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May 11, 2022 8:30 am
Mike Zwick interviews special Guest Justin Noop who’s had many Spiritual encounters that come with great stories of God’s power. For more "If Not For God" Follow us on YouTube and view footage of this episode.
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Your host Mike Zwick. If not for God with Mike Zwick we got a very special guest today. We have a young man named Justin Knoop. Justin is originally from upstate New York. He actually came down to North Carolina. But he has a very very interesting story and Justin just turned 37 is that rightness right.
April 3, April 3, and that you you grew up in upper New York State and you didn't have much of a religious background. Can you tell us about that and I did not. I grew up very I grew up in upstate New York was more a Roman Catholic. But you know we went to church from time to time.
Easter send Christmas things like that but I really had no regard for God really what one something that was on my mind so I like to tell people when I was converted my game alike to Christ, at age 23, I was a clean slate.
I had never even been in the lobby will notice that I had never even read the Bible when I was converted, age 23, then I began to read the Bible lawsuit so you were converted at age 23.
So when did you come down to North Carolina. I came down to North Carolina at age 15. Okay, what brought you down here my parents and my parents work things like that family situations okay came down here at 15 and then you got saved got say use you met a girl, is that right yeah yeah so backed up just a little bit might my background a little bit was where I grew up there was a lot of alcoholism and stuff like that and so by the age of 10 is when actually I was introduced to alcohol and so I tell this back story little bit because a lot of people don't understand that that the radical past that I came from and and that's why I'm so radical for Christ. So by age 13, I was actually drinking alcohol and partying every weekend and then at age 15. As we moved to North Carolina and I was immediately able to find that crowd in my high school and began to continue the process of living my life as if God didn't exist, but that led on into.
Of course my college years I went away to Wilmington to go to college I did. I'm dropping out of college coming back for medical reasons back into Alamance County where I live. That's where I met this girl right and so we went out one night in Greensboro I meet this girl and is funny to tell this story because I ended up having a one night stand with this girl and live that way so that was very normal for me, but then eight weeks later I get a text message from this girl.
I don't even know her last name and she says hey can I talk to you as soon as she said that I knew exactly what she was saying. So she calls me and she says hey I don't know how to say this but I'm pregnant while what happened next. So I of course had her over and we began to discuss what we what we wanted to do and the good thing was the way that I was raised. Even I was raised in a biblical background. I knew that I needed to take responsibility for what I did. So I told her I said listen, I know a lot of people put different things on the table like abortion and stuff like that.
I said I don't believe in, and I'm not that way I don't know what our relationship will look like, but I will be here to take responsibility for this child. I even I was an alcoholic and a partner at the time I was trying to say I can offer you the best I can. I can't promise I'll marry you, but I'll be here for that baby and then you said I'll be there for the baby things started dating is yes. So as time went on we of course communication is so weird to say I want to throw this out there. This is now my wife does. This is now my wife and so that process through her pregnancy allowed me to actually this is this is kind of how the Lord was working and he brought me to himself because my mother-in-law this woman. She attended a Baptist church locally at that time and so she began to invite me to this church and I did everything I could possibly do to get out of it when I when I wasn't even listening to the message but this is what kinda began to introduce me to at least being in the religious realm of immuno being in the realm of talking about God or something like that so and so when you started to go to this church. You started to hear something that spoke to you was a I love itself is part of my conversion story because up until this point nobody had shared the gospel with me, so this is this is 2009.
This is actually in around February March 2009, some living at my now mother-in-law's house with my pregnant girlfriend so I'm walking down the hall one day and I begin here. This inner voice. And this thing is telling me.
Hey just in the road that cheerleading on his skin and destruction. Remember I did listen to the Bible ride.
I had read the Bible.
Up until that point. So I hear this voice, and it becomes haunting for like a couple weeks. I'm here in this thing. If you continue down this road it will lead to destruction a basely haunted me for enough weeks to where the next time I was at church I found this pastor and I tracked him down after the service and I was like hey listen, man. I don't know what's going on. I'm here in this voice you know and luckily he was like he's my son.
