True Stories of People in Recovery

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How fun today. We have an author in studio with us, and we get the whole inside scoop on the book, True Stories of People in Recovery. We've got Shirley Luckadoo with us. Shirley, welcome.

Thank you so much. I'm delighted to be here. And right? You actually live in Salisbury, North Carolina. I do. It took us about 40 minutes to get up here this morning. I was surprised.

Very near. And so it's interesting to me, you know, I've noticed over the years that, you know, 2 Corinthians chapter 1 says that God of all comfort comforts us, that we might comfort others with a comfort that we were comforted with. And quite often, people's books, when it comes to this kind of thing, True Stories of People in Recovery, do you have a story of recovery?

I surely do. In my early years, my husband and I, we were Christians. Sadly, we were big hypocrites is what we were. But we we were involved in the church. But we also pursued the things of the world. I think that's a problem for Christians today, too. We pursued the world. And part of that was social drinking, which became more than social drinking, which began to destroy our marriage and our family before God got a hold of us and transformed us.

And we began to see the truth of what we were doing and made some big changes. But it's not so easy to stop, is it? No, it's not. Addiction is an addiction. It's a compulsion. It's a compulsive behavior. And I mean, those behaviors can be anything from from substances to religion or wealth or phones or, you know, on and on and on.

Phones. Now you've gone to meddling, huh? We really can't get consumed with stuff like that.

And anytime we're putting that before the Lord, that's wrong. I was in my I had a granddaughter this week on Wednesday, Thursday morning. And of course, everybody was there all night. But when you looked around that waiting room, there wasn't anybody that wasn't, you know, if you're sitting there waiting for hours and hours on a baby, you know, it was just it was where everybody was and, you know, doing different things.

You know, hopefully they're all studying their Bibles. Yes. It is our babysitter.

I watched I sat in a meeting the other night and there were three little ones there and all three of them had their little tablets. So as you might imagine, Nick, speaking of healing, you know, since healing is in her book title, speaking of healing. All right, so it's time to play shenanigans and feel free. Surely we even have another, you know, guest contributor if he happens to know one of the answers to this. So are you ready, Nick? I am ready, Robbie. And if you want to call in with an answer, by the way, I was always loved that I love callers. And so by all means, 866-348-7884.

If you always wanted to play shenanigans with me, today's your day. So here we go. First, somehow or another, I lost my phone thing and, you know, that would be bad if you called in and I couldn't even see it. Anyway, what do you call a dinosaur that's good at healing burns?

What do you call a dinosaur that's good at healing burns? What do you think, Nick? Oh, you've heard this. I have an idea. All right, what is it? Oh, man. Shirley?

I have no idea. Bernasaurus rex? That's cool.

That's cool. It's close. An allosaurus. Allosaurus. Allosaurus. Allosaurus.

Allosaurus. I like that. Yes, I knew you. John, smile. I saw that on my own. Come on now.

Somebody can call in and try on the, you know, on just the jokes. But anyway, here you go. Here's a little tricky one. A man fighting a war finds an ancient lance capable of healing wounds rather than creating them. What did he name this miraculous lance of which we use this name to this day? What was the name of this miraculous lance that would heal? And we use it every day?

Most people that we don't use it every day, but we sure are glad they're around. Got you. Ambulance? You got it. Oh, yeah? Hey. Good job. I've trained him.

He's getting, he's getting. Are you cheating in there? I wonder if he did. You know, if you saw my joke sheet. No, I did not.

Ambulance. That's it. All right. Good job.

It would be good. All right. Since you've gotten good, this was a little more tricky. All right.

And again, feel free to call in. The ancients spoke of a wise healer who hated to be hugged. What was the law of the land? The ancients spoke of a wise healer who hated to be hugged. What was the law of that land? Which on looks puzzled.

Shirley looks very puzzled. And Nick is on it. I got to this time, I think. I think you got me.

Don't squeeze the shaman. Very nice. Very nice.

Yes. And along those lines, you know, I would actually have a Bible riddle for which you could call in and win today. And again, that number to call in and win is 866-348-7884.

So get ready to dial it. And the question is, what was the first healing in the Bible? What was the first healing in the Bible? 866-348-7884, 866-34-TRUTH. And if they can guess that, Nick, tell them what they'll win.

Oh, absolutely. Yes, you would be winning Ms. Shirley's book, True Stories of People in Recovery. Just give us a call at 866-348-7884. That is 866-34-TRUTH. All you have to do is tell us who, or excuse me, you can say who, it doesn't matter, what was the first healing or who had the first healing or who did the first healing.

