This is the Truth Network. Welcome to If Not For God. Stories of hopelessness that turn to hope. Here is your host, Mike Zwick. All right, this is If Not For God with Mike Zwick.
I've got my friend Rick Pearson on the line from Prophecy USA. And Rick, I tell you what, there is a lot going on in the United States of America. What do you say, buddy? Sure. Yes, there is, Mike.
There is a lot going on, a lot of confusion. a lot of demonic activity and a lot of God's hand moving and separating the wheat and the chaff.
Well, I don't know if you heard, but the Epstein files were just released. Did you hear about that? And there were a lot of names on there. People who were accusing a lot of other people. But go ahead.
They're unveiling. the secret things it says your sins um The sins that you hide will be made evident. Your sins, what's the verse I'm looking for? Everything that is hidden will come to the light. Yes, and your sins will come to the light as well.
So, a lot of the people that are pro-world government like um our friend there, Bill Gates. Uh we find out that his wife left him. because he had picked up an STD. According to what the files say, picked up an STD from some Russian prostitutes and then he was secretly giving her medicine so that she didn't catch it.
Now this is what the emails say. Um but the thing is The the folks who don't want God, who don't want the Ten Commandments, who don't want the Bible and prayer in school. God is showing us what they're about. And God's even revealing stuff in the church. um people in the church and leadership that aren't aren't Doing things correctly.
They're not walking right. They're sin in the church. And the Bible says, you know, for judgment must come. If judgment comes, it must first. Come in the church.
For behold, judgment must begin first in the house of the Lord. If it first begin with us, what shall be the end of them that believe not the gospel?
Well Look what's happening. Sin is being revealed all over, and it's through. This electronic system we call the internet And social media that I mean Anything that happens within 10 minutes, it can go viral.
So, God's exposing a lot of things, and it's a time right now. to get in your Bible, stay close to the Lord. And everything's going to be okay. God's in total control. It isn't said it all.
It is. And did you hear about the recent videos that Mike Winger came out with where he was I guess you could say he was exposing Bethel Church and there was a guy named Sean. Sean Boltz, who had been in the church for years, and he was basically giving out fake prophecies. He was looking on social media for people's information, and then he was sharing it like he was getting a prophecy straight from the Lord. And that's one of the things that has been exposed.
And they said that Bethel Church for years was actually covering it up. And I do want to give credit to. The leader Bill Johnson, who actually came out and apologized, which is a lot more than other people have done, but. You know, I don't know about you, Rick, but to me, there's some things that you can do, Rick, that are sin, and there's some things that are really, really bad. But when you start giving out prophecies and acting like it's from the Lord, but you really just look online for those prophecies, to me, you're kind of going on dangerous ground.
You're on extremely dangerous ground. You know, one of the Ten Commandments is: thou shalt not bear false witness.
Well Uh Mike, if if I said Mike Zwick said this, and it wasn't true. I'm bearing false witness. But when you stand up and say, the Lord would say, And it's not the Lord. Yeah.
Now you're on real dangerous grounds.
Now we have to be bold, we have to be courageous, and God works through imperfect vessels. You know, you can give a prophetic word, and it's not particularly, it's not right on, but when you. go and outright deceive people. You're on extremely dangerous ground. Did you hear about this, Rick?
Yes, um I've been watching it. And you know, Mike. I come back. to the protocol of Prophecy USA, which is our T V ministry. If the Bible does not say it, neither will I.
There's eight, no, there's six prophets. That you absolutely must listen to: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel. And John. Those are the solidified Bona fide prophets in Scripture. and they have written their prophecies down.
And it's it's all there, it's rock solid. But it it it it does say that You know, with regards to prophecies, prophecies will fail. Yeah.
Prophecies were faons. And this is what we're seeing. Um in Jeremiah I'm going to read something to you. In Jeremiah 23, excuse me here, I've got a printer going and I'm just shutting it off. No, no, you're good.
And while you're shutting that off, Rick, I wanted to say this as well. Is that not only were there dealing with this guy, Sean Boltz, not only was he supposedly giving false prophecies, and they have documented evidence where he was doing this. They showed at one point where he said he acted like he was getting something from the Lord. And he said something like the name Dolores Johnson, and you live on this address in this area. And they found out, they said, oh no, that's the wrong Dolores Johnson.
He had gone online and he knew that this woman was going to be at this conference. I guess they had a way of doing that. And it turned out that there was a different Dolores Johnson in that area, or Doris Johnson in that area. And he goes, oh, no, no, no, it was something different. And so.
You know, but not only was that going on I'm sorry, would you say Rick?
