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February 3, 2021 1:00 am

Mike Zwick and Robbie discuss the importance of seeking God's presence and following His guidance, emphasizing that it's not about earning salvation but rather accepting God's gift of grace. They explore the role of the Holy Spirit in our lives, citing examples from the Bible and personal experiences, and encourage listeners to cultivate a deeper relationship with God through prayer, reading the Bible, and obedience.

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And Mike, what you thinking? Man, tell you what, I enjoyed being on Kingdom Pursuits. We really enjoyed that. Did you have fun, Robbie? I always, it was one of the joys of my life is actually to see how God takes somebody's passion and uses it to build the kingdom. And today was no different that I got to see, you know, my friend who I get to do the show with and, you know, how you love the word. And here we are.

Yeah. I mean, I was looking at Ezekiel 33, seven through nine, and it says, son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel. So hear the word that I speak and give them warning from me. When I say to the wicked, you wicked person, you will surely die and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways. That wicked person will die for their sin and I will hold you accountable for their blood. But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved. And so one of the things that I was thinking about this morning was that it's kind of crazy. It's like so many times I'm like, I want people to get saved.

I want people to come to Christ and stuff like that. But when I read that and I know it's in the Old Testament and I know it's not necessarily talking about Christ, but you can take that same thing to the gospel and sharing the good news is that, Robbie, it's not our responsibility for how people respond to the gospel, but it is our responsibility to tell them in some way. And I think that's what we do here at The Truth. But, you know, we were talking about there's other ways we can do that as well. Is that right?

Yeah. I mean, we all have people in our life that, you know, we kind of tell that they could either—and again, I always find it interesting that Matthew 28, the Great Commission, was go make disciples. It doesn't say go make converts.

It says make disciples. And so it's not just a matter of necessarily helping them come to Christ, but actually helping them, you know, whet their appetite for the Word of God and whet their appetite for prayer and whet their appetite for how they can experience God and walk with them in that as, you know, I've seen you do with so many in your Bible study and all those different things. So, you know, there's a real opportunity and a real joy that's headed for those people that follow those instructions, which is to go, you know, and make disciples. And it's one of the joys I get to experience in my own life is to watch people grow that way.

That is the truth. And, you know, I was actually reading today, I was looking in Scripture, and it said in Scripture, I think it was Matthew 26, it said that all of his disciples left him. I mean, you know, and when I look at that, I'm sitting there thinking like, well, hold on, they're a little bit different than we were, Robbie. I mean, they actually were there with Jesus. They saw the miracles. They saw him feed, was it the 5,000 from a few fishes and loaves, and they, you know, they saw him raise Lazarus from the dead. And, you know, I'm looking now and he's saying in Matthew 26, are you still sleeping and resting? Look, the hour has come and the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us go.

Here comes my betrayer. They couldn't even stay awake for a little while. And these people, these people knew Jesus. They knew him.

They knew he was the Son of God. And it's like, but, but they turned away from him. And it's like, man, it's, it's, we were just having a conversation with a Lady Ninette about how that we believe that we're living in the last days.

And, and it says in Scripture that many will turn away in the last days, but we're to stay, we're to stand firm until the end. Is that right? Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, I, those instructions where it says the love of many will grow cold, that's just scary to me in times where we're all wearing masks, you know? And churches aren't meeting the way that they used to meet. And when it said, you know, don't forsake you, gathering yourselves together. And it's, and they're all over the place is telling you, those people that are in some type of a loving community are the ones that are flourishing in this time. Yet our churches, you know, seem to be running scared. And I understand they got weights and they got to deal all that with God and whatever. But to me, I just feel unbelievably blessed that I get to sit here.