I'll take any of those in the Bible. It was a healing and it was in the Bible. What was the first healing?

866-348-7884. Now, I will tell you that there's, you know, Robbie's humors, it's always involved in these a little bit. Now, you could get the first healing or you could get the first healing, depending on when you want to spell heal. Oh, that's a different story. I know it. I know it. You know, there you go.

And they're calling in already. I love that. So you started this journey of recovery yourself, but obviously it led to discipleship in a way. In other words, you began to study the process.

I did. When I, for several years, I just stayed involved in my church, but then the Lord had a calling on me to leave my job. So I retired, left my job and started to the seminary with the intention of beginning a support group ministry. I had no idea what a support group ministry was going to look like. Sometime after that, my former pastor actually locked on my door and said, would you come back to our church and help us start a ministry called Celebrate Recovery?

That was 18 years ago. So my husband and I did that. So we led, well, I still truly celebrate recovery ministry at Trading Ford Baptist Church for the past 18 years.

And I have had a... It's what Baptist Church? Trading Ford. I love that. Trading Ford.

See, I was a Chrysler dealer for years and lots of people were trading Fords. Right? Along those lines, we have Laura is in Michigan, interestingly. Laura, you're on Kingdom Pursuits. Good morning.

Good morning. So I'm curious, how are you listening in Michigan? Are you on one of our Ohio stations? Yeah, we are on our way home from Hocking Hills. Oh, wow.

We've got our four young kids in the car. Well I am so grateful that you called in. So what was the first healing in the Bible? Is it when Abraham healed of the Mille Lacs household?

You could not be more correct as far as the first H-E-A-L-I-N-G. You are exactly right. We're going to send you out that book. He did, right? Isn't that amazing?

Yes. He said it right. All the kids are lucky enough to have to. Well thank you for listening. I'm so honored that you would call in today, Laura. God bless you.

You guys have a great Father's Day weekend. We'll be right back with much more healing. And again, if you've got another healing answer, you can call us.

You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the Kingdom. I dearly love it when people are obedient and God puts it on their heart to step out of the boat, you know?

You don't get to walk on the water unless you step out of the boat. So if he called you to write a book, if he called you to teach Sunday school, if he called you to teach sailing at a Christian camp, whatever that may be. He calls people some really interesting things. The young man we had on the show previously, God called him to do a concert at the courthouse where he had been sentenced.

Wow. Yeah, it was quite a story, but he was obedient to it. And now he does it every year. He's been doing it for five years and God's really, really blessed that. And even the judge that sentenced him recognized him. I mean, that, by the way, is Justin Gambino, a wonderful Christian artist.

And you hear those stories and they were just simply obedient. And I say that because you're listening and you're going, Robbie, God called me. Well, you know, he called Jonah to Nineveh. And I'm just saying being whale bait is not my idea of fun.

If he called you to do something, man, you got to step out of the boat before they throw you overboard. Just saying. And so we have a poster child for that today.

We have Shirley Luckadoo. I'm probably not the first person to say that. You're not. It's OK. And I slaughtered me many times. My last name is Dilmore. And you would not believe how many times like I'll go someplace and your name is Robbie Dilmore. And they'll say, I don't have it. I say, well, look under Gilmore, because, you know, people think that I'm happy.

You're happy Gilmore. But it's it's it's not apparently it was just, you know, the whole idea. So by the way, we still have another book to give away or something fun. If you had another answer for what was the first healing in the Bible and that again, it depends on how you want to spell healing. And again, our first caller did it with H E A L I N G. But there's another way to spell heal, you know, just saying. And that it would be another answer the first healing in the Bible. Eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four. And so, Shirley, can you kind of share with us that and I know you've written several books, right?

Two. The first one that you wrote, you know, how did God just flip that into your head or can you kind of take our listeners back to that experience, what you felt God putting on your heart? Well, God called me to write the current book we're talking about in 2011.

Really? But I was so busy that I just never, ever had time to do it. At least I thought I didn't. And then about four years ago, I had a car wreck and broke my neck. And for three months, I was housebound.

You're talking about joining the Lamb. And he prompted me to start writing. Now, I wrote a different book. I wrote a true instead of true stories of people in recovery. I wrote my first book, which was beyond coincidence, which was more a personal reflections kind of thing. But anyway, I started writing. I did a blog. I kept writing. And then I finally got around to doing two stories.

