's where I see America today.
We're at the precipice. The we are in an extremely dangerous moment.
However, This could be what it takes. Awaken the people of God. That's the nation's only hope. Thank you so much for the call. My bottom line today.
On our faces, on our knees, repenting of our sins, crying out to God, that's the hope of America. We're about to talk with a frontline cultural warrior, a pro-life veteran. Let's see what he has to say to us today. It's time for the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.
Michael Brown is the director of the Coalition of Conscience and president of Fire School of Ministry. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.
Well, we just had a very, very lively first hour of broadcasting. Welcome to all those joining me now. This is Michael Brown, your voice of moral sanity and spiritual clarity in the midst of a society in chaos and a church all too often in compromise. I have weighed in with my thoughts of Senator Cruz dropping out, now John Kasich dropping out, and Donald Trump is the obvious Republican nominee, and Hillary Clinton the most likely Democratic nominee. What this means, what this means for America, is this a sign of further judgment?
Is God giving us over to a spirituality? Is God going to use either of these people to bless America? These are things we discussed the first hour. And I won't be taking calls on this in the second hour because I have the joy of having in my office now. A frontline warrior in the pro-life movement, a man who has stood for life even when it has cost him greatly, Rusty Thomas, the founder of Operation Save America.
And I've said for many years, I could not possibly vote for a candidate that was a pro-abortion candidate. That would mean there's blood on my hands as well. This remains a central issue. Especially with the Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders being radical pro-abortion candidates.
So I want to talk about why this matters. I want to talk about what we can do to be pro-life Christians. But first, Rusty Thomas, glad to have you here with us on the line of fire. Thank you, Dr. Brown.
And just one word of clarification: I didn't found Operation Save America, but I did serve with Brother Flip Benham as the assistant director of Operation Save America. And just a couple of years ago, he stepped down and asked me to replace him. And I've had the honor to serve in that capacity. All right. Thanks for clarifying that.
I gave you too much credit there. Rusty, we've just got a couple minutes before our first break, but what's your spiritual background? How did you come to be who you are today? Oh, my gosh, brother. I was raised in a home of a hardcore Marine atheist in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
90% of my neighborhood was black and Puerto Rican. Drugs, fighting, gangs. And you're a Caucasian yourself. Yes.
So, yeah, I know discrimination from the other side of the tracks kind of deal. And it was in that environment that I came to. Face to face with the living God when I was 16 years old. It's quite a story, but coming from that kind of background and coming to the realization that God is a real person and He's really alive, that was a radical change for me because the only kind of religiosity that I ever saw was maybe a crucifix on a wall or a stained glass window at a church. And that's about as far as my religious understanding took me.
And then at 16 years old, I actually went up to New Hampshire to beat somebody up who was a backslidden Christian who had impregnated my cousin and come to find out that he came from a Christian family. And we had not time to explore this, but literally I walked into a brick wall of air where air repelled me three times. I was going to hurt the guy, and I ran into air that was repelling me three times. And so I. I'm going through mental gemnistics.
You know, what am I dealing with here? And when I decided that I would just talk to this individual, I was allowed to pass. And I walk up to him. I said, Do you know who I am? He goes, No.
I said, Do you know why I'm here? He says, No. I said, I'm here to hurt you. And he told me that ain't going to happen. And the thing is, Dr.
Brown, I know it was true. Wow. That I wasn't able to touch him. Of course, I asked him why. and he says the name.
Because of the Lord Jesus Christ. And when He said that name, something jumped on me like white on rice. I had goosebumps on my goose bumps, and I said, Man, you said that name. I'm feeling funny And that was the beginning of the end for me. How many years ago was that now?
Well, I'm going to be 60, so I was 16 years old. Not any years ago. Incredible. All right, we're going to talk about the journey from there and what every Christian can do to be a pro-life Christian. Speaking with Rusty Thomas, Operation Save America.
It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown. Get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34TRUTH. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown.
I'm speaking today with Rusty Thomas. For those wondering about my views on the elections and where we stand and Senator Cruz dropping out, go to my website, askdrbrown.org, ASKDRBrown.org. Click on latest article. It's getting a lot of attention. My article on Donald Trump as a National Inquirer candidate for a Jerry Springer generation, part of God's potential judgment on America, or ongoing judgment.
