This is the Truth Network. Welcome to Hope in the Morning. turning tragedies and tears into testimonies of hope. Welcome to Hope in the Morning. I am your host, Emily Curtis, and I am joined today with two very special guests.
That many of you are probably very familiar with.
So, we have Robbie Dilmore, and not only is he the host of Christian Car Guy and Kingdom Pursuits and Truth Talk Live, but he also helps co-host oftentimes here on Hope in the Morning. And then we have the president of the Truth Network, Stu Upperson.
So, thank you for joining me, guys. Great to be here. How fun! What a treat! Yeah, I've been looking forward to this one for a long time.
I don't ever get to do shows with you anymore. There's a lot going on in here, I'm telling you right now.
Well, today's episode is going to be a little bit different than what we normally do. Normally, we have a little bit more of a somber tone to our content just because of the nature of what we discuss. We really do have a hope, and not only do we have hope, but we have true joy that we can have amidst sorrow, and so. All three of us here have lost our dads. And yet we had men in our lives that the Lord graciously gave us who loved the Lord and left behind a legacy.
So although we may be grieving that loss, We're going to just kind of show today what it looks like to live out 1 Thessalonians 4.13, which is to grieve, but not as those that have no hope.
So I wanted to start today kind of like getting to know our dads a little bit. Um And I don't think any of us, you guys, you met his dad before, right, Robbie? You met him? Oh, yeah, I knew him very well.
Okay.
So, but I have not met either one of your guys' dads, never got that privilege. And so, what I wanted to do is kind of like a fun introduction is kind of a little lightning round of like this or that, what our dads liked. And so, I thought this would be a fun way to kind of introduce who our dads were and what they liked and some other fun things. Almost like a pre-heaven conversation, right? Yes, yes.
I thought it would be kind of funny. I thought you were wondering if they still liked the stink in heaven. Yeah. Tasted the good stuff now. Like, what was that?
What was I thinking? Yeah, my dad was a chef, and so I'm like, I'm sure he's loving all the feasting, right? Food in heaven.
So, would your guys' dads, would they have gone for coffee or tea? Coffee. Coffee. A little bit of both.
Okay.
Yes. My dad would have been coffee, but it had to be black and it had to be super hot, like scald you hot. Um, what about a T-shirt or dress shirt? Oh, dress shirt.
Okay.
Oh, absolutely. He was a coat and tie guy. Love that. Very much. Very much a businessman.
Dress shirts, more T-shirts as he got older and as he did more, he got he took on biking more because it was less. rough on his joints, you know, later is his exercise.
So he he had every kind of T-shirt for that. I love that. My dad was like all about the Carhartt shirts.
So after he died, we actually had some of his shirts turned into like pillows and little shirts for teddy bears and um but that's that was his staple uniform for sure. And what about were your guys's dads like avid book readers or did they enjoy relaxing with a T V show more? Boy, he was a very vibrant man.
So he was a both. I mean, he was an avid reader. There's no doubt about that. But by the same token, like, you know, if Blue Bloods was on or something, even as a kid, you know, I remember Star Trek came on, like, you know, that was the reason we got a color TV was so we could see something. Yeah.
My dad loved to read, and he loved audiobooks later on. And he actually loved listening to, like, he would listen to the Truth Network, like the audio app if he didn't have a radio near him all the time, constantly taking in. books on tape, you know, through the different the new ways of doing that. But then he had books Everywhere, and he would get excited about a book and he'd buy a case of them. Oh, really?
So I'm still giving out books to people that dad purchased. Yeah. That are good great books. Like he purchased a whole case of The Pursuit of God by A.W. Tozier.
Okay.
And there's people that, even the new next generation, haven't even read that before, heard of that. And so I say, hey, this is be a little encouragement for you. And so it's neat to see that going on with that, but yeah, early on in their history you know, call me and talk to me because You know, what an opportunity to have Stu Epperson talk to you about your on-on-air experience, right? And I can remember him saying, you know, Robbie. It's your laugh.
It's your laugh that makes it. I would agree.
So he loved it. It was wonderful to talk to him. He's such a cool guy. I love that. So, did your dad purchase the cases of books because when he loved something, he wanted to be able to give it out to other people?
Absolutely. Yeah. He wanted to give everyone a copy. You got to read this book, and you order a case, and sometimes you order a case. And be on to the next book.
And by the time the case got there, he's like, now what was that about? You know, it's like, because he just was so into it. You know, so we're digging out, we're still digging through a lot of those and figuring out, okay, how many of these diet books can I pass out to people? Especially without sending the wrong message. Like, I'm not saying you need a new diet, sure, ma'am, but this is really good.
Big Stew liked it, so you must like it too, right? I love that. What about vacationing? Were your dads more like beach or mountains? Like, what was the ideal vacation for your dad?
Oh, my gosh. My father. And my mother, they both, they decided that camping was the thing. And my father was born and raised in Colorado.
Okay.
And so we went to every national park. We had a big, huge tent. We had a trailer. And from his standpoint, his real camping happened in a tent on the ground. You know, it wasn't anything but that.
Real campfires. Oh, my goodness. And he would get he worked for Buick Motor Division as I was growing up. And so he would literally get a month. And we would be off, like camping for a month.
That's really cool. It was.
Well, he would disappear, Robbie would for a little chunk of time there in the summer, not saying how long. And I'm like, what in the world? And he would be fly fishing in Colorado. And with his pops, I thought that was the most, and your son and your other kids would go sometimes, just a blessing. And so, my dad loved Airat, Virginia.
That's where he was born. It's kind of in the mountains. It's at the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains, and he absolutely loved spending every second he could there. But he also loved the beach. They had a little place in Jacksonville, Florida.
He would love to go and enjoy that, the warm weather too.
So he kind of was a mixed. Preference on that, I love that. My dad was definitely more mountains. He actually, a large part of his life, he was in Anchorage, Alaska. Oh, really?
So, we never got to go, but we always kind of had that on our bucket list, especially like seeing Aurora Borealis. We always wanted to do like a cruise and go there, gotta do it. But he, you know, he just loved, he loved seeing God's creation, which is one of those things where you can see that anywhere. But the mountains are just so peaceful and the beaches too. But I think my dad, he had a special place in his heart for the mountains for sure.