True Stories was my first calling. And the reason I was interested in writing, as I said, I had been the ministry leader for Celebrate Recovery for several years. And I was hearing these wonderful, wonderful stories, these testimonies every other week of people in recovery, who God had done these miraculous things in these transformations. And I thought, somebody needs to write these down and publish them because they would be so encouraging. They were not just about addiction.

Some of them were about addiction, but they were about all kinds of things. Can I jump in here and not interrupt your train of thought? Yeah. So, as you say that, I can't help but note, and I think it's absolutely beautiful, that the second verse in the 119th Psalm says, Blessed are they who keep his testimonies and seek him with their whole heart. In other words, when you hear somebody else's story, like I heard Justin's this morning, right? And you keep that because it's God's story.

It goes in there like Prageros, spaghetti sauce, it's in there. And now, when you relate those testimonies, you're actually getting a chance. And by the way, there's a beatitude in front of that. If you noticed, I often thought that maybe Jesus was quoting either the first Psalm where it starts out, Blessed are. Well, the 119th Psalm has two of them.

The first two verses are beatitudes where they say, Blessed are. And this one is those that keep his testimonies. And so, have you ever wondered why, when you hear a story that's just beyond cool of something that God did, that it finds a special place in your memory, in your heart?

It does. It finds a special place. It's an encouragement to you, and you can't wait to tell somebody else.

That's right. You just can't wait to tell somebody else. And so, that's how I came to write this book. I heard these wonderful stories, and I wanted to record them. Actually, I'm the editor. These people actually told their own stories, and they're in their words, and I collected them and edited them, and there's 13 of them.

Yeah, that's really cool. I am in a similar book. My story, How God Healed Me from Cancer, a man wrote a book by, I think it's called Divine Intervention, and he collected stories like this.

It's unbelievable how many copies of that book got sold, et cetera, et cetera. And there's Robbie's little story, but he did the same thing. He asked me to write it, and then he took it, and then he edited it to get my spelling and grammar that my mother never would have thought would have been possible to straighten out something Robbie wrote. But nonetheless, I was thinking about, you know, I was tickled that when you said you were too busy. So it reminded me of a car salesman that used to work for me. And again, I told you I was a Chrysler dealer. And this salesman needed to get certified. He was one of my best salesmen.

He sold the most cars. But he would not get certified because you know why? He was too busy. Too busy.

Too busy. And so if he was certified, he'd get like an extra $150, $200 for every single car that he sold. And so his name was Barwick.

If you're listening, Barwick, I'm telling on you. So one day after, you know, I knew that he, you know, for that year, he might have had, you know, three or 400 cars. You know, we're talking about four or $5,000 that he would have made the second he was certified.

But he was too busy to take the test. And so one day I said, Barwick, why do you like selling all these cars? Well, I like to make money. I said, if you spend all day selling cars today, how much money do you think you could make? And he told me whatever it was, I could probably make $800, $900. And I said, well, you know, here's a check right here for like $6,000 if you'll just go take your test.

What are you talking about? I said, I told you for weeks and weeks and weeks that if you're too busy to take these tests. But it's the same thing if you think about it, that you're so busy helping this one person with recovery. You've got this book over here that could help thousands, right? Or somebody, you know, long after we're gone, your ministry goes on, right? Not legacy. Yes.

Right. What God what God, you know, put in that book, you know, who knows whose hands it falls in, you know, two generations from now it's sitting in somebody's, you know, bookshelf that got, you know, sold off to somebody else. And the next thing you know, this book finds its way, God knows where those stories are. And God knows where those stories need to go.

And when you can get in on stuff like that, it's, it's, it's, it's more than amazing. And so, you know, I got, I'm just curious, man, of all your stories, like, can you just what our appetites a little bit about one that it just like, man, you're gonna believe this one? Well, the one that that comes to mind last Friday, we went to the prison in Davidson County to, to present the books to prisoners, they're going to use it as a Bible study.

And a young man named Kyle went with us, Kyle, or before you get to Kyle, I gotta know. So in the book with the stories, is there scripture? Yes.

Aha. And there's questions that you could use for a little Bible study or conversation with someone. Yes. So what a neat, what a neat idea for a Bible study in a prison because I bet there might be one or two people in there with an addiction problem. Well, if you think about it, most people in prison today are there because of addiction. That's just a fact. Huge percentage. I was guessing that. Yeah.