Yeah. And with the site, like my own people all the time and my groups are very much intact, the ones that I really get life from. However, you know, we're still all separated and the love of many has gone cold. I can tell you that, you know, when I, when COVID hit, you know, I had a Sunday school class with special needs people where we would regularly have 18 to 20 people that were in it. But based on the structure of the church I go to, you know, all we could do was Zoom. Well, you can't do Zoom with somebody who's autistic or certain types of autistic people because it sends them into a rage or something like that. You, other people couldn't do it because of other, you know, some of our Down syndrome students. And so unfortunately, I only get to meet with a handful of them, you know, based on that structure, unless I go around and try to see all these people personally every single week, you know, individually. Because the opportunity to do that, and so I'm thinking there's a lot of people out there that are like me that are struggling with communities that they used to normally meet to, but now out of fear, it's just not happening.

Yeah. And I think that's a good point. I think one of the things that I was thinking about is creative evangelism, you know, and we were talking about this a little bit before, but, you know, let's just say 30 years ago. I mean, there was a time where if I wanted to tell somebody about Jesus, I would actually have to go up to them face to face and tell them about Jesus, which by the way, I believe is the best way to do it. But on the other hand, nowadays, we have ways where we can put a video on social media. We can make a post saying God is good. I mean, we can, you know, and I was talking with you about this before. I mean, we have people who download podcasts throughout the whole week.

I'm sending this podcast to everybody that I know. Why? Because it's important. I mean, when I was looking at Ezekiel 33, seven through nine before, it's saying that, hey, you know, God doesn't hold me accountable for how people respond to the gospel. God holds me accountable for doing my part. And I'm not saying that this is a work based salvation. I mean, I'm saved by grace, just like anybody is. I mean, I can't earn it.

And if I had to earn it, I'd be in the deepest pit of hell right now. I mean, that's that's that's 100 percent fact. But we were talking about this, I think, on your show about how, Robbie, about how it's like when I used to have to when I was in college, I would read all of these books and I would read the books because I wanted to get an A on the test so I could get out of school, get through school and make a lot of money. Now I read these books on my own.

I read the Bible on my own because I enjoy it. And I know we talk about when we do the show together, man, this is fun. I mean, we you know, we actually get sponsors for this. I mean, this is this is this is awesome.

Yeah, it really is. And, you know, I was thinking about Noah. It says it and I don't know if you knew this, but, you know, Noah spelled backwards is grace in Hebrew. And so you get this sense of, you know, that Noah was the one that found favor in God's eyes in his generation. Right. And he was in a pretty messed up generation.

I remember everybody else was. So he really was God's favorite. But in order to be God's favorite, he had it says he he found favor in God's eyes.

Well, how would that happen unless he was looking for it? Yeah. Right.

Yeah. And so what I have noticed with the disciples that I know is that they love to walk with God. And if you look at the word walk, OK, with God, like like Noah walked with God in Hebrew, it's really beautiful thing, because it's a sense of God is saying, behold, Mike. Hey, take a look, Mike. Look, I'm a share something with you here. OK, that's what the word behold. Yeah, I want to communicate with you. Yeah.

Yeah. So he does. And then the next letter is a lament, which means his heart. So God wants to share his heart with you.

That's right. If you're going to walk with him. So take a walk with me.

No, I'm going to show you my heart with you. See, I got a real problem with this generation, you know, and and so I'm gonna make it rain. Well, you know, I was like, God, so what's rain? Yeah, you know, you get you get the picture. And then, you know, this last letter of the word walk is a blessing.

It's a it's a it's it's the letter that is called a cough. But it means that God's literally going to open up his hands, his palms. And like he's give if you can picture me right now, opening up my palms and saying, here you go. Sure. OK. And that's what a blessing is.

Yeah. OK. And so if you're in God's presence and he's opening up his hands to you. So see what he was doing with Noah as he was blessing him because he was sharing his heart and his plans, just like Jesus said, you're now my friends.

Well, you know how you know my you're my friends. It's because I'm telling you what's going on. This is what's happening now. I mean, this is what's going on. Well, the only way that we can do that right now is either through prayer.

Yeah. Or through looking at the Bible. I'm studying it and reading it. And as you do that, right, you get a blessing. I mean, God will open up things. And you know this all too well, because you're lining up scripture for me right now. He will open up things in your mind.

