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July 27, 2024 3:00 pm

Robby talks with Beverly Moser and TC Epperson about project Epic Love Story

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How does God take your passion and use it to build the kingdom? We have back in the studio with us Beverly Moser, who's with Epic Love Story. And Beverly, for those people who have never heard of Epic Love Story, can you give them a sort of a snapshot?

Yes, I can. Thank you, Robbie. Thank you for having us on, or me on today. Yes, Epic Love Story is setting the Bible to music, and we're going to do it with creatives from around the world who bring not only their talents, but also some of their cultural sounds to the music. And this is what we're about, because we believe that music moves souls, and we believe that that gets into people's minds and hearts. And so cool, because, you know, the idea of music touching people's hearts, and with each verse of the Bible being put to music, the idea of Scripture memorization through music is an avenue that really is being explored through this unbelievable project. And the first phase of that project, right, is you want to get a song for every book of the Bible, and you're hoping to have that done by the end of 2025. Wow. And so by the end of 2025, a song for every book, and actually, interestingly, you're going to hear in the Bumps, or at least in the first Bump today, we have a new one out of the book of Proverbs. We did, released yesterday. Yeah, so you get to hear that, and then you have a guest with you today.

I do. Her name is TC Epperson. TC and I have been friends for over 30 years. She thinks deeply, and one day she was visiting with me, and I asked her, TC, what does the Bible mean to you? And her answers were just so great. And also, they were really reflective of what we want to do with Epic Love Story, but she just said it much more eloquently. So I asked her if she would join me today. How fun. So welcome, TC. And I understand there is a relationship between you and Stu, and your husband and Stu, certainly.

Yes. I married into the Epperson clan. So that's my relationship. My husband is Stu Jr.'s cousin, and Bev and I have known each other for a really long time, and I come to this project, you know, I have a background in poetry. I have an MDiv from Fuller, and so I have reason to think about words. And then my husband is in music ministry, so I have a reason to think about music. And Bev just asked me one day, what does the Bible mean to you? So that's kind of where we got started.

That's so cool. So you know we're gonna have, and I don't know, TC, if you've ever heard my show, but you know, somewhere we always gotta get to our shenanigans. So speaking of story, right? Yes, of course. Since it's Epic Love Story, right? It's time to play shenanigans. So speaking of story, and I want you to think deeply about this one, Nick. All right. Let's see if you can do, you know, you've been on a roll lately, so I'm expecting great things out of you. And this first one's pretty easy. So if you're reading a horror story in Braille, right, can you imagine reading a horror story in Braille, how do you know someone is going to die?

You got any ideas, TC? How do you know if someone's gonna die? It's the same as if you're reading it with your eyes.

No, no, no, no, it's not, because you can feel it. Oh, of course. So I like this one. Here you go, Nick. A caveman and a bear walk into a church. The pastor says, what's your story? What would the caveman say? You got this one, Bev. No, I don't. So the caveman and the bear walk into church.

What's your story? What might the caveman say, TC? Pretty close, pretty close, because cavemen are meant a few words, so he would just say, bear with me. Of course. We're two for two on Nick today. All right, here's, I'm pretty sure you could get this one now. I have great hope for number three on the hit parade. What was Quasimodo's backstory?

What was Quasimodo's backstory? You got any ideas on that one? Come on, Nick, you can do it. Oh, this might be my unlucky day today.

I'm not sure. All right. TC, this is your last. I'm going with Humpty Dumpty. Oh, that's good. I like that. It's pretty close. That is a good one. But actually, it was the flaws of medieval chiropractic. Ah, yes. Or Humpty Dumpty works.

It's all good. So at the end of those shenanigans, you knew we actually would have a riddle today for you to call in and win. And I'm excited to hear your answers to this. So when you think of the storyline of Noah, how would a story leader analyze the storyline of Noah? What would they say about the story of Noah?

A story analyzer. You call us with your answer at 866-348-7884. And if you can guess that one, Nick, tell them what they'll win.

