Kingdom Pursuits, where you hear from ordinary people instilled with an extraordinary passion. Together we explore the stories of men and women who take what they love and let God turn their passion into Kingdom Pursuits. Now live from the Truth Booth, your host, Robbie Gilmore. Oh, you're going to be so glad that you tuned into Kingdom Pursuits today because we are loaded.
Talking about how God has taken people's passion and used it to build the Kingdom today, we definitely have that. And oh, what a wonderful opportunity we have. Michael Riccigliano Jr., and his movie is Godless. And what a movie that is, and I think that's going to blow your mind when you hear more about that.
We're going to get to that in a minute. We have Michael Ricc, he is back on the Truth Network with his show If Not For God, and that, believe me, if you know Michael and you know that situation, If Not For God, which by the way, if you watch the movie Godless, you're going to see If Not For God in that one too. But also, those listening to the Christian Car Guy Show right before this started know that we never got to Wendy, who is with the Jesus Labor Love ministry with the Christian Car Guy Show. So we've got to get that one first, and then we'll move on to Michael and Michael. So we've got a lot of mics today that I want to talk to. Mike and Mike in the morning.
And we're talking to mics, so it's just working. Look out, Wendy, you're on Kingdom Pursuits for a change. Wendy, how are you? Good morning, Wendy.
Good morning, Robbie. I'm doing well, and I'm honored to be here with movie producers. That's amazing. Yeah, isn't that awesome?
I'm very excited to hear about that one myself. So I understand you've got a fan question. Oh, a fan. Well, my Pontiac, you know, you guys gave me a gorgeous green Pontiac Grand Prix, and it seems like the fan goes off sometimes and works, and other times it doesn't real intermittently, like once every three or four weeks, and it'll overheat, and then I'll drive forward and it'll be okay again. So we're just trying to figure that out. But such a blessing to have that car, and my last car didn't even drive five minutes without overheating sometimes.
So I'm grateful. I know the Lord has a plan for this one, and you guys have been so faithful not only to give me the car, but help me kind of figure out the little quirks it has. Yeah, well, when it comes to overheating, as a Christian car guy, I need to tell you that that is nothing you want to play with, because if it gets hot, you can blow the head gasket, which that'll be way too expensive.
So it's really, really important that we get to the bottom of that. It's probably the thermostat. It turns that fan on in that car, and so Scott will wind that up for you, Wendy, almost immediately.
Believe me, he's sitting here across from me. So Scott, we'll get this done, right? Yeah, she's actually had it looked at, and I think they ruled out the thermostat.
Well, by all means, I would, yeah, we need to get it back somewhere until they can figure out what it is, because you don't want to drive a car that can overheat, because it can be, I sure wouldn't want my daughter in one. I know that, so I... Oh, thank you, Robert. Yeah, we'll get it looked at here next week, I assure you. We'll get right on top of it, but thank you so much. Yeah, hang in there, Wendy.
We'll get it taken care of. God bless you, and thank you for what you do. Thank you for your call. Bye-bye. Thank you.
Of course. Take care. You too. Bye-bye. So, Michael, I am so grateful for you being with us today, and... Thank you. I think it's me. Yes.
You, too, right? Yeah, this Michael. I'm talking about, and I want to make sure I got your last name. Is it Ricigliano, Jr.? It's Ricigliano.
Ricigliano. Okay, it's got that. What a neat name, and I got to tell you, this movie is off the hook.
It draws you right in, and when you see the trailer, you're like, man, I got to see this thing, so I am so grateful that God put it on your heart. Can you tell us a little bit about how that happened? Sure. It actually was based off of a play that I wrote, and it started off as a tribunal that I was going to write about in the Catholic Church when they do their internal investigations, and they'll use a tribunal, and it was actually going to be in Latin. I kind of started to explore more about the canon law, and I was able to lean on Monsignor Jack Alessandro, who was the representative for the US Conference of Bishops when they updated the canon law in the early 80s for the Vatican, and he was a scholar, and it kind of morphed into this excommunication of a Catholic politician who signs a progressive bill into law, and then the political fallout that happens after that. Yeah, that's the thing that, again, it's just totally intriguing when you see what's going on is this politician is fixed to sign this abortion bill, plus, you know, she's got all sorts of issues on gay marriage and all these other things that she's promoting, and the church actually excommunicated. It looks like it, and there's a scene there where she goes to take communion, and you're like, no, not going to happen.
