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We've got two new editions of Whack and Chase which is really fun. And I wanted to talk a little bit about the World Golf Championship event that's coming down to Memphis. Very close. Do we get an event, a tour event that's closer to St. Louis than Memphis? 300 miles. How far is Chicago?
Chicago is right around that. Yeah, so ballpark. Yep. Yep. But that's great. That's great. That's accessible. Yeah, absolutely. All right. So let's go down and listen to my fellow PGA member and city manager of Golf Tech, Justin Hoagland.
Thanks, Jay. Today we're going to be talking about adapting to unique situations on the golf course. Now every lie on the green isn't perfect and some don't fit your eye too well. In some instances you need to have a little different attack in order to get the ball close enough for that one play. Now apart from distance, landing spot and pin position, common bad lies require you to add as much loft as possible, sometimes flying it all the way to the pin and minimizing all that roll. Now there's three particular situations where we see Phil and others pulling off that special flop shot or lob shot in and around the green. If you first find yourself in heavy rough, this is the first one, where the standard short stroke motion can't cut through the grass, that's one of them. The second one would be chipping to an upper tier where it's difficult to know how the ball will react when it's rolling on the green. That's another one. And thirdly, when you're hitting to a green that slopes away from you where the normal carry to roll ratios don't apply, that's another one of these situations.
And all of these situations have something in common. We must maximize the loft and minimize the roll. And we're going to do that by opting for what's called the flop shot or the lob shot. Now to do this, simply use your most lofted wedge and hinge your wrist immediately as you start back. Although it's the unhinging action of your wrist through impact that gives the shot its extra height, amateurs don't tend to do that well.
They tend to unhinge too early. The best advice is to try to keep your wrist hinged the whole way down and through. Now they'll unhinge on their own, I assure you, but do this while using mostly your arms and adding very little leg action. And you should be able to produce the loft you need to escape all those difficult situations around the green. Hope this helps for you listeners.
Reach out to us at GOLFTEC if you need any further help on your golf game. Thanks, Justin. Really good stuff. We got a couple, as we mentioned, a couple of segments of Whack and Chase. Folks, let us know what you think about these things. We're jumping into some of these new ideas. We're trying to have some fun and also help people with their golf games all at the same time. And we think we're accomplishing that, but we'd love to hear your thoughts on those. We've had some nice feedback and comments on it. And like anything else, like our golf games, we keep working on it. And I think we're going to keep on sharpening the skills. They're fun. It's fun to look forward to.
Absolutely. OK, so World Golf Championship event in Memphis, Tennessee. The golf course? My favorite. I was going to say, it's your favorite. My favorite. The TPC Southwind.
Do you know who is the record holder, the course record holder at the TPC Southwind? Can I have a clue? No. You got no clues. You're bringing it up.
You got a big smile on your face. That's me! I kind of remember. I think it's you.
I think it's you. Yeah, one Sunday, I shot 61. Started in like 50th place and finished like fourth. Just ran out of holes, bro, if I could only play. We only had two or three more holes. You know, it was one of those days, you just, it took me probably three or four years before I fully appreciated how special that day was. Because you just don't get that many days where things go your way to that degree. Seven birdies in a row.
Not in that round. I made seven. I had a couple 63s at Southwind. I had, I've got the front nine. I've got a lot of the scoring records down there, or at least have them.
I haven't paid attention in the last, you know, five or ten years. But one day I made, I birdied two through eight. I birdied seven holes in a row. What was, is that the tournament that kind of came down the last hole and you hit a golf cart or something? That was, yes, the year with the seven birdies was the year that, on the 17th hole, I just moved into a tie for the lead.
I hit my three wood down the left side of the, kind of borderline on the rough and fairway hit a CBS golf cart and went under a tree. What? What just happened? You feel like, really? I was like, what are you doing out there in this golf cart? And I didn't know it until I saw the replay.
Yeah. And then, I will tell you. What happened to the rest of the holes? You've got to tell it. Yeah, so I had a chip out, and I didn't even sniff make it a par.
I hit a terrible, I hit a good chip out, got it across the water, and then I had a lousy wedge and I, you know, had like a.33. Where did you finish that year? Do you remember?
Yeah, I do. I'll tell you the story because, you know how we talk about mental prep. That's what I'm trying to get to here. I'm trying to get to. You know, it's the last chance you're going to get.
Tell the damn story. Mental prep and all this stuff, I had in my mind that if I had a chance to win this tournament, the 18th hole at Southwind is a bear. It's got a pond that goes from, starts at probably 100 yards off the tee, creeps into the left side of the fairway, and the whole dogleg is left, and then there's bunkers over there. And I said to myself, self, self, self, self, if I have a chance to win this tournament, I'm hitting driver off this tee. And I have never hit driver off this tee. When I shot 61, I hit one iron off the tee and hit it 10 yards right out of the fairway. If you shot 61, why you would want to change the plan to your driver? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if the 61 came after this or not. I don't remember.
But whatever it is, this is how the plan. So I stood up there. So you're in contention.