Robbie, with your dad working for a car company then, is that kind of what launched your passion for cars and how you came to do like the Christian? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. My father. Was he at eight slept the the car business in Tara?
He never retired.
Okay.
He he he finished his career with a management consulting company, two car dealers. And so I can still remember one of the last conversations I had with him was, son, Don't you miss the car business? No, Dad, I don't. But he loved it and he thrived in that environment and had a glorious career like Tuesday. Yeah.
I think it's so cool that you're able to take a career that your dad was passionate about and actually transfer that to ministry, you know, where your dad gave you these tools to know about. About cars, and you were able to say, How can I serve people with the knowledge that my dad instilled in me? And that's part of what we're talking about today, too, is like the legacy that our dads leave behind. And even Stu, you know, your dad started Truth Network, right?
So, dad started me. And, like, Robbie was a car brat. And by the way, that's so cool. The legacy of his dad lives through him. He is now the Christian car guy.
Yeah. which is a great MO. I've had more people over the last 20 years say, I want to meet the Christian car guy. How could such a person exist? You know, I say, it's not an oxymoron, it's a real deal.
He's right there.
So I grew up in radio stations. I grew up doing it. I grew up like him, probably. Everyone telling me this is what you got to do. Uh, you're going to follow in your dad's footsteps and really want to do a bunch of other stuff, and the Lord, through his providence.
kept bringing me back to radio and so Dad and uncle started a really big company. That's a Christian radio. force called Salem Media.
Okay.
With big stations all over the place. 99.5 FM, you know, Los Angeles, Dr. MacArthur was on there and on all their big market stations, but no one had done that. Quite like they had done in big markets in the markets like Winston-Salem, where we're sitting right now, Charlotte, Raleigh. In places that we are with a Truth Network station.
So that's why I started Truth Network. And I will say he mentored me through that process and really helped me. I wouldn't have been able to do it without his wisdom and support. Right there at the beginning. And so But it was Stu, and I gotta tell you, because I was there.
Yeah. Like Stu came to me, like, Robbie, I got this idea. And at the time, he'd been my rep on WSJS. He was selling radio. And so he came to me and goes, Man, I want to buy this little station.
I want to have it to be 24-7, teaching and talk, Christian, because there's just nothing like that in the area. And so he got the call letters. And at that time, the frequency was just an AM, like 10. 30 or something? No, 1380.
1380, that's right. Yeah. Which is a station that I had worked, which is a station actually I had worked for. When I was a Teenager, because my dad owned it. It was like outside of Salem, his big company.
He said, I got to have a little station to tinker with here in my hometown. And it was like news weather, Paul Harvey, you know, Braves baseball, just kind of eclectic. And so it was still It was still, he tried to sell it to someone. They defaulted, so he still owned it, but it wasn't doing great. And so we worked a deal out for me to buy it from him.
And so that was like the first. Yeah. Little P-shooter AM station, but it was the first one in the Truth Network 28 or so years ago. Wow.
So then your dad really supported you and kind of helped train you in that as you were learning the ropes? Yeah, well, the training started. See, I'm 55 years old.
So the training started when I was about 55 years and nine months.
Okay.
So. I was in, listen, I was in mama's, I was swimming around in mama's tummy when I was hearing dad doing Christian radio deals and other things. And.
So yeah, so just a what a blessing to and I'm sure you're A product of the your dad. I know you're a product of your dad's. amazing legacy in your life. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's interesting because actually Robbie knows this, but I don't know if you do. My my parents actually got divorced when I was four.
And so I really don't have a close relationship with my biological dad. He lived in Indiana. We lived in California. And that you know, that leaves its own kind of loss in your heart, and there just was not that connection with him. Um But my stepdad, they started dating when I was nine, got married when I was 10, and instantly he was dad.
We called him dad. And I loved my dad. I loved my stepdad so much. And he, like, he would, I remember I was little, so I was, you know, nine, and he would give me what he would call lift hugs, which I loved, because I didn't grow up with a dad. You know, they divorced when I was four.
And so, you know, he would come take my mom out on these dates and he'd pick me up and swing me around. And I loved that. And then he would take me on dates to Starbucks before choir in the morning.
So we would go to Starbucks. And I would get a cinnamon bun and a hot cocoa light on the cocoa, because I don't really like chocolate. But my dad, he like never would live that down, you know?
So every time I'd hang out with him, he'd be like, do you want me to take you for hot cocoa, light on the cocoa? But really, I think that he instilled so much of my faith and what I know about the Lord. The impression that a father leaves on us is pretty significant. And so I think I had a lot of things to work through from my biological dad because I felt. I felt like I always had to earn God's favor.
I felt like never quite good enough. And my stepdad never made me feel that way, you know. And so it shifted my perspective of who God was. And so when we come back from the break, we're gonna kind of dive into that sect of things, like the legacy that our fathers left us Of their faith, you know, what truly matters.
So, these are all the fun things, and we're going to continue having times of fun and laughter here. But we're also going to talk about the legacy of faith that our fathers left us.
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Welcome back to Hope in the Morning. I'm your host, Emily Curtis, and I'm joined today with two very special guests, Robbie Dilmore and Stu Epperson. We're talking about the loss of a father, but the legacy of a father. You know, to reiterate, we all had wonderful men in our lives. And I was sharing with you how my parents had gotten divorced when I was four.
And then the Lord very graciously brought this other man into our lives. Um When he came into our lives, he actually had never been married before. He was 39 years old, and my brother was 13, I was 10. Those are hard ages to step into. And I, you know, I had mentioned that he had lived in Alaska and he was praying one day, like, Lord, I want to do ministry and I'll go anywhere you want me to go except California.
Well, don't ever say that to the Lord, right? We should learn that by now, right?
So, guess where the Lord took him? California. And he met my mom through a mutual friend. And actually he had broken his arm. And my mom sat with him in the hospital just as a friend.
And he was like, I kind of like this girl. You know, she's willing to sit with me day after day. Anyway, when he started dating my mom, it was so neat because he really took on the responsibility of my brother and I. And he even told my mom when they got married, he said, you know, you've had to be mom and dad. I want you just to be mom.
I will handle the disciplinary things. Let the kids not like me. Um And you just get to nurture them and love them. And he did a great job of that. And he, he, I don't even know how.