I think this is this is actually God speaking to a member at that point that it struck my heart that God would reach out to me like that and that through even not even hearing people share the gospel people not reaching out to me. He reached out directly to me and I and so I repented that day and I gave my life to Christ and my repentance was very, very genuine.
Nobody had to teach me what was to repent. I just knew that I wanted to get rid of the old lifestyle and give my life to Jesus that was in March 2009 I was looking up.
I think it's Hebrews 412 the word of God is quick and powerful in number than any two-edged sword, but so you got saved and thousand and nine, but then you were still having some struggles and you felt like maybe there were something more is yeah yeah yes I had a genuine change in where I did want to sin anymore, but certain things left me I was I was an amazing cuss her before Jesus that left I didn't. I do want to do any more than struggle with it, but there were certain things like the alcohol that I struggled with the addiction that had run in my family that I was still struggling with lust things that a lot of people struggle with and I just couldn't kick him for multiple years and so we served in the church. Locally we served in a youth ministry and we did what normal Christians do at church and then something happened in 2016, I was amazing. I got invited to an event and this lady was put nine and she asked us to be part of the prayer team so we agreed and on the first night. This I believe is August 26 of of 2016. A man comes up and that my wife had been talking to actually with the pastor and he asked if he could pray for us.
So he prays for me. He lays hands on me. I'm a very logical guy didn't mention it, but I had gone to Bible college. Prior to this. During that time because I thought how you know Jesus meeting logical person you study him right like you would study a book and so that's what I did that I didn't quite get there all the way. But this man prays for me and I can't tell the story in any other way or with what to compare to than this, but I felt like electricity began to run through my body and as I'm thinking in my mind. Like in my having a heart attack like what's going on. I'm thinking this can't possibly get any more intense and so I began to fall to the ground and this is not like me like I don't even know what the word charismatic means at this point like this is not my background so I fall to the ground. I'm on the ground for like 30 minutes and I feel that with what what feels like fireworks going off in my body and I stand up and differ mantises in 2016. I mean, I woke up with a piece over me that I couldn't I couldn't I can explain what happened later on. The Lord showed me that what he was doing was actually delivering me.
I receive deliverance from actual demonic spirits that had been afflicting me up to that point how I knew this was one the life I like the Lord spoke to my spirit, but number two in deal with those things anymore.
The anxiety, the panic attacks. Those things were gone.
Actually had anxiety so bad I would grind my teeth at night and the cause TMJ completely healed of that I no longer was dealing with those things while so you are no longer dealing with these those things but then you felt a calling to step out and do more is that writer yes of this is in the summer of 2016. Honestly, I just at that point I was just amazed that God could could do miracles still today so this was an experience that didn't develop my theology. A challenge my theology. So would cause me to look back into the Scriptures and with a fresh new perspective.
So when I began to look in the Scriptures. I noticed that there was a big detachment from how the church is living, compared to how the early church looked in the book of acts, and I didn't. I didn't want to live in that gap anymore.
I want my life to look like this. So after that I actually worked in a local hospital and so I had plenty of opportunity to pray for the sick. So I began praying for the sake of my hospital.
