Why I Am Not a Traditional Jew

The Jewish tradition is beautiful traditional Judaism to help preserve our people for thousands of years and yet there's a reason many reasons that I'm not a traditional Jew stage for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown, you know there's got to be us national category Jewish thought for Jewish believers in Jesus we fit into certain categories and others. We don't fifth. I will explain why. On this early Jewish Thursday.

I am not a traditional to myself this is Michael Brown you're listening to the line of fire and a thoroughly Jewish Thursday broadcast is always a lot of ground to cover news items to talk about Jewish issues to discuss and the phone lines are open for your Jewish related phone calls, so any Jewish related Israel related. He related question you have of any kind of do my best to be of help to even broader Middle East. Islamic issues will touch on those if I can help with recalls 8663 for 87884. Now there is a interesting poll from from a pew forum.org some of their research and they have this recent poll, Israel's diverse religious landscape of non-Jewish population of Israel.

So were timeout when everyone recognizes Israel as opposed to West Bank and Gaza, non-Jewish population 19%, almost 1 out of every five people in Israel is not listed as Jewish, 14% are Muslim.

There would be so-called Palestinians and Drew's 2%. Jews have an unusual set of beliefs somewhat close to muzzles but but the distinct religion of their own Christian 2% and other or no religion 1% since 19%, then the next largest number is below knee came on the means of secular 40% of Jews identify as secular culinary then the next largest group is Musser T, which means traditional its could be mildly religious. It would be different than the conservative Jewish movement in America, which is not politically or morally conservative is not that religious actually, but they consider themselves traditionalist, 23%. So they would be more observant but not ultra-observant, but certainly not secular and then 18% are divided into the very religious 10% of them say that they are religious, that is.T.T they would certainly be wearing a yarmulke head covering, they would certainly be in the synagogue ring on the Sabbath, there would certainly be observing the dietary laws carefully gutsy and then 8% Kari D.

Ultra-Orthodox, that number would be growing the fastest because they have the biggest families often tend to 12 or 13 or 14 or 15 kids per family so they are multiplying at the highest rate Kari the ultra-Orthodox. Those should be the ones you commonly see pictures, praying it at the wall so with the long black coats and the black hats they would be the most fastidiously observant, some are Hasidic, some are not. That's another subdivision, but very interesting 40% feeling the secular of the Jewish population 23% Musser T traditional so between between traditional religious and ultra-Orthodox that is 41% of the population a little bit more than the secular but where messianic Jews for that on that. Where do we fit in. And the answer is I say we need another category recon the which is spiritual Rubicon. The Jews with different spiritual rotation was not the city. Others have a spiritual orientation is to say that ours is of a different kind 866-34-TRUTH disseminating for your Jewish would call him back.

The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the line of fire now by calling 866. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown. I was just asked someone asked me are you the head of the messianic Jews are you the head of the messianic youth. This is my grandmother thoroughly Jewish Thursday the number to call 8663. Foray 7884 with any Jewish related questions Israel related questions. He related questions Judaism related questions that you may have.

I responded that I've been considered that the world's leading messianic Jewish apologist. Thankfully, more and more being raised up in a and by God's grace. Many will pass me in and be more effective in that the days and years ahead. But I've served the set role serving the messianic Jewish community. Debating the rabbis in putting out material to answer Jewish objections to Jesus and things like that but I said messianic Jews are as diverse and ununited as Jews worldwide.

If secular Jews have religious Jews, you have Jews who were Reconstructionist reform conservative Orthodox ultra-Orthodox and divisions within them. Is there one head of Jews and Judaism worldwide.

No of course not so with messianic Jews have different groups, different organizations of some messianic Jews are messianic congregation summer in churches.

Some are unaffiliated so there is tremendous diversity among us, and yet what unites us is our faith in Jesus Yeshua the Messiah and effectively recognize were still Jews and we embrace Jesus Yeshua as the Messiah. Some messianic Jews are very secular. In other words, in terms of observance of the Jewish holidays in terms of observance of the Jewish calendar and things like that that's that's not them that is not their heritage or their background, with a feel of the Lord's written on their heart that somehow they see the Scriptures. Some are thoroughly involved in in church and Christianity in the full sense the words of consent converted to Catholicism or other traditional Christian expressions and therefore you know they're celebrating Easter and and and following the length and calendar and things like that. You have others who are part of messianic Jewish variations, but are not traditional they say look, according to Scripture, we should celebrate the Passover. Why celebrate a separate holiday called Easter we celebrate the Messiah's death and resurrection within within Passover and why celebrate Christmas is not a biblical holiday will celebrate the birth of the Messiah, a Tabernacles. We think he may have been born so they're doing what they're doing.

Based on Scripture and yet there clearly identifiably Jewish they they worship on a Saturday should bath a Sabbath is supposed to Sunday to call their congregations of a congregation or messianic synagogue rather than a church and they have others who live very traditional. They feel that the traditions are beautiful and and help preserve our people and some of them are even inspired. So there there traditionally don't find all the teaching of the rabbis binding if they did they would not be following Jesus. Yeshua right if they did find the traditions of the rabbis binding and they would have to deny Jesus as the Messiah, but they find the traditions beautiful and and therefore they like to keep them and then some have a mixture that like some of the traditions they don't like other traditions they find some in harmony with Scripture. Others not in harmony with Scripture and because of that they use Alma don't use others in an ultimately except for the most ultra-ultra-ultra-ultra-ultra-ultra-Orthodox Jews that try to follow all the traditions, their basic philosophy would be all right. You know, here are the ones that we feel are relevant or worthy in here is the ones that we feel may been outdated or just research entire community or need reinterpretation. So why am I not a traditional Jew, why don't I follow the traditions according to traditional Judaism.

When God gave Moses the law on Mount Sinai. He not only gave him the written law which is called terrace a bit out of in traditional Judaism that is that the law the teaching that is in writing, but he also gave him what is called terrace of all pay the oral law the teaching that is passed on orally and not put in writing. According to traditional Judaism.

When God gave the Commandments. The commandments were not comprehensive and complete in themselves that were meant to be. For example, if it says don't steal boutique no what is that mean does it mean don't kidnap go steal a person does it mean don't steal a thing if you're walking through a parking lot and there you find a nice pan laying on the ground in the middle of the parking lot. If you pick it up. Are you stealing what's the right way to response that what's not written isolate self-evidently means don't steal everybody to "go further. What about diligently working Sabbath and whoever works when put to death with us a try. Explain in detail what it means to to do work. You would think that if there's a death penalty for doing work it would define work correct. Theoretically, that's what it's expected but doesn't. So, how we explain it will traditional Jew say that the written Torah does not tell you everything you need. The oral traditions you need the oral traditions to help interpret the Torah and one of those oral traditions. They are the explanations of the written law.