I have, and I said, I'm doing this. I hit the best drive I've ever hit in my life. I hit it down around the corner, hugged the water the whole time, and it was like, I had this calmness about me. You know, I was never that great a driver of the ball.
I could hit it a long way, but couldn't hit it straight very often. Where did it stand? What were you? I was one shot down. To who? You remember the who?
To Jim Gallagher. Yeah, I knew you'd remember that. I hit my next shot in there about six feet from the hole. Nice. And lipped the putt out. Ooh. And cried on the green in front of all those people.
No. It was one of those deals where I was like, I just knew I was going to make it. And I saw the replay, and there was literally shock. I was like, I can't believe that didn't go in. Yeah. And I hit it just a little bit too soft.
Pearl had rolled straight across the left edge, and it was perfect. This is so weird. You know, in our last whacking, or going... One of our whacking... One of our... Anyway, we talked about how to read greens and things like that.
Yeah. But walking into the front part of that green, John, I was 50 feet from where my ball was next to the hole. And I absolutely knew how the putt was going to break. And I absolutely knew I was going to make it.
What a great feeling that is. Oh, man. I just couldn't... See, I normally would walk up to that situation and just be all tied up trying to take steps... Oh, man. I was so excited. And all the anxiousness going.
I love it. I've had some of those feelings too. When you know you're going to make it, that's a great feeling. But it's kind of weird. You know you're going to make it, and then you didn't make the damn thing. It's true.
And I've had those feelings before, and I've made it almost every single time. It was such an oddball. It was... You know, the golf course just sits... Didn't Gallagher still end up making some big putts?
He made a 25-foot putt for par in the last hole to beat me by one. There you go. There you go. But anyway, it was fun. What if he was never born?
I mean, then you would have a tour with him. I'll tell you, here's another great part of this story. You know how they started back in the early 90s with childcare on a tour for us? So a bunch of the guys had daughters. Jim Gallagher has four kids like I do.
He has three daughters and one son. And Mary Langdon and some of his daughters are my daughters' age. And so they're out hanging out together in the childcare. I remember that they were friends. I remember that name. Absolutely.
At the end of the day, you know, the girls come up and I would always take the girls in the locker room with me. It was fun. And Mackenzie, my oldest, says to me, Dad, what did Mary Langdon's dad do to you? And I said, Mary Langdon's dad didn't do anything to me. Oh, yes, he did.
What happened on the last hole? Someone told me that Mary Langdon's dad did something really mean to your dad. I said, Mary Langdon's dad played one shot better than I did.
That's pretty mean. And I had all the chances in the world to do it and I didn't do it. And then my daughter, Gemma, came up to me and said, Dad, where's all the money? And I said, you know, finished second. It was a big, big, big payday. I think I made like a- Was that your biggest payday?
No. One year I finished fourth down there, but Tiger Woods had come on tour and I- Played for more. Yeah, I played fourth place. I think I made like 190.
And finishing second, I think I made 120. Anyway, piles and piles of hell of a lot of money. But Gemma says to me, Dad, where's the money? And I said, where's the money?
I never talked about money with my girls. Honey, what are you talking about? Are we supposed to be a stack of it or something? What money are you talking about?
I don't know. This guy came over and said to Brennan and McKenzie and I that your dad just won. I held a lot of money. I'm sure they were thinking like quarters. You know, there's a big sack of quarters that you get for that.
So, yeah, funny story. The Memphis event, though, is a World Golf Championship event now. So, you're going to get the top players in the world playing down there. And what a treat for golf fans. Now, is it going to be very much the same when you played or have they done a whole bunch of stuff for the golf course?
No. There's not that many opportunities that they can do to the golf course. Pearl, they don't even have to do anything to it because they made a switchover from bentgrass, which used to just cook and be so hot and so soggy and so lousy in the summer, to Champions Bermuda. And it's made the golf course play, the greens play firm and fast, great surfaces to putt, and it's raised the scores probably two and a half shots a day. Obviously, you correct me because you know intimately on this, it's not really a bomber course necessarily, is it? I mean, it helps on some of the holes, but don't you have to kind of work the ball around a little bit and some strategic or not? You know, that's a good call.
I would say it's hard to beat some of these guys the way they drive it. Right. Okay. But it's not necessarily suited for a bomber. You're going to run out of room in some areas. That's what I mean.
And Fuzzy Zeller, it's a Fuzzy Zeller design with Hubert Green. In no way in hell did they ever think that guys would be hitting it, you know, that if you designed up a long par four with runout at 350 yards that people would have to lay up for that. But that's what happens. Like 17, you don't hit, these guys can't hit drive or hell, they may not even be able to hit three wood. And it's a 480-yard hole.
Right. You know, it's a long hole. I just remember a couple of them because I remember it was one of the more fun times Sally and I went down there with you and actually walked the first round or two when you had that great tournament. It was a lot of fun to watch.
Yeah, I had a lot of top, you know, any time I played there I always felt like I had a chance to win. One of those courses, Pearl, that there's always golf courses that I'd go to that have one or two or three or maybe four holes that I just didn't like. I was just uncomfortable. That one? None of them.