I was the first thing under snow Michael Jesus still heals today so let me just are praying for the sake of the hospital so I prayed I worked in the radiology department started praying, afraid, for about 17 people. I remember I was counting and nothing happened and then on the 18th person, 17th or 18th person. I pray for this woman with two years, and neck pain, and she turned to me and I'm like me know what's going on. She says all my pain is gone. While more freaked out than hurt like sitting there like praise God, thank you. And I'm like you, are you serious did this so that just set me on this trajectory to where I just had an openness to God, my God, whatever you want to do. I want to be in it yet and so you started to see healing. You said it challenge some of your theology than anything else, instead of yeah confirming it, but then you know the Bible actually talks about casting out demons. Yes, well, is that right Mr. you know the looking at Mark 315 and it says and to have authority to cast out the demons you Matthew 10 eight. He tells us, healed the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely, or you received, freely give. Mark 1617 B signs will accompany those who believe in my name they will cast out demons that they will speak with new tongues. Luke 1120 if I cast out demons by the finger of God the kingdom of God has come upon you. It goes on and on and on me. That's not it, but just wanted to pause or quit because there are people who think that maybe casting out demons are healing the sick, that may have just happened in the first century we think about that sure why think there's an argument that can be made against the station is in believing that the gifts of the spirit of C-Store burette miracles have ceased, and things like that I think is probably hundred another topic, but for me it wasn't something that I necessarily agreed or disagreed with in Scripture.
It was something I ignored and I think that's where most of the body of Christ stands. Those are the verse. The verses you just read are the ones we either skip over glaze over Friday night and so for me in 2016 there's an expense I want to share that happened in December 2016.
That changed everything for me. I called my Peter experience. It was one of those things where like your member Peter had that vision up until the point we had the vision of the the blanket that came down in the animals. He believed that the message was, I wasn't to go out to the Gentiles. And then God gives him this experience and it it actually causes him to rethink his theology that is maybe the message of the gospel is for everybody not just for the Jews. So in 2016 I had a very close personal family member that we went over to visit me. My wife and as were talking with her she gets us share some very concerning things that were happening to her in the night and I'm talking about things I think happened to a lot of people but were were scared to share. She was having these encounters in the night to the point where she said when I wake up in the night. I feel like something is laying on me and covering my mouth and I'm like this is a very close family members. I'm really concerned and she stepped away from you and my wife looked at me and she said trembling inside. We need to pray for her and I said okay I agree, I thought as your typical Christian, you know, lay your hand on their shoulder. Bless you. I just pray that God keeps you safe will. Little did I know God has a different idea.
And so we began to pray and I hear something. God deposited something in my spirit. It was just this all I heard was a small boy say spirit of fear. Remember, I've never seen a deliverance I've never seen a demon manifest anything like that.
So what do I do I just repeat it in some praying and I just say yeah this spirit of fear, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. No lie, this woman instantly falls to the ground and begins to manifest the demon.
This is not this is this is about a personal family member, some looking down on the ground and she is she is going back and forth like somebody's pulling her, but there's nobody touching her and I'm just as freaked out is probably most people hearing this at this point, so I look over to my wife and I'm like what do I do and she says you cast it out and I'm like, how, and she's like I don't know just tell it to leave. I mean I got my phone out.
I'm looking for pastors a call like somebody more qualified than a right. But the problem was that there was nobody more qualified because we were the people there and then I thought, why have the Holy Spirit.
So I guess were all dependent on Jesus anyway so I began to command the spirit to leave and guess what, it didn't leave like most people thought will Jesus just commanded it come out a word that didn't work and so what happened was we pray for about 30 minutes and it didn't come out and then I told her I didn't know what to do. So I said, just say the name of Jesus words fully dependent on Jesus.
This is the scariest part so she goes to say the name of Jesus, and she can't talk the demon had made her mute and I'm and I got tears in my eyes because this person is very close to me and so we just continue to pray, continue to pray we didn't know what else to do in about 45 minutes. Even in this thing releases and I hear the words come out of her mouth. Jesus, Jesus, and the thing goes, it's gone, and we all just kinda collapsed on the ground and are looking at each other like what just happened while while and so this is not something you were looking for, necessarily, not something you were expecting you know just kind of fell in your lab. No, what and so I guess when people hear that you know so this happened, you did that but you're still doing this today you that you actually have. This is your ministry. You are one of the things that you do in your ministry. How did it give the from that to where you are now. Yes. So in 2000 I was young 16 K for about six months.
