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So lower your taxable income while increasing your retirement. PRCUA.org. That's PRCUA.org. Welcome to If Not For God, stories of hopelessness that turn to hope. Here is your host, Mike Zwick. If Not For God today with Mike Zwick in our very, very special, great to have him back, Pastor Dana Coverstone, who certainly has had several dreams and interpretations of the times that are quite outstanding as far as beginning to see some things and for such a time as this, right? It's today we're recording. This is actually January 6.
We're recording it at approximately 10 15. So as we speak and we're praying for our country, there's a whole lot going on here, Mike. And I'm so grateful that, you know, we got such wonderful saints willing to humble themselves and seek God's face in such a time. Absolutely. And Robbie, you know, you were actually the one we were talking last week and you said, hey, Mike, why don't we get Dana Coverstone back on and ask whatever happened to Dana Coverstone? But Robbie, you've actually seen some of Dana's dreams and you said, Mike, I think a lot of them are right on the money. Is that right, Robbie?
Oh, yeah. I mean, there's no doubt the interpretations are where, like my own dreams. And honestly, Mike, I have to say last night, not unlike Pastor Dana, I had two dreams last night. OK, what were they? They were terrifying, actually, and really disturbing to me because one of them, we were fleeing and we were in military uniforms I'd never seen before. And nobody seemed to know where they were going. And more importantly, nobody even seemed to know what we were fleeing from. But there was just terror. And I really got upset at myself when I woke up because I never called on God in the dream. And it just seemed so hopeless and so much desolation.
So I was bothered by that. I said, God, where was my family in this? Where were you in this? And so I laid back down and had another dream.
This time my family was in the dream. Once again, we were fleeing, this time without the military, just everybody terrified and everybody in desolation. And so this morning, like I would, I got with God to try to get some interpretation, looked up those words in Hebrew, both terror and desolation, and realized that when you don't know where home is, people didn't know where they were running to. That it's desolation. I really got a sense from God that for such a time as this, we have got to get people the information that they're going to be terrified if they don't know how to get home.
And they are going to be in desolation if they don't know how to find Jesus. And really that stands for whatever happens today. And so, you know, I was just like, wow, it's big stuff going on. I know, pastor, I felt an open door at one o'clock this morning. I woke up and it was like, for whatever reason, I felt so many people were praying for the country right now.
There's such an open door. And that was what I prayed those prayers at that time, fell asleep and had those dreams. Wow.
Wow. And I've, I've had dreams for a long time, long time now. And, and Dana, a lot of the dreams that I've had, they haven't been good. I mean, it's just been one of the most one of the most recent dreams that I had was with Biden in office and, or it was Biden in the dream and AOC for whatever reason they were in the dream. And it was just a state of shock. Things were uncontrollable and nobody could get things under control. But the good news is, is that we know who has everything under control. Is that right, Dana?
Absolutely. And you know, a lot of times too, with our dreams, and I've tried to specify this recently, I've learned a whole lot about dreams in the last six months, but dreams were very symbolic. You think of Pharaoh's dreams. Pharaoh had a dream of six, seven lean cows eating seven fat cows.
Well, that didn't really happen, literally happen. But Joseph, who was, had a background in agriculture and farming was able to say, okay, Pharaoh, here's what this means. There's going to be seven great years and seven years of famine. So here's what you need to do.
We need to take seven years of good and store up grain that we can feed ourselves and other nations that need help. And so a lot of the dreams were symbolic, but also something that I've noticed, just like this morning, I've been sent probably 35 interpretations of the dream that I had yesterday. I've also been sent about 60 emails with people who have dreamed, just like the both of you talked about, running, fleeing, terrible things are happening.
This is going on. And so one of the constant themes of a lot of people's dreams the last six months have been difficulty, frustration, fear, terror, desolation, you know, things like that. I think it's just God's way of trying to wake us up. But the fact he's trying to wake us up, he woke Pharaoh up. He gave a heathen king a dream, like Pharaoh, about the famine that was coming. Now, why would God wake up a heathen king with the dream unless there was a godly man who could interpret that dream and say, hey, Pharaoh, here's what it means.
Here's what you need to do now. So I think God's given so many people dreams to wake people up. I'm not the only person dreaming. And I've always had dreams since I was 15 years old and became a Christian. I've never had dreams like I've had the last six months.