So, actually, he stepped in, and he was a very Firm disciplinarian. And my mom would ask him, How did you know how to parent kids in these stages? Because you never had kids. And he said, I knew God's word. I know God's word.
And so He knew how to instruct us because he knew God's word. Um And my dad actually had grown up Catholic.
So that to me, in a weird way, because I went through a very rebellious stage, was kind of. Comforting to have somebody that didn't grow up in the church that wasn't in that bubble.
So what about you guys? Like, did your dads grow up in the church? Yeah, my dad definitely My grandfather Dilmore actually worked for the American Baptist Convention, and so he grew up very, very much in the faith. And um I actually went to Seminary, I understand, or was planning on going there. He loved music, and he wanted a choir director.
He played the violin, and he loved all that kind of thing. He loved music. Then he got involved in the car business. his faith kinda took a a southernly turn for maybe a a period that but he He started really well, he finished really well, right? And he would use biblical wisdom.
Constantly. One of my favorite stories I always tell is, you know, one time my little brother, you can imagine, my little brother's two years younger than me. We fought constantly. I don't know what. But anyway, one time my little brother, we had these little Boy Scout knives or Cub Scout knives.
And so he pulled that knife out on me. And I went and, of course, Dad, Dad, Mark pulled a knife on me. And my Dad says, you know, Mark, what's up with that? And he goes, oh, I didn't pull it. Robbie's lying.
And no, Mark, you know, and so he says, okay. He goes, here's what we're going to do, boys. I'm going to give Robbie the belt. And I want you to give a spanking to Mark for pulling that knife on you and then calling you a liar. Wow.
And then. I'm going to give Mark the belt. And I'm going to let him whip you for falsely accusing him for, you know, and for lying about. And so, of course, he gives me the belt and I let Mark have it. And then he gives Mark the belt and he can't really get it done, you know, and he's like, Okay, I got this under control.
I you know, that was a little Solomon wisdom there from and I've never forgotten the story again. I've apologized to my brother since. But, you know, it's kind of neat to have that in a dad that he. He used that wisdom, and then I really, really admire my dad for completely. Like the last few years of his life.
He reconciled a lot of difficult situations. With my sisters, et cetera, because my parents were also divorced, but much later when I was like 18 or 19 years old. And it was cool to see how my dad finished well. It was.
Amen. Yeah, I would say my dad definitely had the God's input back in his life, and my mom, and they were, they were. Thankfully, I mean, I I divorce is so tough. They were they stayed together through, you know, even having kids like me and my three sisters, you know. There a little lady named Susie Sleeper.
from Waco, Texas. for some reason, In the nineteen thirties Maybe forties.
Somewhere in there. got called to go to Air At Virginia. as a Presbyterian ministry, missionary. And she's the one. There had been faith in the Epperson family.
But she's the one that really introduced Dad. to and the family to really building a church. They planted a church. They all built it, all my dad and his brothers, you know, they all built it. It's still there today, Unity Church in Arat, Virginia.
And really she four foot eleven. And they're all 6'7. Uncle Roy was probably 6'10. These are all big people. Through her work, they all really came to know the Lord.
And a lot of a bunch of people were pouring in. And that really got my dad to Bob Jones really saved his life too, because getting a Christian, that's where we met Mom, who got saved in Jack MacArthur's church. And Jack's daughter, Jeanette, invited my mom. They were best friends, and she came from a broken home. My mom did.
to church where she met John and all the siblings and then she got saved here in Jack MacArthur.
So they met at Bob Jones and my mom had a big impact on my dad. They eventually got married. And always had us in church, like Robbie shared, always had us. I mean, you know, we glamorize how amazing parents, they probably messed up a lot. You know, they probably lost their temper, and I don't blame them.
I mean, if you know me, right? You're like, how could they even. But, so, yeah, so there was a, that would be. They would both say, None of us are here without the grace of God. And Dad would say that all the time.
Yeah. Yeah, you know, I think it's It's such a beautiful legacy because you see that, like, God can save people out of all different walks of life, right? And He brings us together through different things. And honestly, it's like when you go back to even your youngest years, you know, you think about you being taught about cars and you being taught about radio. And even for me going through the divorce at age five, I was writing songs and they were like grief songs.
But my grandma, she used to sit there and just cry. But it was because the Lord had planted these seeds of sorrow in my heart because I was so little and didn't understand what I was feeling and thinking. But that was an outlet for me. And here the Lord has used that all these years later. And it's so neat to see how the Lord weaves our stories like that and just how he intertwines different people.
Even, you know, you were talking about being friends with Jeanette, Jeanette DeAngelis, which is John MacArthur's sister. She's my aunt Jeanette growing up. That's all I knew is Aunt Jeanette and Uncle John. Yeah. And Uncle John's gone to heaven.
Yes, yes. And what's interesting about that is like I actually went to John MacArthur's church. We're very close friends with them as well. And Jeanette's daughter, Zoe, her story is in our book, Hope in the Morning, of when she walked away from the Lord and walked away from her marriage. And then the Lord brought them back together, saved her, brought them back together.
And it's so incredible how the Lord just. intertwines. All these things, you know? Yeah, it really is. Yeah.
I mean, even even being here, it's like You know, I think Pastor Carrie is the one that's like, you gotta meet Stu Upperson. When the book came out, you gotta meet Stu Upperson. I gotta tell him about your book. And then you very graciously invited me to consider doing a program here. And my dad got sick right around that time.
And so it was like, and we were pregnant at that time. And it was just like, you know. We just can't make that decision right now. We don't know what the Lord has in store. But my dad was one of the people that, you know, I was talking to him here.
He's been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, and I'm like, Dad, what do you think about this opportunity? Because he knows, like, I've got four kids, I homeschool, like, It's a busy life, but my dad, instead of being like... I think it's too much for you to take on. He said, you know, I think that the Lord has equipped you for just this time, just this ministry. And so, my dad never got to live to see this happen, but he knew that it was going to happen.
And even before he died, he was encouraging. That and there's so much comfort in that. What would you guys say are things that, even to this day, you can hear the voices of your dad encouraging you in your work and in your ministry. Wow.
Yeah, that the my dad had Way more faith in me than I did. And my abilities. He. He poured a lot of that. And, you know, Jesus, when he came up out of the water, his dad.
announces to all the world, this is my beloved son and whom I'm well pleased. You know, my dad did that constantly. He would catch in little things that you did. See how smart you are. See how brilliant you are.