That being said, I hope I'm wrong. I hope God gets hold of him and uses him. But right now, I'll continue to raise my voice with my concerns. I'm speaking with Rusty Thomas, the director of Operation Save America, gets radically saved at the age of 16. I didn't know him back then.
I've only known him as Fearless. Unashamed preacher of the gospel, standing for the rights of the unborn. How do you go from radically saved at 16 to becoming a frontline culture war Christian?
Well, we would probably be here for quite some time, brother, to go through the whole story, but let's just say that God. He disciplined me. He busted me up. He took me to the woodshed many times, bestowed a lot of miraculous intervention in my life, enough until I finally surrendered to the call of God upon my life and entered the sphere of serving his purposes in this generation. But specifically, Dr.
Brown, you know, scripture says, out of the mouth of two or three witnesses, let it be established. And, you know, Jeremiah talked about, Lord, you set me up and I'm set up. And that's what happened to me, Dr. Brown. The Lord set me up.
I was pastoring in St. Petersburg, Florida. I was traveling as an evangelist, doing part-time missions and stuff like that. And God was blessing the ministry. People were getting saved and filled with the Spirit.
Healings, you know, the gifts of the Spirit were flowing, and God was doing a great work. But on the inside, I was just dying, Dr. Brown. Brown. I was just dying.
When I looked at the condition of the church and I looked at the condition of our nation and the direction that we were going in, I just was disturbed. I was struggling. And I just got to the point. I just really began to seek God. And a few things that happened.
And the first one was this: I had a good friend of mine. I call him my friend, and I thank him for ruining my life because he was the one who gave me this videotape called The Massacre of Innocents.
Now, it's important that you understand, Dr. Brown, I had always been a preacher of righteousness. Always. I never shied away from the burning issues of the day. I confronted my own sin, my family's sins, the church's sin, the national sin.
If it was contrary to the word of God, I boldly proclaimed God's word unashamedly.
So you weren't compromised, you weren't watering down the message, you weren't avoiding the cultural issues, but you still hadn't been seized, gripped.
Well, what? What has happened up to that point, Dr. Brown? I had never seen an abortion. I mean, up to that point, abortion was a word we debated.
You know, it was a word that we argued, you know, pro-choice, you know, premises, pro-life rebuttals, you know, things like that. And there's social issues, and look, the mother can't really afford another mouth to feed, and the husband has left the home, and she's already got a handicapped child. And a lot, look, compassion would say better not to bring the child into the world.
So you can have these arguments that are very compelling. Right. And then what about rape and what about incest?
So a lot of philosophical, theological arguments that seem compassionate and compelling until you see it. And that's what that videotape did for me, Dr. Brown. It just removed the veil. And it's a great work by Eric Homberg.
I don't know if you've ever seen it before, but he goes to great lengths at the beginning of the film to trace child sacrifice and the shedding of innocent blood to the incestuous affair between Lot and his daughters that gave us, you know, the Amon and Moabite tribes. They were the first to introduce child sacrifice into the world. And he just traces it from there all the way up to the modern era. But it was the second part of the film that God used to just break my heart and open my eyes. He has a song on there by Pat Benatar.
You remember the old rocker from the 80s? And she had this song called Hell. is for children. and as she screamed, Hell is for children doctor Brown he showed that Pictures Of aborted babies. And I'm literally watching, I mean, heads.
Decapitated. I mean Limbs Cut off. Torsos, and it was so traumatic for me, brother. It just like mentally and morally and spiritually, I could not absorb the evil that I was seeing. And I remember turning it off and just running to my bedroom, and I lied prostrate before God.
And, brother, I'm not talking. Crying, I'm not talking weeping, I'm talking about a wailing so intense that my physical chest hurt, and it was literally my Isaiah 6 moment. I had seen the Lord. and now my life is undone. And it literally just kind of unraveled right before my eyes.
I I just could not believe this nation that I have loved so much, and I served with the 101st Airborne, I just could not believe that we had been reduced to this kind of evil and idolatry, that parents would do this to their own children. It it it was it shattered. It just shattered my life. And do you remember what year that was? Oh, my gosh.
