Every Member a Minister

Thanks for listening to the latest podcast from Him We Proclaim with Pastor John Fonville. In this special series, we'll explore how the gospel speaks to our identity, our calling, and our confidence in Christ. Drawing from passages in Luke, Matthew, Ephesians, 1 Peter, and Jude, Pastor John unpacks themes like grace and vocation. The power of God's Word and the unshakable assurance we have in Christ's favor and goodness. Whether you're struggling with your calling, seeking clarity on your role in the church, or simply needing encouragement.

These messages will remind you of the sufficiency of Christ and the hope we have in the gospel. Here's John with a message called Every Member a Minister. Amen. You can be seated. As you just heard, the book of Ephesians chapter 4.

I want you to turn there. We're looking at the doctrine of vocation. The doctrine of vocation from Ephesians chapter 4. Perhaps you've heard this phrase. All right.

Uh the phrase is Every member, a minister. Have you heard that phrase before? Right. Every member is a minister. Every member has a ministry.

It's based upon this passage from Ephesians chapter 4 verses 11 through 12 where some of the modern translations say like this, he gave the apostles, he gave the prophets and the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, pastors and teachers. to equip the saints. Four. The work of ministry. That's where it comes from.

Every member, minister. Every member has a ministry. Every member is a minister. For the building up of the body of Christ.

Now, based upon this reading, it's believers who are said carries out the church's ministry. since every believer is called to ministry. It's The responsibility of every member of the church. To find and fulfill his or her personal ministry so that the church can be built up. If you don't have a personal ministry, Then what happens?

You begin to feel guilty. Because you're told you're not living your life on. Mission. You're told that you're not. Radical.

You're told that you're not sold out. You're told that you're not Committed. No, not voiced. Viewed as a Second-class Christian. Because you're ordinary Daily mundane life that starts every Monday morning.

is considered of less spiritual value. And so, what happens is the consequence is tragic that many Christians worry about the value. of what they're doing with their life. They began to think. What good is my life?

What value is my life? I'm just a student. I go to high school. I go to middle school. I'm in elementary school.

I just turned 10. I'm an attorney. I'm a contractor. I'm a dentist. I'm an attorney.

I'm a school teacher. I'm a construction worker. Right. I'm trying to get into the US Navy. Or the US Army.

Now, there we go. But you begin to think about these ordinary things of life. And you go, what good is this? And so you began to feel that you should spend your time doing something that was more of service to the Lord, such as evangelizing. You have to baptize your vocation work.

to call it I mean Christian Plummer. Just very quickly, there's no such thing as Christian plumbing. Our plumbing was messed up bad this past week. Our house smelled like rotten eggs with rotten onions for about four days. it was so rancid you couldn't even take a shower.

And Kathy and I were calling plumber after plumber after plumber after plumber. Please just come fix this. We're dying in this house. He didn't show up and say, well, I read the book of Ephesians and it says I hear how to fix your plumbing. I don't care if he is a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu or whatever, just fix it.

It's plumbing. But Christians feel like to be significant with what they're doing, they've got to baptize it because it's their ministry. You come to church and you have the coffin ministry. Right? The coffee.

What do you do at church? I run the coffee ministry. I didn't know coffee was a ministry, I thought it was just coffee. And so you begin to feel guilty, like you have to spend your time doing something. There's more.

A service to the Lord, something that makes something that you're Your life counts for. I ha I I have to go dick wells in Africa, right? I've got to go to the Ukraine and rescue orphans or something like that, something big, something that counts. And so perhaps you can relate to this feeling of guilt because you felt this heavy burden of not measuring up. Because you don't have a personal ministry in the church.

Now enter the Reformation. And the intern, the Reformation doctrine of vocation. Michael Horton says that when most believers think about the Reformation, they think about justification solifide. They think about the authority of Scripture, sola scriptura. That's correct.

But he says, very few think about the doctrine of vocation. But thanks to Luther, he recovered this. This word and this concept, vocation. And he says that there were so many Christians whose lives were transformed and revolutionized by the gospel, it changed their whole outlook. Listen, on Monday morning...