They are principles of interpretation. So future generations will be able to deduce these truths about the oral law from the written law and that these were allegedly passed on through the generations Moses to Joshua Joshua to the elders the elders to various prophets the prophets to the leaders like Ezra Nehemiah called the men of the great assembly and then passed on through three pairs of scholars of two scholars each generation that were principally responsible and then by the time of Jesus passed on to Hillel and Shammai, who led the two main pharisaical schools. At that time and then in the early third century set a little after 200 traditional Jews would say because of persecution scattering because of challenges of daily life because the oral traditions were getting lengthier and lengthier and lengthier. They were finally put down in writing. That's what's called the Mishnah. And then there were expanded further in what's called the Talmud and the main tome of the Babylonian Talmud reaches its count culmination of more than 500 years after the time of Jesus, but traditional Jews, traditional Jews will say it's an ongoing tradition.

In other words, these things been passed down and put in writing and in every generation has to pass them on in the living way instead of the traditions make application so it doesn't matter even if it's 300 years old. It still part of that chain going all the way back to most. They would say that I learned from my father who learned from his father learned from his father only back to Moses and if you say we don't have the accurate tradition in your you say my father.

His father someone along the way was lying. Now that's the way it's presented. But there are many, many other alternatives and there are plenty of nontraditional Jewish scholars who recognize that there is no such thing as an unbroken chain of oral tradition going back to Moses. That's what I want to examine with you today. This idea that there's an unbroken chain of tradition that goes all the way back to Moses on Mount Sinai and I believe I can give you clear evidence that there is no such thing as an unbroken oral tradition going all the way back to Moses on Mount Sinai.

Therefore, while I might find beauty the traditions while I might find value in the traditions I do not follow the Jewish traditions in my own life.

Certainly in any rigorous way, not in disrespect to the rabbis but in respect to God and his word and I do believe that through the Messiah coming into the world.

God has given us a new and better way.

A new and better way whereby we apply what is written in the word, by the spirit listen to what Alan J.

Avery Peck said he's a Jewish scholarly rabbinic literature through big notion of oral Torah cannot be equated in any concrete sense with a corpus of laws and interpretations that actually existed throughout Israelite history. Clearly he writes Jews in different historical periods and places observe Scriptures dicta. According to interpretations of the biblical text, some of which may have been transmitted from generation to generation. There is no evidence that such traditions ever comprise the unit area unitary tradition stretching back to Sinai. This is the clear evidence of the rabbinic writings indicates that these texts do not embody such tradition. If it did exist, they are rather the products of their authors who pursue their own independent program in order to create a system of practice a belief that we take Judaism. From there they too are all in other words, in other words, the rabbinic leaders.

The rabbinic scholars. The teachers develop these traditions as a way to preserve Judaism through the centuries as a way to practically live out what was written in the Torah and preserve the unity and devotion of the people of Israel. But these traditions were now retro averted as if they were wolfing way back all the way back to Moses. In other words, maybe they began to have their origins. A couple hundred years before the time of Jesus. Let's just put that number out there and then by the time we get to the town of Jesus to those the traditions of the fathers another few generations. Nono used uncle Jessica way back half of it all the way back to Moses.

This is how the myth of an unbroken binding oral tradition going back to Moses has been birth if I felt that God gave these and commended all of Israel to keep them fine then would be much less a privilege to do so. That is not case 866-34-TRUTH hey this is Michael Brown.

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All right before I get to the phones in volume 5 of my series answering Jewish objections to Jesus I tackle the question of traditional Judaism with respect and honor for the traditions with respect and honor for the rabbis I tackle this, and I explained why I don't believe that these traditions are binding or go back to Moses. It's a whole volume that addresses these many questions those on the study this in more depth can go there. Those who just want to get an overview of what we cover in that volume go to real Messiah.com real Messiah.com and just click on rejections the traditional objections.

There also yesterday, my testimony put together by the team and I met Messiah. My testimony on video was published out there different versions would be sharing my faith share my story from LSD to PhD and things like that and we've often got great reports on this test when it's all to the glory of God. My story, it's the amazing God that we serve and what he's done all this. This is unique. This testimony the way they did it the way they put together the musical animation. The sound effects that video editing. They did an incredible job on it since it was posted yesterday. Let's just see. Since it was posted yesterday morning.

It's been viewed on Facebook, but 80,000 times.

So if you haven't seen it.

It's posted on my Facebook page asked Dr. Brown a SK DR Brown on Facebook. I think you'll find it really edifying the Lord will be glorified through it, my dear bride Nancy told me that she she thought it was really moving so that that was so that was significant for for my wife whotold her and we met after Jos�, but she certainly knows my story further sure that that was significant to me, 86634 to the all right. Let's take some Jewish -related calls and we go to Luke in Charleston South Carolina. Thanks for calling the line of fire.

Luke. Luke is gone. Look at that I tell it, let me finish something up before I go back to the phones as some some news that is of interest. Honest reporting.com notes how the Associated Press is written about problems in Gaza. All the problems going on in there. Lots of of hardships for for the people living in Gaza.

Lots of hardships whose causing them come offs for example, I've read that for every hundred sacks of concrete that that come into Gaza maybe three or four are used for building housing and things like that and the rest are used for construction of of the tunnels to infiltrate under Israel and try to attack it's it's widely known that a large amount of the funds that come in that international leg gives to Gaza goes to military buildup to weapons the F test whether the weapons come from when the funds come from to build his terror tunnels and things like that so the whole problem. The great problem for the people of Gaza is they elected a corrupt and violent radical Islamic government, loss which is worse than the previous on cost and authority was anything but ideal. So we are still a problem self Associated Press.

When the largest news agencies of the world wrote a short article about Gaza just 300, not nine words.

Not a single one of those words was Thomas that in other words, it would be like diagnosing a patient who has cancer that spread through the whole body and talk about this. The bones are not in good shape and the these organs are not functioning well but forgetting to say the word cancer honest reporting.com's is that's like talk about Syria not using the words Islamic state or talk about the September 11 attacks not measuring Al Qaeda that it's more than surreal. It's bad journalism and then asked the question, why should the AP mentions Hamas and give five very very glaring reasons. So, what words does the AP use includes words such as specter of violence, chronic realities and the phrase Palestinians in Gaza are growing ever more desperate describes as problems, and then uses the word Israel or Israeli speaks of Netanyahu and and and Lieberman doesn't say another Israeli leader doesn't say anything about anything about come offs. No.

And if you miss this if if you if you miss this it in my article about Mark Zuckerberg is a well intended sincere liberal but he is has a massive blind spot. I mentioned that an Israeli organization culture rots had been ran a test they and they just grab it in front of me.

Sure rots had been okay. They ran a test on Facebook. They had two separate pages, one page was in Hebrew, basically saying stop the Palestinians, the other page was in Arabic saying stop the Israelis and what what they did. This was the end of last year so the anti-Israeli page would have a cartoon showing a crocodile with a Star of David with the all ox mosques inside. It's not the company with the phrase death to all the Jews and then they have something equivalent it in Arabic. Excuse me.