It was the fall of 1988, and that was the first witness. That's where God kind of busted up the fallow ground in me. And then right after that, Doctor Brown, the next week was Atlanta. the Democratic National Convention, and I'm literally watching on T V Christians being handcuffed and dragged away from abortion mills. And I'm going, what meaneth this?
And so that was sort of like the secondfold witness. And then the week after that, I get a knock at the door of my church. A pastor who I do not know just arbitrarily walks up, knocks on my door, and he says, Pastor, we need to talk. and I said, About what? He said, I just got back from Atlanta.
And when he said that, doctor Brown immediately tears just started streaming down my face, and I said, Yes, brother. We have to talk. What is going on? What is God doing? And what he shared with me, brother, he shared that this was the first time.
In the American Holocaust, Where the church was pointing the finger in the right direction. Up to this time, we are pointing the finger at the Supreme Court, the feminist groups, and the usual suspects. But he said, Here we began to point the finger at ourselves, and we repented of our indifference, our apathy, our indolence. And as we repented and cried out to God, we brought forth fruit meat for repentance. And that's where all the scriptures kicked in.
You know, rescue those unjustly sentenced to death. Speak for those who can't speak for themselves. And love your neighbor as yourself. Yeah, and as you're sharing all this, Rusty. And I asked you about the date, not just for chronology, but because you share all this with tears in your eyes.
that this remains as as brutal and painful. and overwhelming to you now as it was then. I literally am going to play the devil's advocate here. And say this. You had your experience.
You had your encounter. God burdened you. He hasn't burdened me. I love Jesus, and he hasn't burdened me about this.
So I bless you. Do what you're doing, but don't lay a guilt trip on me. Go ahead and respond.
Well the You know, brother, h here's the thing. Life's hard. It's tough. We don't want to add. problems to our lives.
Brother, when you deal with child sacrifice and the shedding of innocent blood, You're dealing with Satan's crown jewel. whenever he raises his ugly head, he goes after the seed of man. And that is true in the time of Moses. It was true at the time of Christ. and so this battle is not new, and I think the Church instinctively knows.
that if she puts her hand to this, If she literally crosses that line of obedience to stand in the gap and to make up the hedge, There is going to be a price to be paid. And up to this point, we really have not been willing to pay that price. Even the price of compassion. I remember when the silent scream movie came out I was afraid to watch it because I thought if I watch it, it may wreck my whole life. I I don't know what God will require of me, but I thought I can't stick my head in the sand.
And just look, no one wants to go to a funeral. And weep. And you don't want to face death. You don't want to face pain. If we can avoid it, We avoid it.
But when you have the slaughter of the innocents taking place, regardless if someone says, I don't know about the history and the incest and Genesis and the forget all that. The graphic evidence that you speak of. And I remember this, and there's a national event coming up. I want to talk about it as soon as we come back. That when I was involved in an Operation Rescue event in Washington, D.C., years ago, before we were all arrested, I was shocked to see the people protesting against us, Satanists, gay activists, and atheists.
I thought, why are they here pro-abortion? Isn't that something? We'll be right back. It's the line of fire with your host, Dr. Michael Brown, your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.
Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I am speaking with Rusty Thomas, director of Operations Save America, a man who has given decades of his life now to rescue the perishing and to help. Mothers and fathers who decide not to abort their children, to reach out with compassion, to bring the gospel of Jesus and the message of salvation, but to highlight the horrific crime in America of the shedding of innocent blood. If you're listening and you've had an abortion, There is no condemnation to those who ask for mercy or forgiveness.
Yes, it is a sin. And you may have made the decision under tremendous duress, and you may have shed many tears over it. Jesus can forgive that and wipe away the guilt. And give you a message of life. If you've worked in an abortion clinic and you're under conviction, turn to God and ask for forgiveness.
He can forgive that sin like every other sin. Jesus died for it, but now say, God, let my life be used to bring life and hope to others. Rusty, there's an event coming up July 16th to 23rd. Operation Save America national event. Commemorating the 25th anniversary of the Summer of Mercy.
I had friends involved with that in Wichita, and they said it was a move of God.
Something actually happened. The news would hear: you're breaking the law, Christians are breaking the law, and all these evil people, what are they doing? Obviously, you were not violent, you were there to save lives, not hurt lives. But what actually happened there was God moved on the churches. There was like an awakening, wasn't there?