The doctrine of vocation gave them categories for thinking about Monday through Friday, the workdays. And I like this. He says they weren't just working for the weekend. Right, and how that song goes, just working for the weekend. And so here's how he put it.

Luther said that even when a milkmaid is milking a cow, she's glorifying God just as much as a preacher in a pulpit preaching a sermon. Her life. What he's saying is her life... and work her calling matters. And that makes a difference.

Faith in his book, God in Work, which we're studying. We're getting ready to study. We started it today. Michael did a great job in catechism class. You've got to come to catechism class.

It's fantastic, and you don't want to miss it. This book, God In Work, Jean V says, the doctrine of vocation brings the gospel into ordinary life. Isn't that great? He says that the doctrine of vocation transfigures the mundane routines of ordinary life. and it charges them with purpose.

How many of you have felt like you didn't ever have purpose? It charges it with purpose. The doctrine of vocation, you're going to see it. It charges your life, your work, and what you do with purpose. Great.

Purpose. spiritual significance. Listen to this, in the very presence of God. God is in work and he's with you empowering you to fulfill the great commandment.

So, what is the doctrine of vocation? Simply put, the doctrine of vocation refers to all the various Lean's that God has called us to. In our life. Being a Christian is a calling. What is a Christian?

A Christian is a person who has heard and believed the gospel. It's a person who has been called by faith. by the gospel through the power of the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 1, verse 9, Paul says that God is faithful through whom you were. Cold.

into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. Paul says in Ephesians chapter 4, in our passage here, chapter 4, verse 4, he says, There is one body. One spirit, just as you were also called. in one hope of your calling. We're called.

All called. If you're a Christian, we are called to faith. We are called to fellowship with Christ. We are called to the body of Christ. We're called.

That's evocation. And look at Ephesians chapter 4, verse 1. Having been called by faith. The first three chapters, chapter 4, verse 1, God continues to call us to look, walk. Worthy of this calling.

Therefore, He says, I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner. Worthy. of the with which you have been Cold. And here's the good news. Christ keeps calling us over.

lifetime. Every time we come to church and we hear God's word read to us. We hear God's word proclaimed to us. We receive God's word given to us in the sacraments and here Christ Words. Speak to us.

is my body which is given for you. He's calling. He never stops. And so All believers are called by God to be sheep. Members of the body of Christ.

But listen carefully. All believers are called to be sheep, But all believers are not called to be shepherds. Ministers, pastors. You see, this is the problem with this idea of every member a minister. It's a confusion of vocation.

Listen to Gene Veith, how he explains it. He says, All Christians are called by the gospel into faith. The pastor's calling, the shepherd, he's talking about Ephesians 4 here. The pastor's calling is a vocation of particular importance. The pastor is preaching, teaching, shepherding, and administering of the sacraments.

God himself is working. Do we mean what? Bringing sinners to himself through the work of a human. Lay people too have vocations they can bring into the life of the church.

Now this is kind of dated, so we'll update it for Sierra and the music team. He says, the lay people have vocations they can bring into the life of the church. He says, playing the organ. We don't have an organ, so play in the acoustic guitar.

Alright. Playing the drums, Matt, today. Thank you, Matt. You served us well. You loved your neighbor.

Thank you. But he says as you lay people can you can bring your vocations Administering property. singing in a choir, well singing up here in the music team. All right. Helping with various committees and programs, serving on the vestry.

I can't tell you how grateful I am for our vestry. They are a blessing to this church. And they discovered very quickly John's a teacher. He knows Greek, Hebrew, historical theology, systematic theology, expositional preaching, all that kind of stuff. He doesn't know this other stuff, or Yeah.

He needs some help. because of 1 Corinthians 12. God doesn't give me every spiritual gift. All right. Um God calls us he uh To marriage.

to just productive work. But he says that Listen. What happens is is The notion that every minister. That remember as a minister is a confusion of vocation. That's the problem here.

Does this mean that lay people don't serve and don't have acts of service? No, not at all. Listen. Every believer is called to be a sheep. But not every believer is called to be a shepherd.