My father, literally, when you were talking about engraving the car business for you, I can remember when I was like eight or nine years old, he would have a whole GM financial statement. Car dealers have a very particular type of financial statement. And he'd go now, now, son, here's where your fixed expenses go. You can hear that voice in your head, can't you? I can.
I can still. Because he loved it. I mean, he just. He darely loved the numbers aspect of business. And he was a consultant for a lot of reasons, but because he had this passion for it, he was gifted with it.
And so, yeah, I can still hear that. But more than that, I can hear him speak in faith into me. That's big. And there's a viral video meme. Kind of put together, it's all, it's got to be an AI voice.
You know, you can tell like right now, it sounds too good to be. Yeah. And it basically says something like, There's a video of a kid and a dad throwing the baseball or at the car shop or whatever, and it basically says. When a son loses his father, He realizes It's the only person on the planet that wanted him to succeed more than him. And I think that's true about a daughter, too.
And I think about Wow. And when I speak, I say, hey, Who? In your life, thinks that way. Yeah. Because that doesn't just have to be your dad.
Yeah. You know, when you hear someone. That you're maybe a Paul to, and they're a Timothy, or you've been, you know, that gives you a really big praise, they did something. Are you quick to say, well, let me tell you, you know. I hit a 62 in golf.
Are you quick to stop and say, no, let's celebrate this? I'm not going to tell you my bad thing to match your bad thing or my life experience. I'm going to celebrate you. And dads were great at that. Not trying to rein on your parade.
So I've got a picture of my dad. and myself and my daughter in New York City. in front of Radio City Rockettes Music Hall. And this was when my daughter Gracie was like in college. And so.
And he always said, Gracie, Shoo. Am I supposed to get emotional? Am I allowed to get emotional on this show?
Okay, I don't want to hurt your ratings, but he said, Gracie. One day you're gonna be in there dancing. And so she became a rocket, which is just like your son's more likely to win a Super Bowl ring than your daughter is to make the rockets. It's just, it's impossible. And she did it.
And we always say, What would Papa think? Yeah. You know, what would he think? and how would he be encouraged by that? And the crazy thing, I bumped into a guy who I interviewed, and I had no idea about his story.
He just said, I have a great story. You have these people. And they say, Hey, have me on your show. And the whole interview, he talked about how he got saved. at the Rockefeller Center at the Radio City Rocket Show.
At the nativity scene. Wow.
And I thought, boy, dad would have loved hearing that. Yeah. Because there's a powerful impact. You know, and his granddaughter, and he believed in her. He always said, Gracie, you're gonna do that.
Gracie, you're gonna be there.
So when we see that picture, man, it's tender. Yeah. And we hear him cheer. And he cheered all his grandkids, you know, and they're all wonderful and doing great. But you see, but there's a.
We stand on the shoulders of giants. Yes. You know, that we're. that we're praying for us pouring into us. And even from you, look at Hebrews 11.
I think all the people in Hebrews 11, the great hall of faith, I think they're all in heaven. You know, they're all deceased. They're not here. You're not going to walk down the street and bump into Noah, you know? But they're all They're all part of that cacophony of that choir of praise.
Yeah. Glory to God to say, hey, listen. Noah had eight people on that ark, but we're all here today. Because if he found grace in God's eyes and God's grace is poured down to us. Thousands of years later.
And that's kind of through what you're sharing, you know, about your dad and the dad's impact, you know.
So one of the things that I wanted to discuss is exactly what you were saying, is that now we fill these shoes. You know, it's like it's our, it's been passed down to us. The baton has come to us. It's our race to finish now. And so what does that look like for both of you guys as far as like, how do you hope to emulate your dad's?
Highness. Yeah, and I'd imagine Stu felt the same thing. Stu may have felt it even stronger than I did. That You become the patriarch of your family depending on where you are in the scheme of things as a man. Certainly, I was the oldest son.
Um Our family had some real fractures in it. And some challenges. Um you know, the b as far as my original, you know, siblings and all that kind of stuff based on based on w all that happened and boy, you felt it. Um you know, immediately felt a shifting of the load on your shoulders, a prayer. Uh uh sort of a responsibility that you did not really see coming necessarily.
But I certainly felt it when my father passed. And then um was kind of blown away on how God gave me great favor. With my sisters. My brother and I always, you know, we've always been very, very close. My sister is a little bit more challenging at times.
In fact, it's kind of funny. My younger sister of the two, it's her birthday today.
So that's Linda. And It that's a Mm-hmm. An interesting thing that you hadn't really thought about that was going to be passed on to you, but it is your inheritance. Yeah. And it is your legacy.
And it's a big, huge thing when you look in the Bible from my standpoint. Slavery. Is fatherlessness. It's almost one in the same. That You know, in the comfort chapter, in John chapter 14, you know, that's the one where he says, I'm the way, the truth, the life.
You know, no one comes to the Father except from me. And later in that chapter, he says, I'm not going to leave you as orphans. And so. Part of our responsibility as fathers or as patriarchs of our family is not to leave any of our siblings, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, whatever, as orphans, right? Because part of the legacy is not just the legacy of God, which is huge, obviously, but it's also a legacy of Epperson or Dilmore or, you know, as the case may be.
Well, and it can leave people vulnerable, like you were saying with orphans. You know, we've had an interview here recently with Haiti, you know, with Haitian missionaries and how they go in the front lines for the fatherless because the fatherless are more susceptible to becoming slaves out there. That happens out here too, but it can be turned to thinking of it spiritually, where we're more susceptible to becoming slaves to sin if we don't have the voice of a father in there. And even with my situation, it's like I didn't grow up. with that voice of a father.
I had a wonderful mom. But I did not grow up with that strength. My grandfather was amazing. I love my grandfather. He was a legend.
I mean, he was a grace church. He's the guy that built a church. Yes, yeah. He's with the Lord now, too. He and John went to the Lord in two weeks.
And that's something. They got to see each other, too. That was remarkable. That little video. What a good thing.
I always joke around and say my dad probably was up there thinking, You guys couldn't give me a little bit of time with the Lord by myself. You guys had to come. Because actually, John MacArthur called my dad when my dad got the diagnosis that it was pancreatic cancer and it already spread. And so John MacArthur called my dad, and my dad's like, Hey, John, you want me to put in a good word with the Lord for you? And John's like, I think I'm good.