Well, I I think, Mike, the thing is, God is revealing things, and I want to share something in Scripture that Jeremiah told us in the last days.
Now, we're not out. You know, the Bible says restore such a one when they fall. And I think people start out with the right motives, Most people get saved, they start in ministry, and they start with the right motives. And then people start lifting them up. and putting them on a pedestal.
And then there's a performance thing. where people want You to perform. They want to hear a word from the Lord. Instead of feeding themselves with the word, they're looking for other people to do all. All the heavy lifting, and they just want to sit back and get a word from the Lord.
Now, here's what Jeremiah said would happen in the last days. It says, The anger, this is Jeremiah 23:20. The anger of the Lord shall not return until he have executed. till he have performed the thoughts of his heart. in the latter days You shall consider or understand it perfectly.
Now, here's what he says. I've not sent these profits. Yet they ran. I've not spoken to them. Yet they prophesied.
But if they had stood in my counsel and caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way and from the evil of their doings. Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God far off? Can any hide himself? in secret places that I shall not see him? Do I fill heaven and earth?
said the Lord. I've heard what the prophet said. They that prophesy lies in my name. Saying, I've dreamed, I've dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets?
that prophesy lies. They are prophets of the deceit of their own heart. which think to cause my people to forget my name, by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbor, Now here's the ticket, as their fathers have forgotten my name, for bail. Yeah.
Bail has to do with money, power, and wealth. That's it. And this is what happens. They fall into They fall into something where they're performing and it becomes a money thing.
Now, What we're seeing. We're seeing God flash. his big shining light. and say don't follow this particular person, follow me. That's right.
And that's why I stick so close to Scripture, Mike. Yeah, I'm 72 years old. I've been around. I got saved when I was seven. Got baptized in the Holy Ghost when I was 18.
There is nothing new under the sun. That's right. And so This has been going on for years, but in the last days, as we get closer to the end, God's going to reveal things and Instead of I guess what I what's in my heart is I just say, Lord. Let me speak. And let me be and live a life that's pleasing unto you.
and let Christ shine through me. in a way that people see Jesus and not me. And don't be frustrated. By what's happening, I had another person that was prophesying, and it was totally wrong. And I turned to my wife and I said, You hear that prophecy, Karen?
That's God's big flashing red light. This guy is not representing me. And you can feel it in your heart. When somebody prophesies If you're close to God, you can sense it in your spirit. The Holy Spirit inside of you.
will give you that little nudge. and and say something's wrong here. Yeah.
And you can listen to them. But I get to a point where As soon as they start prophesying, If I get a check in my spirit, I think, okay, Lord, I'm not listening to this because I don't feel good about it. And this is where God wants all of us to be. He wants all of us to be in the Word. and very sensitive.
And as far as these fellows that are falling away, I think we should Pray for them to restore them, but you know, you get to choose who you want to follow. You do. You don't have to follow them. You don't have to follow them, but you should pray for them that God would restore them back to. a relationship But not necessarily restore them so that they can get back on the stage.
and perform. And this is what we're seeing, Mike, in the body of Christ. I've not sent them. I've not sent them, yet they speak from their own heart. And in the latter days, The Bible is being fulfilled.
Now it says, it says You know, that bail is the number one thing that makes them cause. You know, they fall away. Uh go after covetousness. and go after Baal, power and money and worship. But he he doesn't say throw the prophetic ministry away.
Jeremiah says the prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream, And he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? said the Lord. Is not my word like as a fire, said the Lord, and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Behold, I'm against the prophets that steal my words, every one from his neighbor.
You will notice that in the prophetic realm, they almost go through talking points. One prophet says something, somebody else picks it up. He says, Behold, I'm against the prophets, says the Lord, that use their tongues and say, She says I'm against them that prophesy false dreams, said the Lord, and do tell them. and cause my people to err by their lies and by their lightness. yet I sent them not, nor commanded them, Therefore, they shall not profit his people at all, saith the Lord.
Now here I am. You're asking me questions. I'm 72 years old. I'm sticking with this word. And the word will guide you through All the confusion.
It doesn't mean there aren't profits today. But you need to be solidly based on the word, and it will protect you. I will keep you in perfect peace. whose mind is stayed on thee. I believe that's in Ecclesiastes.
So. My answer is that.
Well, and Rick, I want to say this. Yeah, I want to say this as well. I like what you said. There are still prophecies. There are still people who truly prophesy.
And one of the things that I've always heard, Rick, is I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. And so when I say that, you know, I'll give you another example. Did you see any of the videos or did you hear any of the things that Mike Winger did when it came to Uh I think it was Todd White. I'm not I'm not sure if you're familiar with are you familiar with Todd White? I I know who Todd is in um I know who he is, but I don't know the brother at all.