Brother, it was truly a heaven-sent revival. I mean, one week turned into two and a half months. And Dr. Brown, we just entered a very special realm.
Now, here's the deal: if you're looking at the outside, you're saying, oh my gosh, this is messy. What in the world is happening? But when you were in the midst of this, brother, when you were involved in what was happening, this is the kind of realm we had entered into. If you were for us, Or against us, it didn't make a difference. Whether you blessed us, whether you cursed us, it didn't make a difference.
We were in a realm that even our mistakes were perfect. Because what happened, brother, is that the government kept crossing the line, and then the church of Jesus Christ would cross that line. And every time she obeyed her Lord in crossing that line, God increased his miracles, his anointing, his presence, his power.
So, in other words, if the government overstepped its bounds, if the government said you cannot cross this line, even though legally, constitutionally, you could. And you looked at the government and said, With all respect to your authority, we must obey God rather than men. We never rebel, we just obey the highest authority. With all respect, we have to cross this line. The moment you put your foot over it, something happened.
And look, there. I remember being in India in 1995, and we were preaching in a militant Hindu village that had been very violent against a neighboring village in years past. We knew it was a precarious situation to preach there. We were preaching, and the second night, Hindu radicals took over the stage, and they took away our mics. They had knives and razor blades in their hands.
We thought this, it could get wild. And at that moment, there was no fear of death, there was no fear of injury. All you saw is they're lost. They're lost. They need Jesus.
So something happens when you get on the front lines here. In other words, the evil becomes evil in front of your eyes. Honestly, just to give you an idea, Dr. Brown, the grace that we were walking in. and the power of his anointing, There there was a time where they actually got on horses and they charged into our crowds.
Police? Yeah, the police did. Not a single saint. And you were peaceful. You were just sitting there.
Yeah. And not a single saint moved. Not a single saint. Honestly, Dr. Brown, and I say this.
I believe this is the gospel truth. if the Federal Marshals would have taken out their guns and said move or we're going to open fire. I believe there were some people that would have stayed there and died. That's the kind of grace. That's the kind of conviction of God's Spirit that was on us at that time.
And you were simply saying. We're sitting peacefully in front of an abortion. It's inner position. We're singing hymns, we're worshiping, and we're saying, please. Don't take this baby's life.
There's a better way. Dr. Brown, all it is, it's the biblical truth. of interposition. you know, to stand in the gap, to make up the hedge.
You know, what is what is the doctrine of interposition? It's when that person steps between the oppressor and the victim, To save their lives. And of course, we were telling the police and the federal marshals, you're not our problem. And when we went to the abortion mill door or gate, we literally got on our hands and knees. In fact, let me just give you this quick testimony.
As we're scooching towards the gate, kind of playing tag with the federal marshals, one of the federal marshals, this literally happened, Dr. Brown. He stood up and tears started coming down his eyes. And he ran to his superior offer and said, Relieve me. I can't do this.
Reassign me, please. I can't do this. And they reassigned him. Two o'clock in the morning that night. Dr.
Brown, he came walking up to me and the group that I was with, and this is the exact words out of his mouth. Who is your God? And what must I do to be saved? Wow. Literally, right straight from the book of Acts.
Wow. And we had the honor of leading that man to Christ that night. I could give you so many miracles, brother. I'm talking some of them Old Testament caliber, Old Testament caliber miracles that took place. This is the 25th.
Anniversary now of this summer of mercy, July 16th to 23rd. 2016. If folks want to find out about this, should they go to operationsaveamerica.org? Yes, sir. All right.
OperationSaveamerica.org. We'll talk the next half hour a little bit more about this, but we've got just two minutes before the next break, Rusty. Have you ever been physically assaulted? Obviously, you've been cursed out. You've had all manner of evil spoken against you.
People are kind of shocked. I remember students of mine involved in pro-life work in the 80s on Long Island, and they said, just stand in there in front of an abortion mill, and grandma would come down, roll down her window with her grandkid in the car, and use the most profane, vile language and drive off. But have you actually been physically assaulted or spat on or anything like that? A few times. A few times.
