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I've got a Pastor Dean Odell back for part two of biblical cosmology. And I tell you what, I wonder if there's some people who think I've lost my mind, Pastor Dean.
Well, of course. I mean, when you start talking about something that's contrary to Something that's been rammed and jammed into everybody's head since they were children. that creation is w one way, the universe is one way, and Uh heliocentric, and you come along and say it's not, of course, people are going to think you're crazy. But let me just say this: I have PhD physics professors. Former teachers at West Point, Lieutenant Colonel in the Army.
former helicopter pilots, captains in the Air Force. Um I've had people, you know, commercial pilots I mean, we're not talking about. Dumb people who don't understand or don't know what's going on. We're talking about very educated people. Um some with security clearances in the military.
I've talked with three different former NASA employees that have blown the whistle on this stuff. I mean, the bottom line is this: that once you look at scripture, and then, as the Bible says in 1 Thessalonians 5, prove all things and hold fact to that which is good. You know, when you can take a high-zoom camera and telescopes like we've done, and lasers, high-level lasers. And go out to Mobile Bay and shoot across there, you know, 10 miles, 11 miles, 12 miles. When you can see Um I-10 bridge from the Fair Hope Beach, which is ten miles away, and the I-10 bridge sits.
sixteen feet off the water, when you can see it over ten miles away, According to the the math of a spherical earth that's 24,901 miles, the average it's supposed to be curving away from you is 8 inches per mile squared. When you do 10 miles, 8 inches per mile squared, that's 66.6 feet of curvature bulge that's supposed to be there.
So meaning. you should not be able to see the I-10 bridge. from Fair Hope Beach. at ten miles. And we can see it.
We can not only see it, A weekend, zoom in on it, watch the cars go back and forth, sit there all day and look at it. It's not a mirage, it's not a Uh it's not refraction. We sit there and film it and video it for hours on end. From 10 miles, not only can you see the I-10 bridge, You can see under it.
So we're what with these high-zen cameras like the Nikon P900 and the Nikon P1000 and even with binoculars, a good pair of binoculars, telescopes.
So what I'm saying is that you can see that what they're telling us about the Earth being a sphere. and what you can go test yourself. with high zoom equipment. and a laser. We shot a laser across At twelve miles across.
mobile bag completely flat. People have done these experiments across all over the world. I have friends that have done 24 miles, 16 miles. Let's just put it this way. That's why there's flat earthers exist, is because many have done their own experiments.
One guy, one guy did an experiment on a frozen lake. Where he set his camera down about one foot off the level of the frozen lake. Went down to five, six, seven, eight miles, put different colored lights at each. A mile marker and set them down on the surface of the frozen lake and could see the final, the last red light down was a red light down there, and he could see it. It should have been over thirty feet below.
his camera or his ability to see it.
So these kind of tests have been done. They're not refraction.
Some have caught this stuff by accident, like the professional photographer in the Chicago area called Joshua Nowicki. Has filmed the Chicago skyline from and photographed it from 60 miles away in Michigan. from the beach there in Michigan across Lake Michigan. And if you do the math at over sixty miles, we're talking about over 2,000 feet of curvature bulge that should be blocking the view of Chicago. In fact, the tallest building in Chicago is only 1,400 feet.
So we shouldn't see any of the buildings in Chicago from sixty miles away. And over and over again, Joshua Nowicki has caught this on film. He's even time-lapsed it. And here's what's wild.
Some people, again, they start you start talking about this. They start saying, oh, refraction, or oh, it's a superior mirage.
Well, number one, superior mirages are inverted, which means they're upside down and happen when there's a lot of humidity. and the temperature surface is is warmer than the air.
So that's when you get a lot of distortion. That's why in the winter time, when the temperature of the surface, whether it's land or water, when the temperature surface is lower than the air temperature, then you get crystal clear viewing. And so but what's wild is the sun will pass over and set behind the Chicago skyline.
So he has also caught the silhouette of the the sun behind Chicago skyline. from 60 miles which shows it's not a mirage it's not refraction And this is why these long distance tests These long-distance photography. I mean, if you just look at somebody, I'll look up the world records for long-distance photography. I mean, how are you seeing for, you know, 140 miles plus if the Earth is a sphere. It's impossible.