I think I'm covered. And then John got everyone's doctor straightened out when he got there, too. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. But it's, you know, it's interesting because there's definitely this hedge of protection that we felt when my dad stepped in and took on that role.
And even actually, for me as a woman, when it came to dating, my dad would always interview guys before they could date me. And I felt so loved by that. And part of it was I had a lot of guy friends, but not guys I wanted to date, but you don't want to hurt that relationship. And so my dad would say, you know, honey, you just tell me if you're interested in them or not. And if you're not, I'll find a reason why I'll tell them it's not a good fit.
Just stay friends. But even with my husband, you know, he he interviewed my husband for like an hour and a half before he said yes. And I was twenty two at the time. And that that made me feel very loved because my dad was looking out for me. He was looking out for my heart.
He wasn't gonna let just any guy swoop in. Um And so There is definitely A huge weight on the shoulders of men that come up to take that responsibility. And Stu, for you, taking on. That patriarchy, you said that you have sisters, and then am I mistaken, or do you only have daughters? I have uh four daughters and one son in law.
And then three sisters.
Okay.
And then We've got about thirty five of us now, counting all the grandkids, so So the patriarchy really did fall to you, though?
Well, yes, that's a. very dewauched and nebulous kind of area. You know, so it's it's it's kinda like Honestly, it's kind of Kind of like what God wants it to be. Right, so I'm not. It's funny, I have.
the Verizon uh network was out. Yesterday. And so I couldn't call anybody. And no one could call me.
So I had to go to places that I could get WiFi so I could either FaceTime or I could text.
So thankfully, I got the email reminding me about being here today to record with you guys.
So I got my dad's phone out. And started calling people. And, you know.
Now, think about that.
So, I'm calling.
So, I called one of the Salem guys and I got his voicemail. I said, How are sales? And I said, Hey, don't forgive me. I'm using my dad's phone because my phone's out. I had to call and leave a message.
And then I called some of the kids just as like, Yeah. And then my nephew. is a real cut up.
So I had to call him, you know, just to Because I'm sitting here thinking, who else can I call? I'm like, this is kind of, I'm enjoying this too much. But that's the, you know, I think the greatest thing the Lord put on my heart getting, and I said this, and by the way, I heard I heard and learned a lot. about this man to my right, Robbie. and the legacy of his dad and the kingdom from just going to his dad's Service, celebration of life out there in Oak Ridge.
Remember? I remember. And you did a great job and the pastor did a great job. And I met Mark and your sisters, and it was just powerful. And just to hear, to learn, and you learn a lot more about people with those things.
So honestly, the, I just, I don't know that. There's a Formal process, or there's a okay, now you're the guy that I just think it's just kind of. You just kind of move into a different season. Yeah. And There's some There's some powerful collaboration I mean, sure, you got to make some tough calls and you got to run the show in some ways, but there's some powerful unity that comes out of it, and there's some.
And dad always said, get along, work together. Yeah. You know, make a difference. You know, and if you know me and my three sisters, I mean, they're, you know, it can be pretty combative and intense, you know, growing up. You know, so, but there's what but we've never loved each other more, and we all have our issues.
And the second I start thinking about their issues, they can just look come right back at me because I've got my issues. But the greatest thing that the Lord put on my heart the day before my dad died, and I spoke some of his funeral was: I don't have to follow my father. I follow the Jesus that he followed. And so that's the key. You focus on him.
And you focus on At your dad's gravesite, when you go to that tombstone, And you have your conversation, or you have your memory, you have your moment, you have your laughter, you have your tears, you leave a note, you leave a card, you leave flowers, whatever. The thing you don't want to say is, Dad, I'll never quite be as big as you were. I'll never do what you did. I'll never live up to what you wanted. That is called debtor's grace, another way of saying slavery, which you said it earlier.
And that would be, and I don't care if your dad put that on you. 'Cause a lot of dads did put that on their sons. Shame on them to put shame on their kids. Because What grace is, is God gave His Son So that we to become Beloved sons, in him, by his perfect life, by his achievement. And My dad never bested what Jesus Christ could do.
My dad did not die on the cross for the sins of mankind and redeem mankind.
Okay.
And I know he didn't come out of the grave because I was there at his grave.
Okay.
He will rise in the resurrection. But sometimes these funerals glamorize our dads like they were the, you know, not just our dads, like you go to a funeral and, you know, well. We never had a cross word. There's a little, you know, little sniffle in the back, you know, oh, well, hold on. You know, I mean, we kind of, and so, and I'm not saying don't say nice things and all that.
But The fact is, is Jesus is the star. Right. Jesus is the patriarch. We need to go to him. He's the vine.
We're the branches. He's the king. He's the Lord, and He's the one that gave us our dads. And He's the one that took our dads, and He's the one that puts the Father's Spirit in us. To You know, progenate that across the next generation.
Yeah. And to really serve and love and build our family up.
So that I can say my kids are better. My daughter, my other daughter, got a amazing Accolay this morning. Amazing. I can't even tell you yet. It's not even out yet.
And this is a daughter that m some of y'all don't even know. And the first thing my wife says is, wow, what would Pop have thought about that? And he would have gone gangbusters and is probably clapping and shouting in heaven, you know, because of this wonderful. opportunity that my daughter got You know, that we just found about literally hours ago. You know, so that's a, but that's a blessing.
Yeah. You know, that's a, you know, and that's also, listen, there's comfort for those who didn't have a dad, who have dad scars all over them. Yeah, absolutely. Because Jesus took the ultimate scars. Yeah.
Jesus had the best father. Mm-hmm. Think about that. And Jesus had the best father, but he endured the worst. From that father.
to the point where you didn't even call him father in those words, my God, my God, why? Have you forsaken me? But he took those The worst from his father. The wrath of God. Upon the only begotten Son of God, the righteous, the perfect, the holy, the Lamb of God without blemish, so that we.
Could become sons and daughters of God. And so that we are never forsaken.
So here, Jesus experienced what it was like to be forsaken, but we will not. We are promised that. And I agree with you completely that not everybody. Has had the example of a godly father. In fact, probably most of our listeners did not have that example.
And so, like you said, we don't need to have this pressure of following in our father's footsteps. We can follow in the father's footsteps.