None of them. They all looked right to me. That's awesome. Yeah, it was fun.
And what an interesting thing too. I think a lot of people can relate to this. You had a couple great rounds and it was just one of those places, you know, it fit good. You kind of knew every year.
And I remember you went through there when there was all the different types of qualifiers and things like that so that you could get back on a golf course because all those great memories were going to help. Oh yeah, there's no doubt. You know the term horses, certain horses for courses, it's absolutely true. I mean, look at Tiger. Hell, how many times has he won? If you took away Torrey Pines, Bay Hill, Akron, I mean, you're talking about over 20 wins in those three golf courses. Pebble.
Pebble. There's another one. Yeah. So there's no question.
Plus, you can't beat those. You go back there and, you know, if something negative happens to you, that's a powerful factor to deal with. Something positive happens to you. It's really fun. And you're like, I can handle this. I've been, you know, I've shot 29 on this front nine before, which I have. You know, I mean, it's one of those things you can say.
I've almost won this tournament. I feel good about it. Well, yeah, so anyway, the Memphis event is a great event. FedEx, great corporate sponsor. I mean, you can't say enough about what they're doing.
The FedEx Cup winner this year gets a smooth 15 million bucks. Really? One, five. Really? Wow. I don't keep up much with what these guys are making out there.
But that's got to be the top of the heap, I would think. What's bigger than that? Oh, nothing.
No, nothing at all. I mean, a big drop-off after that. But it's a big deal.
And why? What's? Well, they're trying to give the year more meaning. And so give it not only the wins, but you get these points and the points for the playoffs and the playoffs, you know, for the tour championship in the end of the year.
So, yeah, it's really cool. That's going to wrap up the On the Range segment. This is Golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. Stay with us. We're going to take a short break and come back with the front nine.
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Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. John is here with me.
This is a segment we call The Front Nine. Please reach out to us with your questions, comments, requests, any golf-related things at all at jaydelsinggolf.com. Each week, we'll select an email, read it on air. That winner gets golf for two at Gateway National Compliments of Walters Golf Management. Well, this week's question is from Tom.
Tom asks, I am clearly doing something wrong with my mental approach. I have heard you mention this on other shows, but can you please repeat with the correct mental approach, screw that one up, can you please repeat what the correct mental approach is to overcoming a hole that has your number or even a particular shot that I continually mess up? For me, it's the fourth, it's the par 4 11th hole at Norwood Hills West Course. This is a 311-yard beast with a brutal green.
There's an OB right and trees down the left. I'm a three handicap. Wow. So a short hole and a three handicap.
I'm a three handicap and make more double bogeys on this hole than pars. Wow. That hole is in his head. Yeah. So think about that.
We just talked about those positive experiences having such impact on you and the negative ones having the same thing. Tom, whatever you're doing, we've got to adopt a new strategy. We need a new club off the tee. We need a new target. And we need to get something in your mind that'll break up the pattern. That's what we have to do.
We've got to break up this pattern. So I don't care if you want to hit driver off the tee. I don't care if you want to hit a three-wheeler off the tee.
I don't even care at 311 yards if you want to hit a seven-iron off the tee. Whatever it is, commit to what it is you want to happen. That simple.
If you don't do that, you're going to continually be tortured by this hole. But you want him to try something different. Absolutely. If you want to drive, hit a draw, fade, at least do something different.
Right. I don't mind. I don't even mind if you want to stay with a draw and hit a draw three-wood or hit a draw seven-iron.
I don't care about that. But get a different target. Pick the target. Figure out where you want this ball to go.
Program your brain or your mental approach. And don't just go, oh, I'm laying up with a five-iron. I can hit this thing anywhere. Well, you do. You'll hit it anywhere.
And that hole will absolutely punish you. That's it. That's it. I think that's good advice.
Love it. Yeah. Think about what you want. Yeah. I know that hole. And I think that advice plugs in.
And it's always important to have that plan and to try something a little bit different. We got a caller. We got some Whackin' Chase. I think I saw... Whackin' Chase. Love to see it.
Whackin' Chase. Another episode. We got a little bit of the board lighting up here. I think we got somebody on the line. Amy, what do we got? All right, guys.
Somebody actually wants your guys' advice again. Derek on the line this week. Hey, Derek. How you doing?
Derek, welcome to Whackin' Chase. I'm doing good. How are you guys?
We're doing fine. We're going to make sure you didn't have the wrong number that you're actually calling in to get a little golf help tonight. Where are you calling from, Derek? I live in Nashville, Illinois, about 45 minutes east of St. Louis.
Okay. Do you know where Nashville is? I don't know where Nashville is. I said Nashville. I'm thinking Nashville, Nashville. I know. But we're getting over there. Is there a commonality between Nashville, Illinois, and Nashville, Tennessee, Derek?
There's a complete opposite. It's a pretty small town here, not a lot to do. What do you do in Nashville? Not a lot.