That's what Paul's teaching here in Ephesians. Though we're not called specifically to church ministry. This is what's important to understand from the doctrine of vocation that the Reformation restored to the church to set people free. Every work. Every vocation is a sacred calling of God and service to ours neighbor.

And it matters. And it doesn't have to be baptized with the adjective ministry. To count. Gene Fee says to be shown lay people need to witness to their faith. But we can be most effective in doing so, not when we do the same things that a pastor does.

But when we witness And I Our vocations. For example, at the workplace, when we're in contact with people, the pastor may never see. In the family, we can witness to our spouse and children. As we serve people in vocation, we can help bring them into the church. But to think that the church work professions constitute the only true service of God is to repeat the mistakes of the medieval church.

Which exalted these religious orders but considered secular orders. And when you hear the word secular, don't think bad or dirty, just think separate from the church. But consider the secular orders, including marriage. And just ordinary productive work as having less spiritual value. Thus, making a living, going shopping, being a good citizen, spending time with your family is the ordinary routine of life.

And these are all spheres in which God is at work through human means.

Now listen to this. This is so crucial. In a time when we define ourselves by our work, what do you do when you meet a person for the first time? You ask, what's your name, and what do you. Do you In a time when we define ourselves by our work and yet question its significance.

When we crave family values, Boy, that's a big one in our culture, isn't it? when we crave family values but are confused about our social roles. Yeah. That's huge. The doctrine of vocation can transfigure everyday life.

So, with that context in mind, let's take a second look at Ephesians 4. All right, specifically in verses 11 through 12. Let's discover what Paul is actually saying. because it's actually really Good news. The focus of chapter 4, verses 7 through 16, is on the ordinary offices of pastoral ministry.

Not what lay people do. But, as we'll come to see, Paul does not ignore the general office of believers either. For example, in verse 16, in verses 25 to 32 of chapter 4. in chapters five and six of Ephesians. Paul tells us that members are not just passive recipients of the gifts that Christ has given to the church.

Rather, he tells us that all believers, all members of the body of Christ, have a vital contribution to the life of the body. As he says in verse 16, according to the proper working of each individual part. Everybody, everybody has a part, everybody has a vocation in the church. They're not the same vocations. And he says, a whole body working together, as each individual part works together, it causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.

Going back to the vestry, if I had to do the entire church budget, if I had to do all the church bookkeeping in accounting, if I had to organize the nursery, the toddlers, the children's curriculum, like Jamie and JT do a fabulous job with that. If I had to get up here and do all the music, if I had to set the whole church up. Every week and do absolutely everything there is to have a church service. I would laugh one Sunday, maybe. But that doesn't mean that every member is a pastor.

Every member is a minister. It's a confusion of vocations. And Paul clarifies that for us in this text. He sets forth for us a clear distinction between the vocation of pastors, which is verses 11 and 12. And the vocation of church members, which is verses 16 to the end of this book, chapter 6.

And so he shows how these separate vocations, these separate callings, work together for the edification. the growth and maturing building up of the church. No. How should verses eleven and twelve actually be read?

Well, King James gets it right. Right. The good old King James Version, it actually got this right when it says, and here's how you shouldn't read it. He gave, who's he? That's the ascended Christ.

Verses back in verse 7, Christ ascended with his victory from his life, death, burial, burial, resurrection, and ascension. He has now, with the spoils of his victory, poured out his gifts upon the church. All right, and so Jesus, the ascended Christ, gave some apostles and some prophets the extraordinary office that doesn't exist anymore. And he gave some evangelists, that's church planters. And he gave some pastors and he gave some teachers.

I'll come back to that. Verse 12, here's how you read it. Why didn't he give these gifted ones? These gifts. to his church.

Verse 12, for three reasons. One, for the perfecting, but it's really preparation. of the saints. First, second, for the work I love the ministry. Third, for the edifying of the body of Christ.

That's what it says in the original in the Greek, and the King James gets that translation correct. It shows that these three prepositional phrases describe the ministry of the gifted ones in verse 11.

So, in Ephesians chapter 4, verses 11 through 12, Paul is outlining three responsibilities of the vocation of pastors. First, look what he says: the ascent to Christ has given pastors and teachers to his church. Here for the equipping or preparation Ah, the saints. What is that? Why is he doing that?

