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Not Afraid to Share God

If Not For God / Mike Zwick
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October 13, 2021 12:30 am

Not Afraid to Share God

If Not For God / Mike Zwick

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October 13, 2021 12:30 am

Mike is joined this week by a courageous couple. Elaina and Tiger Hebert are not afraid to share the Gospel of God with anyone.

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If not for God with Mike Zwick. We had a very very special. So today we have my friends Tiger and Alayna Hebert HD BER T Tiger is a prolific writer. He's written many books and hell, I'll let you let him tell tell you about some of those a little bit but really good guy they got. They actually go out and do the work of an evangelist and his wife Alayna actually goes to goes to people in Walmart are complete strangers and just ask people if they need prayer been to a baseball game with Tiger and he has actually gone up to people who he didn't even know we just asked them if they needed prayer and then they both share the gospel with those people so I know we talk a lot about only show about sharing the gospel and you know how when the word about world about Jesus, but these folks do it on a daily daily basis. And so to start off the show. I wanted to look up a Psalm that Psalm 139 it says, oh Lord you have searched me and known me, you know my sitting down in my rising up. You understand my thought afar off. You comprehend my path and my lying down and are acquainted with all of my ways. For there is not a word on my tongue, but behold, the Lord, you know it all together you have hedged me behind and before and laid your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me. It is high I cannot attain it. Where can I go from your spirit, or where can I flee from your presence. If I ascend into heaven, you are there. If I make my bed in hell hold you are there. If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, even there your hand shall lead me in your right hand shall hold me if I say, surely the darkness shall fall on me. Even the night shall be light about me.

Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from you, but the night shines as the day the darkness and light are both alike to you for you formed my inward parts you covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made marvelous are your works, and that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth your eyes saw my substance being yet unformed and in your book. They all were written.

The days fashion. For me, when as yet there were none of them how precious also are your thoughts to me.

Oh God, how great is the sum of them if I should count them they would be more number than the sand when I awake I am still with you. Oh that you would slay the wicked. Oh God, depart for me there for you bloodthirsty men, for they speak against you wickedly your enemies.

Take your name in vain do I not hate them. A Lord who hate you, and do I not load those who rise up against you. I hate them with perfect hatred I count them my enemies search me oh God, and know my heart try me and know my anxieties and see if there is any wicked way in me and lead me in the way of everlasting and and Alayna I were talking just last night about knowing God and and and we believe that that you can actually have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as our writer when yeah right I think that every day more and more about new strand night and convey new virus. There, now they're talking about it being 70% or deadly. Think of a 19 I really think that what God wants to share because I don't want to share what I want to talk about. I want to share with on God's heart and what you want people to know and not. We don't need to be afraid of that because if we really know who got it. If we really truly understand the nature of God that we will understand who we are in Christ better. That that we need to understand he is our protector and on Tiger and I talked about this for a long time. There's a difference between agreeing with the word of God, and deleting the word of God when you agree with the word of God.

You hear these working estate yeah I trailed like that, that is. On when you believe something that is real to you that detain inking you unscrew a real understanding and a lot of time to come through experience that sometimes insight reading the word of God and getting it inking you that you truly come to believe that word and back. When you start healing and that when you start being the miracles that Jesus talked about IQ and an even greater and will do and he did tell about the different there honey, I think that a lot of times in my own life I have agreed with the word of God in my mind. I said that the trail but haven't transformed to the point where I'm truly believing it in my heart and when I was talking. The other night. God was reminding me that there's something that I didn't double minded about and that's where you are believing God you're standing on the where your you know your agreeing with the word of God. But you're all set out dealing with the fear you're feeling you're dealing with doubt and unbelief in math and a lot of Christianity, especially now with Nicole virus and spoon shortages there.