There's a couple of places to eat, there's parks. But you play some golf. You play some golf.
Tell us a little bit about your golf game and your golf experience. Well, I started my sophomore year of college. I did play baseball, so it was a rough beginning for me.
Couldn't hit the ball straight. And then just started playing a lot more. And my wife has actually played in college, so she helped me a little bit. Uh-oh. Oh, so your wife beat you.
Is that what we're hearing? Yeah, she used to. Now I play more than her, so she's losing a little bit. That a baby.
That a baby. I like that song. And I get tired of losing. Well, tell us a little bit about your... I'm sorry, tell us a little bit about your baseball career. We're both baseball fans.
Jay's a huge baseball fan. Where'd you play in college? I played at John A. Logan Community College in Carterville, Illinois, next to Carbondale. Sure, that's a great place down there.
I love Southern Illinois. That's awesome. And what position were you? I was a catcher.
Oh, right. So you're a big hitter. So you're a big hitter. So you're a big hitter. The tools of ignorance right there. I was a catcher. My dad said that position was perfect for me. I didn't really know what the tools of ignorance were until they put all that equipment on me and they fouled balls off your shoulders and arms and things like that.
Good stuff. Oh, yeah. It beats you up. But it's one of the easier, I'd say probably easier positions to get to college.
If you're good at defense, you don't really have to be a stellar hitter. So what drew you into the game of golf? Probably your girlfriend. It's now your wife.
Yes. We would, she'd go out and play and then I just started playing with her and it wasn't very good. And I didn't like losing, especially to her. So I continued to play and I tried to play at least once a week, but with work starting up, get a little bit busier, it's a little bit harder to get out. So did your wife help you with the game and give you some instruction along the way? And if so, how long did that last?
Well, she tried. I'm pretty stubborn. I like to swing pretty hard, so I think that might be part of my problem. Well, I like to swing pretty hard too. What kind of handicap do you have and what kind of game do you play these days? I have like a 12-14 handicap. Oh, good stuff.
So not great, but not awful. So what's the one thing you want us to take a look at? What's kind of bugging you the most in your game that we should talk about? Probably my driving, it's not very consistent. I used to have a real bad slice where I'd hit it probably 150 yards straight and then 150 yards straight to the right. So you can hit a 300-yard drive is what you're saying.
Yeah, through the air, it's not straight, but it's getting a little bit better, it's not as drastic of a slice, more of a little bit of a fade. So are the other parts of your game, did you pick up the putting, the nuances of the short game and things like that pretty well? I mean, the fact that you're an athlete, Derek, is, man, you're so far ahead of the game there. Yeah, my irons I'm pretty consistent with. Putting on and off depending on the day, also depending on the course, and then third game I was a little struggle at first, but I just started to pick it up after I got tired of not being good at it. So, Jay, how many times were you playing in pro amps through the years when a guy, an athlete type, walks out there, can hit the snot out of it, but had that kind of curvature one way or the other like Derek's dealing with? 99 times out of 100 it was a slice and it happened a lot and it was frustrating for those good athletes with good hand-eye coordination like someone like Derek and, oh man, humbling.
I would see some of those guys kind of walk back to their caddies or their carts, put their head down and their shoulders were rolled. So when you walk up to your tee shots, Derek, do you know that it's coming? Do you know that big slice is there every single time or does it go straight sometimes and does it ever draw? Very rarely does it draw, it's probably not 50-50, but close to being hitting it straight, I usually line up to the left side of the fairway. Keep on compensating.
Every time you compensate more for it, does it curve more? It kind of depends, to be honest. There's nothing real consistent, it's just either it's good or it lands on the other side of the fairway. So what are some of the words you use when it really slices like 100 yards? What kind of goes through your head? It's a family show, Derek.
It's a family show, but how does that go? What's the self-talk after that? You know, not good. Nothing that I should say here.
Exactly. Is there any beer in your groups when you're playing? Is it sliced more with beer or less with beer? I think the more, once it gets to a point, it gets pretty bad, but it's a couple beers, it's okay. I hit it pretty good whenever the first couple of holes.
I think once I get loose, that's when my whole body starts wanting to get into it. Hey Derek, what kind of batter, what kind of hitter were you in baseball? What do you mean? Were you a power hitter? Could you hit home runs? Did you hit for average? Were you a singles and doubles sort of guy? Office of field.
Where was your power? Yeah, I'm assuming you're a right-handed catcher. So did you hit the ball hard out to right center or did you hit a lot of balls hard down the line? Down the left field line? I was more gap to gap, left center to right center. Not a crazy month. I didn't hit a whole lot of home runs.
It was more average. Yeah, cool. Okay, because when we get down to fixing it, we're going to give you some baseball examples that are going to help you figure out this slice. So if the baseball analogies don't work, we'll move to bowling and then to badminton. We'll start with the baseball, see if that helps.