Yeah, yeah. In this scenario, the bishop of her diocese was played by Harry Lennox, who actually was in the seminary at one time. He excommunicates her, because what you see a lot of times is the bishops of the diocese will say, maybe if it's a Catholic politician, they may say, if you're going to come to mass, don't take communion. But in that scenario, a lot of times the politician can go to a different diocese that will allow her to take communion.
So in this one, the bishop excommunicates her and just kind of cuts it that way, and with the understanding that there's going to be a fallout politically for him as well as for her. And boy, it looks like that's the great setup for that movie. And fortunately, I haven't seen the whole thing.
I had to watch some of it immediately. But if not for God, Mike, so if not for God's back, your radio show is coming back on the air next Saturday. It is next Saturday, and you were gracious enough to have me on today, and we did a previous show as well. But I tell you what, brother, God is moving. And Stu Epperson, he has to turn me down, Doug, because I'm a little loud. But Doug knows that. Doug's a friend of mine.
He goes to our church at Just Like Jesus Ministries over in Burlington and really has the gift of the prophetic. But man, I get excited. And I tell you what, Robby, if you can't get excited about Jesus, man, you got an issue there, man. Yeah, we are so excited. So if not for God is not only back, it's on at 12 o'clock.
So it will follow Kingdom Pursuits coming next week. And Mike and I recorded that show here a week or so ago, but it's amazing to me. You know, Mike's energy, Mike's understanding of the Scriptures, and what Mike brings to that understanding if not for God in so many different testimonies, so many situations, and we're so blessed to have that show on. For those who are used to listening to Masculine Journey, they are being moved to Greenville-Spartanburg because their boot camps are going to be more in Georgia and that kind of thing.
So if you're used to listening to Masculine Journey, don't worry, you can still get it at TruthNetwork.com or you can get it through the podcast, whatever the situation may be. But I'm so excited to have Mike there in that slot right after Kingdom Pursuits. And, you know, it's kind of neat to me, Mike, that you're on this show with Michael. And because when you see this movie, which I'm hoping you'll go watch – Well, I actually just watched the trailer this morning, and I can tell you this much. I was intrigued. Right?
Right? Don't you want to – and it's a gutsy call. But I think for a lot of us that listen to The Truth Network are not that familiar with the inner workings of the Catholic Church and not that familiar with the political aspect of what all that is. And certainly right now, Michael, you guys are in the middle of a lot of politics when it comes to electing a new pope. And what are your thoughts on that? Well, yeah, the conclave is going to be happening pretty soon.
And it'll be interesting. Pope Francis was, I guess you would say, you know, more of a progressive pope. And it will be an interesting thing to see, you know, the next pope, who the elect, is he more conservative? Or is he more in the lines of Pope Francis?
But for Catholics, this is the – Right. It's a big talk. So this is going to be an interesting discussion coming up. You don't want to miss it. I'm telling you. It's going to be fun.
And we've got a lot more kingdom pursuits coming up. Plus, of course, you know, we're going to play shenanigans in the next segment. And whether anybody likes it or not, we've got jokes coming. And in my opinion, they're very funny.
But I always think my jokes are funny. So stay tuned. Of course we do. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. And like I said, oh, I'm so glad. I am excited to hear the rest of this show.
I really am. We've got Mike Zwick, always, always fun to have on Mike with If Not For God. And we've got Michael Risigliano with his movie.
It's called Godless. And it's really fascinating stuff. And Michael's raising his hand like he's got some – Well, I wanted to share something about this movie, because this – and, Michael, are you there? I am, sir.
Yeah. This movie hits home to my heart. We actually meet every Wednesday morning at a pregnancy center over in Burlington, North Carolina. And we pray for the unborn. But at this pregnancy center – it's called Arms of Grace – they actually bring women in who are considering an abortion. And they obviously encourage them not to have an abortion, but they also share the good news of Jesus Christ with them. And even if the women have an abortion, they still love the women and they care for them and they try to help them out. But – and especially with the women who have not, who give birth, who choose life, they help them out.
They give them cars, they give them clothing, they give them food. And this is very personal for me, because my father – before I was born, my father was not a Christian and I'm not angry. I forgive and all that stuff. But he wanted to have an abortion. And my mother said, no, my mother chose life. And so because my mother chose life, I'm sitting here and talking to you today. So I really appreciate you making this movie, Michael. Well, I thank you.