To protect God's people from false teachers and false teaching in the church. That's the context. Look at verse 11, look at verse 12. He, the ascended Christ, gave some pastors and teachers, verse 12, for the preparation. of the saints.

Now, most translations Saying equip. Or equipping. But as this New Testament scholar points out, it really communicates the idea of preparation. That Paul has this idea of a person who is arranging and preparing an army for battle. And so this is how we could read it.

He, the ascended Christ, gave some pastors and he gave some teachers for the preparation of the saints.

So the question is. Two things. What are pastors and teachers and what are they preparing them for? What are they preparing believers for?

Well Look at Verse 14. Paul says that they are preparing believers to be protected against false teaching. Look, verse 14, so that we're no longer to be children. tossed here and there in waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine. By the trickery of men, by craftiness and deceitful scheming.

That's what Pastors have been given by Christ as a gift to you to prepare you for, to protect you from this craftiness and human deceitful scheming. The trickery of men, false teachers who lead you away from Christ and his gospel.

Now, this is important because remember, this idea of preparation is preparing a person for spiritual battle. Listen to how Paul concludes his letter. Look at chapter 6, verses 10 through 12, because this has everything to do with what he's saying here now. Because this was what was in his mind when he wrote this. He says, verse 11, chapter 6, verse 11: put on the whole armor of God.

Why?

So that you can stand against the wiles of the devil. It's exactly what he just said in chapter 4, verse 14. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Paul, when he writes chapter four. Right?

Verse 12, where he says, The ascended Christ has given gifted ones, gifts. He's poured out gifts upon his visible church. to prepare the saints for what? A cosmic battle against evil spiritual forces that are seeking to destroy them. And that's what he's talking about here at the end of his letter.

He says there are principalities, there are powers, there are rulers of this darkness of this world, there are spiritual wickedness in high places. seeking to destroy your life. And how is this done principally? Paul says in the context: this is done principally. false teachers in the visible church.

Not every person who teaches and preaches in the church is actually legitimate. And should not be listened to and followed. And so to protect his people, because he loves his sheep. What shepherd doesn't love his sheep, right? The ascended Christ has given to his church the vocation of pastors and teachers whose calling is to prepare God's people for spiritual battle so that they can withstand false teaching.

which corrupts the gospel. and corrupts Christ and corrupts his church. Second, the ascended Christ has given pastors and teachers to the church to fulfill the work of the ministry. the church. Look at verse 11, verse 12, chapter 4.

He, the ascended Christ, gave some pastors and teachers for the work of ministry. That's the pastor's work, not your work. Teachers, what are teachers here? Most of you don't know what pastor, shepherd, pastor means shepherd, right? Pointe means shepherd.

But what is teacher? Teacher refers to a special subdivision of power. Pastors, shepherds, who Are gifted by God and charged particularly with teaching God's word to God's people. That's what they spend their whole time doing. And this comes, for example, from 1 Timothy 5, verse 17, where Paul says the elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor.

Listen, especially those who work hard. at preaching and teaching. That's what teachers are in the church, and they are a gift. from Christ to his sheep.

Now, the big question is And here it is, right? What is the work of ministry that Paul's speaking of? Because if it's not. You being equipped to do the work of ministry, but it's actually the pastors and teachers equipped to do this work of the ministry. What is the work of ministry?

It's not coffee. Right, that's an act of service, that's a great vocation. It's a calling. It's a great act of service to love your neighbor, but it's not ministry. From the context, what the work of ministry is.

is the primary responsibility of pastors and teachers. is this. is proclaiming and teaching God's word. It's word-based ministry that For what purpose? To grow the church, mature the church, protect the church, unify the church in love.

That's exactly what Paul goes on to say. And verse is Thirteen and following. And so So important and necessary is the work of ministry. By the vocation of pastors and teachers. John Calvin writes this about the office.

He says, there is nothing more notable or glorious in the church than the ministry of the gospel. Because It is the administration of the Holy Spirit. and of righteousness, justification. The eternal life. It's important.