In Hebrew, calling for death to the Palestinians death to all the Arabs so they have these two sites with inflammatory material that ultimately Facebook search should shut down if you're saying death toll the Jews, or death to all the Arabs but what page got shut down the one calling for death to the Arabs. What about the one confidence to Jews no problem no problem that extraordinary bias just like the AP report these extraordinary blind spot, some of which are willing and open an undeniable and clear. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 66343 here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks for joining us on this thoroughly Jewish Thursday 7884 with go back to the phones Brian in Salina, Ohio. Welcome to the line of fire hiring fire drill. You pretty critical of Israeli stock handling, and the environment and dairy court and had introduced the death penalty. Now I'm wondering what you think about all that that cop. Some of the no I don't think it's going to stop things here. Here's what happened with Ms. Lieberman and and his party premise.

Netanyahu has a very tenuous coalition, barely a majority. You have to have 61 out of the hundred 20 Knesset seats have majorities got that the slimmest of majorities and he has a lot of affiliation with the ultra-Orthodox religious party since the only way he got his coalition last time around as prime minister.

He did need to do that this time he did what he wanted to strengthen his coalition reached out to Lieberman's party, which is a very, very strongly nationalistic party and Lieberman Sagal do it if I can get this position in terms of being defense minister and that means I'm going to advocate for the death penalty for Palestinians convicted of murdering Israeli citizens know the only person that's been put to death by trial. As a result of a trial in Israel's history.

The history of modern Israel is Adolf Eichmann.

The notes are notorious mass murdering Nazi who was successfully kidnapped by Israeli agents in a daring raid in Argentina. They brought Israel then try and convicted and and hung so he's the only one, others Palestinian mass murderers are in jail and they can be in jail for life, but there's been no death penalty. Do I think that having this death penalty would stop the violence or slow it no serving out for a few reasons. One, the hatred towards Israel and the Jews by Palestinian terrorists is so intense and so great that it really doesn't matter.

You can impose whatever penalty in the world you want to impose an SI can stop them from doing it. Secondly, if they truly believe they're doing allows work, then the death penalty would probably be a path to martyrdom for them. Fruit Lieberman. I don't know if he thinks it would slow the violence down. Maybe in some cases, it would maybe some people would think twice, but many of the committees lilacs know that they may die in the process. Some of them, of course, the suicide bombers and the like in their there planning so it's more just cracking down it's it's more just part of the strong nationalism. How would Israel as a whole relate on the withholding says on this matter. Unless there's data on it yet but on the one hand, Israel tends to be more tolerant, more humanistic in that respect number. This is the same Israel that that has gay pride parades and it's so that cities and and free abortion for women serving in the in the armed services and things like that. On the flipside, when you have these into father's these uprisings and hundreds and hundreds of Israelis are seriously wounded and many others killed, including elderly, including children, many Israelis then are at that breaking point and they they would very gladly see more strict penalties and in some cases you've had some of the most notorious murderers ever in Israel's history so the most notorious terrorist murderers are and they have been exchanged and in prisoner releases your thousand Israeli prisoners to get back one Israeli 60 7000 Palestinian terrorists who are in Israel's prisons exchange to get maybe the corpses of of Israeli soldiers back or something like that so obviously if you had the death penalty for some of these murderers, there would be no possible exchange, but this is sure to stir up more animosity towards Israel disabled and have death penalty for Palestinian terrorist convicted of murder of Israeli how follicle would be carried out.

That remains an open question. Thank you, Brian error on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown early is the number to call. We go back to the phones in Charlotte, North Carolina Tommy, welcome to the line of fire Dr. Brown God bless you.

Hope you're well. My question today would come from Isaiah 53 by your word of Old Testament looking about Scripture and even note due to understand the original Scriptures when they read that debate going on, thereby there is going to be about five that actually does physical healing and you know things along those lines were depicted more spiritual bent or I would pay interpret that Scripture would be. But yes, we don't know how the text was originally interpreted in other words, when it was spoken. It's in the larger context of Isaiah 40 to 55 which speaks of the return of the Jewish people from exile and so after great hardship and difficulty in suffering. The Jewish people would be restored to the land and the servants of the Lord beginning in the 41st chapter of Isaiah is often the nation of Israel as a whole then sometimes that servant is deaf and dominant and unresponsive and other times, the servant seems to be an individual within Israel, whose mission is to restore Israel to God and to be a light to the nations, one that will be rejected in the process was originally identified with the prophet and spoke the message. Some other individual remnant within Israel. We don't know that for sure. Was it clearly looked at as a messianic prophecy so that ancient Jews were said this is clear the Messiah know and I don't believe so hopefully they would read it like that. Originally when the Messiah comes and dies and rises and insist look back. It's in your Scriptures. Then you look back like there is I didn't see it. Have you ever looked at one of those pictures and it could be a beautiful woman and an old man and you look at it or see what I see I see an old man. Keep looking and you get lucky and then suddenly see the beautiful woman then you can see the old man anymore. You know it's but one but it's actually there. And there's wisdom from God and doing that because if everything is laid out in a way that is clearly predictable is like a mathematical equation and people try to make things happen. Take them in their own hands manufactured and is supposed to follow God by faith and obedience and then as things become clear. Now were accountable. Also, the prophetic language for healing was was holistic when I wrote my doctoral dissertation on the Hebrew for healing. One of the simple points I put forward was as literal as the smiting is that's how literal the healing would have to be what kind of smiting had Israel suffered while they suffer the destruction of the temple.

They suffered a the ravaging of their land. They suffered exile.

They suffered terrible economic hardship that they suffered shame and it all holistic and physical sickness and disease.

If God says I'm going to restore you and heal you, then what would that mean it would mean the reversal of all the negative conditions and a complete healing. So, as this is then used when we get closer to the time of Jesus the Greek translators of the of Isaiah that the Septuagint they translated this in a spiritual sense that when it speaks of them carrying our pains and sicknesses. It means it more in a spiritual sense. I would say it's not either or, it's both a and its inside and outside when it's according to first Peter two by his wounds you were healed retrospectively. It's pretty much talk about coming to faith in Jesus that we were healed that we were delivered from our sin, but in the process of that it does not exclude say deliverance from drug addiction or returning of sanity to someone that had lost their mind or physical healing of diseases, so it's not either/or, it's both add but if someone was looking at that. Originally, I would say whatever state of code sickness you found yourself in a marriage that had been destroyed. Children that had been alienated a body ravage with disease a bankruptcy and economic collapse when you are reading that and all those things that happen as a result of sin and now you know though since been paid for. And through that person suffering you can be healed. It would be the healing the restoration of all those and think of second Chronicles 714 if my people are called by my name will humble themselves and pray write that that famous passage or what what is God say I'll hear from heaven, forgive their sin and heal their land. We normally think of the land being healed, but in context it's been ravaged by locusts under the judgment of God.