You know, beaten by, you know, gang members who are bringing their women in to get abortions and police officers at times brutalized us and shed blood. And in this battle, brother, I I tell people all the time. W once you put your hand to this, two things I can guarantee you. Spiritual warfare is going to take on a whole new meaning in your life. but number two, and this is where it's worth it all, brother.
Is you're literally getting to walk in the footsteps of your Lord and to follow him in this great battle for the souls of men, the lives of these children, and the future of our nation. And I'm telling you, brother, this is why a lot of Christians in America are dying on the vine, is because we look at the Bible and we see this miraculous God. We see his powerful intervention in the affairs of men. And then we wonder why this is not happening in our day. We're like Gideon, brother.
You know what I mean? Where we've heard, you know, what God used to do, but in our day, it ain't happening. Why is this?
Well, what did God say? Gideon? Take on the bail and take it out. And then you will see my miraculous intervention once again. And that's what happens when you cross this line.
It runs out into the deep. Luke 5: the miracles of God are found in the deep waters of obedience. It's the line of fire with your host, activist, author, international speaker, and theologian Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice of moral, cultural, and spiritual revolution.
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I plan to talk more about that tomorrow on our Thurly Jewish Thursday broadcast. Today, The honor of sitting with Reverend Rusty Thomas. He is the author of the Field Manual for Abortion Ministry: How to Stay Faithful in the Battle Without Harming Yourself or Others, and he is presently the director of Operation Save America. And you can find out more by going to operationsaveamerica.org. Rusty, we often hear about the abortion holocaust.
Now, we know in World War II, what, 20 plus million died overall in the war. We know the Nazis probably responsible for. Executing maybe 11 million people. I forget the exact numbers, but 6 million Jews, including a million and a half babies and children. That represented two-thirds of Europe's population of Jews.
I've referred to abortion Holocaust over the years, but many take exception to it and say, How can you possibly compare rounding up men, women, and children, herding them off into gas chambers or killing them in other ghastly ways with the slaughter of the unborn? And look, you're talking about fetus and massive cells, you know, and how can you possibly compare them? Is it right to speak about the abortion Holocaust? It is absolutely right, Dr. Brown.
I just got interviewed by the Danish Broadcasting Company from Denmark, and we brought this issue up. And I said, let's just go through history. History is replete with examples of genocide, and Holocaust. That is a part of our bloody history as humanity. Yeah.
Two things must take place. for a genocide or a holocaust to transpire. Number one, men and nations have to distance themselves from the God of the Bible: God the Father, God the Son. God the Holy Spirit. That's the first thing the nation has to do.
we have to abandon the objective truth of God's commandments. Number two you have to remove The humanity of the persons you are seeking to target for destruction.
Now, whether that child is in the womb or outside of the womb, we know biblically, Dr. Brown, God makes no distinction between the pre-born. And the born, and the same God who wants justice for the born wants justice for the pre-born. The great majority of mothers who are considering abortion but see an ultrasound of their baby don't have. Have the abortion because they see this is not just a clump of cells.
It's the humanity. The humanity. When Doritos had this silly commercial during the Super Bowl, and where there's a lady having an ultrasound, and the guy's mindlessly munching on Doritos as the wife's having the ultrasound, and then he holds one over the stomach, so you get the impression the baby goes jumping out to try to grab it. And NARAL, one of the leading pro-abortion organizations in America, they were outraged, not just over the gender stereotyping, but of the anti-choice tactic of humanizing the fetus. And then when Hillary Clinton spoke about the unborn person that says they don't have constitutional rights, people are out.
How dare you call the fetus a person?
So you must dehumanize the fetus to kill the fetus. And that is exactly what happened in Germany. you know, be before uh Hitler, uh did the terrible acts towards the Jews, he had to turn them into subhuman creatures. If you remember, he had a whole media campaign actually comparing Jews to vermin. You know, like they were like rats running throughout the nation.
And of course blaming them for all their woe. Exactly. They had to be dehumanized. I believe it is absolutely right to speak of an abortion holocaust. We'll be right back.
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Let me say plainly. that if you are Someone who's had an abortion in the past, and you're listening and feeling utterly condemned. Jesus died for that sin. Jesus died for that sin like every other sin, and if you'll ask God to forgive you, He will. And if you're a believer and you know forgiveness, but hearing about these things, it stirs something up.