And that's an incredible story. You know, one of the things that we talk about in the film is really what is a Catholic politician's obligation? Is it their obligation to their faith? Or is it the obligation to the constituents that elected them? And that, a lot of times, becomes the issue that faced Catholic politicians. Now, in New York, you know, they don't want – I would guess – I'm just jumping in here, Michael – that that should be an issue for every politician. Am I going to listen to God?
Or am I going to listen to men? And I'm just going to come down on the side of God. But, you know, I love the way you isolated it exactly from your perspective, and I think that's important. Yeah, well, one of the things that I talk about in the film, and one of the things that I think is prevalent, is as the Supreme Court gives more power back to the states, especially in regards to things like abortion, where they overturn Roe v. Wade, so now the states are making their own laws in regards to it. Before, if it's a federal law, it goes across the country, so each country has to adhere to this law. A lot of times, politicians would be asked about abortion or whatever it is, and they would say, well, hey, my faith doesn't matter because this is the law of the land, and this is what we have to go by. As we see more power getting back to the states, politicians that – in my situation, you're a Catholic – but they're not getting the opportunity to say that. So now, where they fall on certain issues as it regards to their faith is whether or not they're going to get elected. And I think that's something that politicians now are facing themselves, is where they can't say, well, I'm here for all people, and my faith doesn't matter. The electorate are going to say, wait a second, where do you fall on this issue as it relates to your faith? And they're going to have to answer that question.
And that's something that a lot of politicians didn't address in the past. Darrell Bock I love the tension that you're showing there. And I love that concept, and I really want to get into that in a second. However, it all comes down to if not for God. And so I've got to play this game.
It's just part of my show. So speaking of if, right, and certainly when it comes to this idea of since if Michael is born, this is what we get. So speaking of if – Yes, we got it. We got a few ifs. So here's your questions. You can have a chance to try to answer them, Michael.
I assure you they're dad jokes, okay? So just saying. What do you get if you cross Islam and capitalism? Since we got all these, you know, ideas of theology here. What do you get if you cross, Nick, Islam and capitalism? You got any ideas? Michael Scott I've got crickets going over here. Darrell Bock Crickets, okay. Here you go.
Here you go. You're going to like this, I think. No more jokes about the prophet. Michael Scott Oh, man.
Darrell Bock You did like it, Nick, right? If you cross Islam and capitalism. All right. How about this one?
You can try it. You got me rolling over here, man. If you rearrange the letters of mailmen, what do you get? If you rearrange the letters of mailmen, what do you get? Michael Scott You don't get your mail.
Darrell Bock That's good. I like that. I like that.
You also get an angry mailman. Come on, Michael. It's a little funny. We can hear you laughing. Michael Scott I got you. Darrell Bock Even in New York. Michael Scott Yeah, yeah.
I'll try to figure it out. Darrell Bock All right. Here you go. We got one more before we get to the actual riddle. So if tomb is spelled T-O-M-B but pronounced T-O-O-M, tomb, and womb is W-O-M-B and is pronounced W-O-O-M, womb, then how should you pronounce B-O-M-B? Michael Scott Boom. Darrell Bock Boom.
Michael Scott Boom. Now doesn't that just blow your mind? If not for God, this is an interesting open-end riddle.
I just want to open it up. So if you can guess this today, right? You're going there.
I like it. So here's the riddle. If not for God, what?
That's a pretty open-ended riddle, right? If not for God, what? If you can answer that riddle, you can call us at 866-348-7884.
If not for God, what? 866-348-7884. So if you can guess that one, Nick, tell them what they'll win. Oh, yes, you'll be winning a prize from our Kingdom Pursuits prize vault.
If you know the answer to Robbie's riddle, give us a call at 866-348-7884. You can get anything from our Kingdom Pursuits prize vault. Yes, we have books. Yes, we have T-shirts. And that ever, ever popular witnessing backscratcher.
It's got the little beads, red, white, and blue. You know what I'm talking about. So 866-348-7884. I may just start a whole franchise of the witnessing backscratcher. But getting back to the movie and that tension that Micah was describing, and this is an if not for God situation because certainly in your life, Michael, you have if not for God. So here you have this tension where if I vote against this, I'm not going to get elected. If I vote for it, I please God. So what I have discovered in my life and many times, and I'm hoping you discovered this in the movie, is that there's always a third alternative. And as you pray, pray, pray through something, you go, oh, I hadn't thought of that.
And one of the things you can do, and since you're a politician, and hopefully most politicians are great salespeople. Doug is saying amen. Are you following me there, Michael? What are your thoughts? I'm trying to follow you on that one.