And let me give you this one too. The Navy, the Navy, and I have interviewed Navy missile instructors. I talk about this in my book, but The Navy admits that they have a laser weapon that they mount on a ship 80 feet off the water. And this laser is direct line of sight weapon. Lasers aren't curving.
They shoot in straight lines. And this laser weapon is can, they said, can shoot down Russian. and Chinese cruise missiles That are flying 50 feet over the water, and they can shoot them down over 100 miles away. And they have to do this because they're moving at Mach 4, Mach 5. and they get to the ship pretty co pretty quick.
And so, if the Navy admits that they can take a laser weapon and shoot down. Uh cruise missiles fifty you know, one hundred miles away, A hundred miles at eight inches per mile squared is six thousand sixty sixty six feet. which is almost a mile and a half. bulge it should be in front of you. There's no laser shooting in an arc.
That goes up 6,666 feet and then comes back down and hits a missile moving at Mach 4.
So This is what I'm talking about. When you dig into this, you find out that the truth is out there. The truth is out there and now Freedom of Information Act, FOIA documents like we talked about in last thing. But there's just again, there's so much truth it's out there. But again, as Christians, Yes, we can look at those evidences that are out there.
But we're supposed to be Bible believers. not NASA believers, not government school believers. Uh And this is what's blowing my mind: is that somehow people will, you know, people will go, well, how could there be a conspiracy so big?
Well, just look at the Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy. Look how big that is. Look how many world leaders, and wealthy people, and bankers, and powerful individuals have been involved in his sex trafficking pedophile network, That's That's also involved multiple Intelligence agencies across, you know, not just the CIA, but the Mossad and so on. When you look at how big that conspiracy is and still Uh we don't have people going to jail. You know.
The conspiracy to hide the true nature of creation has been something that's been conspired by World governments and world leaders and the powerful wealthy bankers and so on and so forth. And it's one of the major deceptions of all time. Let me ask you this. You found out about this. Was it 2015, 2014?
Was it somewhere in that area? Yeah, 2015. 2015. And I heard you say one time, you said that this is something. It's part of the last days.
Can you explain that? Yeah, here's the thing. The Bible talks about Jesus warned in Matthew 24 when they asked him, what will be the signs of your coming at the end of the age? The first thing he said was, take heed that no man deceive you, for many will come in my name and deceive many.
So he said that there would be even people come in his name that would deceive many.
Now, deceive means to lead astray from the truth. And we know the Bible is the truth.
So anything that leads you away from the truth of the Bible, of the scriptures, is a deception. Right, so then you go on down in Matthew 24, like verse 11, he says, and many false prophets will rise and deceive many. And then he goes on down in verse 24, and he says, False Christ and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive even the very elect.
So in Matthew 24, leading up to the second coming of Jesus, the thing he warns us about the most is is end time deception.
Well, What does this deception set up?
Well, if you look at it, just the deception that creation is not the way the Bible says leads people away from Scripture, from believing and trusting the Bible about creation. And it also has set up the lie that because there's billions and billions and billions of galaxies out there and there could be planets out there to sustain life, and so there could be aliens Extraterrestrials out there, and that they are now visiting us, and it's leading up to, and it's. The the whole heliocentric lie of the Big Bang theories of the universe. Have set up the end time deception of the aliens that are going to come and to save us. Right.
And so this it's huge. It's huge. But I was talking to my wife yesterday. We were talking about different things, and I said, okay, let's look at deception in general. Jesus warned about deception.
The Apostle Paul warned us about end time deception in 2 Thessalonians that there would be great, Satan would come with great deceptions. All right, the only way that we can discern a deception, right? When Jesus said there will be wolves who come to you in sheep's clothing. Meaning that on the outside, they're going to look innocent. They're going to look like they're the true thing.
He said, but you're going to have to know them by their fruits. And I said, how do we Christians, there's a two ways we discern. Whether something is true or not. Number one, Is it according to the scriptures? If it departs from The Bible, it's a deception.
So we discern by knowing the scriptures. And then looking at what's being told us, whether it's by a preacher, a prophet. Um or A scientist. We look at it and go, What are they telling me? Is it contrary to Scripture?
If it is, it's a deception. Yeah, I sent your video to a friend of mine named Frank, and it's funny. He just messaged me while we were talking. This is what he said. He said, If the earth was.