I've never been associated, so I'm really not in a position to comment. Um You know Well, and the reason, let me tell you, the reason I'm bringing that up is this, is because he's saying, you know, Mike Winger said that Todd was doing all this wrong stuff. He was doing this, that, the other. But I can tell you that I have, I went to a conference where, I don't know if it was a conference, it was a one-night thing. And this was back in 2012.
So this was 14 years ago. This was supposedly before a lot of this stuff was happening. And I can tell you that I was leaving this meeting where Todd White was speaking. And Todd said He saw that. I guess he saw that I was walking out.
We were leaving. We had to leave early. And he said, Before you leave, he said, I want you to do this. He said, Put your hand on your head. And I put my hand on my head.
He said, You've been having night terrors. You've been having these terrible dreams, demonic dreams. And I was. He said, I want you to put your head hand on your head. And I'm going to pray for you.
And he said you're not going to have these anymore at all. And I sat there to myself and I said, Okay, and I left. And, buddy, I'm telling you, it's been 14 years, and I used to have these terrible dreams all the time. And I haven't had him anymore, man. I haven't had him anymore.
I'm sure I've had a bad dream here and there, but it's not like it was. And so he had prayed for people, and a lot of people were healed. He would go out into the street. He would prophesy over people. He would pray for people and people would be healed.
And so this is one of the concerns. I'm sure the guy did some bad stuff. I haven't watched the full four and a half hour video. I did watch another video that Mike Winger had done. And one of the things that I had seen, Rick, is I see that this Mike Winger guy seems to be going after all of the charismatics.
He doesn't seem to be doing this to the people who are not charismatic.
Now, I don't know where the guy's heart is. It's the charisma, the charismatics are the ones that operate in the gifts. You know, one of the things that. that I've always said Do you know why God uses imperfect people? is because he has no other choice.
And God works through imperfect people, including you and me.
So. If you're if you've been praying and fasting, right. And you're feeling really close to the Lord, and He gives you a word for somebody. And that word is uh is is true. Like you received a true word from God on that.
I received A ton of words, and some of them have come Pass and others haven't.
Now, it depends when you get a word, a prophetic word, sometimes it depends on you obeying the Lord. Right. But like if you if you um Get a word. That says You know, I see you in ministering in Africa. Right.
And you just automatically run and jump on a plane and go to Africa. And you get there and you say, well, Lord, what am I supposed to do here? You're using the word as directional instead of. confirmational. Right.
Confirmational means God speaks to you and somebody comes along and they confirm. that word. Right. Because God's desire, he said, my sheep hear my voice.
So uh Modern day prophecy is not for direction. It's for confirmation. Um I I I had in in two thousand and Brother Oral Roberts gave me a word I'd retired, and he said, Rick, God's going to open a door for you. And when it opens, You're going to have to walk through it.
Sometimes that's easy, and sometimes that's hard. Ten years later, I'm in Israel. And I met a man with a T V ministry And the Lord spoke to him and he said, The Lord told me to put you on T V, Rick. And build a studio, a prophecy studio, and give you my cameras. and give you my expertise and I'm supposed to do everything for free.
Will you go on television? And I came home and I said, Now I've been teaching. America's role in Bible prophecy for thirty nine years, Mike. And at sixty five years old, ten years after Oral gave me that word, I said, there it is. Eric, that's the word.
So at 65. I started on T V. And in five years We've got five books that I've written. Three of them hit bestsellers. We're on 300.
Close to 300 T V stations, 12 satellites, and in 55 nations of the Earth. We just got on Daystar. And this is just, it's God. It's just God is... God has opened those doors.
Um But I never went out and started trying to make the doors open. I said, okay, Lord, if this is you. you open the door, but I've always felt The call To teach about America's role in Bible prophecy, and I'm in my 39th year right now in December, it'll be 40 years. since I received my revelation. But the thing well, Rick, and for time's sake, I wanted to ask you this: what was your revelation?
The revelation was in 1986. It was America's role in Bible prophecy, how America was going to be filled with demonic spirits that were ancient Babylonian spirits. uh there would there would come um What's happening right now with the LGBT, with with the division in America and that God was going to judge America. And that's what I received. And it was a David Wilkerson.
Type Uh Revelation And there's going to be a war. We're heading towards a war. Nobody knows the day or the hour. It's an appointed time, and it's all in Ezekiel. Everything I was told, I found it in Scripture, Mike.
So that's the solid foundation that I stand on.
Well, and I guess you know what, Rick, I guess it's too bad you missed that because everybody in America is following Jesus, right? Yes.