That's right. That just actually like, oh, wow, that's how that works. Or, oh, wow, God, I didn't know, you know, and it's like being on the first date every time. When you were saying that, I was looking at Jeremiah 29, 13, and it says, you will seek me and you will find me when you seek me with all of your heart. And one of the best ways or the best way to find God is to read his word. I remember when I first became a Christian, I would read hours and hours a day.

I just couldn't get enough of it. And now I, you know, I hear people say, well, I have to read my Bible 15 minutes a day. Or like, I have to do this. And it's like, you get to do it, man. You get to do these things and you get to spend time with God.

I mean, you know, I've heard people who, you know, who have said, well, you know, it's kind of cool. I've got to meet all these famous people. I've got to meet Condoleezza Rice or Ben Carson or Donald Trump or whoever it is. And they say, I got to spend time with them. And how was it?

It was so cool. Well, when you read his word, you actually get to spend time with God. Do you get to hear the things that he said? I mean, Jesus said it himself.

He said, I have, when he was out with people, they said, why don't you just tell people straight up with what you're saying? And this, this, I think probably confuses a lot of people, Robbie, but Jesus said, he said, no, he said, I've, I've spoken to them in parables, but when we read the word, we get to see what he's really saying. And, and, and, and that's pretty cool, man.

Yeah. And, and it's so beautiful that only, you know, how many times you can read it, but he continues to reveal himself from so many different facets of the same passage, something that you can go to time and time and time and time again. And so, you know, one of my favorite passages, um, always is Isaiah 11. And I got really interested in it because, you know, when John goes up to the throne of God in the book of Revelation and he's hanging out and he says that there's this lamp up there, that's got seven branches and, and those seven branches are the spirits of God. And so, you know, I went, you mean there's seven spirits of God? What exactly does that mean? And you got seven lights that, you know, what does exactly that mean? So I did what we can do now. They couldn't do this back when John wrote that.

They didn't have Google, but we have Google now. So I just Googled it as the, what does this mean? Who are the seven spirits of God? And it took me to Isaiah 11. Well, when you think about the name Jesus, it means the anointed one, right? So where is the anointing? How did Jesus get anointed? So you might think it was it as a baptism and I sure do, but what came down on him like a dove? It was the Holy Spirit.

Right. Well, that's a spirit. So interestingly, in Isaiah 11, if you look at it, it says, right out of a branch of Jesse, there came this anointing, a spirit of wisdom, the spirit of knowledge, the spirit of counsel, the spirit of strength or battle. But my favorites get to be number six and number seven, which is the fear of the Lord. And then the one that just flips my switch is the delight in the fear of the Lord.

We're talking about Isaiah one through three or four. So what does that mean? The delight in the fear of the Lord. Now, this is the seven spirits of God. Well, it seems like a circular argument almost because, you know, wisdom, the beginning of wisdom is what? The fear of the Lord. So wait a minute. That's the six spirit is the fear of the Lord and wisdom is, you know, so it seems to add up and then you get all of a sudden this delight in the fear of the Lord.

Well, let me get you something. If you take all those other anointings, like if you see what God hates, often you'll find one, two, three, four, five, six, add up to number seven. So wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, fear of the Lord, add up to a delight in the fear of the Lord. Okay, now a delight in the fear of the Lord is like, my dad is so big and so bad, I don't care what you got. Yeah, yeah, because even Satan can't deal with God. And it's not even close.

Not even even run for the money. So a delight is like, no matter what's going on with the election, no matter what's going on, like they would write, you know, in the days of Nero, right? Paul was in jail under Nero and he's telling, look, you need to pray for the government. Yeah. Because God's doing something.

That's right. And God's doing something right now. He is.

Yeah, he is. And you were talking about the Holy, the seven spirits or the Holy Spirit. Look at this, Mark 13 11, but when then shall lead you and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak. Neither need ye premeditate, but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye, for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Well, you're talking about the devil. I mean, he said, you don't even have to prepare, man. It's like the Holy Spirit is just going to tell you what to say. And, and, and, and, and, which brings me to the other point when I, what I always remember where you talking about, you were at the beach that time and you know, the seagulls are just kind of hanging out up there and they're just kind of flying on the wind.