But the thing I'm noticing from other people, others are having dreams. And they indicate difficulty, frustration, hard times, almost like a moment when you go into Babylon. Daniel and those three guys we just earlier talked about Saturday and Sunday ago, they had to walk into Babylon knowing they were hostages, knowing they were recognized as enemies of the state, but yet they had to change their culture, their language.
And yet during that time, they stayed faithful to God. Well, I keep trying to encourage people who say, oh, all your dreams are just horrible, horrible, horrible. No.
Yeah, they tell some horrible things. But the word of God tells me that I can have hope because Christ is in my heart, Christ is in my life. And does this mean that we won't see martyrdom here? No, I think we're going to see martyrdom happen in this country.
That's just part and forth of the course. God always informs us that he is with us. He'll never leave us or forsake us. So no matter what happens in America, starting today or tomorrow, whatever, no matter what happens, God's still on the throne. And yes, he doesn't make things happen, but God allows things to happen. And we can read history and understand the consequences of lives that live for God and lives that are not lived for God and what happens to the nations. We know also that God's word says that judgment begins in the house of God. And I fully personally believe on the context of that passage that the context is suffering a persecution because when God allows persecution in the church, it cleans us up, it cleanses us, but it also spreads the church, it scatters it, puts it in places it could never go.
It would have gone on its own. So although it's not fun to say, oh yeah, Lord, bring judgment, bring persecution, the Chinese church has been praying for decades that God would allow persecution to come to the American church because they knew that we were soft. And when you're soft, you can't do the things you need to do. So an interesting time that we live for sure. And this week, this probably could be one of the most pivotal weeks in American history. Yep, and right and actually right before we started the broadcast, I was going to use another chapter, but I actually go to Daniel chapter three and it's verse 16 and it says, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego replied to him, King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God that we serve is able to deliver us from it and he will deliver us from your majesty's hand. But even if he does not, we want you to know your majesty that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold that you have set up. And then we know the rest of the story where Nebuchadnezzar, he threw him into the fire and they're walking around in the fire and they said, there's somebody else in the fire too.
It looks like a son of man. And they were okay. And then the people who got them thrown in the fire ended up getting thrown into the fire. So we know, we know the end of the story.
We know how it, how it ends for us as Christians in Revelation 21, 22, when Jesus comes back and that he's going to take us up with him in glory and that it's going to be wonderful, but it does promise persecution in scripture for us as Christians. But you did have a dream. You actually had a couple of dreams, but the one dream that you had that I thought was really prophetic and was really good was about a separation of church and state. Is that right?
The church and the state? I did. I did have one. And do you want to share that? Sure.
Okay. I saw the United States Capitol building and it was fully lit up. The tower part had large arms attached to it. And the arms were very muscular arms and short sleeves and very rough looking hands. And the building was flying a, the flag that Betsy Ross designed with the 13 stars and a circle in the top left-hand corner.
And across from the congressional building of the Capitol building was a traditional style looking church. And you had the, we also had arms attached to the steeple and those arms were just as muscular, very similar arms on the Capitol building. Both had rough hands and arms that knew, when you looked at the hands and the arms, you knew these hands and arms knew how to work. They knew the hardship. They weren't dirty, but they were dry.
Obviously had been working in the fields on equipment. And behind the church were religious leaders wearing red light, wearing red. There's just like some Catholic cardinals, early 1900s preachers with the black jackets and coats and the tie. And behind the Capitol building were older style congressman senators from the same timeframe.
And the clothing that seemed older, it was, it was to the period of which they lived. They looked very professional. Each group was cordial, kind, nice to each other. And they shook hands. They seemed to get along.
They stood in their locations, respecting each other, supporting. And the sky above then began to move. And if you've ever seen the movie, The Time Machine, based on the H.D. Wells book, it kind of spins and everything gets real fast and you see time change.
The scenes slow down. I saw the Capitol building arms for now long sleeves, and they had very expensive cuff links, gold and diamonds, and they even had manicured hands. All of a sudden these hands went from rough in the dirt hands to polished, nice, clean, very smooth, very soft manicured hands. Roughness was entirely gone. The building was well maintained and lit.
Both times I saw it slowly lit up. It looked like it was taken care of very polished. The church though had the same kind of muscle arms, but they still had the same rough hands.