Absolutely. Yes, you'll be winning a prize from our Kingdom Pursuits prize vault. If you know the answer to Robbie's riddle, just give us a call at 866-348-7884. That's 866-34-TRUTH. All right. And let me clarify that there has never been in the history of Kingdom Pursuits a wrong answer. We have managed to have, in nearly 18 years of broadcasting, 52 shows a year, no wrong answers. And so, you know, just feel free to call us at 866-348-7884. We will make a way that you will be right.

But this is actually quite easy. Thinking of the storyline of Noah, you know how storylines go, then how would you analyze that if you were a story writer? And don't overthink this. 866-348-7884.

866-34-TRUTH. And so getting back to epic love story. So from what I understand, TC, you were given this challenge to write this paragraph. And so by all means, share it. Okay, so just thinking about the fact that the Bible plays multiple roles in our lives. And I grew up in a tradition that focused on it in sort of small pieces. And then I transitioned into a tradition that was emphasizing the large narrative.

And that gave me the eyes to sort of see it in both ways. And there's this value in the mystical devotion, sort of devotional connection to small chunks, right? Where we're memorizing, we're meditating on it. And that's really valuable. That works in our hearts over time to build something. But then there's also this other role that it can play where it becomes the environment that we live in. And the distinction of this environment is that it's God-centric. And it's in contrast to the environment that the world offers us, which is either self-centric or idols, right?

Chasing after idols. And so that bigger context is what the Bible offers through the narrative of a God who made us, who covenants with us, who fulfills his covenant in Christ, life, death and resurrection, hope of glory. That kind of long narrative.

So the Bible is a habitation for me, but it's also this food that I can eat day by day by day by day for sustenance. Right. And the music is, interestingly, both, you know, I don't know, however you want to put it, genres, whatever you want to say, both categories, because the category of there's words that can be analyzed, but there's also a melody that somehow or another transcends that, right? Oh, absolutely.

You have the individual notes, right, that have a value, and then you have putting the notes together. You're going to hear the next episode, right, in Proverbs 19. When we come back, you get to hear that. So stay tuned. A lot more Kingdom Pursuits coming up, and we need your calls. We need you to be prepared.

You will be because of your faithfulness. That prevails, oh Many are the plans of a man's heart Many are the plans Many are the plans of a man's heart But it is the Lord's purpose That prevails, that prevails But it is the Lord's purpose That prevails, oh But it is the Lord's purpose That prevails, that prevails But it is the Lord's purpose That prevails, oh But it is the Lord's purpose There you go, that is Proverbs 19, many are the plans for a man's heart, but I think you got it. It's the Lord's purpose. And if you missed that and that particular lyric, I don't know what to say, but it kind of just a perfect illustration really of what we're just talking about that that music kind of drives it home and although you can go deep is where you want to go, but you can also go out to 10,000 feet and go, oh yeah, there is a presidential election going on, but whatever may happen, essentially we know who wins. So I love it. I love it. I love it.

So you can go to epiclovestory.org and they're putting the entire Bible verse by verse, but they're getting one verse out of every book here by 2025 and again, when you go to epiclovestory.org, there you can find these songs including the one you just heard. And so we got T.C. Epperson and Beverly with us, but we also have a Riddler. We have Corey is in Ohio and he knows the answer to my riddle. So thinking of Noah's life, Corey, how would a story writer analyze it? I mean you said don't overthink it to be simple.