We just process that we didn't go out or try to read books or anything like that. We just process with the Lord looked in Scripture to see what we saw and we saw that this was a normative practice for the early church, especially in the in the Gospels in the book of acts, and so we were my wife and our processing.
Now what is this what is is mean you know we do it we were looking for this member but what happened was in 2017 this is a whole side story but we ended up going into some some training so we traveled in and got trained as missionaries. We that's what our heart we want to go on the mission field so we did that and we thought well you know will just handle this as it comes up and he followed us and followed us onto the mission field so we had an outreach after our initial three month training in the Philippines. We spent two months in the Philippines and in our particular team would rotate through who preached and so a lot of times I would preach at a church and then afterward we would call people forward. These were not charismatic churches we would call people for for ministry time and so I will give you an example.
One instance I began to pray for a woman. And again, the Lord deposited something in my spirit again.
He said peace that surpasses all understanding, some praying for this woman. Nothing's happened. Eileen and I whisper in her ear. Hey, I just want you to know that God gives peace that surpasses understanding this lady lets out a scream like somebody's shooting at her and then just falls to the ground and passes out. This is not a Pentecostal church know because I would be you know you're like I didn't even have it. I didn't even have a grid for that member. I didn't grow up in any of that and I didn't attend a charismatic church at the time I was just in a nondenominational church so this began to happen on a regular basis. Another instance we went in and we were praying in meeting with a that these are in villages and in in the Philippines are one of these churches had like 12 members in it and the pastor is just like just were deal with persecution just just pray for us.
So this is another crazy incident. So I lay hands on the pastor pray from invite the Holy Spirit in this man actually is that there is a member. There's a fan behind him actually flies backwards as we invite the Holy Spirit hits the fan knocks it over falls to the ground. I mean, not like you wouldn't do that to yourself. If you are faking this and again so my wife and our part were like Lord, what are you doing and we even know at that point. What we do do we continue to pray for the person like how do we handle the situations that allow I want to tell people out there know this may sound alarming and will get into some of the scriptural backing and stuff. Maybe later in future show but I want to tell people the Lord is gracious to walk you through your journey to working with what you have okay you dependent on the Holy Spirit you're dependent on Jesus. He's going to work with you with the place. He's gonna meet you where you are. Basically, he met us where we are and he's taken us on that on that journey so so you're going to with waves travel at the top right yeah yeah and then you came back. I think you you started to go to a church was at the river and you water Burlington is right, but then you decided you. You started to do was it a home, church or community. Your gift so Isuzu actually ended up going to Africa part about it and mentioned that.
So we started to experience the same thing in Africa so the stuff was just following is everywhere. This is where things kinda shifted and changed for us. We came back to America in 2000 the end of 2017. We had planned to go permanently on the mission field in 2018. I'll share that in a minute but into early 2018 still meeting with people talking with people about our future plans.
We are to go to Nepal I were to travel to Nepali missionaries as a family. In 2018 something crazy happened and we had began to invite people into our home.
A guide showed us what happened was I was in the kitchen with my wife one day and I was a little frustrated because we had gone in the mission field we had seen miracles we had seen things happen, we are sharing the gospel scene people give their life to Christ. We came back home and a lot of people that we were with were in the same exact position as when we left and we were matted. Then we were just like Lord wise and everybody on fire and the Lord corrected us in that moment, he said what are you doing about it. I was like well what I said what will were sharing with them were shared testimonies with them and he said yeah, but what are you doing about it and that's when the Lord began to teach us that this is more about just sharing testimonies with people. This is about inviting people and what did Jesus do, he brought people with them, he taught them and then he demonstrated and so that's when the Lord began to teach us that take what you've learned what you've experienced, demonstrated, and actually train and equip people. So what we began to do is invite people into our home and do just that.
Started off with questions like, hey have you ever heard of the great commission and believe it or not, most Christians were like. I think I heard my pastor teach on but I'm not sure exactly what Intel's hey you know how to share the gospel. You know what no I don't and so we began with simple things foundational things.