They seemed dry and cracked and working. And the hands were just always moving. The arms were just moving all the time, doing something. The Capitol suddenly put their hands together, popped their knuckles, and then pointed to the church in an accusing way. And the church hands kept moving and working.
And there was even blood on their hands that they'd been working, they'd been making sacrifices to do the work they were doing. And the Capitol hands then went up and basically told them to stop moving. And the church hands had said, you know, we need to do something to get by the Capitol. There's things we've got to do.
There's work we've got to do. But the Capitol stood its ground. And the church tried to politely make its way around the building. And finally, the Capitol just pushed hard against the church, and the church went to the ground. They had done it for a few minutes, got back up, and got knocked back down.
And that scene replayed like this for a few more times. But the people behind the church seemed to be getting a little bit more timid, and the people behind the Capitol were looking more intimidating, arms folded, grimaces on their face. And then the church popped its knuckles, set its face toward the Capitol, and tried to walk by the state. And this time the church said strongly, we need to get by, and we're going to do it right, but we must be allowed to pass. And the state said very clearly, not on our watch.
That was a response. The state then grabbed the church by the throat and pushed it back down. But the church got back up and pushed against the state.
So now there's this conflict back and forth. The church then itself over leaned into the state, almost like it braced itself against them, was going to push. And as they pushed against each other, one of the Capitol arms reached around behind and put a seed, just this black seed, into the back pocket of the church. And some of those standing on the side of the church at that moment moved and got behind the Capitol. So almost as they changed sides, changed allegiances. The Capitol then said the church to stand down, and the church said, we won't.
And there was this standoff. I saw this large thorny vine started growing out of that back pocket of the church, coming up over its back, you know, kind of way, the vines and the branches. And the Capitol, when it saw this, it just kind of pushed back to the state and kind of did this, go ahead, go ahead and go on through. Now the flowers on the vine were red, and they kept biting the church, almost like a Venus flytrap, would just kind of squeeze on them. It started wrapping around the legs of the church, and it kept growing. It went up, came up behind its back pocket, came up behind its back, and went into its mouth. It was almost like a scene from Alien or something like that.
I mean, it's just, it's kind of creepy even in the dream. But it kept growing. It went into the mouth of the church and went down its throats. And I could see kind of transparently, it was circling the hearts and trying to grow the root into the heart itself.
And by this time, the Capitol wasn't even concerned about the church. You know, the church was struggling. The right hand was white, and the left hand was red. And they kept fighting back and forth. They kept, the vines were intertwining with their hands, the hands.
And so there's this fight. This plant's trying to grow around the church and choke it to death or whatever. And the leaves of the vine looked like they were flags, all little red flags with symbols on them. I had used them. What were the symbols?
They were not recognizable to me at all. But they were red flags. The leaves were red flags with symbols on them. And the left hand of the church was trying to pull the vine, the right hand church was pulling the vine out, and the red hand is grabbing, slapping the hand away and trying to keep it from pulling. And it resulted in a fight. And finally, the two hands, this one, were trying to protect the vine.
One's trying to protect it, one's trying to strip it away. And as they struggled, the Capitol kept looking at the church like it was assessing what's going on. But it kept handing out money.
And so the Capitol's handing out money and signing bills, shaking hands with business leaders and professional-looking people from many nations. It was business as usual because the church was struggling, so we just let it struggle. And then the church began to shake violently.
It was almost like a grand mal seizure. And the chest split open just enough to reveal this heart had been squeezed almost to death. The heart was not pumping very well. And the right hand took this knife and just pierced, pierced the vine root that was wrapped around the heart. And all of a sudden that vine began, let go of the heart, began to wither a little bit, and the red hand made this fist and started punching the steeple, trying to grab the white hand. But you could just see as the vine was dying, the left hand was dying too, that red hand.
And finally it just dropped to the side. And the church took a few steps, and the white hand pulled the root away, and then it kind of buttoned up its shirt again, and the church fell to its knees, and it asked for forgiveness for allowing the red root to grow in the pocket. And then that Christ figure appeared, and he embraced the church, and he also pointed at the capitol, and he said, you never wanted the church to succeed, but the gates of hell will not stop her.
And those who have seen the root will prune the vine and cut off the poisonous heart. And then he turned to the church and he said, be about my Father's business, stay pure, and fear not the state, for they know not what they do. And then the church walked slowly past the capitol and began to run after passing it by a few yards, so it was healing, you know, getting better. And then both hands were now white, laying at the feet of the capitol was the root of the seed that had been planted in the church's back pocket. And that Christ figure came up one last time and he said, stay braced, stay focused, and stay on task, for I'm coming soon. Wow.