It is. You'll drown without the boat. I mean and if you do a direct parallel, the boat is going to be Jesus Christ, Noah is going to be the preacher because faith came up by hearing and hearing by the word of God and now we're going to hear without a preacher. So you're going to drown without the boat, but with the direct correlation with – You know, it's so beautiful, Noah, that you completely illustrated in what we're talking about, Corey, this idea of you can go deep into these words, right, like real deep you can drown. Or simply you know that obviously Noah's life and his family's life was saved because they had a boat. I mean there you go, it's pretty cool. And so absolutely you are correct and we're going to send you out your choice of stuff from the prize vault, but I want to share some other ideas with you real quick, real easy. That number one, the other thing, a story writer, they're always concerned about the character arc and you've got to admit that Noah's arc is pretty spectacular. It was a little big.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the other thing I have always found more than amazing and I come back to this time and time again, Noah's name means comfort in Hebrew. So in Hebrew when you put a nun and a head together you get the word comfort and so when it says comfort ye, comfort ye my people essentially that's what Noah was to do and interestingly his group of people he did comfort. But you know Noah spelled backwards is a het and a nun and that's the word grace and so Noah was the first person to find grace in the Lord's eyes in the Bible that you see anyway and it says that Noah found grace in God's eyes. And when you think about it several things, number one, how would he find it if he wasn't looking for it and number two, Noah clearly, if you think about the idea of grace it has to do with favor, right? And clearly when you look at all the people in the world at that point in time, Noah was God's favorite. It just got narrowed down pretty soon to Noah and his family and so the first idea of that is both comfort and grace all in the same picture, all there for you whether you want to rise up and look at it at 20,000 feet or if you want to dig deep and go as deep as you want to go.

It says Jesus all over it, doesn't it? Amen. Yes sir.

Everything about that book. Thank you Corey. I appreciate you calling so much and for you, listen, where in Ohio are you? Fostoria, Ohio. There you go.

Say that one more time? Yes sir. Fostoria, Ohio. How do you spell Fostoria? F-O-S-T-O-R-I-A. Well there you go.

A little country town. Good for you. Well thank you for listening in Fostoria. We appreciate it greatly. Yes sir. Amen.

Amen. God bless you my friend. Keep going with what you're doing brother. You too. Have a great afternoon. You too. Have fun. So TC, as you're listening to all that, your thoughts?

Absolutely. Christ is the center of the story and he is the center of the Noah story and he is the center of the bigger story and that's exactly what the Bible is doing. It's calling us to keep Christ as the center of the story and our story as well. And just thinking about Epic Love Story and what they're trying to do, they're taking that story and then they're connecting it to the church tradition that we're a singing people. We've always been a singing people. I mean we have songs in our holy book. And making that connection between a Christ-centered story and the fact that we're a singing people and that goes back even further to the fact that we belong to a God who sings. And Zephaniah 3.17 talks about God singing over us.

And in Hebrews it talks about Jesus singing in the congregation. So I just think this is the great project that that's on. Yeah and since he was the son of David, you know, he's pretty much a singer. Yep, absolutely.

Yep. And singer of songs and, you know, I don't know if you've ever heard this story but it's really cool that, you know, in the 119 Psalm it says, I rise at midnight to establish praise because of your righteous judgments. And the idea of David rising at midnight was that he had a very unique harp, a very, with these special strings and he hung it in the window and those days the windows were open because, you know, that's why they stayed cool at night, right? And the wind changes, not at midnight like 12, they didn't have clocks or anything, but the wind changes at midnight exactly at the changing of, at the time when the sun started on its way back rather than on its way away, right? And at that moment that the wind would change, it would come through the strings of his harp and it would awaken him and he would get up and begin to sing. And as he would sing to bring the blessings of the morning over the people, it created this culture in Jerusalem at the time, according to Jewish history, that, well, wow, if the king can get up at midnight, I can at least get up at two or whatever.

And they became, according to, again, Jewish history book, their Midrash, et cetera, that idea of rising at midnight that's mentioned in the 119 Psalm, really, you know, what he did in his singing changed the culture. Wow. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Isn't that neat? And so what, you know, and again, what you're doing, Beverly, from my perspective, you know, to – and this new song is everything you were talking about. It has that hip-hop, it's reggae, right?

Or what – It's called Electronic Dance Music, that particular one is electronic – EDM. Okay, it shows what I know. That's all right.

That's good. Electronic Dance – you knew that, too, didn't you, Nick? Nick knew that. I knew it.

So you would have won that one. But anyway, yeah, but it had a great beat, and you know what, I love it. That one just sent home the verse, like, you cannot miss it. Like, man, and, you know, just today I have all these plans, but I'm pretty sure – It's the Lord's purpose that will prevail, yes. Right, but by putting it, you know, to this beautiful music that will stay in your heart, because originally what you talked about is how frozen – the music from Frozen, right? You hear it once, and it just goes over and over, and you can't get it out of your head.