And in between each one of those, there's going to be a stop at a 19th hole somewhere to just kind of help loosen things up. So when a baseball is coming in and you're going to hit, if you can relate the way the bat contacts the ball when you hit a ball down the left field line, down the left center field gap to straightaway center, right center field gap, and the right field foul pole, the barrel of the bat is going to be contacting the ball in different angles, right? So if we assume that you're hitting the ball pretty hard, the pitch is going to get into you a little bit so you can kind of extend your arms. So when you're slicing the ball, so the ball in golf isn't moving, the club face is open to what we would call square or straight, which would be, in a baseball analogy, would be if you drilled this thing right back up the box, right into center field, that's going to be straight or square, okay? What you're doing with your golf club is the barrel of the bat is staying open to right field and you're pulling across with your hands towards left field. Does that make sense?
Yes, it does. Okay, so what we want to get you to feel like you do, the barrel of the bat or the head of the club needs to get down to the ball a tiny bit quicker so that if you're going to pull and smash a home run to left field, you're going to get the barrel out in front of you, right? Yes. We're going to get the barrel out in front of you. Now you're going to tell me, Delsing, this is golf, this is not baseball, but here's what I want you to do. I want you to swing this golf club like it's a baseball bat except the pitch is in the dirt where the ball is, okay? And I want you to relate the face of the club to the barrel of the bat. Look, you're good enough. I know you're good enough. You played college baseball.
You're good enough to relate this way. That feeling of pulling the ball, even though you didn't do it very often, is one of the reasons why you slice in golf. Your power is more inside out. Does that make sense?
Yes, it does. Yeah, so we want to get you to move a little more outside in. So we want to get you swinging that club out towards that pitcher with that base of that club, the head of the driver, the barrel of the bat more out towards the pitcher or out towards the second baseman a little bit sooner in the rhythm of the whole swing.
That's it. That's pretty simple whenever you swing like that. But for somebody like you that's played sport at a high level, if you can relate this to what you know and then get this club in your hand in a way that you know, because look, I'm a baseball junkie and I love baseball. And when people, when you're batting, your lower body is leading the way through. In a golf club, your lower body's leading the way through. We've had Brett Hull on the show, in a slap shot, your lower body is leading the way through and the dynamic in golf is the same as the dynamic in baseball and the same as the dynamic in a slap shot is that we need to create torque and we need the head of that golf club to come in later.
And the same thing with that hockey stick where we get that snap through the hitting area. Derek, you are going to smash one the next time you play. I promise you. And if you can get out on the range and take 10 or 15 balls, within those first 10 or 15 balls, Derek, you're going to murder one. You will absolutely murder one. It'll go dead straight and you know what you're going to feel, Derek?
Pretty awesome. And nothing. Okay, now we both have a little advice too and it goes into the marital part of this whole golf game, which is really important. So I suggest you go out there, work on what Jay told you to work on. Start hitting some good ones and then go back and say to your wife, hey, would you give me a lesson? I think I can finally start listening to you. Go out there, let her talk to you a little bit, then you get out there and start smashing it. Give her credit, you're going to get to play more golf.
You've solved some things, you've got a little bit closer with the family life, you've bought yourself some free passes to get out of the house and go. Jayce, that could be the best advice I've ever heard in my life. I think it's unbelievable. Where in the hell did you come up with that? Hey, I'm following up. I'm listening to you guys and I saw the underlying problem this guy has. And the problem is, once Derek starts bombing that thing, he's going to want to play more golf and if he's not got the whole family package put together, he's not going to get to play more. I think that's valid as heck. I think our work is done here.
I think so. Derek sure appreciates your call, man. That was awesome. Yeah, thanks, guys. I appreciate it. You bet. Have a good night. Let us know how it goes as well. All right, I will. Thanks so much, Derek, for calling in.
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All right. Let's get her going on over there with our Whackin' Chase. Guys, believe it or not, people are catching on. Tim on the line for more Whackin' Chase.
I told you they love Whackin' Chase. Hey, Tim. Good afternoon.
Hey, Tim. Thanks for calling. We're assuming you got the right number, and you're calling in to get a little golf advice, hey? Believe it or not, I did get the right number, and yes, I'm looking for not a little advice.
I'm looking for all I can get. Where are you calling from, Tim? I'm calling from Phoenix, Arizona. Phoenix, Arizona.
Right on. Is it warm down there this time of year? It is. It is. But you know what?
You guys are in St. Louis. I know it's hot, and you went there, so... Yeah. Yeah. So he's pushing back.
He's trying to tell us that 115 is the same as 90, which, I don't know, maybe it is. It might be. I don't know.
That's not our department, though. So, Tim, tell us a little bit, if you would, about your golf game, and why don't you talk about the first time you ever picked up a club? Oh my gosh. So, well, I've been playing golf for probably about 40 years. So you're kind of an old guy, is that true?
I am an old guy. Good, good. That's good.
We like that, too, by the way, Tim, because we're older guys. I fit right in. Anyway, so no, I've been playing for about 40 years. I don't play a lot of golf. I probably play, I don't know, maybe eight to 12 rounds a year. And gosh, the first time I picked up a set of clubs, my, oh, I don't, you know, I'm not even sure.