Well, you know what, Mike? Everything that's happening, I have perfect peace over. Because Either Mm-hmm. We're all going to see Jesus. Either he's coming to...
get us or we're going. We'll be coming. He's either coming or we'll be going, but we're all going to stand before him. And, you know, I'm 72. I have my friends.
are dropping off their appointed time to die. I'm losing friends all the time when you get this age. And it's very sobering. But God has kept me healthy because I'm not done with my work yet.
So If you can stay in the word, the number one thing it says study. to show thyself approved unto God a workman who needeth not to be ashamed. If you can stand on the word and what you're doing, And what you're prophesying. Then everything's okay. And everything that I'm prophesying about America.
I can find it right in Scripture. Just like this Jeremiah 23. Um This is nothing new. There's nothing new under the sun with prophets missing it, people falling away into sin, leadership. The it it's just It's a standard protocol, and you have to keep your body under discipline.
And don't go after bail or after fame, or, you know, there's a. A seduction to the stage sometimes. People get on the stage and other people start lifting them up, and it's it can be very addictive. You know, you become a spiritual rock star. God doesn't want that.
Well, and I think sometimes, Rick, I think sometimes, Rick, where that becomes addictive is maybe what you said before, maybe where somebody just speaks a word that the Lord has actually spoken to them, but then all of a sudden they get all of this power, they get all of this fame, and everybody starts to tell them how great they are. And then all of a sudden, it's like sometimes somebody says, Well, I want you to prophesy a word over me. I want you to prophesy over me. Oh, and by the way, we're going to give you a platform. We're going to pay you to come here.
And then all of a sudden, Rick, where it was first about, okay, yeah, the pressure's on. I've got to perform. And they start saying stuff whether the Lord gave it to them or not. Yes, and then and then they start compromising.
Well, I need a little edge here, you know, so you The I I I don't know uh Mr. Boltz, Sean. But I've seen this happen. a dozen times with different people. And it's unfortunate, but you you have to remember 99% of the people start off right.
And You know, I've always said to my wife, the greatest. The the greatest challenge that you have to overcome in ministry or in business is success. The Bible says, I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health. But it also says that prosperity is the destruction of a fool.
Well, does God want to prosper you? Of course he does, but he won't prosper you to the point where it's going to destroy you. Right. So you have to steward your money, steward your gifts. Put everything in proper line, that every good gift comes down from the Father of lights, and you don't pat yourself on the back.
You just say, Lord, thank you. and then you move on. But you have to walk in a spirit of humility because pride is the number one thing that will take you down. And um Uh Success Success can kill you if you don't handle it correctly. It can, and pride comes before a fall.
And the Bible says that those who humble themselves shall be exalted, and those who exalt themselves shall be humbled. And, Rick, you've got a show that people can watch on TV and also on YouTube. It's called Prophecy USA. Is that right? Yes.
Our YouTube channel is rickpearson.com, and you can get. You can get all of our TV shows, our podcasts, and we have frequently asked questions: why do you say America's in the Bible? And we debunk. Latter-day Babylon is not Rome. Latter-day Babylon is not the Catholic Church.
Latter-day Babylon is not Mecca. There are 53 biblical descriptions. of a great nation that God raises up. And the United States of America has met every biblical prophetic word. of what Babylon will look like at her appointed time.
And we've reached number 53 now. And the fifty-fourth description. is her judgment.
So we're in a reprieve right now. When Donald Trump dodged a bullet, so did America. We're in a Josiah moment. That's my latest book. It's called America's Josiah Moment, an end time reprieve of things to come.
We're in a reprieve right now. God is moving in America. He's calling out, I believe it's the last altar call to America. And we may see an outpouring. Like no generation has ever seen of signs and wonders, that's what I'm believing for.
But I don't chase after signs and wonders, but I look after signs and wonders to confirm the word that's being spoken. The signs and wonders don't don't precede the word. They follow the word.
So when somebody has a word of knowledge or a word of faith There should be a sign that follows that. For example, when When Todd laid his hand on you and said, Mike, you've been having terrible dreams. You that you know. How did he know that?
Well, it's the Lord. You've been praying to the Lord, and God used Todd to give you a word of faith. and set you free. He spoke through Todd to you. And that's all biblical.
Amen, brother. And we've run out of time, but Rick, I want to thank you for coming on today, brother. You are an amazing man of God. Subscribe to the YouTube channel ProphecyUSA. And the name of the latest book is what?
Quickly? America's Josiah Moment, an end time reprieve of things to come. America's Josiah Moment An End Time Reprieve of Things to Come by Richard Pearson. And check him out at Prophecy USA on YouTube. God bless you, Rick.
Thank you.
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