Go through the third. Okay. Well, here's my thought. If I was in that situation, right, and I'm a politician, and my constituents say, if you vote against abortion, I am going to vote you out of office, then Robbie would be, look, this is the way I'm voting, but I want you to look at this in a new light. Here's Michael's wick. If abortion had gone through back then, there would be no Michael's wick. And oh, by the way, some of you are on Social Security, you know? And did you know that Social Security gave up $63 billion last year that would have gone into the tills of Social Security had abortion not been involved in all the killing all those babies that would be in the workforce right now, that we would be a whole lot more secure if those babies were alive? In other words, coming up with reasons that are not just from a faith standpoint, but from a standpoint of practicality, why abortion is one of the biggest evils that has ever been put on mankind?
Are you following me? Oh, I see what you're saying. And I can see how in certain states, that argument is going to be persuasive.
Other states, other more progressive, more liberal states, it's not. And I'm not saying, I'm not in any way saying what you're saying is not correct. What I'm saying is – No, I'm with you.
I'm with you. If you're there in New York City, or wherever in New Jersey or some, there are certain places that this topic is such a hot potato, that there's no way that that argument is going to hold water. However – And also on the back end, you know, you're looking, the movie itself looks to the Catholic base as a voting, right? Catholics vote. You know, in certain states, you know, the Catholics aren't necessarily the majority.
So I think to the Catholic politician, that question's going to come up, and they're going to have to address it, where in the past, if it was the law of the land, they didn't have to necessarily address it, because this is what the federal rules were. That's great thoughts. Michael, I hate we've got to go to a break, but those are.
Those are, and all the more reason. And I'm very excited about – Listen, I appreciate you having me on the show. Oh, we're going to – we've got a lot more coming up, so stay tuned. And we've got your answers to If Not For God, What? You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com.
Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the Kingdom, in the case of Michael Recigliano, his movie, Godless, which again, it's – if you go to kingdompursuits.com, you're going to see it right there, where you can click on it and watch the trailer, and see where you can stream it on Amazon and all sorts of different locations. But also we have with us today Michael Zwick with If Not For God, which that show is coming back to the Truth Network and the podcast and all that stuff next Saturday at 12 o'clock. But when we left our heroes, we were definitely into this whole discussion of what does a politician do in this situation where his constituents will vote him out if he comes up against an issue like – that we know would be faith-based and – Or not vote him in.
Or vote him in. So here's the – here's – Michael says Michael – the other Michael Zwick has an If Not For God situation here. Well, I do. And Michael, you know, I love the fact that you're doing this movie, but I also think that every single one of us have faced this issue in our Christian lives. When we're following Jesus Christ, we have a choice between am I following Jesus or am I going to follow the world?
And so, yes, you know, obviously politicians have these issues, but I'll give you my own personal testimony. Several years ago I took a break between selling insurance and doing something else. And what I did was I found this guy who was going to get me this really good job, and it was going to be making quite a bit of money. But on my phone I had a voicemail, and on my voicemail was John 3.16.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. And this guy said, look, I'm going to get you the job. Everything's going to be good, but I need you to change your voicemail. I need you to just put a regular business voicemail. And it was tough.
When we're talking about it now, we can make it sound easy and stuff like that. But at the time when I needed that job and everything in me wanted to get that job, I had a decision to make. Was I going to change my voicemail and follow the world, or was I going to stick up for what was right? And I said, I'm sorry, I can't change my voicemail. And he said, I'm sorry, I can't give you the job. So once again, now I'm not saying what you did wasn't right in God's eyes. It probably was.
However, however, like I said, with enough prayer there might have been a third alternative. Like Mr. whatever, what was his name? Mr. Cooper. Mr. Cooper. Mr. Cooper.
What about that verse is offensive to you? And you begin this conversation with Mr. Cooper, where I'm not saying that you don't necessarily make a God moment with him, but you take, because as soon as you say, you draw that line in the sand, which is not a political move by the way. When you draw that line in the sand, yes, you're going to move forward that way, but you don't necessarily make progress in the perhaps divine appointment that you had with Mr. Cooper.
I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying, whatever I'm doing, I'm hoping that I'm praying. Because essentially, apart from me, you can do nothing, Robbie. And so whatever the situation is, I look at it and I go, okay, I can make a stand here, but what do you think I got to do, God? And is there another opportunity here to be a politician and also maybe really please you, God, and to have a conversation with Mr. Cooper about his faith? Even if that goes badly, he'll never forget that this guy just didn't wipe me out because I didn't believe the way he did. He really engaged me and tried to find out what the deal is. And he was excited about me doing the job.