Healing is restoration. So at the cost of his wounds. There is restoration for us. That's really what the prophet is saying thank you very much Dr. Brown appreciate that your. Right."� So bless you will thank you serum. I'm so blessed to hear that 866-34-TRUTH I lets try to reconnect with Luke and Charleston South Carolina are you there this time.

Luke and Dr. Brown are doing well thank you. Question for the former case. Family all rabbinic interpretation of prophecy and being uncertain is based on having specific to salvation, and the other wanted out the application because of a God here to those who may not have heard about the goat for twilight� Yes if you could just explain a little more depth. When you speak of rabbinic interpretation of messianic prophecy and then and then questioning issues regarding salvation. Just explain exactly what your looking at are struggling with evaluating you know what the rabbinical truthfully without errors or greater property. I believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and with the Messiah.our salvation, but sometimes Joetta and evaluating these things and being conflicted about the fear comes on like what if I'm wrong, what it actually draws what is not the Messiah, and having a fear learning that all made out lost my salvation because I am doubting what I think.

I think that dog because I originally met or interpretive or educational. Luckily me electrically much more about trusting Jesus or the order.

Salvation understands rather than absolute certainty. I know that the stuff in it.

You probably had to struggle in coming up and trying to, you know, I examine the rabbinical beliefs and leverage it without is 100� While having a spirit I can still have trust in Jesus, and I still stayed sure thing and lift regulation Jewish home just coming at this from another angle. Dr. Ira Myler check out Christian, but I just know that if you look at what nobody. You're right on that first let let me let me encourage you can remind you of what Paul wrote to Timothy that if we are faithless, he remains faithful he can't deny himself. The sin is active denial not struggling in faith. The sin is walking away from Jesus and denying him and and putting down our cross and say I'm in a live for myself and do my own thing. That's the sin set out-of-court losing salvation is much as renouncing the Lord and walk away from pulses to Timothy.

If we deny him will deny us. So if if God forbid you I said I don't want to follow the Lord. I reject him. I don't believe in him and we renounced him out will now write a very serious condition. However, through our struggles through ups and downs through her fears through her doubts. He remains absolutely 100% faithful, never changing, making intercession for us. Remember, remember that it says in Romans the eighth chapter that the one who died for us is the one who's interceding for us, who can bring a charge against us. There is no charge that can be brought against us because he says it's paid for at the cross and I'm interceding for them so in the midst of this assurance of the Lord. Look at it like this you might be on a plane and you have a fear of flying, but that flight gets you there. Just the same. If you were peaceful in flight. If you were scared in flight.

That plane is still going to get you there. Just the same. It's just one flight you enjoy more than another. So your salvation does not depend on you having perfect faith 24 seven and in that sense you've put your trust in the Lord by getting on the plane now that cleansing to get you to the destination. Even if you have some fears along the way.

That being said for sure God wants to give you a certainty of faith unknow, so faith that removes doubts and it doesn't simply come through intellectual study by all address the rabbinic interpretations. In a moment, and it's a very fair question. Of course, have devoted years to that very question. But the New Testament writers, John and his gospel and then in first John says I've written these things that you can know that you have eternal life, and Paul in Romans eight. Galatians 4 talks about the witness of the Spirit and God putting the spirit of his son within our hearts, by which we cry all the father so I want to encourage you that you can go to God and say, God give me assurance and this is not based on your performance. It's based on what Jesus sure did. As our Savior as our Lord as our Messiah stay right there alone.

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Control stencil Luke when when I came to faith in 1971. Shortly after that my dad center-right need to talk to the local rabbi and I thought great nuggets to share with him about Jesus. I was so zealous to do it and I was 16 years old.

The little Hebrew I have learned in previous years are pretty well forgotten.

Here's a well educated rabbi was spent studying Hebrew all his life and we began to meet in early 1972 and he challenged me know how can you tell us what to believe.

You can even receiver very nice guy were work friends to this day, and I then met with numerous other rabbis over a period of a couple years, she'd send me to another rabbi, another rabbi, another rabbi we talked for hours and and interacting that really challenged me and II laid out everything before the Lord, because I was sure about my salvation.

I was sure that Jesus change my life that these rabbis were raising many powerful questions and I did have good answers for them because of lack of scholarship in my own life in the Christian scholars a look to weren't sensitive to the Jewish objections.

As is learned as they work so I I laid out everything before the Lord. Honestly, Luke and I said God if if I have to leave my friends in church and leave everything that's dear to me now to and walk away from Jesus to be loyalty was as you all do it. Conversely, if everything I believe is true. And I have to be rejected by the Jewish community to follow the real Messiah. I'll do it and God overwhelmingly reminded me through his word that Jesus was the Messiah, and to be candid.

Luke there are objections, rabbinic objections, but when you look at the objections look back to the text and look at the answers to the objections you realize the objections do not stop our faith. The did the objections do not overrule our faith. In fact the objections are just platforms on which we can further explain what we believe and I have a whole volume, volume 3 of answering Jewish objections to Jesus why layout the major rabbinic objections to the major messianic prophecies one by one, and several hundred pages of writing the 23, of answering Jewish objections to Jesus or you get the summary of those objections and answers on my real Messiah website. Real Messiah.com but the short answer is, there is a solid response to every rabbinic objection and when you go back to the text without the objections and just read it for what it says overwhelmingly points us to the cross dialogue rewriter� Outward.

I was just bummed out. Fear strikes the job.

Later all of the fear that it is your disbelieving by having spirit I charter I try to make sure that I'm grounded on a statement to the trust that you are a absolute third of all the facts are complete knowledge of the trust and you just get the link. It's a trust that's well grounded. You know it's it's it's just like when I when I get on a plane. I have trust that that everyone's done what they've done the mechanics to clear everything in the pilots that the pilots don't want to die that the people working on the plane that want to die and that they resource is not a blind trust you. I hope the season to get there. All the more we have a solid trust in Jesus, the others in Luke is if the fear of her hits. What's the fear based on the fears based on being wrong, but is not telling you I really want to do the right thing. In other words, if you didn't care. You never get hit with a fear if you could care less what God says if you could care less what's right and wrong. It doesn't matter. You're just gonna do what you do because it's convenient you get hit with that fear. When you have that fear that said are you sure you really sure in the best way to respond is God by just one fall. You it's referring God I just want to fall you whichever way the truth leads.

I just want to follow you. And with that he can give you a assurance and and peace in the midst of it as he's given to me and I'm blessed that the vines have been of help to you there written with that very mentality I'm going to follow the truth wherever it leads. I'm going to ask the difficult questions on the challenge my faith at every turn as I did that over a period of many years with each new challenge, rather than my face getting weaker and got stronger so be encouraged and remember your salvation does not depend on moment by moment. Perfect faith depends on the faithfulness of the Lord who died for you.