So, that's what our goal is, is to become Christ-like and to be refined in that image. And, you know, I mean, I think that it is such a blessing when you have a godly father. But I can tell you from really loving both sides that there's blessings in not having a godly father too, because you see the goodness of the Lord, how he's so other than us, how he's thrice holy, right? He's so different. Than we are.
And I would say that to the listeners today: that if you're listening and you didn't have a father that you could look to and say, My father was a great representation of the goodness of Christ in my life. You can still look to Christ and say, Christ redeems all of that. You know, that He came, He is a father to the fatherless. That's what my dad used to say, Robbie. I want you I'm sorry to cut you off, but my dad used to say this all the time.
How? Is God a father to the fatherless? Because that's almost become, that can become a sermon for Christian nets or like a little anecdote.
Well, he's a, well, my dad would look at a room full of guys. Through you. Yeah. Go out and pick up that kid that ain't got no dad and take him to ice cream and take him to play ball. and hang out with them.
And be like your stepdad did. He doesn't have a biological tie to you. Right. Let's go do a blood test. What's wrong with this picture?
Yet, look at the supernatural role that he is, God used him in a supernatural way because at some point he got the gospel. Absolutely. And the gospel got him. Yeah. Right?
And then God used him. Supernaturally, and there are relationships. I'm closer to him, Robbie, than I am to biological relatives as brothers in Christ. Because of the grace of God. And so that's how, like, that's how it spreads.
It's just the John 20:21, as the Father sent me. I'm sending you.
So go out and bring the Father and bring His love and His unconditional grace and acceptance. Yeah. Because of what happened. At Calvary, He's opened heaven's door. For this to happen.
But go jump in on that, Robin. No, no, you couldn't be more rights to. And I love it that. A lot of people think that God's the backup plan when you don't have a father, but actually, He's been orchestrating fathers into everybody's life. You had a grandfather, you had an uncle, or there was a coach, or there was somebody.
If you start, and we in Masculine Journey, what we do is we actually begin to look, God sent this man, God sent that man, and all these different fathers into your life so that you can experience Galatians 4, which talks about you being adopted, so you can say, Oh, I'm not a slave because Abba is my father. And that idea of Abba father actually. comes through. that grandfather or that uncle or or that coach or that teacher. And when you sit back and you really begin to praise God for the how He orchestrated your life to get you to this point.
And and and there's no doubt that in spite I had an amazing dad, But there were lots of areas in my life spiritually. Like, man, I've known this guy since, what, 94? 94 or 95. Yeah. Right.
And when I met Stu, I'd been in Christ three years. He's got stories. I've seen him in the hospital. I love having him on the show. I feel like he connects to everybody, every guest that we've ever hosted together.
I feel like you've had some sort of connection. And honestly, it's like that's part of why hope in the morning exists too, is because just like Christ said that you will be known as my disciples if you love one another. And that's what we aim to do here: help people understand how do we love one another? How can we be spiritual brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers to one another in our greatest sorrows? And, you know, just like you said, that you were at the funeral of his dad.
That's being a brother in Christ, that you're there, you're saying, you know, I know this is going to be a hard day, and I'm right here next to you as your brother. I was at the funeral of his dad, too.
However, there were about 40,000 people. Oh, wow. And it was only about 30 minutes, 25 minutes, right? Oh, it was. When the preacher said, hey, it's okay to use the restroom if you need to, like the place emptied.
And they came right back, of course. But it wasn't. Even being on the front road had to go back. That's funny. One of the most magnificent events I've ever seen for those who weren't there.
Every single grandchild, every single child, there was testimony after testimony. In other words, here were. I mean, huge people in the church. You know, the John MacArthurs and all those people of the world. I can't name all the dignitaries that were there yet.
and the people in business, big, huge radio people, but no, no, no, it was a family It was the family that gave honor to the dad, to the granddad. It was.
But, like Stu said, I didn't see him come up either. Yeah. And my dad certainly. But that's the hope. That's the hope of the resurrection.
I mean, over and over again, Peter talks about this great expectation we have, this great. These scoffers are always saying, Where's the promise of his coming? Come on, it's been 2,000 years. And Peter has to remind him: he says, He's coming. Yeah.
But it's going to be swift and sudden, like a thief in the night. But he is coming, and you better be ready. And the moment, in the twinkle of the eye, at the last trump, the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised. In fact, they'll be raised first. And so there's a.
There's a um There's a great hope to that. and they're and we don't want to lose sight of the next great event in history. Yeah. The Return of the King. We're in the in-between.
This is not how it's going to be. And we have to remember that. But it's okay to lean into those emotions and to struggle and to have the tender moments and to weep and weep and wail all you want, but there's coming a day. You know, when we'll be reunited, you know, and our faith will be sight. Yeah, well, and we talk about that, too, the fact that.
Grief is a godly thing because it's recognition of the fact that this is not how God intended life to be, right? Death was a consequence for sin. Jesus came to redeem that. And so that's where we have our hope. That's why, you know, on Hope in the Morning, we don't just share stories of sorrow.
They're filled with hope, every single one of them. And that's, He's our hope. He's our only hope. Otherwise, we would have despaired. If we hadn't found delight in His word, we would have despaired.
But we don't have to despair, you know? And that is, again, why it's so important. And I know that you do this often and you do this as a pastor. It's so important that we share the gospel. You know, you said that your dad purchased these books because every time that he read a book that was meaningful to him, he wanted to share that.
Well, as believers, that's what we want to do. Look, there's nothing more meaningful than the gospel and the transformative power of Christ in our lives.
So that's what we want to share. And that's what we want to share in every testimony that we ever share on here is how did Christ redeem your suffering? Because he will.
Well, I was playing ball the other day with some guys, and I just had a burden for this one guy. He was rough. He was rough. And we built a camaraderie on the basketball court. And I had a gospel track.
a particular one called the story. that my dad bought a case of. And How to get that into someone's hand, to get them to take it with a prayer that they'll read it. And with a prayer that maybe they'll come to Christ through it. I know a guy who's a missionary who got saved from a gospel track.
He visited a church, a little old lady gave him a gift pack. He opened the track that night when he went to bed with his wife. He read it? He said, Oh, wow. I can receive Christ right now.
He prayed to receive Christ. It had changed his life.