What is salvation what is the response to the gospel. How do we do this so that's how that kinda developed and we notice that immediately there were some people that needed prayer they needed baptism and so this thing just started to grow into multiply organically so that that was how we started meeting and in the homes of people was really just a desire to see people equipped and trained to think that there something that people could only get probably by being in church and listening to a sermon or listen to us to get a longer work quietly listening to that person. But I also believe that there something that people can only get by being a small group because you have that interaction you were able to talk to people ask questions. You get the questions answer sometimes say if I don't know the answer. I don't know the answer but it you know it's interesting is what you said reminded me of James 214 says, what does it profit my brethren, if someone says that he has faith but does not have works and can faith save him. If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them depart in peace, be warmed and filled, but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead and and so one of the things I think we were talking about this a little bit before one of the things that you you talked about a lot of people are probably surprised by this, but in one of your videos. You said I have seen people I've seen absolute miracles and people healings salvation the demons released him assuming and then you said a few weeks later there back in the same position.
How is it possible that either.
Why think is because a lot of people don't realize that salvation isn't it is not just about an instance in time decision. You know even the word faith means trust so it's about a life handed over to Jesus. What is a life handed over to Jesus.
What is it mean to make Jesus Lord will means that you've given him full control to your life and by that you're saying by that commitment you're saying. I choose to obey you. And so I think a lot of times I think there is going to be people that don't have action in their life because their faith is not genuine but there's also going to be people that have genuine faith, but they don't know what to do, that makes sense, but you can tell by talking to that person because there's usually something that will come alive inside that says I just don't have language like this is what I've been looking for. You'll talk to those people and so will we were trying to do is number one.
Give people language for that and then teach and equip that this is what you do. This is what the normal we talked about this earlier. This is what the normal Christian life looks like, yet think it was left was Adrian Rogers or who it said the season that the average Christian is so abnormal that when they meet a normal Christian think that the normal Christian is Apple that's right that's right like what's know what's normal was normal. The church down the road or the book of acts what's normal to you actually saw an interview that you did with visit to Corbin the Sunder Garcia is our right and so you actually talk about were that baptism is not just a symbol.
You said it's a little bit more than what I like to my new place.
People get really really nervous around talk of of baptism. Francis Chan is a really cool video on it. He seen a lot of people came up to it as church and they want to know, like, is baptism required for salvation and his responses. Why do you ask. I love that response is because people they people want to want to put you in this pickle to where you are trying to take this definitive stance when I think the Bible has strong language around baptism and something powerful that takes place in the mist of that so I will you know can publicly say I don't stand in the position of a baptismal regeneration, but I also don't stand in the position of baptism is a pure symbol there's no power here I stand there is no power in the water itself, but when your faith is placed in an action if you're if your faith is in God.
In this action, God does super something supernatural in the water so that's where I stand and I noticed when I actually put my faith in God's going to do something in this action of obedience. Things happen. We've seen people come up out of the water manifesting demons.
We've seen people come up out of the water healed. We've seen powerful things happen in this action of faith absolutely is and we got about a minute left in order to have you back on another show, but if people want to check you out you you actually have a YouTube channel is art that we do or or and social media right now so I got my muniment normal Facebook, but we've also got a YouTube channel. You can search unshakable kingdom and it will pop up and we got multiple videos speaking on different topics getting more into the depth and the nitty-gritty of a of what were discussing on the surface here actually saw a video that you did on the talk yet you are casting a demon out of the lid and got 175,000 views so people are interested in this thread and in working talk little bit about little bit more about this on the next show but the world is actually there obsessed with even thoroughly assessed with all the stuff a lot of the churches don't talk about it. I believe this is something that will have to discuss and I think it is something that Robin have to deal with so just the new minimum. So glad you come on today. Like I said we got another show next week been a pleasure if not for God RA for my YouTube channel.
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