They don't even have to do any work. God's doing all the work for them by giving them the wind and they're just chilling. Mark 13 is saying, we don't even, I know I love to prepare Robbie and I love to play it. I love to do all these different things, but I can't tell you how many times we've come here on the show and we both said, I don't know what we're talking about. And you turn the microphone on and the Holy Spirit does the rest.

Yeah. I mean, that is the deal. Cause that is, you know, the opportunity that the beauty of it from my perspective is I know God loves people that are seeking him and people turn on the truth network because they want to hear from God. They don't want to hear from Robbie.

They don't want to hear from Mike. I hope, you know, I'm hoping that you tuned in, hoping to hear something that you could feel or understand or walk with God closer because that's the whole deal is he, he is completely trying to get our attention and you might know David's heart is really a beautiful thing was to build the temple. I mean, he just wanted, that was his deal. Like God, I want to build a temple for you. And he was like, no, not you boy.

You've been a man. So we're gonna let your son do that. But it's like, God, I want to build you a temple. I want to build you a temple. That was David's heart. Well, you really think about that temple that Solomon did in fact build the building, but what did David build? David built the worshipers. You see, it was his songs.

Yeah. It was his singers. It was his love of God. It was his devotion to God that everybody watched in Israel for whatever period of time. They saw this guy who had danced just about naked in front of God over this thing.

They saw a guy whose passion looked crazy, but then they saw how God blessed him and blessed him and blessed him in spite of his shenanigans. Yeah. Right. I mean, they all knew. I mean, you could imagine the rumors that were going around about Bathsheba and all that stuff.

However, right. He asked, in that Psalm where he's asking God, I think it may be Psalm 33, I apologize, I should know it off the top of my head, but I don't, the one where David was confessing the whole thing with Bathsheba. That's Jesus, was it Psalm 51? It might be. Yeah.

But he says, don't take your Holy Spirit from me. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so what's that telling us? Yeah.

It's... He's already got it. Yeah, he's got it.

He's got it. He couldn't take it away. You couldn't take it away.

You can't... He could still sense the Holy Spirit was with him, and so he was begging God, don't take away my buddy. You know, it's funny, I never really saw it that way, but Psalm 51 is probably one of the most famous Psalms and one of the most famous chapters in the Bible.

Here it is. Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love, according to your great compassion, blot out my transgressions. Oh, that's nice. I think Jesus might have something to do with that, too. Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin, for I know my transgressions and my sin is always before me. Against you, you only have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight.

So you are right in your verdict and justified when you judge. Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time that my mother conceived me, yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb. You taught me wisdom in that secret place. Cleanse me with hyssop and I will be clean. Wash me and I will be whiter than snow. Let me hear joy and gladness.

Let the bones you have crushed rejoice. Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquity. Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.

That's it. I mean, you know, man, I tell you what, it's the Holy Spirit in us can do more with us than we could ever do with a thousand years on our own. Yeah, I used to be really jealous of Moses. Like, you know, how come I don't get a tower of fire and I don't get a pillar of smoke? Like, man, when I'm out there at night, it'd be really nice to know what direction I'm supposed to go if I could get a tower of fire and I could get a pillar of smoke. However, you know, the Holy Spirit was a deposit, the first deposit, and if I really stopped and look, because he can put a tower of fire right there, this is where you're supposed to go, Mike, but if you don't look for it, you got nothing. And the Holy Spirit's exactly like that. If I don't look for it, okay, God, you know, I can't lift this rock. I need your help. I need your help, and then all of a sudden the Holy Spirit, you know, climbs into action and, you know, it grieves me to think how many times I've quenched it, even though there was that tower of fire, it was right there if I just looked.

That's it. What you're saying is that Isaiah 55, 6, it says, Seek the Lord while he may be found, call on him while he is near. And I actually heard Billy Graham years ago talk about this.