I'm saying 40 years. Could have been 43 years I've been playing, and I, you know, I was in high school. I think I was living in Michigan at the time, and I love the game. I wish I'd played more. I wish my golf game was better than it is, but you know what?
It is what it is. Who did you play with when you first started playing? You playing with high school buddies? You playing with family?
Tell us a little bit about that. It was pretty much family. From a golfing family, we all play, and so it was pretty much with siblings and with parents. Once in a while, it was with some buddies, but again, even way back when, it just, it wasn't often enough, but I love the game.
I love to watch it. Who is the best player? Who is the best player in the family? I would say all three of my brothers are better than I am.
I would say probably my brother, Steve, is the best of the bunch. Well, I think that part's kind of awesome. Tell us a little bit about, are you an athlete, are you a great big guy, you're a little guy? Tell us a little bit about, so Jay will start kind of formulating an understanding about you and then when you tell us what you want us to dig into, we'll start digging in. Sounds good, sounds good. No, I am a big guy, I'm 6'4", 235 pounds, I am an athlete, shoot, I played football, basketball, baseball, in my high school years, played college basketball in a small school, so an athlete I am, but for some reason, the golf game, as long as I've been playing and as much fun as I have at it, I've struggled with it over the years, but again, I think I... Go ahead.
I'm sorry, I interrupted you. No, I was just going to say, I'm sure that that's a result of just not playing enough. Okay, I got to ask you one question, Jay's getting ready to go here, we've got a couple other key questions, but you said you have a lot of fun, what's the most fun you ever had playing golf? And that's what I wanted to ask you, what makes it fun?
Yeah. Well, to be honest with you, I still today play most of my golf with my three siblings, we're kind of spread out throughout the country and we get together, you know, probably at least two times a year, and when we get together, it's not only a chance to get together, but golf is always a part of it. And so, you know, that's first and foremost for my siblings, we just, we make events out of it and we get together and we have a great time. So what do you want to know, what's the one piece that you think you could fix, Jay can help you fix in your game that kind of elevates your game and maybe start turning the tables on your brother's feet? You can kick in your brother's ass. Yeah, exactly.
I would. Thank you, Jay. Thank you, Jay.
Not a problem. I can kick my brother's arse, it's just not on the golf, it's not on the golf course. So anyway, no, you know what, truth be told, I would probably say, you know, my, my, my putting game, you know, you know, the old adage, you drive for share, you putt for go. You know, I, I've, I've, I've been using the same pink butter for, Oh my gosh, for years, I finally decided to get a very, very large, oversized grip on it.
Cause again, I said, I'm a big guy and I've got big hands. So I'm still trying to get my, my feel of that. And you know, I don't know, you know, some days I do well on the putting green and some days I do not. And I, I don't know what it is. Did we ask you what you shoot? What do you, what do you shoot? What's your handicap or just basically what are you shooting?
I shoot in, you know, anywhere between 90 low nineties to high nineties. Okay. Okay.
On a good day, I might get lucky and shoot 90 or 89 or 88. Okay. So, so Tim, on a, on a day, like the typical day that you have good day, bad day, 115 degrees out in Arizona. And you're just gasping for your every breath as you go around the golf course, somehow that still can be a good day. Yeah. It is. Well, when you putt, so tell me what that typical day looks like.
Are you three putting, are you missing short putts, all of the above, you know, when you get 30, 40 feet from the hole, are you able to hit putts reasonably decent speed wise, but your lines off or is it distance, is it speed and line, is it, is it the whole shooting match with your putting? So, you know, you're short, you're long, you're left and right. Yes. And he gets it.
Answer the question too. Well, you know what? It is probably a little bit of all of that, Jay. I mean, you know, some of it, you know, do I take enough time? Do I really, you know, take the time to first of all, try to read the putt and, and, and, you know, wait a second, wait a second, are you saying you're not reading your putts? Of course I'm reading the putt, but am I taking enough time?
Should I go? Okay. Should I look at the, should I look at the, at the ball from maybe from behind the ball, maybe go to the other side of the cup and look at it from at it? I mean, I don't want to take too much time. No, it sounds like you're taking enough time.
I wouldn't tell you one time to read them. So I got, I got a serious question before Jay moves forward. Do you ever dream about golf, Tim? I do. Okay. See, there we go. Now we'll get into the depth of where this man is. So tell us a little bit about your golf dreams.
Okay. All my golf dreams are that I wish I, I wish I played more golf. So how do they go though? Give us kind of a, is it, is it one of those same recurring dreams?
Is there like a half dozen always recurring or they're just slightly different and is it before the round? Because Tim, I need to interject this, Pearly, my man over here, had nightmare dreams when he would caddy for me. A, he lost my golf bag, B, you know, there are all sorts of, there's a wall behind him and he couldn't swing. He couldn't find my clubs. He lost me.
We, you know, so this means something to him and nothing at all to me. Have any dreams, golf dreams, Jay, did you have any golf dreams? Only good stuff, man.