Huge percentage. And so how neat to actually have a Bible study for them that are suffering, right? Because one of the things that I remember in my own addictions that I've had numerous and still have numerous, you know, I'm one of those hypocrites that goes to church, in case you didn't know, I'm one of those hypocrite pastors that go to church.

Seriously, man. It's like if somebody could, like if there's ice cream in the freezer at nine o'clock at night, don't tell me I don't have compulsive behavior. I love ice cream too. Even though I'm diabetic, the worst thing in the world I could do before I go to bed is eat ice cream. However, you know, the world is screaming at you, Robbie, you've had a bad day, man, you deserve to eat that ice cream. You know, you just deserve it. And so can you help me? No, before we get to that, I just wanted to say, you know, that the idea of the Bible study I think is brilliant. Now we can get to your friend's story.

I'm sorry. My friend's name is Kyle. Kyle was a preacher's kid. Kyle also had a very rebellious streak. And as he got into his teen years, his daddy moved him around a lot.

He didn't like it. So he went down the path of all kinds of things from addiction himself, to stealing, to prison, to jail. And it took a number of trips to prison till finally, he fell on his face before the Lord. And he's a preacher today. But he wanted to go into the prison where he'd spent some time.

No, he didn't really. Yeah. Now he goes and does prison ministry. And he went with us to share that testimony with those prisoners about how God had taken him out of his wretched state. And is his story in your book? Yes. Okay.

Do you remember in his story what scripture you used? I do not. I don't miss it. This is a test. During the break, she's going to look it up. And so when we come back, you don't want to go anywhere, but I'm going to, you know, I'm shocked. I'm literally shocked that no one in has called in and told me the first healing, H-E-E-L-I-N-G, the first healing in the Bible.

866-348-7884. We got wonderful prizes. Plus you get to talk to Nick.

Some people call him Saint Nick. Just saying. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom and how fun we have Shirley Luckadoo with us today. She is the author of true stories of people in recovering, in people in recovering or recovery. Recovery. Yes, that's correct. I misspoke.

But they're finding healing from life's hurts, addictions and compulsive behaviors. And I need to remind you, if you go to KingdomPursuits.com, you're going to see her book right on the front page and you just click on that book and you can buy it on Amazon and yourself. Or you could be like Gina in Mount Holly, North Carolina, who has an answer to Robby's riddle. Gina. Hey, good morning. How are you? I'm fine. Hope you all are.

Thank you so much. Oh, I'm having a blast. I'm excited to hear what you think was the first healing in the Bible. So I'm going to take a wild stab at our Jacob and Esau. Oh, I like that one. I like that one. And so you're referring to the point where somebody was a grabber. Right. Grabber of the hill.

Grabber of the hill. Cool. Good job.

I'm not sure if that's what you're after, but when you said H-E-E-L, that's the first thing that popped in my head. Well, you did wonderful. And you absolutely are a winner. But I bet you know your Bible well enough. I bet you do. Oh no, don't ask me. I'm guessing you know this. I'm guessing you know this.

Very early on, right, when God was explaining to Satan what the consequences of his shenanigans would be. Right. He said, he will bruise your head and you will crush his heel. There you go.

I'm sorry. You got it. You'll lose his heel. Yeah, and crush his head.

I probably said it wrong. See, you know your Bible better than I do. But I know there's a heel in there somewhere.

And I know that he's going to bite your – I know Satan's going to bite him on the heel, but he's going to use that heel to crush his head. And that's the ultimate healing right there, isn't it? Absolutely. I love it. I love it. Great job, Gina.

You're a winner. Thank you guys so much. Thank you so much. Have a great Father's Day weekend. Hope you do too. Thanks for calling in. Happy Father's Day. You too. Bye-bye. All right. We've given her the break to get the scripture for us.

I could not remember. I've got 13 of these, and there's scripture all through the book. But each chapter has a scripture passage chosen by the author that represents – Oh, really?

Really? So in the name of this – the pastor that wrote this one, his name is – His name is Kyle. Kyle. So Kyle picked the scripture.

Right. He picked – this is his scripture. And it is from Galatians 2.20. I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.

The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. So that's awesome, right? And so it's really cool. Each person shares their story.

You actually get the scripture that they were clinging onto, no doubt, while they were going through this process. And so you have study questions now. So give us one of Kyle's questions. One of Kyle's questions.