Wow. That's, you know, and you had recently had a dream about, it was the birds in the mall, was that right? Yeah, I had that dream between Saturday and Monday night, yeah.
And that's the one I just released yesterday. And it was, I saw these two distinct flocks of birds that were flying above a four-lane interstate with a median between. Traffic was heavy, bumper to bumper, and everybody was driving faster than they should have, if you just tell by the way they were driving.
They were driving erratically, the drivers were coming and going, they seemed angry with white knuckle grips on the steering wheels, they were pounding the dash, screaming at other people. You got, you know, you got two lanes of traffic, one's going north, one's going south, so to speak. And these two groups of birds, they were all crows, very, very distinct crows, and they were in two tight groups, and there appeared to be like tens of thousands of birds in each group, and they're both just flying along the group that's going north, as you would be driving, you know, in your car. They were headed in the same direction as the traffic, and they were headed towards this tunnel.
I could see a tunnel like miles and miles ahead, huge, huge tunnel that both lanes of traffic were coming in and out of. And these birds, these flocks, they would bump each other, almost violently, almost like on purpose. And each time they would bump, a bunch of the birds would fall out, and they would just, they would drop dead on the ground.
And they did that continuously, and also the two groups at times were doing it on purpose. You could tell they would veer out and then come at each other, not head on, but just, you know, try to merge it and veer off. Then I saw on both groups that were heading towards the tunnel, I saw little flashes of lightning or fire, and one bird from each group would take off, and about 25, 30, maybe 50 birds would follow it. And those two lead birds were just doing crazy maneuvers.
They were dive-bombing towards the ground and going here and going there, and just running, you know, flying real fast. And then they would lead these birds, the birds started getting dizzy, you could tell, they were just not as fast. And finally, on the left side, that bird's leading right into the traffic, heading towards the semi, and the lead bird just flies straight up at just the last moment, and all those birds hit the truck, fall dead. The other bird on the right side is leading them towards an overpass, and right at the last second, fly straight up, and the birds hit the overpass and dive, and they go back to the group and get and lead more people off.
So that was just an interesting thing to see. But then the birds, they just kept flying towards the tunnel, carried all these four lanes of traffic, and I saw there were large, there were very, very large American flags going back over the history of the flags, just a bunch of them over this overpass, and underneath the overpass was this tunnel that all the birds were headed for. And then the flags, they were dirty, they were ragged, they were tattered, they were torn, but they were connected through strips that looked like candy canes, or the thing outside a barbershop, you know, the red and white thing, the spins, it looked like fabric like that, connected between all these flags, all the way across the overpass.
And the wind was blowing the flags, and they were ripped, they were being ripped violently, just up and down, you know, strong wind. And then the man that I've seen so often in the dreams, that Christ type figure, he appeared to be standing on the flags on the embankment, his foot up there, watching the birds coming towards him. He was standing on the cement, he was wearing this metal medieval type helmet, like a crusader's helmet. He was also wearing chain mail, and he also had this large metal spike in his hand, but attached to the side of his hilt was a large Scottish claymore, one of the largest swords that, you know, words ever used, a six-foot sword. So it was a Scottish claymore with a basket handle, and he had this large metal spike in his hand, and this huge metal maul, like you would hit to wedge something. If you're splitting wood, you'd use the maul to hit the wedge or whatever.
Huge thing. And as the birds got closer, he now looked like he was about 10 feet tall, and he took this position on top of the overpass, put this spike down, he's holding it in his hands, he lifts this maul, and he just begins to be, you know, pounding on it. Also from that maul, it looked like blood was dripping from it. And the traffic disappears, the road becomes like a runway, and in both groups of the birds, they kind of merge together, so you got to go from two groups to one. It looks almost from the shadow like a stealth bomber, fast and quickly heading towards that tunnel, okay? And then the guy just begins to pound this maul into this spike, and the ground is trembling, it's cracking open. You can see at the ceiling part of the tunnel, the debris and rubble starting to fall, but in that tunnel, there's a bunch of people, and they've got masks over their heads, over their faces, and not like a medical mask, their whole head is almost like a bag or something.