All right, thank you very much� Early Christian yet. Thank you for calling Luke and God bless you for your sincerity. May the Lord continue to ground you in his truth, and in his love right friends. I am going to continue explaining in the next hour why I'm not a traditional Jew it's something I plan to spread out over a couple of hours again if you like a summary of my main issues with the concept of an unbroken chain of tradition going back to Moses at Mount Sinai.

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Your roots are ultimately not in the tradition of the fathers but also the league and the Lord your Jewish tradition is beautiful, traditional Judaism help preserve our people for thousands of years and yet there's a reason many reasons that I'm not traditional Jew it's time for the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of the fire school of ministry get into the line of fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH. That's 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown. So what about the tradition. There are some parts of the church that are very traditional that emphasize we've learned this in previous generations, and we respect those generations and believe these traditions were inspired run Judaism there is no such thing as traditional Judaism without traditions.

There is no such thing as rabbinic Judaism without the rabbis should Jews today follow these traditions or do these traditions get in the way of the word of God this is Michael Brown is thoroughly Jewish Thursday 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH 87884 and if you have any Jewish related question Israel related question Heber related question Judaism related question Middle East related question will do our best to take your calls today, 866-348-7884 that is the number to call with your thoroughly Jewish Thursday questions I'm looking at a news and I am get to the street. The question of tradition in a little while I touch and at first the first album introduce the fresh from another angle in the second hour. This is Washington times Doug Ernst reporting on Monday. Iran threatens to raise our ACE Israel in less than eight minutes on coming.

These orders, Iran's supreme leader Ali, knee, and his surrogate started off the week by mocking the Obama administration and claiming the capability to raise Israel in less than 10 minutes.

Mr. company told state-controlled media Monday that US objections over Iran's continued missile tests in defiance of UN Security Council resolution 2031, was tantamount to crying whipping babies crying quote US is engaged in a lot of you and cry over Iran's missile capabilities, but they should know that this ballyhoo does not have any influence they cannot do a darn thing strange that he said she heart still exists. Great she hardly is not abiding by the enemy who we are fighting not abiding by enemy and economy, politics, culture, and the art is the great G hot. These are the ones that we we sign the nuclear deal with.

Listen, you know I'm I'm not a big fan of Donald Trump releases this one was deals is ever seen.

You better believe it is why Santa Cruz of the first day in office he tear the thing up. I mean, this agreement is an outrage and listen to Iran listen to her on off mod car import a senior advisor to the reigning Revolutionary guards Corps as outputs force mold how long the destruction of Israel, take quote of the supreme leader's orders are to be executed with the abilities and equipment at our disposal. We will raise the end of the Zionist regime in less than eight minutes. Diplomats told Reuters in March that Iran's missile test weave Western. They leave Western nations in the lurch as nuclear agreement signed with world powers in July included nonbinding language related to missile programs. Reuters reported several diplomats of the most Iran could expect would be a public rebuke by the Security Council talk about how not to make a deal.

Talk about what not to put into the hands of your enemies, and all Iran does is stand by and mark us hey we sign a deal like this with her on. We deserve to be mocked, gobbling the next administration fixes right now this is a mess that we help create an Israel has every reason to raise his voice in protest, this is Michael Brown right to file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown to join us on thoroughly Jewish Thursday online buyer while I wanted to get back to the question of Jewish tradition and why I myself am not a traditional Jew all this week we are having special guests on who were part of the tree of life version of the Bible project. Some of the scholars involved with some scholars involved with translation. Some involved with theological input so involved with just the larger vision. We had some great interviews with different leaders involved.

I was told by Dr. Jeff Seifer setting up the project that Baker books now in charge of distribution of the bottles and producing of the new new additions that the preorders were 55 zero 50 times higher than expected.

They had to go to with second printing before the first Prince was eagerly officially released the official celebration is to be in Jerusalem the beginning of this week where the Bible will be announced in that sense and thrilled to have with me Dr. David Ross born in New Zealand came to the states and 74. He has wife received a calling from the Lord.

To their surprise to to get involved in Bible translation they got trained to do that, they moved to Asia with air involved in the Scripture translation project, which eventually resulted in the translation of the New Testament will language their David served as the founding president of the graduate Institute of applied linguistics in Dallas Texas and translation consultant in Nigeria's wall and now part of the tree of life project of Dr. Ross welcomes the line of fire. Thanks much for joining us. Our first tell me about where you served in Asia is is that some you can talk about publicly where we reserve the minority language project there where there were most of the people he spoke the language work for Islamic people. Very interesting. So you had to learn that language and then the translation of the New Testament into that language you very interesting. What kind of principles did you learn for Bible translation.

I got my scholarship in near Eastern languages and literatures, and yet I understand there's a specific specific training you get especially take a language, maybe they don't even have their own written language. Now go from there for Bible translations was once a training entail a lot of the old and learning about the language in another culture forward. We start off with the sounds of language we start off with the picturing and learning how to write down the grammars of language before you ever get the dictionaries and then we recognize the language as part of culture so very often we have to study the culture as well. In order to figure out about the word for word translations. But what words mean and those culture. So, for example, in certain cultures if you said behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world that that concept might not translate immediately, absolutely because not every culture is familiar with Lamb or or sacrificial lambs write a particularly that's right where we were actually in an inland culture, where there were 500 Baltimore city. I didn't have a word for your boat or a fish while fascinating. Fascinating.

It's like the story about the guy preaching in Alaska and says that your sins be why the scholar washed them right. A scholar was the white as snow. The transit is what words you will use for snow we have 32 words for snow and then I think I say guy preaching the equator and same thing comes up for this, and what is snow we've never heard of snow so it's it's a lot more challenging than your average person would realize exactly where you try to repel translators. I need to be concerned about transferring the meaning of the original premier meaning of the host culture goddess and often we want to we want to translate is exacted. That's our honoring God's word that if it's unintelligible.

We haven't gotten the message across. The group took one of your great Bible to their word for word translation wouldn't understand English. Even exactly and what was happening with this people group. When you presented them with the New Testament in their language. Oh, it was a great time. The been very little things written in that language before hand and the idea that the language was being blessed with God's word was something quite potential. But what an amazing ministry. What an amazing job. So how did you then get connected with the tree of life version of the Bible. Well, it happened but some of the translate what are part of the faculty here.

The graduate in June of applied linguistics, and they were showing me the work that they been working on.

I would become very quite impressed with what with what they had done. Very interesting. I have a commentary coming out of the book of Job next year and once I completed writing the commentary the editor and I discussed that would be good if I if I did my own translation to add to the commentary and maybe you know too picky and and try to figure out every nuance everywhere that that that was that was a difficult experience even though I had worked through all of the challenges of of what I believe each word meant.