Right? Well, that music has that. And we've mentioned this before, that is our goal. So not only is it to set the Bible to music, which you can do linearly, you know, you could just write it linearly, or you can write it in a way that's memorable, and our commitment is to write it in a way that's memorable, so that it gets into your heart and soul. And the other thing I do want to say, for people who haven't been following us, you know, our commitment is that the Bible be set to contemporary music, and this EDM is one. Like, if you think of music, contemporary music, that's the umbrella, and underneath that, there are nine, ten different types of genres, and this EDM is one of them. And so we want it so that people, when they're listening, it'll be reflective of what people want to listen to.

It won't be just one genre. And so – because people are individuals, and they're different – So am I right? You've got four out now? This is the third one.

The fourth one will be out in a month, and then the fifth one will probably follow a month later. All right. So epic love story at epiclovestory.org. There you can find the music, but also you can be praying for, and if God puts it on your heart, to donate, because it's going to take some resources to get this going. What an amazing project. We've got so much more coming back. Stay tuned.

Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom, and how fun today we have Beverly Moser and TC Epperson with epic love story, right? Every verse in the Bible eventually put to music, but here by 2025, one from every single chapter in the Bible. Not chapter, but book, just to clarify. One from every book. Good point. Every book. That would be 66.

Not every chapter. Right? So 2025, but eventually every single verse in every, you know, and the goal for that is... Seven years.

Seven years, and we're going to have it all again. You know, the idea is that we know that it's going to transform minds and hearts as people hear this music and it gets in there. You know, it makes a huge difference. It does.

It does. And TC has a book. Maybe she can comment on it. TC, I don't remember the exact name, but something about how the Bible has changed civilizations. Do you want to share a story, too, about that?

Yeah, sure. So I read this book a couple of years ago, and it just showed me again how the Bible is a context beyond just the spiritual context. It's by Vishal Mangalwadi, and it's called The Book That Made Your World, How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization. So this author is writing as someone who has entered Western civilization and looking at how the Bible laid the groundwork, essentially, for literacy and many other things. For art, for our philosophical thought through theology, et cetera. So it opened my eyes to the fact that beyond just the claims that Christians make for the Bible, the Bible has been this gift that God gave all of Western civilization to bring us to where we are. I mean, today in America, most kids are literate, and you can blame the Bible for that. Right. Can you even imagine, right? In other words, in order to read the Scriptures, you've got to be able to read.

Yes, yes. And we have so many cases from the 1800s where missionaries were going into tribal groups. This is still happening through Wycliffe Bible Translators and others. Going into tribal groups and taking an oral language that has no written language at all and building a written construction for that language for the primary purpose of introducing them to Scripture. But it has these subsidiary results that are the people learn to read. And when you learn to read, it lays the groundwork for building contracts. It lays the groundwork for advancing vocabulary. It lays the groundwork for philosophical thought that extends beyond the constraints of an oral tradition. So it does a lot of stuff. Yeah, isn't that awesome? And music does that same thing in its own way, right, Beverly?

Yes. Well, that's what the statistics say, and that's what many who've researched. You've probably heard this, and others may too, that music sticks in different parts of our brain. And that's the reason why when you go into an Alzheimer's unit, people often may not be able to carry a conversation, but you start to sing songs that they knew, and they can sing them again. And that many people have stories of that, and that's the power of music.

That's what we want to do. Right. But music is its own language, and it also is written in some interesting ways. And so as you studied that, TC, I'm interested in your correlation. No, I think this is a fascinating aspect of it, because you're right, it is also a language, right?

It's the language of notes. But scientists have found that it lights up your entire brain when you interface with music. So it's doing something to our whole body, it's synchronizing our whole emotional structure, and it's doing a lot of work. And if we bring that alongside these words of God, essentially, that he has given us, we're making something really powerful. And just thinking about what Bev said there, I can imagine a day when you go into an Alzheimer's unit and you're able to sing scripture, and they remember that. Even if they've lost their mother, you know, even if they don't remember their parents and their children, they could remember potentially the words of God because they've been introduced to it through music.