There just wavering back and forth between fear and hate and fear and faith and wanted they can't coincide together wanted to know when it torment being double minded anywhere and I talked about a double minded man is unstable in all of his way, not just that one thing you're struggling with it filters into your whole life changed when he talked about that and felt I had few actually, the Lord brought it to my attention that I was double minded and expert in a few things that I needed to take that to the Lord and to confess the truth of who he is because he was letting me know that when I come to really understand the back when I can understand I am in fact when it becomes thrilling when you and on on God. You know who he is and so I think I've heard a lot of people say oh you know all the things about God and there's a whole bunch of things in Scripture that talk about who he is but he actually will make it personal to you when you ask can Lord I want to know you and you know please reveal to yourself who you are who you want to beat me that you haven't been before, who are in elk is that the ways of God and the electronic LK sorry work were kind of doing this together and I don't want to get out not let him talk now. Yeah that's it's it's true right you know that I was actually looking up looking up something about that was last night or this morning but Tiger and I we were talking about this last night about you know is God still the same yesterday today and forever. It says in Malachi chapter 3 verse six it says, for I am the Lord, I change not. Therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed, and so one night when I thought about this. I civilly think of some examples and a and I actually popped into my mind. Today was Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson actually rewrote the Bible and what he did was he actually took all of the miracles that were in the Bible and he omitted them. He took, he took all the parts were Jesus said that he was divine. He took them out were Jesus walked on water, everything else he said, but what he did was he tried to keep the moral teachings that were in the Bible. And so I sent him that's terrible and we can we know that's wrong but it's interesting. I guess in one sense, at least Thomas Jefferson was consistent because you know it says in Revelation 315 through 16. He says I know your works that are neither hot nor cold. He says that because you are lukewarm. He says I will spew you vomit you out of my mouth and so Thomas Jefferson what he said was okay 1800 years ago when he was alive.

None of the miracles happen. Jesus was not divine and he said none of the miracles happen today, but there are some Christians out there who say yes all the stuff happen on Jesus walked on water.

He healed the sick, he healed a blind and he rose from the grave. He did all of that stuff, but today for some reason he doesn't do any of that stuff and and I think Tiger will talk about last night was that that doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense know it really doesn't. And there's a couple different ways that you can look at this through Scripture.

The first is that anybody who comes to me and the dots that first century… I would just ask them where did you learn that in Scripture because it doesn't discuss that in Scripture. As you mentioned in Malachi, that the Lord does not change and here's the thing. We also have to understand there's been multiple covenants that are spoken about through Scripture. But if you look at believe it. Hebrews 722 told this makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.

The New Testament talks all about the new covenant that we have entered into because of the blood of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice and it is a better covenant to do superior to even be the great covenant that God established with Abraham, and that was an amazing covenant so if he was establishing a better covenant or of splendid that covenant and when did God's blood covenant and for those of us are in Jesus Christ answer the it's an eternal covenant established with God because any covenant established by the spilling of blood is a permanent it's an eternal covenant and he didn't give us a better covenant to give us less of the kingdom of God to give us less of himself, Scripture, Jesus himself told us that we would go on to do what he has done and greater works. He didn't say greater works for a century is that you will go on to do greater works. Jesus even laments in Scripture is that you will come to me thinking, Lord, Lord, all of these things in your names we appeal. Give cast out demons. All these many things and he said I will depart for me, for I never knew you would use wouldn't say that we would come and say these things to if they want something that will be empowered to do and those are even people who aren't in love with Jesus those are people who don't have that intimate relationship with him. They might have that had knowledge that Alina was talking about, but are they going in the secret place are they building that intimate relationship. Are they fellow shipping with them, they might have. They might have an understanding of who Jesus is my my love the idea of Jesus, but are they communing with Jesus and the truth is when you stand like I was talking about being double minded warrior on that and get a lot of people they want on the fence about that I'm on the fence about that. There is no fence with God ureter all vinegar not and I was telling you about that joke where the guy with aunt and he was saying. I just don't know. Lord I don't now I have 1 foot on your side 1 foot on the financial side and things that will depend is mine either your own inner you're not an expert at Scripture talks about ways that I'd rather you be hot or cold, lukewarm, I beat you out of my mouth until a lot of the people in the body of Christ.

I've been being met and God would rather you stand cold completely cold then to stand on the fan are beyond the hand half the world and that we need to make actually went what side working to be on because the fence 50 thinking to work. It can't work anymore and there's no power in that you will not be the things of God. You will not stand in the power of what the word said that we should you believers lay hands on the stick and they shall recover.

And you shall raise the dead, you will be that if you're on. You have to be all in or you have to be all out and get it either one or the other. There's no middle ground. There yeah yeah and this is not just something that is theoretical and this is not something that hey, this sounds good. Yet we believe that it that people get healed and we believe that for signs and wonders, and in that people that demons can still be cast out to me this is stuff the ties of scene right out of absolutely we have three beautiful children right now and if it were not for the word of God and the goodness of God. I don't know that we would have any three of them now because there have been things that have come against them to try to take their lives at different ages, especially when they were a lot younger and the word of God has been the only thing we've been able to stand on and I know Elaine is had to do with that or her own health as well and we have chosen to stand on the word of God and were certainly not perfect people were learning all the time. But what we've learned is the things that God said he hasn't changed his mind about we have to get and I ate and not labor, because only waiver we Noll and Blakely that I think estate have to be operating to please God. You cannot have the things of God. If you're not in faith, and when you have to your command. It didn't like the debate wanted wanted to get away and because you can't coexist together.