Oh God. I wish I could have had that. I like, um, man, I had a dream the other night. I was playing in the NHL. Well, that's not a golf dream.
I know, but it was a cool, it was a cool dream. I think I was playing at Knickers, yeah, probably, but I had the Stanley Cup with me. Well, that is cool. That's cool. I actually got to play one time.
I actually got to play one time with the Stanley Cup in our group in Michigan after Darren McCarty and the Red Wings won it. Bernie, Bernie Ferderco told me that my golf handicap in hockey was 6-0. You were a 60?
Yeah. And I said, 60? He goes, well, you can't stop. And I said, well, I can stop on my left side. I said, I know, but you can't stop on your right.
He goes, is that important or not? I just used the boards to stop. You were probably right. Plus, I don't think every third or fourth time you played hockey, you broke something. Yes, you did.
I broke my, I only broke my elbow once. Oh, okay. Anyway, we're off the track. Sorry, Tim.
We're always off the track. So what was the question? We were looking for Tim's dreams. Yeah.
Tell us just one or two dreams that you can say on the radio, Tim. Oh, boy. Well, I think I said it, John, to be honest with you. I think I said that.
He just wants to play more golf. You know what? That's, I think that's it. I mean, believe me, it's nothing, it's nothing more fun and juicy than that.
It's just like to get out there and do a little more of it. Okay. So he's sincere. The guy wants just a little bit of help, it sounds like, around the greens. So why don't you talk to him from the time he's approaching the green relative to reading it. Read the whole thing.
Yeah. So this is our solve portion, right, Pearl? We're on the solve part, Jay. We're on the solve part.
I just want to get this clear with my partner. We're in the solve part. I could be ambushed at any time by my man Chase here. You could screw up this guy's future dreams if you get this wrong. Exactly.
And I could lay down and talk about some of his dreams and listen to that. No, so Tim, as you approach the greens, most of the greens, you're in Arizona, so most of the, you're playing some desert-y sort of fields. Most of the greens are going to be sloped from back to front. But one of the things that happens to us, when we were kids and we learned how to play, we always walked.
We always carried our own clubs. Tim, you probably did the same thing, and you always walked, and you came into the green from the front edge of the green, which is the way your shot comes into the green. And by doing that, this sounds so stupid, but it's really important. By doing that, you got a sense for what the overall layout of the green would look like.
You would. And you didn't even know it. When we were kids, you didn't even know it. And you're like, oh, okay, you walk out of the green and the right side's higher than the left, or the back has a little drop-off, or there's a false front, or whatever. But today, Tim, you're playing with carts with your bros, you're drinking a beer or two, hopefully, and having fun, but you always come into a green from a different area, sometimes from the back, sometimes from the side, very seldom from the front. What I want you to do is when you're looking out at the fairway after you hit your approach shot, or after you've pitched or chipped your ball onto the green, take a look at the green. Honestly, it sounds so stupid, but just take a look at it, and you're going to notice contours.
You're going to notice things. And the beautiful thing about golf, Tim, is neither Proy or I are very smart, but this sort of sucks. Wait a second. Wait a second. I know you're not smart. I'm much smarter than you are.
I'm sitting here listening to you intently. Where did that come from? I know. I know.
Well, years of experience. Here we are off the track again. Okay. We're back to Tim's dream. Yeah.
So Tim, so pay attention to that. Okay. First and foremost. Another thing, one of the most basic fundamental things that was told to me when I was a kid about how do you read a green, I've been asked this a hundred, oh, a million times. If you had a bucket of water in your hand and you dump that bucket of water on the ground, which way does the water roll predominantly? Which way does it go?
The ball's going to go the same way. Is that a question? Are you supposed to answer that right now? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
But, but imagine that. So you dump this bucket of water on this thing and the ball will roll that way. Okay. Does that make sense? Does that make sense, Tim? It does.
Okay. Do they have water in the world? Do they have water in the desert? Are you going to have to use your bottle of water in this situation? Well, I can tell you one thing I'm not going to use is my beer. You have no doubt about that and if it's your last bottle of water, man, don't use that either. So this is a visual. This is a visual.
So you're going to actually dump in a bucket of water. So you're going to get that sense. The other thing is, Tim, you got to keep your lower half of your body still when you putt. From your waist down, from your belt down, nothing moves. Widen your stance about shoulder-width apart, get your weight about 50-50, and get the ball towards the front half-ish of your stance, okay?
You want your hands on somewhere between the front edge of the ball and the back edge of the ball. Okay? I'm killing my man, Chase, over here is loving this advice. He can hardly stand it. He's jiggling like nothing I've ever seen.
He's laughing so hard. But this is where it's in place. I had another image going on.
Yeah, let's not go to that image. That's another one of those dreams, I think, where you lost my golf bag too. Anyway, so then, Tim, the important thing is the head of the putter needs to swing away from the ball, and it needs to swing through the ball, and it needs to lead, or at least be even with your hands as it comes through the hitting area. And that's important, because that'll load up the head of the putter.