One of the things that he said is that there's only a few moments in your life where you're heart is tender enough to be able to listen to the Holy Spirit and to respond positively to the gospel and to say yes to Jesus and to follow Jesus. I mean, you think about it, and I've used this example before where there was a group of kids and a group of students and a teacher, and the teacher found out and asked them who did their homework in this class and who didn't. And so they found there was a group of kids who did their homework and there was a group of kids who didn't. And so they said, okay, today we're all taking a hike. And they ended up going up some mountain. And it's funny because what you would have thought is you would have thought that the kids who had done their homework would not have to carry their bags. But what the teacher did was they said, Nope, the kids who did their homework, you're going to carry your bags and the bags of the kids who didn't do their homework.

And so they started up the mountain and after a while, the kids who didn't do their homework absolutely hated it. And what happened is, is we don't want somebody, we don't want to have to look to somebody else to find salvation. We don't want to have to, you know, have God take care of our problems.

We want to figure it out on our own. And so it's hard, I think, Robbie, to humble ourselves to the point where we say, Lord, I can't do this without you. I can do nothing on my own, Lord. I need you for my salvation. I'm never going to earn this on my own. But Jesus, you died on the cross for our sins. You did it.

Yeah, it reminds me of a story I actually told on Christian Car Guy's show today, which just is pointed. I was in third grade. I wanted to dig a tunnel to China. It was really what I wanted to do.

Yeah. And so like little kid, I start digging out in my backyard. My buddies joined me. And next thing I know, we got about four feet down with a tunnel to China.

Didn't know it was communist back then, but I was. And we came across this giant rock, and we tried digging it, forking it, and everything we could possibly do, push it, nothing with the rock. So we got some M80s, tied them all together, created a huge explosion. Now, what I've heard this, I wish my father would have come out there and said, son, have you tried everything to move this rock?

You know what I would have said? Yeah, dad, I've tried everything. I mean, I used ropes. I dug. I used a lot of ropes. I dug.

I even used M80s. And if he was a wise dad, he would have said to me, which my dad was very wise, but we didn't actually have this conversation, just something that I think illustrates your point. He said, well, you didn't try everything. Right.

Because you never asked for help. Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

Yeah. And so there's so many things that we write, do, do, do, do, do, to think that we can clean up our act and we can be ready for God. But the deal with Christianity is it's done. And the word truth comes with a cross at the end of it.

It's called a tav. And so the truth is I can't do it. I need what Jesus did, which was to die. Right. And so that I can accept his death, right?

If I seek to lose my life, then I can gain it through what Jesus did for me. And through that, right. Acceptance of, yeah, he did do that for me.

Right. I know he did it. He is the son of God and it was paid for. Then I can, in truth, have my own cross, right? Because it's at the end of the word and I can have a relationship with the truth. And the truth will set you free. What I heard, Mike. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

And man, it's so much easier living with Jesus. And I was just telling this on your show, The Kingdom Pursuits. But there's actually a true story about it was Andrew Jackson.

Did I tell you about that? No, it was Andrew Jackson. And he had actually in 1833, he pardoned a man by the name of George Wilson. George Wilson had robbed a mail carrier and almost killed him and stuff like that.

But this guy, George Wilson, knew some people. And so Andrew Jackson pardoned him and something funny happened. George Wilson refused the pardon. He said, no, I don't, I don't, I don't want to be pardoned.

It's a true story. He said, I refuse the pardon. And so it was actually taken to the Supreme Court, the United States versus George Wilson. And what the Supreme Court actually found and what they said was that if somebody does not want to be pardoned, they do not have to be pardoned. And shortly thereafter, George Wilson was actually hung for his crime and he died.

And you, you listen to that and you say, man, how stupid is that? Why would anyone not want to be pardoned of their crime where they could just get out of jail for free? Well, 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ came to the earth. He died for our sins. He was buried. He rose from the dead. And he said, all you have to do is believe in me. And if you believe in me, you will receive a full pardon and you'll have eternal life.

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