He knew I was in sales for a while, but that was pretty much, it was a black or white issue. And I think sometimes I think it's easy, it's really easy to compromise, right? And I think- I don't think you should compromise, don't get me wrong. I didn't think you should take the message off. I just thought it might've been an opportunity, but no, I couldn't agree with you.
I had exactly the same thing- I don't think this guy was really in the discussion mode with this particular topic. Well, no, no, no, no, no. I was just, you know, again, just throwing it out there. Because he did ask me about it. And I said, hey, you know, I can't do that. You know, this is more important to me. Right, right. So Michael, the other Michael, it's your turn.
Jump on in here. What are your thoughts? Now, you know, guys, I'm an attorney from, that's what I, you know, I'm an attorney. And also in certain situations, depending on, you know, the funding that the company can get, or if it's a federal government, sometimes you have restrictions on what you can and cannot say in your voicemail, you know, that you can't, you can't promote certain loans. You know, so, you know, not knowing what the situation was, you know, so I don't, I can't say, you know, listen, if I called and that was your voicemail, would I have an issue with it?
No, not at all. Would people of other religions may have an issue with it that would cost them business? Maybe. So, you know, that might be a reason that he's saying, hey, you know, I don't, it's not that I don't allow you to say this, I don't allow anybody to say this because that kind of eats away at our, you know, of, of who we're going out to for whatever product it is. So, you know, that's not getting too into like a, you know, an issue as to whether or not, you know, you're, you're going against what your beliefs are.
Sometimes that might be just what, what the company's requirements are. That's beautiful, Michael. It really, really is. And I totally get it. I really do. I totally get it.
And I wasn't mad at the guy. I just, but you know, it's funny after that happened, God had something better for me. And, and, you know, sometimes, and Robbie and Doug, I'm sure you've seen this too, if you want to chime in, but there's been so many times in our lives where we faced a trial and I feel like sometimes that was a test or a trial for me. And when I passed the test, God had something bigger and better for me. But when you're in the middle of those trials, I mean, it does, you don't see sometimes the light at the end of the light at the end of the tunnel.
And when you do see the light at the end of the tunnel, sometimes you think it's a train. So, you know, we have Jenny is in Raleigh and she has a story for us. I'm dying to hear it. So Jenny, you're on kingdom pursuit. Thank you for calling Jenny.
What you got? Thank you for thank you for being on the air. I listened to you every Saturday that I can. And I was just, I was thinking about a situation that I'd been in. It's been many years ago.
I think it was about the time that 9-11 occurred. And I, I worked at bank of America and I had a customer that would come in on a regular basis. Her name was Mrs. White and we would pray together. And one day my manager came to me and said that one of the tellers had heard us praying and she was offended. Um, she happened to be a Jehovah's Witness and she said that she did not like to hear us praying.
So I was, I was really stunned and I was, I was, I was really hurt by, by this, but I just, you know, studied myself and I focused on the Holy Spirit. And when Mrs. White arrived the next time I told her, someone has been offended, but what this means is we're going to need to whisper. And she said, Oh, I can whisper. God can hear it, right?
Yeah. And we whispered in prayer and it, it actually almost became much more, I don't know, meaningful. Um, because we knew that nothing was going to, to stop our, our faith and in our exchange.
So the Holy Spirit does provide a third alternative to what the world is yes or no. That is beautiful. Thank you, Jenny. That makes my day.
It really does. You make my day every Saturday. Thank you. And you have a blessed rest of the weekend. You too, Jenny. God bless you. Thank you so much. Thank you.
All right. Bye-bye. So Michael, the other thing, Michael, um, Ricigliano, I do love that you're an attorney. It's so, it's so wonderful. And that you have this insight into the politic of, of, of the Catholic church. So here's the situation that you're facing right now. Um, which we're going to get into as soon as we get back from the next break.
I can't believe we're running out of show and I have so much I would love to talk to you about. But again, the movie is called Godless. And if you go to Kingdom Pursuits, you can see where you can stream it on Amazon, but you got to look under Michael Ricigliano Jr. Cause there's other Godless movies that are, look pretty Godless to me. This, this, this movie is the real deal. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. It has been a delightful show today. So thankful for Jackie's call.
So if you've got a comment or a question or anything that you want to say, like answer to my riddle, then you can call us at 866-348-7884. Today's guest, we have Michael Ricigliano Jr. and his movie, Godless, and it is power packed. And we also have Mike Zwick with us. If not for God is coming back to the Truth Network.