I like this format. So you can take this book and start your own – Little study. – study and invite somebody you know might be struggling with ice cream addiction. Or, you know – Well, there are five questions for each person. The fifth question is, how has the Lord used Kyle's past as a basis for ministry?

That is one of the questions. The first question though, Kyle perceived himself as a workaholic. How did Kyle's workaholic – Oh, he was too busy. Yeah. Workaholism opened the door to other addictions.

And is workaholism an addiction in itself? And it can be. I used to have a dear friend. His name was Calvin, not Kyle.

In Davie County, North Carolina. One of the things he loved to say is, they're busy doing nothing. Busy doing nothing. And how much of my life did I spend, right, busy doing nothing? Because, you know, at the point in time, if God's been telling you, just saying, to write a book, then you ceased to be busy doing nothing. Because it was pretty clear, apart from me, you can do what? Nothing.

And so, you know, I got really good at nothing. Well, we may think it's really important, but the Lord has different eyes. And he sees things quite differently than we do.

What's important to him? What he planned for us to do even before we got on this earth may not be what we want to do. Oh, there's no doubt. But I also found that whenever God calls you into an adventure like this, he called you into the adventure writing this book or these other books, he often surprises. It's like, man, I did not see that coming. So what happened in your adventure?

Man, I did not see that coming. As far as the book itself? No, it's whatever comes to your mind. But whatever came to mind, well, I'm going to be honest with you, when I wrote the book, I had no idea that I would be on a radio station on a Saturday morning talking about it, or any of the things that have been involved in meeting people and trying to share the book with others. The prison ministry event like that, I hadn't, that was not, I just got to write the book. Well, it has carried me down such interesting paths with people. And the opportunity is to share it.

I couldn't agree with you more, you know, when God called me to do the Christian cargo show, because I was a car dealer, so to explain. And, you know, when I'm in the middle of night, he tells me similar to you that he wants me to get on the radio. And I'm like, you want me to do what? And to make a very, very long story short, I eventually met Stu Everson on the Truth Network, or I didn't meet him.

He was a good friend of mine. And I thought really I was going to get out of doing this by, you know, asking him if I could do a radio show and him saying it's crazy. Instead, he says, Oh, great idea. That's the best idea I've ever heard.

How about this Saturday? So I walked into here, this very studio, there was a producer in there where Nick was by the name of Deacon. And I was terrified to say I was scared with no, it doesn't close.

I mean, shaking, terrified, scared. I actually expected Stu or somebody in here to help me. No, not nobody but Deacon. He looks at me. And he says, You must really like to talk on the radio. And I'm like, No, no.

Well, you can't have any dead air. And I'm like, Oh, no, I said people are going to be calling it's a live show. He says, nobody's going to call you.

They don't know who you are. He said, so you're on in five minutes, man, you better get it together. You can't be just sitting there. You know, we like to, you know, put on an emergency signal or something you got that you got to talk. And I'll never forget, man, that long finger pointing at me like, wow, because back then there was there was no music or anything because it was just like there was no intro or you know, it was just like, here came this finger.

And then, you know, you're on. And so what I had done is I'd prepared for the show a little nothing like I prepared the next week. But what I had prepared was all these questions. I thought everybody wanted to know about cars. Like, should I take the rate or the rebate? Should I buy in the spring or summer?

When's the best time of the month to buy a car? All these questions and I just had them all listed out. I had about 30 questions. And I said, so if you ever wondered these things and I just listed my questions and he gave out the phone number and the phone lines lit up like and I just looked and then all I had to do was answer the phone because, you know, I talked on the phone all my life, you know, car salesmen, you know, so you know that that was how God delivered me that day. God has a sense of humor doesn't he did as I was sitting there. I'll never ever ever because I was told you wouldn't get a single call.

All I had all show long was, you know, call after call because apparently people did have a lot of questions about that kind of thing. So if he like you said, if he calls you to it, right, then he's going to equip you. You know, that is so true. He doesn't call the qualified. He qualifies the call. He calls you and he prepares you after you answer the call. And sometimes answering the call is so difficult because you think you can't do it.

This whole thing of talking on radio. I was not going to do that. Well, I'm here.

Well, many have sat in that seat with that same idea, including me. All right. Well you got a few minutes if you want to call in. Maybe you got another heel or maybe you want to talk to Shirley or maybe you want to talk to us. 866-348-7884, 866-34-TRUTH. We'll be right back.

You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. And we're so blessed to have with us today Shirley Luckadoo, the author of True Stories of People in Recovery, which again is at kingdompersuits.com.