Let that turn to prayer. Let that turn to crying out to God to make a difference. There was. An event Over 10,000 people joined First annual nationwide Planned Parenthood protest on April 23rd. 228 individual protests were held in 44 states in the District of Columbia, with more than 10,000 pro-lifers coming out to educate the public about the deadly agenda of the nation's largest abortion chain.
Some came to protest and they were, interestingly enough, Satanists. Satanists. And Planned Parenthood said this This says all that needs to be said about Planned Parenthood: that Satanists come out to protest against us. And they are in league with Planned Parenthood. This is what Monica Miller, Citizens for Pro-Life Society, said.
If I was Planned Parenthood, Uh I would be horrified to be associated with them in any Way. All right, Rusty Thomas, Director of Operations Save America. Speak freely. These are your views you're going to share. I may agree, I may disagree, but I want you to speak freely.
about why would Satanists be Uh An event standing with Planned Parenthood. Why have you seen often homosexual activists? Basically, standing with abortion clinics when you're there at a pro-life event because you're thinking. Percentage-wise, the men are less likely to impregnate a woman. the women are less likely to get impregnated.
So you would think that abortion would be Really, not an issue to the vast majority of homosexual activists, and yet it seems to be a major issue. In fact, a gentleman I debated, a professing gay Christian, in 2008, he left his job as a faith director for the human rights campaign, the world's largest gay activist organization, and instead took over the leadership of a radical pro-abortion organization.
So, your view, give us the connection.
Well, brother, this was obviously a shock to my system when I first. Crossed that line and entered the fray, there was a lot. Obviously, I did not understand. Like I said, Doctor Brown, just my heart was broken and my eyes are open to this evil. But I was not prepared.
For the things that I was going to see and experience, you know, at first. And one of the shocks was that. when I went to the abortion mills, predominantly It was homosexuals that were guarding the death camp, and they were acting as what we call death scorts. And their job, as it is, is to make sure the women do not hear the pleas of the gospel and the offers of help to rescue them and their child from the horrors of abortion. And when I went up to there, you know, I would talk to them, and I'm please.
Explain this to me. Why would you We know your sexual activity, it doesn't lead to life. In fact, statistically, and I mean, I would just tell them the truth: that it leads to death. You will not live out half your days because of this immorality in your life. And I would use that to call them to repentance and get the true love that they need that will set them free, you know, from this bondage.
Well, you know, and here's the thing: they would give all kinds of answers. But what I began to realize, Dr. Brown, is that. The homosexual agenda understands this battle of a lot more than most Christians. You know These are tw twin evils, and one feeds the other.
So what do they have in common? Antichrist you know Anti-life, anti-family, anti-order. In other words, this is a full-bledged rebellion to God and his creative order. And there is actually a scripture, brother, in Psalm 106 where it talks about when the Israelites basically adopted some of the idolatry of the pagan nations and betrayed the Lord. And one of the things that they adopted was the altars of Moloch, the altars of Baal.
And the scripture says that when they sacrificed their sons and daughters and shed innocent blood, they had sacrificed them. to devils to demons And we just have to understand that when a nation sheds innocent blood, particularly the blood of children, it literally nurtures the demonic realm. Just look at this generation, Dr. Brown, that we are raising. I mean, all the signs of paganism are all around us.
You know, how many kids are cutting themselves? How many kids are tattooing themselves? You know, how many are screaming in torment?
Well, the deal is, brother, we have made a covenant with death. Our nation has made a covenant with death. And with each child that's being sacrificed, we are literally nurturing the demonic realm.
Well, here, again, the homosexuals, whether they're conscious of it or not, whether they believe this or not, they know where they get their empowerment. and it comes straight from those death camps where children Are being led to slaughter and their innocent blood is being shed.
So you are saying that if there was not a radical Pro-abortion movement, which came into prominence through Roe v. Wade in 1973, which has resulted in the slaughter of more than 55 million babies in the womb, that without that, we would not be seeing the great advances in homosexual activism? Sin as long as we're in this world, there will be sin, there will be sinners.
Okay? But national sin brings national calamity. And I am saying that y just brother, you study Romans chapter one. You know what happens when nations refuse to acknowledge God and be thankful? What begins to happen?