It matters. It's protecting God's people. It is giving God's people salvation and life, righteousness, ministry of the Holy Spirit. And so the ascended Christ gifts of pastors and teachers are simply what? It's an extension of his ascension to heaven.

It's an extension of his loving service to his people. What did he say before he ascended? I'll never leave you or forsake you.

Well, he left. When he ascended, he poured himself back out through the human vocation of pastors and teachers to continue to love and serve his sheep. And through his gifted ones, the ascended Christ continues to serve his people. How does he do it? Listen to Gene Veith again.

He says the vocation of pastor is a special office indeed. Not that it's more meritorious than any other vocation, it isn't. God acts in his hidden and other vocations as well. But the pastoral office serves not just the world, but God's spiritual kingdom. Christ is active in the pastor's work in a saving way.

Giving the pastor's words and ministry eternal consequences, just as God raises children through families. gives daily bread through farmers. Heals through doctors, nurtures, feeds, and heals on the spiritual level through the vocation of the ministry. Christ proclaims his forgiveness of sins through the lips of a pastor. It is Christ who is preaching, baptizing, presiding at his supper, and in the deepest sense ministering to his people through the earthen vessel of the pastor.

That's what Paul says here. And so, to grow God's people in unity and love, to protect them from false teaching, the ascended Christ gave pastors and teachers to fulfill the work of the ministry, which is to proclaim and teach God's word faithfully to God's people. And so, what does that tell us? Listen very carefully. There's just one work of ministry, there's one ministry, but there are.

Endless vocations that applies that ministry through acts of service in fulfilling the great commandment to love one's neighbor. Here's the third thing. Listen. The ascended Christ has given pastors and teachers to his church. What?

Verse 12. To build up the body of Christ, he, the ascended Christ, gave some pastors and teachers for the building up of the body of Christ. He shows that as pastors and teachers fulfill their work of ministry, which is word-based teaching and preaching. They build up the body of Christ. They're like construction workers building a building.

They're like bodybuilders building a body. Pastors and teachers are bodybuilders. They're construction workers. They build things. They build the church.

How? Christ does it through them because why? Christ says, I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail over it. How does he build his church? Through the vocation of pastors and teachers.

And so, as we reflect on this passage this morning, notice how Paul I want you to see carefully how Paul clearly distinguishes the two vocations and how he shows how they work together. to melt up the body of Christ. Christ's service, the vocation of pastors and teachers, comes first, verses 11 and 12. Then, our service as lay people, vocation, as believers, who have all been called. flows from Christ's service.

Verses 14 and 16, just very quickly, I'll just summarize it for you. Verse 14, what is the outcome of the threefold responsibility of pastors and teachers? What's the outcome for you coming to Christ's visible church to receive his gifts? What's the outcome? Verse 14, protection from error.

Because all of us are so easily deceived and led astray. Fifteen, verse fifteen, doctrine oh maturity, it love. Coming to understand the knowledge of Christ. Nothing is more important for believers than to come to know Christ. Verse 16, church in unity.

Yeah. A church in unified Through the knowledge of Christ, through growing and maturity, protected from error. Don't you think those sound like great outcomes? And so Paul makes it clear that a foundation of maturity in the Christian faith and life involves, verse 13, the knowledge of Christ. How can you know Christ?

And that's what Paul says. the gospel unless they're sent to proclaim it. Sent by the church. Rejecting deceitful teaching and teaching of false teachers. Receiving the work of the ascended Christ in ministry.

All of this works together to empower us in our vocations to love and serve our neighbor, both in the church and in the world. This brings us to two important lessons as we finish. Here's the first lesson. Don't confuse the vocations of the ordinary Office of Pastors and Teachers. With the general office of all believers, don't confuse them.

Both callings. To be a pastor or a teacher, to be a Christian, to be a church member. Those callings are from God. They're significant. They're important.

But this idea that everyone's a minister is a confusion of vocation. Why is this distinction important? Let me give you three reasons. Very quickly. First, you have to distinguish these vocations because.

Verse, listen, it. Liberates the believer from being burdened with guilt for not having a significant personal ministry. You don't have to baptize, for example, the doctrine of vocation doesn't just apply to your work. But just for example, you don't have to baptize your work. with Christian language to make it significant.