You can get it on Amazon. But as always I would suggest that especially with new authors or people that's gone out there on a limb to write a book or publish a book, whatever they've done, man, go back and review the book. It means the world to people to get feedback. Here they put out their whole heart and soul out there and why not share with them what the book meant to you, whatever. It's just like man, the ultimate thank you note to get from somebody and you can really bless somebody. It's amazing.

So again, always that especially books on Amazon or other outlets like that. So we have Jamal, which I'm very excited because he has a comment on this topic. Jamal, you're on Kingdom Pursuits. Buddy, how are you? Hey, Mr. Dealmore. Good to hear you on the radio. But sir, I'm about to call you bro.

I'm your bro. You know that you know I am. And man, you know, you have a voice for radio. I don't know about your face, but I'll probably have a face for radio too.

But anyway, yeah. What were you going to tell us? Yeah, I just wanted to thank you all for what you do, for your contributions to the kingdom, what you do for Truth Network. It was just so funny to hear you all talk about being on the radio and being nervous because I had the opportunity to sit in that very same position and be nervous when I got on the radio. So I was like, wow, Robbie got nervous.

No way. And then to hear the lady also talk about speaking and being on the radio as well. So it just goes to show. And like you said, also, ma'am, God doesn't call the equipped. He equips the call.

Anybody out there that has a pull or tugging to get out there in the public and have some kind of maybe speaking engagement or to engage on any kind of level. Don't resist that pull. Don't resist that tug. You never know a guy can use what God can do for you. Even Moses had trouble. You know, Moses was talking about, hey, I can't talk, you know.

Yeah. So Moses, who paid your mouth, dude? Come on. So I had a, you know, speaking of that, it brought to mind an amazing story that God did for me one time. You know, when Rick Wagner was fired from General Motors, Fox News decided that they wanted to put the Christian car guy on every radio station that they had talking about how to save General Motors, because I did have a plan on how to save General Motors.

And I ended up on a very liberal radio station in Chicago, Illinois, and run by a really famous lady talk show host who was extremely liberal. And, you know, everybody was saying, be careful, Robbie, she's gonna trap you. She's gonna do this. She's gonna do that. And so the show opens up and she's like, she said something along the lines of, you know, you were a car dealer, blah, blah, blah. What was the best phone call you ever had? Or something like that. Okay.

And God gave this to me almost immediately. No, she was talking about, I said, General Motors has really, you know, gone awry. They really have problems. And it's time to call Dad. And she goes, what do you mean? I said, well. And again, God gave me this on the fly.

I was so terrified it was unbelievable. I said, I remember when my son got his driver's license and that first week he went driving in the rain and he drove too fast and he slid off the road, you know, kind of spun the car and put it in a ditch. But the first call he made was to me. And I've never forgot that. And I said, General Motors needs to call Dad. And you know what she said? I'll never forget as long as I live. She said, amen, you preach it, brother. And so, you know, I don't know what I said that struck a nerve with her.

But it did. Because I think everybody has a parent or somebody that when they're in trouble, that's who you call. And so, Jamal, thank you for hosting last week, by the way. I'm very appreciative, appreciative of your support of the network. And you have a great Father's Day weekend yourself, sir.

All right. Happy Father's Day. God bless you all.

And God bless you too, ma'am. Thank you so much. Bye bye. All right.

So this is just a couple of minutes left. What's something you want to make sure you got said today on today's show? That this book is for everybody. Celebrate Recovery is for people with hurts, habits and hangups. And there is a story in this book that would touch all kinds of issues, not just addiction, but so many issues we all have. We all have a hurt, a habit or hangup.

And there is a story there how God healed at least one person. There's hope. There's always hope.

And that would be my message out there. There's hope. Turn to the Lord first and then find yourself a good church and a good congregation and a celebrate recovery ministry or somebody who's going to support you. You need support as you go through recovery from whatever's wrong.

Right. And you'll find that in Christ. True stories of people in recovery.

You'll find it there at KingdomPursuits.com. As always, I am so, so, so grateful for your listening today, each and every one of you. And I just got to tell you that, man, you're in for such a treat because there's so much truth coming at you. You got Encouraging Prayer with James Banks coming up, followed by The Mastin Journey. It starts here now at 12 o'clock on these stations here in Winston-Salem. And then everybody gets Nikita Kolov at 1230. It's time to man up with a Russian nightmare. And so you've got so much truth. Oh, thanks for listening.