So yeah, really powerful stuff. Yeah, and I love the idea that it touches your heart. You know, I interviewed the Long Brothers with King & Country here a few weeks ago when they were doing their movie, Unsung Hero, it's a movie they just did. And as I was talking to them, I was talking about how I use music myself in order to prepare for my other show, the Christian Car Guy show, I have to create the intro before I can even figure out what it is I'm going to say. The music is key to that whole thing, and I know that the music isn't right until I cry.

No. And I was talking to them about that, and they said, yeah, that I always say my eyes – I forget what they said, their eyes were watering, how they said it happened, but their quote after that I'll never forget, because they said, when your art touches your heart, then it can be shared. And there it is, as that music was somebody's heart, and it touched their heart, and now it can be shared. Well, clearly the Scripture touches your heart, and so you've got a double whammy, right? It was the tears in Pilgrim's Progress, right? When Christian got the burden lifted up, always the tears flow, right? How many stories do you hear of people coming to Christ, what happened, they pulled over, they had to cry, cry, cry.

Well, how many times have you heard a song, and you pulled over and you had to cry, cry, cry, cry? And you can see – and the reason that we have such an opportunity for such a time as this, this is our Esther moment, guys, to go to EpicLoveStory.com, right? .org. .org. EpicLoveStory.org, and there, if God's put it on your heart to donate for such a time as this, or to pray for this project, because you can see that, man, I mean, this is the same kind of thing as David waking up at midnight and playing the music, that here is this resource of the entire Bible, every single – that was structurally put together with music that was in a contemporary type of thing that would stick in people's heart. Yeah.

Yeah, thank you, Robbie, that's a beautiful picture. Thank you. And I think that it's amazing, amazing stuff. And so how about your own story, TC? So can you take us into that a little bit? I'm very curious. My own story as I interface with the Bible is probably a little deeper than my story as I interface with music, because I'm a more analytical person. But I grew up as a missionary kid in Hong Kong, and came to the States when I was 18, and I got married young, had kids, and my husband joined the Air Force, so we're now in Florida, but this is the longest I've ever lived in one place in my whole life.

I've been here seven years, so that kind of lays that. But I was introduced to Christ very early, and as a three-year-old, I remember it was a very clear distinction. Do I want to be on the side of the good guys or the bad guys? Do I want to be with Satan or do I want to be with Jesus? And of course, as I've grown, God has made that perception a little more subtle, but I think there is an aspect of that in the narrative story of the Bible.

Do we want to be on the side of good, or do we want to buy into the lie? And that's kind of the picture that it gives us. Now music, I was introduced to primarily through my husband, who is very, very musical, and I realized that what is happening with Epic Love Story that really has a lot of potential, is that the people like me, who are more analytical, who are not operating in the musical sphere as much, are joined in community with the people that are entering from the other side. I've watched my husband's spiritual growth develop through his engagement with the Word of God in music. That's not how God did it in me, that's how he did it in him. And I got to watch that happen and say, wow, okay, the goal is that we all are bending the knee before Christ. And some of us come through one door and some through the other, but bringing them together, that's awesome.

It is, it is. Well, how fun. Well, we'll be back in a few minutes here, a few commercials, and we will be, well, actually, some of them are public service announcements, very important stuff from other ministries, so pay attention to those, but we'll be back with a whole lot more EpicLoveStory.org. Every verse in the Bible put to music in seven years. How exciting. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. How fun. The passion for the Bible, a passion for music.

Put them together. EpicLoveStory, every verse in the Bible put to music within seven years in every chapter. In seven years. In seven years. But every book in the Bible, they're going to get one of those done by 2025. And so we've got, all right, we've got Exodus and we have Habakkuk and we have Proverbs at this point in time. So we're down to 63.

With Galatians and Revelation in the pipeline. All right. So no particular order to the way you're doing that, I can't possibly put together in my mind. Let me analyze this. But also we have with us her good friend TC Epperson, who yes, is in a way through marriage related to Stu, but interestingly, so I was, you told me that you were born in Hong Kong. That was fascinating. You told me that your parents were missionaries and you also told me that you developed this real passion for the Bible. I'm very, very curious about that. How did you, how did that happen?