Jean V shares a story about a nuclear physicist who discovered the liberating doctrine of vocation. He says that the physicist said that while he finds his work fascinating and indeed it's useful in the field of nuclear energy research, he used to worry about the value of it. Wonder, what am I doing? Is this really good? He felt like he should be spending his time doing something that was more of service, like I said, evangelizing or digging wells or something like that.

But ever since he learned about the doctrine of vocation, he feels a new satisfaction. in his work. Vasmal liberation. In his number-crunching, theory testing, in his exercising his abilities as a scientist, he knows that he's. Leading the life that the Lord has assigned to him and to which God has called him.

He's confident that in his office, as a scientist, in his vocation, he is doing God's work. You see, that's how it works right there. Second. Not confusing these vocations to have to baptize everything is your ministry, and I'm a minister and all this stuff. Understanding your calling as a Christian, listen, it means that you are significant.

You count. Your work is significant and it's purposeful and it counts. It transforms when you wake up tomorrow morning and go, gosh, I'm doing this again. It's like Groundhog Day. Your life gets filled with purpose and spiritual significance, and it gets filled with the very presence of God because your life and your work matter, they're significant.

You are going out to fulfill the great commandment, to do the works as we pray each week in this church. Help us now, but your mercy, to go out and to do all the good works that you're prepared for us to walk in. It has to do with fulfilling Christ's command to love your neighbor. As Luther has famously said, God does not need our good works, but our neighbor does. Your work matters to God.

Your life matters. God is with you and He is in you, carrying out your unique callings in this world to make a difference, to love and serve your neighbor. That's why it's important to distinguish these callings. If any of you would like to swap with me, I'll swap with Bill Gates and take his money. No, I'm just Then I'll come back and we'll build a great big building, right?

No, you don't want to do that. You don't want to confuse vocations and sin in your vocations. You want to be grateful for the callings that God has given you because your life matters and your work is significant. Third, understanding the importance of the pastor's calling, distinguishing these callings, understanding the importance of the pastor's calling, the necessity of it. Verses 11 and 12.

Helps the believer come to see the value of the Syndic's provisions for his or her life. Instead of saying if everybody's a minister, it's not really. Valuable. But if you see that this is the ascended Christ gift. That he has poured out for a specific calling to a specific individual to protect you from your error, to grow you up in maturity, to protect you from false teachers, right?

To grow the church in unity and love. To build up the spiritual body of Christ, you go, wow, that's a very important vocation. We value that. That's why it's important to distinguish these locations and callings from the ordinary office of pastor and the general office of all believers. Lesson number two, and we're finished.

Don't minimize the importance and necessity of a local church. All these beneficial outcomes that believers receive come from the vocation of pastors and teachers that descend to Christ has given as a gift. And listen, I conclude with Gene Veith. He says, Christ is also working in a powerful way through the vocation of the pastor as he talks about this Ephesians passage. He says, Christ.

Christ, as he animates his body, also works through what lay people are called to do in the local congregation. All of those seemingly humdrum tasks. Singing in the choir, changing baby's diapers, watching toddlers serving as an elder or serving on the vestry or being on the board of trustees if you're a Baptist, right? Teaching in Sunday school, teaching a catechism class, doing committee work. These are, nevertheless, critical areas of service that are tremendous blessings to the whole congregation.

But he says minimizing the ordinary local church is a great mistake. Why?

Because Christ is hidden in His church on earth, and He always has been. Just because he's not seen, just because there are no spectacular special effects, or because those who worship him in church are not religious superheroes, does not mean he's not present. He is where he has promised to be. And the word of God. in the sacraments and with his people.

Because where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there. with them. Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we thank you that you have given to us so many varied vocations and callings to love and serve our neighbor. And so help us to be faithful to receive your gifts here in your visible church so that we can be empowered with salt and light to go forth and to serve our neighbor in the various vocations and callings that we've been given.

Help us to be faithful, to receive, and then to respond with gratitude and give. We ask in Jesus' name. Amen. John Fonville sends his thanks for listening today. And before we wrap up, can I tell you about an encouraging book you might want to get soon?

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