Just a flat disk. He said we would always see both the sun and the moon, no matter what part of the circle that they would be positioned in. He says, how would we ever have day or night? How would we ever commit a clip? See, the problem with people like that is they try to fit The idea of the flat stationary Earth into the model of what they've been taught.
You don't mix the two. All right, in the flat earth biblical model of creation, The sun and the moon are much, much smaller. much closer And that they can and do as the sun moves away from us. at a distance, the light of that sun, that the sun here does disappear. And I've shown people this.
Like this, if I can be outside, I was, in fact, a guy asked me this. When I was campaigning for governor, and I had my iPhone, and I turned the flashlight on. and there was a circular step stone down and we were standing outside in the dark. But you you know, there was enough moonlight you could see in uh the stepstone. And I said, let me show you something.
If I hold this light way up here, you get a general light across the whole thing. But then I took my iPhone and I took it all the way down to about two inches above. that stepstone. And the light was only lighting up half the stepstone. Half was in the light, half was in the darkness.
This is what we have. The Bible tells us that the sun and the moon are much closer to the earth. Matter of fact, it says in the clouds, the Bible does. in Job And it tells us that it's much closer. and that it moves in its circuit.
And then it moves away from us And then it returns back to where it came from. That's Psalm 19. That's Ecclesiastes 1.
So we know that they're much closer, and that's why we get the story in Joshua 10. where Joshua is in this battle with the Amalekites. And he looks up and he commands, he says, to the sun and the moon to stand still. And then the Bible says, and the sun and the moon stood still and said exactly the areas they were over in the earth. In fact, let me read that from Joshua.
Chapter 10, I have it open to it right here. Right. It says, then spake, this is verse 12, Joshua 10, 12, then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel. And he said in the sight of Israel, Son, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Ashalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies.
Is it not this written in the book of Jasher?
So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven. and hastened not to go down about a whole day.
Now, it uses the phrase go down there in the English, but the Hebrew word is bow. And Bo means not to go down, but to just go away, like to go through like to go through the front door of your house, go through your house and then go out the back door. That's the picture of Bo. Right. So this is the passage that always bothered me because I believe the Bible was true.
But because I had been brainwashed all my life that we were orbiting The Earth was spinning and orbiting. The fun I was like, how does this work? But finally, when you understand that we are a flat Plain And that the sun and the moon are much smaller, much closer, and that they move in a circle around us, like the Bible says. Joshua could definitely point up and say sun and moon stand still, and they would stand still and be over specific areas of the earth. And I have put this on a map and it's really cool.
But Again, we have people. I have done this, other people have done this. Where we've taken pictures of clearly clouds. behind The sun and the moon. And this has been done with negative photography, it's been done with infrared, it's been done all kinds of different ways.
It's been a proven fact that the sun and the moon are inside the firmament dome in our atmosphere. much closer, much smaller. And as You know, as Psalm 19 says, and Psalm 19 could be more clear about the sun. says the sun moves in in a circle. Inside the tent or the firmament.
Gnome is what the chance is. Yeah, and so I've got another. Frank keeps messaging me, man. He says Joshua 10:10 is speaking in terms. of the human perspective on Earth.
We don't call a sunrise the earth rotation toward the sun, do we? No, it's all about perspective. Yeah, but what that's saying is again, he's starting to say that he just that was just Joshua's perspective. That's not what we're taught. And here's the thing.
If anybody would know. about creation. It would be Joshua because Joshua was on the mountain with Moses. He was the only one allowed to be with Moses. And It's very clear, and God said this about Joshua.
He said, I'm going to be with you like I was with Moses.
Now, God himself spoke face to face with Moses and revealed to him the book of Genesis. And Moses wrote that down. And Joshua was with him.
Now, I'm going to either take the words of Joshua and Moses, or I'm going to say they didn't know what they were talking about. They didn't know what they were talking about. It was just their perspective. See, this is again, that right there is out of ignorance. But it is a denial.
Of the inspired, infallible word of Almighty God. I mean, bottom line, it's the Bible says the sun and the moon stood still. Period. It didn't say the earth stopped spinning. And again, Wha why are you trying to fit the world's narrative into our book.
I'm sorry. You got to pick one or the other. And a lot of people are picking. Yes.
Now, the stars, if you go back into the Greek, does it mean stars?