How fun. And if you haven't heard it, you can hear Mike's energy. You better be ready and strap on your seatbelt is, is he's going to be back next Saturday at noon. But the question I really have for you, Michael, is based on what I'm seeing in the movie and in clearly part of what this politician stance was on gay marriage and things like this. And my understanding, and I do not, I'll be the first person to say, I am pretty ignorant on this issue, but that, that Pope Francis was liberal on that particular issue, right? Well, I think he was, he was, um, if I, if I, and again, I don't know, I'm, I'm asking you from your perspective, not again, he was not against same sex unions, but he was against marriage, same sex marriage. If that, if that makes sense. He was, he was very progressive, but he also adhered to, you know, what, what, what God's laws were, uh, which was, uh, marriage will be between a man and wife.
Uh, well that gets to really, before you go any further, because you're a lawyer and I really would love your insight from a legal standpoint. If you have a couple that have, are in union with one another, are they not married? Aren't they not one flesh, like, like, more like a, I'm going to say, you know, again, without being an expert, you know, more of a, of a civil union, not, not, not, not married in a church with a priest.
Right, right. What I'm saying is from God's perspective, right, if the two become one flesh, then the two have become one flesh. Um, so to be for that, but, but to be against it with a priest seems like it's double minded, but I'm not, and that's, that may be judgmental on my part. Well, I, you know, like I said, Pope Francis was, you know, he was, he was very sympathetic, uh, to, to the plights of, of all people, including the, you know, the LGBTQ community. He was, he was known as a progressive Pope. There's no question about it. Um, and like we said before, it'll be interesting to see who, uh, who the Cardinals elect, will he be, you know, as progressive as Pope Francis?
Will he be more conservative? Uh, it'll, it'll be an interesting, it'll be an interesting time, that's for sure. I can say, I, you know, this is my personal experience with that is that you or we as Christians should totally love, totally love homosexuals in any, I mean, their sins no different than our sin. I mean, I have all kinds of sin that, that obviously God died for that. And so I've got to love them, but that doesn't mean I've got to condone, you know, their, their behavior that is, is, is in that kind of way. But I've got to do it in a way that doesn't have, you know, it's, it's, it's a political issue to some extent.
I'll give you an example. So I had this situation where my future daughter-in-law was coming to meet me and I didn't know her. And I was getting set up by my other family members that knew that my Christian stance on homosexuality. And so they started off by saying, daddy, what do you think about Ellen DeGeneres's new theme show or whatever she had, you know, knowing that I would say something stupid, which I did. Okay. And immediately my future daughter-in-law jumped right down my throat, like, so you blah, blah, blah, blah. And she took off on me like there was no tomorrow.
Right. As you might imagine. And she rightfully should have, because I should not have said that. I shouldn't have. And God, you know, so what do you do? You pray, Mike.
And I'm praying like, God, what do I do? And he said, so I just said, you know, you couldn't be more right. I should not have said that. That's very judgmental on my part. However, you know, I will tell you that I have sin in my life and without Jesus and without what the board says, I would have no truth to hang on to. And so the only truth I have to hang on to is what the Bible says. And thank goodness for that truth, I was forgiven for my sexual sin and things that I went, and I went into that conversation with her just like that.
She ended up actually for a time being the producer of this radio show. That we ended up being like very close and her idea of faith came 180 degrees around, not from actually, you know, taking the whole approach of coming against her, but trying to figure out, you know, God, what can I do that totally defends your word, but at the same time, you know, appears to be and is loving towards him? Does that make sense, Michael?
Michael, it does. And, you know, going into the movie, you know, that's one of the things that the bishop says, you know, when he excommunicates the governor. You know, she's kind of trying to rationalize why she's doing these things. And his position is, look, I'm not saying you can't believe in these things.
What I'm saying is just don't say you're a good Catholic and doing it because you're outside the faith. That's so beautiful. And once again, you hear that music, Michael. I did not do you justice and I didn't do Michael's wick justice. I don't do it on purpose.
We really enjoy it. We want to remind everybody that this movie is called Godless. It's at KingdomPursuits.com.
You got to look under it. Michael Resigliano Jr. The movie is Godless. Michael's wick going to be on next Saturday at 12. Now stay tuned because you got Encouraging Prayer is going to be on next, followed by The Mask on Journey starts here now. One last time. Thank you Michael and Michael.