They've all got the white cane that someone that was blind would use if they're on the street, you know, just kind of walking. They've all got one of those, all these people are blind, and they can't see, and their heads are covered, and the ground just keeps shaking and shaking and shaking. He keeps driving the spike in, and the faster he pounds, the more debris, the more rubble the ground is erupting, and finally the tunnel begins to collapse.
The ground is shaking incredibly. He takes his helmet off, and he keeps, he takes the helmet off, and he just starts pounding more and more and more, and the people were unaware of the rocks falling on them, and they just continued to me, and they were just like, like, like blind. They were just walking with no idea something was falling, and when they got hit, they just fell to the ground. They were dead, and the birds kept coming and entered the tunnel right as the entire tunnel collapsed on all of them.
Everything was crushed flat on the rubble. The flags were now on fire, and they were burning to ash. They were actually disappearing, and the wind was coming along and blowing, and the ash was just kind of blowing away, and so there was nothing left of the flags, and then out of that rubble came the man. He put his helmet back on, and he placed them all on the ground, and he said, justice for all is coming, but will not be seen by the many who needed it desperately.
Bracing is required to stay the course, but it will be a course of consequence, and that's when I saw the ground begin to shake again, and I saw men, no military, no soldiers. I saw men somewhere in camouflage jackets. They had AR-15s over their shoulders, hats, boots, and they're lined up like British soldiers during the American Revolution, and they were taking up arms. They were lining up to fight, and then out of the background, I began to hear the sound of revelry.
I called four. I called a battle, and these men marched on. They just took a step, and they marched, and they marched, and they marched, and then I was hearing shouts in the background, the people yelling, and I woke up, and it was kind of like that first dream I had, you know, six months ago. When I woke up, my heart rate was just through the roof, and I was up probably for 24 hours. I woke up about 3 30 when I had that dream, and went in, typed it out, wrote it down, prayed about it, walked it, paced it, prayed, you know, prayed through it, and shared it that day.
Usually, I wait a little bit longer, but I just felt this one was important because the things that we're facing, especially this week in America. Yeah, and while you were talking about the past dream, Dana, the verse that came into my mind when you said that the church would not be overcome, it says in Matthew 16 18, and I say also unto thee that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. One of the things that I keep hearing, and we've got about two and a half minutes left, but one of the things that I keep hearing from people is you're going to see a separation in America of the real Christians versus those who were just playing it for Sunday morning.
What do you think? Absolutely, because persecution is what reveals the heart of the church. Persecution is what reveals the depth of the root in each believer's part in their mind and their spirit. Persecution is what reveals the absolute grip that a believer has on his faith, and anyone that's not committed to the point of death, we're told to endure even to the point of death. I think we're going to see a lot of people who, ah, I just went to church, that's all, you know, because they're going to find out it costs them too much, and faith is supposed to cost us something. It's supposed to cost us the disciplines that we have to instill into our lives on our walk. It costs us friendships and relationships oftentimes, but the most important thing, to have the discipline to be a Christian, we have to deny ourselves, take up a cross, and follow Him, and that's a hard road, and Jesus said, you can bring all you want on the wide road that leads to destruction, but the narrow road, you got to bend down to get the door, and that road is narrow.
You can't just, you know, you got to keep your eyes on the path, and you can't have luggage or baggage just in a way you get one side or the other. So Jesus said the many trials and tribulations are in the kingdom of heaven. He was serious about humanity, so persecution is going to bring us close to the Lord, I believe, and reveal who is His and who is not.
Absolutely, and Robbie, what do you think about that? Yeah, I think it's a wonderful opportunity for those listening who are thinking, you know, I don't have that kind of relationship with Christ, and you can make that decision right now, by the way, and say, I need a place to go home, I need a place to run if this kind of thing begins to happen, and I need a Savior that's strong enough to take on these kind of pictures that we've heard about today. So if you pray with us right now, Mike, Jesus, thank you, that we know you're in control and that you're going to win this, and we want to take on your yoke that's not heavy, and we want to take on your hope, and so we surrender our lives to you, ask that you would cleanse us in your blood from all that we've done to offend, and pray that you would show us the path that you would have us walk, help us to keep our eyes and hearts on you in these times, and we ask this in Jesus' name, if not for God, right, Mike? If not for God, thank you, Dana. Yes, thank you, Dana. Pastor. Thanks for being here, thanks for having me on our first day. This is the Truth Network.