Each verse meant still to now translate sometimes the simple things really difficult is it you there so many different ways that you could say it so there's quite a science in this and then different opinions as to what's the best way to go about a translation or not, someone asked me earlier in the week about the tree of life version they said is it is it closer to say the new American Standard Bible, which is quote more literal risk closer say to the NIV or or even to the left of that the NLT which would be more dynamic and translation. Where would you place the TLV in your view. It probably want a little bit bolder: come about prayer and more dynamic translation but it's attempting to be very truth about the Christian translation old, and the Jewish translation tradition and for coming to speak to a particular audience, but that is not necessarily ordinary everyday English audience. Yes, the NNII analyze that the same ways as you did when you mention Jewish translation current principles. Christian translation principles. One of those differences in principle but will it has to do with the fact that many times when we translate into another culture we don't.

You mentioned and I sure I've been involved with in Africa as well but do not have a British or of Jewish heritage" when we come to talk about the meanings of terms. It's not like with speaking to an audience is familiar with things like priest and the high priests and Pharisees and Sadducees were thrown with translating it for the Jewish audience by familiar with those to and the company very different way of thinking about John and in your visa. What are the best selling points with the most the most positive things about the tree of life version that the positively impressed you will. I have to admit I do not have a Jewish background, but I've been very impressed by the stamps that the tree of life version is coming out about Jewish heritage and very attractive. For those of us who would like to understand more of that heritage.

As we learn more about the scriptural. I think sometimes we don't have that background with we can miss some of the nuances of what's in their own detriment. Yes and is as you read this as as a Christian and with the Gentile background does it seem obtrusive to you that Jewishness is being pushed on every page or does it more connect you to the realities of the first century, I find it connect me to the reality of her remark give you an example. This trooper through words in Luke that that used to talk about pictures of the Laurel experts in the Lord are two different Greek word, and quite often in their English translations, we discover what part of the difference between them quite but what without thinking about it too much and the tile but I noticed that the tree of life version but what I think is a great a great service. In one case the goals of the Edward: Torah scholars in another case they talk about Torah lawyer and that kinda helps me to understand the different than what's being talked about God it yet and you do have to this day.

Some who specialize in legal rulings and some who specialize just in the general scholarship and directly yet and eight.

There they overlap, but they are, they are definitely distinct categories of Dr. Ross. It's it's been a great blessing to have your involvement and obviously translation project is massive. I've been so thrilled to see the team that came together in and for Baker books to now say this is one of the Bibles that we can officially put out. That's a tremendous significance in in the history of Bible translation and and a great boon to the team so Dr. Ross, thanks for your involvement.

Thanks for your expertise and thanks for your heart to reach everyone with the good news of Jesus will thank you and keep up the good work. We appreciate what you're doing. Also will will thank you Sir, we are we are going forth right so friends, great to hear from Dr. David Ross and the expertise that he brings love. I love to have another show where I could discuss with them. All these issues of bringing the Bible. It's never been and people of different cultures they had no background and use a certain image.

It has no particular meaning to them. You know, for example, if you're going overseas to preach and use a man was difficult to get here cost me an arm and a leg to get here. People look at you are customer not unlike what many see have a pharmacy of the two are still exiting the Sedalia carefully as idioms preaching overseas yeah a lot of things to learn, get your copy of the tree of life version today how we come back. Her plan by the Expo line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown your voice and more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown thanks for joining us on Thursday 866-34-TRUTH number call any Jewish related questions. He related questions as related questions duties related questions in the Middle East related questions are best to give you solid answers from the word from accurate new sources, as the case would be 86634 we go to the phone. Starting in Clearwater, Florida Armando, welcome to the line of fire around big Michael you welcome what would wander the reviewer you don't get bit data, and regulatory that you don't love the Lord because the argument if you love me you could Michael Mann yes I would say obviously if you express your love for the Lord by observing the Sabbath and keeping the biblical calendar. God bless you, if that's that's how you can express your love for the Lord.

The Lord certainly doesn't reject that or scorn. That, of course, the simple answer is that Jesus did not command us in the New Testament to keep the seventh day Sabbath or the biblical calendar.

He said he came to fulfill what was written in the on the profit so we don't practice blood sacrifices anymore because he died for our sins into the blood sacrifices take up many many chapters in the Torah and even though they are commanded forever. We don't have an earthly high priest Hebrew Seven Sisters been a change in the law. We now have a new high priest who is not from the the line of Haran, but from the line of David and on the order of Mulkey Senecal was a priest king. So we have a new and better way and that's why throughout the New Testament you never find a commandment for all believers saying observe the Sabbath defined many of the teachings many other things commandment. First Corinthians 5 says let us therefore keep the Passover, but it seems to be talking about it in a metaphorical or spiritual sense is something always will be purged 11 of of of wickedness from our midst. Otherwise what Yeshua says is come to me and find rest, and if you read these commandments, his commandments, that we love one another is commandment so that we abide in the vine and things like that. His commandments, that we go and make disciples of all the nations. Those are his commandments assumes that if you have a red letter Bible read his red letter words those of his commandments that we we that we love and pray for our enemies and things like that but he never laid that especially on Gentile believers that if you don't observe the seventh day Sabbath you love them.

Rather, we find Sabbath reality by coming to him and finding rest in Colossians 2 reminds us that the seventh day Sabbath is the shadow the substance is found in Christ and the Messiah. Netzer emphasis needs to be about the goal of the Lord your actual orderly that the community of prayers that that one of their year they will word for you Cuvier got to openly configure prayer is that that's a terrible terrible teaching.

I'm also saying you shall, if it helps remind us of the Jewish roots of our faith and helps us connect with him as the Jewish Messiah but the New Testament itself is the complete opposite of that little I mean the New Testament was written either all in Greek, or almost all in Greek. So, for example, some of the earliest books of the New Testament may be Paul writing to the Thessalonians, he wrote in Greek and did eat the transcribe Yeshua we couldn't Greek doesn't even have the show sound right that that's why in English we say Saul not Shelton or we say Solomon not Shlomo because the SH in Hebrew passes through Greek and then ultimately into English and it passes in as an S to us so on.

The New Testament was written, Paul wrote he didn't write Yeshua. He wrote Jesus in Greek went when John wrote his gospel he didn't write Yeshua and in Hebrew. He wrote Jesus in Greek so that the we have over 5000 manuscripts. Armando of of of fragments of parts of the Greek New Testament or large portions of her complete copies of the Greek New Testament. We don't have any original copies of the Hebrew or Aramaic version if it if they existed, they existed for small parts may be for part of one book or one book or something like that. But the New Testament as we have. It was either all written in Hebrew, X is being Greek originally or almost all in Greek originally and that means that right from the start. The issue as you know it was not you have to pronounce this in Hebrew know the issue was know who he is, its that's the important thing. That's the essential thing and then some make it even worse. They say you have to use Joshua which never even existed that that would mean naming. You are our Moto and everyone has to come in our Moto. Though that's not your name, and the fact is in Spanish. Michael is Miguel in Marion. In Russian it's Mikhail and that's pretty close to what the hero is Mickael so Greek IL Michael in English, this is Michael and that's perfectly fine. And here's the other thing, as I said there there are different languages like Greek that don't even have the Shah sound and to say after pronounce it a certain way. It's like telling a German unless you can say the thought. Thank you that God will not hear you. Well, it's hard for Jeremy to say, thought this like it's very hard for me to pronounce some of the Arabic letters the idea that God would require you to pronounce an ancient name the way it was originally spoken otherwise. Goblin here that is complete nonsense and the billions of prayers that God has answered in the name of Jesus or Jason to an Italian Jesus and that is God himself, shouting to the world. It's who he is not how you pronounce his name that's first and foremost, thank you.