So it's either one or the other and you know when we can, you know, Lord, have been double minded and you go to handing you to say I'm to believe your work no matter what it looks like no matter what this world what's happening in the crazy stuff is taking place. I'm in a trust that your prep my provider to get in your word. It will provide for me again going back to the things of God who he is when you really really know who he is. You can trust that what he says is true.

Just like if I were to tell you who your wife but I don't know her well you do you what they will now that's not about her because you know her. So when you know God you won't. You will stand for the things that he is, you won't worry about the things that are happening right now the uncertainties that were living in right now because you know you can take care of you. As you know, your father into is to really truly know who you are in christ you got a note in first and i thought he would let me know this past week, knowing he had been standing on that being firm and that will allow me to know who i am in christ. at that point that one can't go before the other.

the deeper root is knowing our father in heaven knowing who he is in a character that you know mike, we we were talking the other day about this. this whole process of knowing god for ourselves that not just you know i could teach my children all the time of the still young they cannot have a relationship with god. based on my relationship with god.

they have to build that relationship for themselves they have to not only read the word but they have to take out time to say god i am here i'm here for you.

is there something you want to share with me.

is there some scripture you want me to read building that that relationship with him speaking him scripture is all about speaking the other night we were actually talking about that the faith Of the famous faith. chapter hebrews 11 and it talks about faith and we were actually specifically talking about verse six, read it real quick because there's something that i sought after we had talked of the day that i thought was really interesting. so in hebrews 6. most people know the first part of this chapter, but inflicted and without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to god must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him and so basically if you're reading and 11. it talks about what faith is.

it gives a bunch of examples of great people of faith throughout history and it talks about drawing near to him, and pleasing him. but what most people don't do is they don't take the time to go read the chapter before and if you if you read in hebrews 11. it's talking about people shrinking back, instead of drawing near.

it shows the other side. the flipside of the coin and it's got hold your either all in or you're out, you're either drawing near to god or your shrinking back, and it says in i could reach this real quick. in hebrews 10 verses 37, 38, says, yet a little while in the coming one will come and will not delay but my righteous one shall live by faith. and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him. while i mean think about what the lord say that you say you need to pursue me. you need to draw near to me.

i'm not going to get that. i'm just reading my bible my bible study once a week or my devotional and maybe going to church. i have to be intentional in my day-to-day life seeking god and that that looks different for each person, but it intentional and it's a lifestyle you can liken it to a merit i can't just spend time with my husband once a week and expect that our relationship to be strong. if i give them one hour of my time. you know that's not gonna work on market were knocking to develop a strong relationship were knocking to really be going through like you got a were not to be doing like you gotta and doubt it's the same thing it out to build a relationship. you gotta take that time you got to know each other and spend time and it's the same with the lord, you know he want that intimate relationship with the he wanted more, then the more you know his boy and more comfort in your urine. steer it more and you can get that direction that you need that we all so desperately need you. if you spend time with and you'll know his boy and you'll understand what to do and what he's telling us to do know for each individual person as we go through these time, these times are way different than when i was a child i mean were living in times where things are really rapidly changing and it can be very terrifying if you do not know who you if you do not know the laws. the lord actually terrifying to live anytime right now, the walking peak. it can, and i agree. i think you when you said you grew up catholic. as i write that and you had an experience i felt called as a teenager to the lord.

i didn't know what kind what way. i just felt like he was drawing and i know i'm and i served in the church as the eucharistic minister is actually youngest one in our church to starve and one day i was cleaning up after church and i didn't answer anything the lord is open my eyes and i just it just didn't write it didn't feel like i belong there and i didn't know i just i didn't feel the life of the i didn't feel alive they didn't like the life of god was there and i just i knew that i needed and fell on he had open my eyes. i didn't do anything and he just let me know that that was in it that wasn't the way he was calling me and fell. i had left at the church and the lord led me in fear where i built where i need to be and i was able to growling actually early on in my walk on. i think it was only a few months into my faith when it happened. i was in college and i was failing a class and i was a really good student and for me to fail is very unusual and this was an elective that i needed to have for my degree so i couldn't just trash it how to get through it without looking about withdrawing and it was really past the point where i could get my money back and you kinda think i can take the hit. the lord told me not to do that. he said to stand in trust can to stand firm and delete 10 and i went to the dean and the guy was basically saying i didn't even say anything about god or not, and i just talk about withdrawing the cost that and he said i talked about possibly not withdrawing and he said you better stop waiting for a miracle and you better just get your tail out of that class that you you don't fail and i can be behind him and he was working and trying to discourage me from believing god like that. thank you for your time. i could recognize that i stood strong. i worked my tail off doing everything i could. i believe you got asked on his word. everything looks horrible and i literally had a nap and style i talked to the teacher and she said you better study hard so i did.