Now he's a missionary.
Now he's back pastoring the church. And so I know it's powerful. But you don't want to just throw it at someone. And I thought, how cool is that? That I can with with Genuine Authentic Truth in my eyes.
Look at this guy and say, Hey, before my dad died. He bought a bunch of books. And he said, youngsto, if you're not going to be able to. You bump into someone that's made an impression on you that you feel touched to give this to, please give it to them. I have some left, and I want to give this to you.
His g kid's name was James. I said, Here you go. And he took it. He said, man, thanks so much. That's kind of cool.
But the idea of bringing my dad into that. My dad would absolutely love it, and I really believe it's an excuse. Paul said, all things all men to win the sum, right? Your neighbor's tennis player will take up tennis and lead them to Christ. Yeah.
You know, find find an angle. Yeah. Where are you from? Like your sales guy, you know? Used to say that and get right into the guy who was your best salesman because he just found a hook.
Well, with the gospel. One of the greatest hooks is As crazy as it sounds, it's deaf. Yeah. Because it's there, it's staring at you. Yep.
And you're going to be dealing with it no matter what. And if you have someone who's gone there, and died And they've gone ahead to heaven. Would they not want every ounce of their life and their death and their story? to be leveraged to bring others into the life of Jesus Christ. And so I've I've been using that Since dad passed, even more.
I mean, we created a little share of the truth card out of his funeral. This evangelist buddy of mine already had a ministry of apologetics. We kind of customized some things and we gave out probably two or three thousand of these cards and little New Testaments at my dad's service. Wow.
And the card. When they hit the QR code On their phone, it It went to me in my dad's chair in my dad's house in my dad's study saying, Big Stew would want you to come and know Jesus. Here's the gospel. Thanks for coming and celebrating his life. You're probably on your way home to West Virginia or you're on your way back to the airport, but I want to share a quick message about how you can be saved.
And so we had that created that little thing.
So that people Leaving and people to this day, there's ways that I think there's a way to find that. There's that video still there somewhere, you know. I love that. Another thing that you had said, where there's like that hook with death, is that we all have death in common, right? It doesn't matter who we are, that's our final, that's our final ending.
But in Hebrews, when it talks about how Satan has used death to enslave people, we can be, we're free in Christ. Like we've become sons and heirs with Christ, right? He's our master now. We don't have to live as slaves to the fear of death, but so many people are. And so we can go and we can say, I was just like you.
We're no different. You know, I mean, my husband, he went to seminary too, and he used to preach some at our church. And he would say, you know, if you're saved here, it's not because you're so great. It's because you were the worst of the worst. And so you can proclaim God's glory.
And that is such a powerful thing for us to have humility in front of people and say, listen. I was a slave too. But I'm not a slave anymore, and you don't have to be either. And then to have programs like the Truth Network. Is so incredible too because you're not just leaving them.
They need to be discipled. You know, after they come to know Christ, you can't just leave them. They have to be discipled. And you guys have so many wonderful programs here that really span the whole gamut of life experiences. This being one of them.
And I love the title. This is a breath of fresh air. This show. I hope in the morning. You know, I don't wanna leave anybody with the impression that I didn't mourn.
Yeah, absolutely. I honestly, my dad passed in 2019. It was over at Christmas. I finally cleaned out his closet. And it was hard.
Yeah. However, it's hope in the morning, right? That these things, they're really and they touch you. In really places that you didn't see coming. And I don't know.
Uh That you ever completely get past this, all of a sudden it grabs you from nowhere. And you saw it grabs too not long ago. Yeah. It's there for you all the time.
Well, think about Jesus, the shortest verse in the Bible. The one that when you tell kids to quote your verse, they jump on. Jesus wept. Yeah. Well, hold on a second.
Jesus wept. Well, why?
Well, we don't know exactly why.
Well, because these people were so unbelieving. Here you have the man that walked on water that raised the dead, and here he is, and you were, you know, how. How dare you, you bad sinners, don't have faith. Or was it because he saw, you know, he was feeding on there, he was torn up by, you know, he loved Lazarus. You know, there's all these scenarios.
But the fact of the matter is, he was embroiled. In a morning mess. He was in the throes of a bunch of people whose hearts were broken.
So let's just get real, let's get raw. Let's go back into that culture, into the pages of scripture without our. Western quick snap the finger microwave discussion about it. And let's remember that the Lord was, that He Himself bore our griefs and carried our sorrows. He was called a man of sorrows.
In fact, some pastors have said, I don't see Jesus laughing anywhere in the Bible. And I'm not saying he didn't. 'Cause you can't help but he had to laugh at some you know, some things going on, you know. And that you can't help that he had a sense of humor with these disciples, right? And with us, like, look at me, God didn't have a sense of humor, just follow me around for a few minutes, right?
But the fact is, he wept. The fact is he was touched. The fact is that I can't feel Robbie's pain. What, Stu, you lost a dad just like he did. I didn't lose his dad.
Right. I'm not Robbie Dilmore the third or the second or whatever. I'm Stu Jr. I'm not Robbie Jr. I didn't lose his dad, so I don't know what he went through, even though I lost a dad.
And people are quick to say, Well, I lost my dad, Stew, so here's, you know, good, thank you. Put your arm around me, please pray, and I'm so grateful for your testimony. You didn't lose my dad, right? Right. But Jesus Christ.
Wept, and in that moment, he felt and he feels our pain. No one feels your pain like Jesus.
So you can't say no one doesn't know what they're going through, but I got to tell you something funny. If that's okay. Yeah, absolutely. She said we could laugh and cut up on our. Yes.
Robbie was really. In the middle of this, and this was about one of the best, funniest things. We were at the National Religious Broadcasters. And it was February. Dad passed away in July.
and these super sweet kingdom-minded ministry guys from, I believe, from South Korea. They would always come to NR B. They always come and they talk to my dad. They loved him. My dad would say, go talk to little Stu and he'll help you get a radio program, you know?
And So they came by our booth. And they walked up to Robbie and to me. I got this on video. This is on my Facebook page at stew.Epperson. And they said, remember the question?
They said Hey, hey, where's Big Stew? How's Big Stew doing? Remember Robbie? And Robbie said, oh man, remember? Yeah.
We had some fun with that, didn't we? Oh, yeah.
Well, we talked about it, man.