One of the problems that you have with judging your speed is that you're probably rocking your hips or pivoting a little bit through the ball, and that's going to give you an explosion every once in a while, and then when you're afraid of that, you're going to hit it probably half the distance you want. You're going to start realizing that if I take the length of this stroke back a certain distance, it's going to produce a certain speed, a certain length. If it's uphill, it's going to take a little more of a swing.
If it's downhill, it's going to take a little less of a swing. And then the last thing that's crucially important, you don't need much face or path rotation. And what I mean by that is we want the putter face and the path to go almost straight back and straight through when you hit.
Everything with your long game is a circle, so you have arcs and curves. With the putting stroke, Tim, we don't want a whole lot of inside movement on that club head. We want it kind of going straight back and straight through, and we don't want the toe of that putter opening and closing a whole lot.
You just don't need it. So one thing that I'm going to tell them, two pros, I'm going to tell them about the line, put a line on this ball. I like that. Some of those golf balls now are coming with lines. The Callaway ball has three lines on it, but Tim, get a golf ball, get a sharpie or some sort of marker, and right along the seam, put a thick line on it. You'll see when you watch the British Open, you'll see almost everybody putts with lines on their ball now. And I want you to get on the putting green a few minutes before you get there, line that line up with the dot or the line that's on the ping putter. Do you have an old ping answer putter by any chance? Is that the putter you use? Well, I think that's what it is.
It's an old ping putter. I can tell you that. Does it have a line on the top of it? It does. It does.
Okay. So match the line of that ball with the line of that on the face of your putter, and then take that putter head back and straight through with little face rotation and not move your lower half, Tim, just that inside of 10 feet, you will become instantly twice as good. You will not believe how many short putts you make.
Is that stuff you think you can do, Tim? Yeah, absolutely. And I'll tell you, the one part that I, you know, you hit the nail on the head is right up front. It's how many, you know, I'm riding a clerk.
So how many times do I enter the green from the front the way the ball probably went on the green? Okay. So let's summarize here a little bit.
You need to quit riding in a cart, get a bucket of water, bucket of water to throw it on the green. So that means you can't have any beer and you need to get a pendulum stroke going and see if your dreams change. I would say that summarizes pretty much the lesson. That's the way I see it. Perfect. Perfect.
I think, I think you guys got the nail on the head there. Tim, take two weeks off and quit if you're going to listen to all those things we've really told you. Hey, Tim, awfully good of you to call in. Now, please let us know how it goes and again, if you're making pots and if your dreams are changing and sweet dreams to you, Tim, appreciate the call. Tim, thanks for telling us back, buddy.
Thanks for listening. See you. Bye-bye.
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It's going to be great. I'm going to grab a pen and paper for some clever RX information in just a couple minutes, but we're going to talk just briefly this short segment about golf course strategy and some sort of management. It was in the third year on tour, Pearl, and I'm just struggling with some of these aspects of the game, and I realize that in a back-ended way, I overheard another player talking about a sports psychologist, and I realized that everybody else on tour had had a sports psychologist helping them try to meander through the ups and downs of the PGA Tour life, and I got a hold of who is a good friend of mine and yours now, Bob Rotella. Great guy. Fun guy. Really talented guy. Yeah, he opened a lot of doors with other players that were working with him.
Again, a great Nick Price story. Nick Price won the PGA Championship in St. Louis in 1992, and if you recall, he went on a roll where he dominated the golf world for a little, like a two or three year stretch, especially the majors. I think he won three or four majors, and he told me that there's at least four holes on every course that he's ever played.
We talked about this earlier in the show. It didn't look good to him, and what he did was shoot away from the flag sticks and take a par. Take a two putt from 30 feet from 30 par. I don't like it.
I don't want this to ruin my day. I don't want this to ruin my tournament. I'm going to play to the fat side of the green, and he said, Jay, it might have been a wedge in my hand.
It didn't look right to me. I wasn't going to stand up there, pull that wedge like you're oftentimes to do, miss the green, and make a bogey or double bogey. There's something about, John, there's something about executing a plan, especially when you're a little nervous or anxious, that gives you confidence and makes you feel like you can do this. We talked about that. We talked about it here and there.
I think it's powerful as heck. And then I remember getting to play with my buddy, Payne Stewart. He's a fellow Missourian, great, great guy, told me, we played a practice round. We were playing a practice round at Quad Cities, and he said, make sure you have somewhere between 15 and 18 balls in your bag. And I said, OK, I'm thinking, what?
My cat, well, I don't have to carry it, so who cares? I'd never let you have more about six or seven. Yeah, that's right. I mean, they're so heavy, and it was because we did all sorts of chipping and pitching while we played, because he said, hardest part of your game to work on on tour is your game from 40 yards and in, because there are just not a lot of facilities made for that. And think about that. They're really hard.
They really aren't. So we're going to come back to this, because this is such a cool topic. Well, the whole Bob Ritel is a big topic, course management is a big topic.
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Yeah, that's right. And we got a couple more whacking chases under our belt. We got a couple people calling in.
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