The first thing is very interesting. the woman refuses the natural use. feminism, lesbianism, Look at the feminist movement. Yeah, and even if we back it up a little, obviously there's first the The idolatry, the worshiping created things rather than the creator, then there's giving over to the lusts of the flesh, and then there's the perversions of that. But obviously, when you point to say radical feminism, we're not just talking about equal pay for a woman doing the same job, we're talking about radical feminism that despises motherhood.
That often has it's interesting, often uses the natural use, right? Often lesbian leadership. It's interesting, Camille Paglia. who is lesbian, who's an atheist. She said, look, the pro-lifers have the much stronger moral position.
Because you have to recognize that's a human being in the womb.
So, again, when we have there's a war on gender today, so the war on male-female distinctions, the war to redefine marriage, the war to look around the world, less and less children are being born. We're actually going to have not a population crisis of too many people, but in many nations, not enough people.
Well, that's Margaret Sanger, brother. If you remember her eugenics philosophy, her desire was to have the greatest sexual fulfillment. without any responsibility of raising children. See, people don't understand. This all began with birth control, brother.
In fact, because she was a eugenist there was that racial component. Her this is her quote when it comes to birth control It will lead to a cleaner race. Lead to a cleaner race. People don't even understand that even the roots of birth control has a racial component to it. But the point of the matter is, brother, with feminism came birth control.
And since birth control, look at every area of human society, brother. Fornication, off the charts. Adultery, off the charts. Molestation, off the charts. You know, every sexual deviancy has been unleashed against this nation.
Now, politically, we need to understand when it comes to dictators and tyrants, they always use sexual immorality to control the masses.
So all this, brother, is one thing is feeding the other, and we are in the midst of the throes of this thing. All right, friends, here's what I want you to consider. Not that there is an active conspiracy between, say, satanic groups and gay activist groups and feminist groups and pro-abortion groups, and they all sit down in a smoke-filled room and have their secret meetings and collude on how they're going to destroy America. But Rusty Thomas is saying there is a spiritual connection, there is a demonic connection. And look, I'm looking at an article on Breitbart from last July.
A devil-worshiping group calling itself the Satanic Temple has been working to raise funds to promote abortion on demand and to counter legal efforts such as the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act and 20-week abortion bans. Why in the world would they do this? There's a national conference. If this is fueling a fire in you as you're listening, Operation Save America national event, Wichita, Kansas, this July, 16th to 23rd. Find out more by going to operationsaveamerica.org.
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Go to askdrbrown.org. Click right on the homepage banner to find out more. Listen to what Camille Paglius said. Again, she's lesbian, feminist, atheist. Many women, like myself, a gay liberal, are deeply upset over the abortion issue.
Ultrasound technology has allowed us to see into the womb like never before, and the obvious face of humanity is clear. I totally respect your take on abortion, precisely because you never tried to dehumanize the pre-born vulnerable. She's being interviewed here. You were clearly pro-choice, but made the harsh reality of the decision very clear. Camille Pagley is saying, Yeah, we can be pro-choice, but we need to face the reality here that the pro-lifers have the stronger moral ground.
This is a lesbian feminist. Liberal atheist making a statement, speaking with Rusty Thomas, director of Operation Save America. I don't have time to go to the phones, but Brian in North Carolina has an important question. What about? Adopting children, what about proactive measures we can take?
What about someone who says, abortion is the only option I have right now? If I don't have an abortion, my life is over, but I'm willing to give the bait. I just don't know what options do I have. Rusty, what do they do?
Well, h here's the thing, Doctor Brown. Unfortunately, the American system is built upon abortion, not adoption. Right. You know what I'm saying? And so basically what we do is when we go to the abortion mills, uh we tell these couples, listen, There are people, there are two million people, some of them that go to bed crying at nights because they have no children and they want to adopt.
Now this is an amazing thing. We got two million couples that want to adopt children. And we got 1.3. Million children that are being aborted. And unfortunately, Dr.
Brown, we're not connecting the dots here.
Okay.
So, what we do in our area of ministry is we try to make that connection.
So, when we go to the abortion mill, we don't go empty-handed, brother. We're not just cursing the darkness and saying, you know, this is bad, this is evil, and things of this nature. We're trying to light a candle, we're trying to provide a way out to let them know there is help available. I mean, there's churches, there's crisis pregnancy centers, there's adoption centers. And then, what we'll do, if they'll come talk to us and we'll minister the gospel, we'll take them from the death camp and actually bring them to the places, brother, that could actually help with some of these practical areas.