We are asking are very welcome. All right, it thank you Armando for the call. Is that a shame that some people actually believe this, and since your brother like this even has to deal with those types of things.

It's one thing to say. Where does the New Testament tell us were supposed observe the Sunday Sabbath fine fine question. It doesn't. Where does it say that the Sabbath was changed when Sabbath day to day thing. It doesn't witness and say that Gentile believers are required to observe the seventh day Sabbath. It doesn't say that either. So over the centuries is a problem that is, the church grew and developed that it based itself on a Sunday celebration of celebrating that the new beginning. The resurrection of Jesus.

There's no problem if it said this is now the new Sabbath and does replace the original Sabbath that would've been a problem, or the Jews should not observe the seventh day Sabbath that's passing that would've been a problem with. That's an end to the extent that they have and it is a problem, but to say that if you don't observe the seventh day Sabbath you don't love God, man, that's error in its dangers. And worse still, if you don't say the name Yeshua the goblin here you when you pray, talk about finding dead tradition.

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Explain why I myself am not a traditional Jew. If our traditional Jew I would be following the traditions of the rabbis which supplement the teachings and laws of the Bible which give further interpretation to those laws and which create new laws, the traditions new prayers. If I was a traditional Jew I be rising at a certain time in the morning and saying certain words when I rose up in prayer within the following various rituals.

Even the web, wash my hands in the morning. The diet I would eat well is nothing eight now that would be quote nonkosher but things would have to be rabbinic. We approved if I was eating meats and other things like that of and for example every day I be praying, at certain times of the day I be praying certain time in the morning and then in the late afternoon and then in the evening I would I would be in the synagogue certain days of the week. I would be engaging in the Torah readings at certain times of the week as the traditional Jewish community does. I would observe the Sabbath as traditional Jews taught so for example, note driving a car on the Sabbath, underwriting on the Sabbath, things like that. I would have the guard of the traditional Jew, I would be willing to keep the yarmulke the small head covering, I'd be wearing with Skoda to leak a toddler or a that a prayer shawl, but it's an undergarment that would then have the fringes the ritual fringes that within hang out from the sides of your pants to remind you to keep the commandments and various other things. As a traditional Jew why am I not traditional Jew notice traditions go back to Moses know they don't. There are some things that have been observed by the Jewish community for centuries that were unknown to Moses, or is it for example the idea that the religious Jew would would wear a key part particular head cover that was not even practiced in Jesus day, it wasn't.

There were parts of of the Jewish world were thousand years ago. It wasn't practiced. Word you would wear that particular type of head cover various other things. The fact that the fringes are white rather than this to him at this this deep blue color, purplish blue. It was the rabbis. It said that that color can only come from particular snail and that snail was now. They couldn't find any more is extensive. The confinement and therefore they can have that exact ICF white instead we would have the fringes the way they aren't supposed as being part of the physical garments when they were in biblical days and since bad things this initially traditions the idea that certain prayers would have to pray for example the idea than on the Sabbath you you think God, who commanded you to to kindle the Sabbath lights.

That's not commanded in the Bible God of the command that that's a later commandment of the rabbis, the idea that we pray certain prayers are to be prayed. None of that's in the Bible.

I'm not saying these things are sinful or wrong.

Many of the traditions are beautiful and God's views.

Many of these traditions to preserve the Jewish people. However, because they are not binding because they do not go back in an unbroken chain to Moses because they do not have divine authority behind them, and because in some cases they violate the spirit of the law or get in the way with life in the spirit. For those reasons I don't keep them if I was called to reach ultra-Orthodox Jews, then this would have to become a lifestyle. If I was called to live among them there be no possible way I could reach them unless I was able to embrace these and say okay even though I don't believe God is commanding me to keep these unfree to and I respect these traditions and therefore will will keep them otherwise I would be completely alien to the culture that we do reach ultra-Orthodox Jews. But that's through the through the written word through testimony and through things like that to live in their community would have to live among them.

Otherwise, you'd be totally totally shot you have to live as a traditional Jew, so unless I was called to do that. I wouldn't keep these because again they don't go back to Moses on Mount Sinai.

They are not eternally binding and they are not part of the new and better covenant of the Messiah is brought about see where they come from. They were developed over the centuries by sincere Jewish religious leaders as ways to express their faith as ways to help those that did know how to pray or what to say to have a unified voice going up to God to be a priestly people just like you have the Psalms in the Bible.

They were recited traditions of these are liturgies that developed and in the question we come out will how do we observe this today.

We can now drive can you drive on the Sabbath about the have a fly about this and that as technology changes how you apply the loss of these traditions are living and growing in that respect. And then those that are considered to be firmly planted binding.

The question is how do you live them out in each generation.

But remember that sometimes tradition can get in the way of the word of God and when the traditions overrule Scripture. I don't care how ancient they are. I go with Scripture, and it seems that that most of the traditions we know today come from the Pharisees who were very religious, committed Jews who sought to live in a state of ritual purity like the priest waited and elevate all Jews.

To limit this high status wherever they were in these traditions may have had their origins couple hundred years maybe hundred 60 or so years before the time of Jesus and then as they developed over the centuries there now known of the New Testament is the traditions of the fathers. The traditions of the fathers and that's how you sure refers to and that some New Testament references them that the father said this of the elders said this, the traditions of the elders of the traditions of the fathers, but sometimes he said that your traditions get in the way of the word of God, in which case he would say this is the spiritual purpose of this commandment.

This is why God gave it the Sabbath was given for man, not man for the Sabbath and your traditions are taking away the spirit and intent of it.

If you come to me will find rest to to get more that go to my website.

Real Messiah.com real Messiah.com and just click on traditional objections in the objection section.

Click on traditional you understand why I take issue with this idea that these traditions are binding or go all the way back to Moses more fully.

Volume 5 a by series answering Jewish objections to Jesus wasting things these things out in more depth all right with that. We go to the phones, 866-34-TRUTH. Let's start High Point, North Carolina, Orlando, welcome to the line of fire gripped the room. The current good afternoon Yama quickly deals with caramel the start and end time of the faith Luke 1944 about. I'm a bit a relatively common in think it without coming into Jerusalem and they would. They were told not a anodyne that the be quiet and and they did not earn that time when you came to earth by all that stuff happen right yes exactly as he weeps over that he weeps over Jerusalem is as if only you had known and and because our forefathers is a nation listed. Of course, thousands of Jewish people to follow him as the Messiah, but as a nation are leadership missed it.