Some people say that. And this is funny. There's no such thing in the Bible as asteroids or meteorites or any of these things. The Bible says in Genesis. Chapter one.
that he made the sun and the moon and the stars on day four. There's only that's the only Hebrew word we have for stars. There's no other thing. He didn't say, I created flying rocks. Other flying rocks and stuff, he says he created the sun and the moon and the stars.
In fact, there's no such thing as planets. The planets Mercury Venus, Mars, all those things, the ancients like Enoch and like it's talked about in the book of Jude. That they called those wandering stars because they didn't follow the same pattern as the other stars, they were rebellious. If you zoom in on them. on Saturn or Jupiter or whatever.
They are just lights in the sky, up in the sky, just like the stars are, right? It's funny, but the Bible says nothing about God creating asteroids, meteorites, comets. You say, well, what are those things?
Well, we get a picture when the Bible talks about Jesus said, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Okay. Many times over, the angels are also equated with being stars, that the stars are angels back and forth.
So I believe that what we're dealing with with the stars and the lights in the sky that we see. that those things are angelic activity.
Now, the fallen angels could pick up a big old rock and take it up as high as they can go and drop it and do things like that to deceive people. But the bottom line is the Bible does not tell us That there are asteroids, meteorites, comets. He says there'll be signs in the heavens, lights in the heavens. The false prophet will call down fire from heaven. We've got to remember, we are dealing with the prince and the power of the air.
That's another name of Satan, and he operates in our atmosphere. And he operates at high altitude sometimes and he's a deceiver. Um But the stars move in a circuit. a circle. That's why every night I can come home at 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock, and I can see Orion on every night in the sky coming around in the same places, and then it makes its circuit and comes back around the next night.
Uh that's why for thousands of years If we were orbiting the sun spiraling through infinite space. If if we were in a solar system and in the Milky Way galaxy that's also traveling millions of miles through an endless Uh universe Then We would not have the North Star in the same place every night. and the constellations of stars moving around us in a circuit perfectly. for thousands of years to the point that still ship captains can navigate by the stars. Just that truth right there.
Debunks the whole idea of the heliocentric universe, the Big Bang theory, and that we are flying. orbiting and moving through the endless vacuum of space. It's just Ridiculous that you know, when people can look up in the sky every night and see the North Star. steady, they're in the same place, it always has been. We're not spinning, orbiting, flying, twirling, you know, vortexing.
around the sun as it flies through. the Milky Way Galaxy. And as the Milky Way Galaxy flies at, you know, a million Okay, miles an hour through the it's just ridiculous. It's just again, it's just all ridiculous. The Bible doesn't teach any of that.
The Bible says that the earth is still and at rest, it's fixed and immovable, it's set upon its foundations. that below uh the earth is is hell. that there is a firmament molten glass dome over the earth. That is what creates our atmosphere. That that firmament dome structure is the second heaven.
That God's throne, Ezekiel 1, sits upon that firmament. That is confirmed in the book of Revelation. And that's why we have an up and a down. The Bible talks about Jesus ascended up into heaven. If we live on a ball, where is up?
for the Australians because that would be our down. Jesus ascended up into heaven. Every time you see in the Bible, there is an up is heaven, down is hell, Hades, Sheol.
So just the simple truth of up and down. And you know, atheists mock and say, you know, when they, you know, they think the heliocentric view is correct and all this stuff. And they mock and say, where is heaven? Where did heaven go? You know?
And again, the Bible always says it's up. It's up. Jesus ascended up, and he will descend and come back as he ascended. He'll descend and come back here. There's an up and a down in this system.
And there is a firmament dome. There is a firmament dome.
So, what I'm getting at is the Bible describes a very, very different. Uh creation. than what we are being told by a government agency called NASA that has been caught faking things and lying to us. for decades. What blows my mind again is why Christians would trust known liars over.
The Word of God. That's it, and we have run out of time again. Pastor Dean, the website for you, if people want to check it out. Deanodle.org, D-E-A-N-O-D-L-E dot org. If they want to find out more about this, they could pick up your book.
What is the book? My book is Light Clay Under the Seal. You can get it on Amazon, order it from Amazon or from us, either way.
Sometimes Amazon lies and says they're out of it, but they can't be because we have print-on-demand with our publisher, so they're lying if they say they're out of it. But if they say they're out of it, just order it from us at dnodal.org. But like play under the seal, 479 pages. of years of research and Bible study. All right, thanks a lot, Pastor Dean, if not forgot.
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