And I get emails on a regular basis in North Carolina from one dear sister, and she's sending out the pictures of the babies who've been born. Here are the baby showers, some to the natural parents, some to adoptive parents, and based in the North Carolina is Cities for Life. Awesome name. Cities number four, life, citiesforlife.com. It's a template that can be used around the country.
Bringing all these things together. I have a friend, a pastor about an hour out of Detroit, he got so burdened about abortion, he began to preach adoption and said, We need to be an adoption congregation.
So it's just spread, one couple after another, couple after another, adopting needy children. And this should not be difficult for Christians. Right. We've been adopted. Yes.
You know, I mean, the spirit of adoption cries, Abba, Father, this is who we are, and this is what we should do. Citiesforlife.com. If you're contemplating an abortion, if you're looking to help and get involved, a great place to go. All right, we've only got a matter of minutes. I'll have to take this subject up another time.
The doctrine of the lesser magistrates. Awesome. Where. Officials, people who have a certain level of government authority, say no. To the higher authority, because the higher authority is calling them to act against conscience and act against God.
And based on the Magdeburg Confession, April 13th, 1550. I'm going to have to do a whole show that focuses on these things in the future. But two minutes. What's the importance of the Magdeburg Confession, and why do we need to know about this doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates? The the doctrine of the lesser magistrate has been around for thousands of years.
E even pagans understood this principle. Roman Emperor Trajan gave his sword to one of his subordinates and said this If I give you lawful orders, use the sword against the enemy. But if I give unlawful orders, you use the sword against me. And even Dr. Brown, just I was in the military, military code of justice.
You know, they taught us, they trained us. Listen, if we give you lawful orders, you need to obey them even to the point of your death. But if a superior gives you an unlawful order, you are by no means to obey it. And this is sort of the doctrine of the lesser magistrate.
So, when a higher authority issues a decree or passes a so-called law or makes some kind of policy, all right, that is corrupt, unjust, immoral, or unconstitutional, it's the duty of the lesser magistrate, and like in our case, a governor of the state or sheriff of a county simply say no to the higher authority. We are not going to do that. We're not going to implement that. Like, you may break your vow and you may become lawless, but I'm going to keep my vow and I'm going to maintain law and order and I'm going to protect the life and liberty and the property of the citizens who voted me into office and I'm going to protect my constituencies. All right.
And it may come to that in many cases all over America. Real quick, one minute. Magdeburg Confession. Why is that so? Important to me.
Awesome. Magdeburg Confession. That was written, you know, 500 years ago. It's been the first time translated into English. This is the David and Goliath story of history.
Bottom line, real quick: Martin Luther, 95 thesis, Wittenberg Church, bam, the Reformation takes off in earnest. The Pope taps the Catholic king. Charles, Ausburg, interim, go in, go into Germany, crush this rebellion, bring them back under the yoke of Rome. And so they march through Germany and they threaten the hamlets and the villages. Every single one caves, come back to the yoke of Rome except one, Magdeburg.
Magdeburg would not yield. And they made this Magdeburg Confession. And what they simply said, Dr. Brown, is this. We're Christians.
We're taught to obey the king and honor the king. We are your best citizens, but what you're doing is unlawful. And we cannot violate our conscience. Will keep our fealty to Christ and the gospel. And they were willing to die.
They suffered great deprivation. But because they took that stand, it was in God's providence, Dr. Brown, it was a Protestant prince leading the Catholic troops against his own people. He got the revelation. Instead of attacking Magdeburg, he turned to defend it.
And because of that, the Reformation survived, and we got the United States of America. Got it. All right, friends, you heard that was a mouthful packed in.
Well done, Rusty. The website operationsaveamerica.org. And by the way, as pro-life Christians, we don't take up the sword against our enemies. We are messengers of life consistently, holistically, wholeheartedly. We stand for life, we die for life, we bring life.
Get involved. Become a pro-life Christian. OperationsaveAmerica.org. My bottom line today is this. Not tomorrow.
Not next month. The time for action is now.