Well, let me tell you something: he's playing 36 holes of golf. He's running a 5K every day. He is playing full court basketball again. He's not on his meds. He's cancer-free.
His knees aren't bad. Unbelievable. He just did a run with Nehemiah because it was a wall run. Yeah, there you go. And he's been hanging out with Caleb.
He's got dinner tonight with Philip, with Bartholomew, and Abel's going to be there too. And they're going to have a hoot. And most importantly, he's face-to-face with Jesus. And the guy's still looking at us, scratching his head and saying, oh, what do you mean by all this? And we're like.
He's in heaven. And the guy's like, oh, great. And they start to celebrate with us. But the initial thought is, oh, I'm so sorry. Oh, I'm so sorry.
And I'm like, don't apologize for heaven. You think he wants to come back here? Yeah. Even to the NRB, you know, with all these big Christian leaders and all these broadcasters and all these Christian radio and TV stations and internet people. No, he wants to be right where he is.
But anyway, but I've had that, a couple of folks ask me that, and I have more fun. And it reminds me every time that happens, and it reminds us that moment, Robbie, you were there. Reminds us of how amazing heaven is. We don't talk about it enough. Yeah, yeah.
And that really is our hope in the morning. That man, I go to prepare a place for you. Yeah. If I go, I'm gonna come back again. I don't have to take you with me.
Yeah. Yeah. Wow, I've been working on this thing. I mean, it took six days for him to create the earth. He's been working on heaven for over 2,000 years.
What kind of bang-up place is that going to be? You know, I've thought before, even more so, because I think I had the perspective with the verse of Jesus wept. I kind of had the perspective when I came into this ministry of what you had mentioned, where it's like, well, he was mourning with Mary and Martha. He loved Lazarus. But since doing this ministry, another thought has occurred to me, and it's that.
For the first time, Jesus experienced the consequences of sin. He lived it in human form, and he saw what. What that separation of God felt like because he did love Lazarus, he did love Mary and Martha, and so he felt in a very personal humane way what the fall had done to us. What a beautiful thing to think that he felt that. He felt the weight of that, and he knew.
I'm here to redeem that. I'm here to make that right. And, you know, another thing with hope in the morning, like you had mentioned with your dad, is that yes, we rejoice in heaven, but you're so right that so many times people think, oh, I don't want to say their name because that's going to make them sad again. We miss them all the time. Yeah, you shouldn't have to do it.
You know, and that was one of the reasons why, honestly, we were set to do this one other time. And I told my husband, I'm like, I can't do it. I'm too emotional about it. For me, it's That's part of why I wanted today to be more lighthearted and joyful. And you know, we we're just uh just barely a year out from my dad's death and so I feel like the like the weight is hitting harder now than it did before, um, which makes me cry.
But But I think when we can mix that with the hope that we have of Christ, then it makes it It's this this Beautiful suffering, right? Because we can come alongside one another and we can say, this hurts. And that's again why Hope in the Morning exists is because we we are not different in our humanity because we're Christians. To lose a child hurts no matter whether you're a believer or not. To lose your dad hurts whether you're a believer or not.
What's different is the hope. What's different is the perspective. Um and even you know I had I had Carrie Hardy on here yesterday and we we talked about going from slaves to sons, but But we talked a little bit about how do you give people hope when their loved one didn't know the Lord? Because that's another thing that I think, as believers, we don't know how to handle that. Because we're so used to saying, well, there's heaven, and he's with the Lord, and he wouldn't want to come back, and all that stuff.
And those are true. But how do you comfort somebody when they're not with the Lord? And I'm going to leave that as a little teaser for people to go and listen to that episode as from slaves to sons. You know, this is what I was hoping this would be: is something where we can be genuine about the sorrow that is there and real. And as you said, it's like.
Our sorrow, we have something in common, but it's still different. You know, we all lost someone different. And navigating that loss looks different for each of us. But we can come alongside one another and encourage each other in truth. And that's what I hope everybody that's listening to this episode will leave encouraged and thinking about their dads, if they've lost their dad, in a joyful way where they can think, oh, my dad would have loved coffee.
My dad would have loved, you know, to play those golf coals. And that they can just have a smile on their face as they remember their dads today.
So would you do me a favor and would you close us out in prayer for those that are listening that are missing their dads or missing someone else today? Let's do it. Heavenly Father, we thank you for Your amazing love. bestowed upon us, poured upon us, lavished upon us, in uh in this great demonstration. Yeah.
Jesus Christ coming. Into into this messy world, this world of death and pain and thorns and all kinds of issues and coming to live a life we couldn't live and to die in our place. to bring us to the Father, to bring us to you. We just thank you for him And that he is uh It's just a uh he is the He is the one we look to. He is our hope.
And the blessed hope and we thank you Jesus is coming again. And I just pray that that will be real. And that will be in the front of our minds, Lord. And I just pray for peace and grace. upon those who are Struggling?
And upon those who missed their dads, I sure missed mine. Thank you that He is with you, Lord. And that He is uh He's glorified. Wow.
And I just thank you for just the godly dads we've talked about. They're all together hanging out, probably thinking, wow, these guys are doing a cool radio podcast here. What a deal.
So, thank you for the legacy and for giving us that. And we pray we would be vessels. Lord, we pray that we would take our. struggle our mourning our loss to fill And to pour grace into others who are struggling. That's why we're still here.
Even in our own family, our kids need to see that we love them unconditionally. And I pray you'll give us that, and I pray that you'll take this program and you'll touch a lot of people through it in this great ministry. this great book Lord, that you've used Emily to write with all these amazing testimonies, that it'll really be. really be an impact and touch a lot of people and point them to you. The God of all hope, the God of all joy.
The God who loves us, and the God who keeps us and sustains us. And may we lean into you, and may we all turn to you and trust you, because your grace is sufficient. And may we be weak so you can be strong. And may we not be self-sufficient, but Christ sufficient. relying on, depending on, trusting you.
And I just pray that for everyone listening. And I pray you'll keep blessing this show and use it to touch a whole lot of folks. to point them. To the cross and to the Savior. And it's in His name we pray.
Amen. Amen. Stu and Robbie, thank you for joining me today. And for those of you listening, may you find hope in your mourning. Hope in the Morning is a non-profit ministry that seeks to encourage the hurting.
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