i did what i could. i only needed if the mind at all. i needed at all. i want god to give me honestly just a pocket when it was all said and done got gave me a b- is iced down his word. i don't even how he didn't like. basically, You will be mine literally like three week though it was it was a miracle of my first planet know the word against everything that went to look like with failure. i stood on what he said he did even better than when i asked him for dell let you know you think that we go through the experiences they hear you more.

the bigger gap.

you grow in your fate. you know your your your scanning on faith will get stronger and stronger. it will be bigger on as you growled, but that's just like muscle you have to develop them to grow them.

they have to be strengthened.

that's we know god, i'm glad michael had started to say that's that's that's really good a way that i was looking forward to that story from last night you told me it itself but the tigerman were you when you were growing up. you were not a christian and you you told me a story once on about when you were playing football and the short version because i and i know i'm going quickly here. but i grew up in a home that was not christian. i actually was mostly raised by my grandfather and he had a real problem with the church and christians and i was taught nothing but bad things about christians, the hypocrisy and just don't trust him and everything so i was very jaded and i was actually i was professed atheist.

by the time i was in high school was very proud of that and i had a very rough home life very turbulent. not a good situation and you know when people try to talk love god.

i didn't want anything to do with it and i played football all my life growing up all through high school and we were in my last game of my senior year.

it was the champion is the game right before the state championship and we were we were down by one score and football was absolute.

my passion and i remember you know thinking up begins long like we need the ball one more time we score. we can we can win and we can go to the state championship and i was like the biggest thing in our life.

and i remember like the very next play. the other team fumbled the ball.

my friend jumped on the ball. he recovered it and as i was walking off the field. i looked up to the heaven. i put my hands together additional prayer and i said thank you. i don't know who i was banking and here's the great thing about that is not split-second. the photojournalist was covering our high school. he snapped the photo. i had no idea until monday when the newspaper came out and we were front page and it's the headline that tiger hebert or hebert seeking divine intervention and i was so mad i was. the front page of the newspaper was first seeking divine intervention that though all the kids at school are like all men i thought you weren't into that here get out of yourself it wasn't trying to hear it then, but the lord was prophetically in i'm just so glad that he did exactly what he said he was going to do and you know for me i didn't grow up in the church.

i didn't grow up with a godly man or woman to teach me. i had to seek the lord know is i've tried to do it for myself and that's what we've done we've just tried to be really intentional because we can read through all the great names of god all the jehovah's big names in all the awesome things he's done.

but until we experience it just not real to us and not the whole thing that's in you know in just thinking we got about a minute and 1/2 left, but you i've heard that up to 40% of the people who listen to the station are not christians and maybe some of them are listening to just make fun or whatever but i but i do believe that just like you when you're in that situation and and you prayed and in when you were in the military. we can talk about that another time. but where a guy came up to you and in Telling you about jesus that that if someone is listening today they're listening for reason and so with one minute left, tiger, what would you say to those folks.

god loves you so much and i know that might sound strange, you might think about all the things that come with christianity, just that that all aside for a second think the god of the universe loves you. he has a plan for you. he's known you since before you were formed in your mother's room. he has a land for your life and it's not for the stuff you pick.

it is good. it is not frivolous to give you an expected and he loves you which you have to be willing to come to him. you have to be willing to know you have to be willing to build a relationship with him and things he has in store for your life will blow your mind and it will exceed every thing in your life right now. whatever's in your life that you think that you love that is great. it will take the every because we love you so much. tiger hebert and elaine thank you guys so much, love you and that we hope to talk to has reminded us how fragile and unpredictable life is not about your loved ones in their financial security plan for the teacher with erc line 1873 the polish roman catholic in america has been protecting its members and their families financially doing erc like today of affordable life insurance community right in additional member can lower your income to retirement income are like transferring 3.75, one year here hundred dollar man on the prc or how your level are a record 74 erc life protecting life. this is the truth network say what would you do if you were a new christian and you didn't have a bible like a woolworth.

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