As a result of which, yes, a terrible suffering terrible devastation the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of our people absolutely develop equipment that the people that were in charge of camp.

They did not earn it with the mailings in charge of the temple. Those with the Sadducees with the Jewish leadership in general, Pharisees, Sadducees, they did not recognize that this was the time of the Messiah is coming in so or are they did not recognize that the Messiah would come. In this way, and so when he came they rejected him, but they have no now we at this time we got the okay and you now would now only we see the shadowy outline of writing we had a week this week of the Stern, visitation for the second time everybody that no were not. If you don't, the date analysis is right. Here's the here's the difference with Paul writes in first Thessalonians 5 is that is going to come as a thief for the unbeliever that we who are believers, that we who are believing us right that that we now know, here's the deal.

It doesn't say were going to know the day or the hour. Orlando that we should have a sense when his return is drawing near, the fact is that we've got a come with humility because those who have the Scriptures missed it the first time around the leadership missed it. So that means that that all the speculation is coming any day is coming five years. 10 years of date setting that's dangerous and instead if we are really walking with an open heart before the Lord or Linda if were really walking humility before him with the word as our guide. I believe as we get close to that time that there will be a massive recognition among believers and leaders in the body that it will just be this little group speculated or that little bit speculating that will recognize. Okay, it looks like there's peace and safety in the world, but this is the time of sudden destruction and the return of the Lord. Let's learn these things with humility because of the errors of those in the past and the many errors in church history as well. Important question and I appreciate art recovery coming up will take your other questions. On the other side of the break here on thoroughly Jewish Thursday on the lifeline. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown voice important cultural and spiritual revolution there again is Dr. Michael Brown and looking back to 38 Spokane, Washington Brett walking to the line of fire.

Dark brown Avion and I can't tell you how much are going here. God planned next year but I'm able to work hate. Hopefully there be other tours in the future. Or maybe the Lord will surprise you make a way where there seems to be no way but doubling one of these days but but thank you. No doubt my question has to do it.

You know, not competent and the whole debate you all got our team like me and THAT there is still the tension between the two combat and enter it in the New Testament and in their Jewish argument on both by what it was where the argument they have imported where the theologian all this sure thing. First thing to understand is that generally speaking, there is not the same emphasis on theology in Judaism as there is in Christianity, the greater emphasis is on the observance of the law and understanding of the varied levels of discussion about the law and interpretation of the law.

So there's more commentary on that. Then there is just theological speculation, see you have theology in Judaism, but the emphasis is much heavier in Christianity. That being said, there is a recognition of tension, but not because everything is is foreordained the Calvinist view would be foreign to Judaism. You may have it.

Among the Jews of the Dead Sea Scrolls that there is more of of the determinism that's found there, or predestination that's found there, but the one dictum that occurs in the interest document called pre-k a vote which is maybe written in the third century of this era part of us called the Mishnah's little Hebrew phrase. This is how colts are fully everything is foreknown for how to shoot neutral but free will is given. So inputs for knowledge and free will side-by-side puts them attention, but says that's the way things operate and ultimately although every Jew would recognize religious truth that that he's dependent on God's mercy and grace. Jews would believe that every human being has the answer, hurrah the evil inclination the yes or how told the good inclination, and these two are in tension and that every Jew has to work for his good desire is good inclination to overcome his evil or bad inclination as opposed to total depravity that human being is a hopeless slave to sin that needs to be saved from sin by a Savior, it would say that God has given us the power of repentance. So yes, we need his mercy. We need to ask for his forgiveness but traditional Jews would point to Genesis 4 were Canas told sin is lurking at the door and it but you must overcome it right that would be more of that. The Jewish view of you now out by Segway you come under our study got all about the concept of monitor and where that followed and that I'm often debate yes that that would not be specifically Jewish question is come if you come in philosophically about the idea of middle knowledge.

This is come up in some debates with with my Calvinist friends that people would raise that I don't tend to analyze things philosophically as much sex a genetically you can do both, but I am more of a biblical exegete by far than I am a philosopher so I don't come at this with the philosophical question of how could God know things in advance without pre-determining them. For example, if I announce to you that in the basketball game tonight. Golden State versus Oklahoma City. The Golden State wins 109 to 98 will now it's predetermined if I if I have announce that based on factual information. It can't be changed, so if you miss it, but you watch a video replay of it can't be changed. It is what it is. If that's the way world history is that it's fixed before we get there. Then we really don't have free will and choices.

But if God simply for nose because Isaiah 5715.

He inhabits eternity and therefore he knows the beginning from the end he knows the results of that game based on the choices of the players so therefore there can be foreknowledge with free will, at the same time. The question is how free our wills are your that's a whole other question right, but I I've never gotten into the moment is an argument heavily, not in some worthy, but simply idea of middle knowledge of the things that's more philosophical and it may be overly simplistic with the way I look at if God inhabits eternity knows the infant beginning he can know that, based on choices that we make, as opposed to it all.

Being predetermined and foreordained hey Brett.

Got a run, but thank you sir for the call. Much appreciated when on that subject to far we get too far afield from thoroughly Jewish Thursday but thank you for the very Jewish question 866-34-TRUTH we go to Addison, Texas Carl, welcome to the line of fire your regular brown earth restrict my call. You bet on MacArthur now making regular canker ugly warrior, your dear mother took her new church about visiting, Joyner went to paint their killer of the Alameda sweet spirit in the church are two things, merit little different. I think there is one asserted where you believe that it cannot be can do. Not very that there may be a logo appointment. Jewish format abatement department apartment beard. He felt like I get your partners in accordance with replacement theology where felt like the churches now like God's chosen people are given away from the traditional belief in Israel are student liquids which is working but I still believe in the many do my best to answer just because I got a minute and 1/2 before were done in my book. 60 questions Christians ask about Jewish beliefs and practices. 60 questions Christians ask about Jewish beliefs and practices I address this issue.

Has the church replaced Israel and God's plan of salvation.

If these brothers and sisters believe that God still has promises for national Israel if they believe that God has restored the Jewish people to the land and that ultimately he has plans for the Jewish people as a nation as a people, then they are not guilty of replacement theology. They may use terminology that you like or don't like. But remember that many of the promises that comes Israel also come spiritually to the church as a whole. The church as a whole is not promised.

For example, of life in the promised land or that that's your one slice of the earth and and obviously the words World War II building professing Christians. I can fit in there anyway. There promises that were given specifically to Israel replacement theology says all the promises that were given to Israel. Now apply to the church. They have been transferred. The church has replaced Israel and God's plan of salvation they hold to that that really will rub you the wrong way, rightly so, you might have to ask leaders exactly where they stand on it. I got a run, but thank you for the call. Be sure the website check out this week special resource offer and my bottom line. Today Jewish scriptures Jewish roots Messiah makes perfect