Like, um, well, I wasn't born in Hong Kong. Um, we moved there when I was five and a half, but, um, I was in, I was in that missional environment for starters. So the Bible was part of our family.

It was, you know, read regularly. I heard it at church. We were at church all the time, that kind of environment. But I also am a reader, so I was reading widely and I remember in high school, uh, sitting down and reading the new Testament for myself for the first time, uh, maybe I was in middle school, but, uh, and, and thinking these, these words are different than the words that I have already been exposed to. I've read novels, I've read Shakespeare, I've read all kinds of stuff, you know, but this, this is God speaking to me and it just tore me apart.

I mean, it really was a breakthrough moment for me and I, and I, and I said, okay, God is doing something special here. And then, uh, as I continued to grow, I was exposed to preaching of the gospel that helped me to begin to put together the whole arc of the anthology because the Bible is an anthology of books, right? It's not just one book, um, and to understand how they fit together, that the prophecies happen at certain times in the history and, and, and they were pointing toward Christ and put on my Jesus glasses. You know, I've taken a Christocentric way of thinking about the Bible. What, what is Isaiah talking about? He's talking about Jesus. How, how are the prophets talking about Jesus?

Because Jesus is what God is excited about, um, so we can use that. And I grew into that through, through attending churches where the gospel was preached, um, I think that makes a big difference. And um, and I would also say too, for my Catholic friends, we've encountered so many, uh, Catholic folks who have just been assisted by recognizing, um, by being told a quick outline of the Bible, you know, don't just start at Genesis and try to get through to Revelation. Uh, it's an anthology.

So music. Before you jump too far in that one, that was the way I came to Christ. Um, I picked up the book, the Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peale and he said, well, if you want to have positive thinking, I want to sell more cars. I wasn't really looking for to find Jesus. And I just started reading beginning at Genesis and went to Revelation and um, and through that process without really a whole lot of discipleship on either side of that, I eventually got to discipleship and eventually moved to Winston-Salem at Stu and a whole lot of things. But the initial thing actually did happen by me just, which I found fascinating as I heard your story and I listened and I said, now isn't that interesting? Just simply by reading it, you know, it took hold because how many kids sit through church, you know, their parents were missionaries or whatever, they never developed that hunger, that thirst for the Bible.

But what I heard in your story, and I know in my own story that it was just simply by reading it that, oh my goodness, it is talking to me and like, wow, this does apply to me and there really is a God. And he became real. He became more than a book. Mm. Yep. Amen. Yeah. He gave you a whole, he gave you a whole context, the whole world, right?

That's exactly what he did. And what Norman's Appeal, you know, told me to do, I do, you know, he said, get up an hour early. Well, I get up a lot more in an hour earlier today than I did then, but that was the biggest change. The best advice I ever got in my life was just read the book, get up an hour early, take that hour, and oh my, you will never be the same. Well, if you take three or four, how many, how many you, God trains you in order to do it. He'll give it to you.

He'll give you a change to everything. And the thing I love about this is it's, it does that same thing culturally, right, that we know it works. I mean, it doesn't come back void. You can't lose. This project cannot lose, right? Thank you. Right, right. We think so. Just like Norman Vincent Peale didn't know it when he wrote it, and he's in heaven rejoicing somewhere.

But man, I mean, you couldn't, that's the advice of the century. Right there. So I would, amen, and I would add to that, that that's also how we abide in Christ. Exactly. We don't just meet him there. That's how we stay in him.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. Well, thank you both, TC, wonderful to have you on. Beverly, again, it's EpicLoveStory.org.

I'll get that through my mind at some point in time. And you want to go visit there if you feel led to give or to pray, believe me, they need the help. They need your resources, and they're doing amazing things, EpicLoveStory.org. Now, of course, I'm so grateful for you listening today. Every one of you means so much to me, and you've got so much wonderful programming. The truth is coming at you, right? Encouraging Prayer with James Banks, followed by The Masculine Journey starts here, and now then, it's time to man up with Nikita Kola of So Much Truth coming at you. This is the Truth Network.
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