Golf With Jay Delsing - - Mark Long Caddy Tales Part 2

25 years on the PGA Tour and a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America, Jay Delsing brings you his perspective on one of the world's greatest games as a professional golfer and network broadcaster.

It's the game that connects the pros and the average Joes. Brought to you by Whitmore Country Club. Golf with Jay Delsing is now on 101 ESPN. Good morning. This is Golf with Jay Delsing.

I'm your host, Jay Delsing, and with me is my buddy, longtime caddie, John Perlis. Good morning. Good morning, Jay. Ready to roll.

What have we got up today? Well, first of all, the show is formatted like a round of golf, and the first segment is called the On the Range segment. And the On the Range segment is brought to you by our friends at Golf Discount.

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I don't even know what it is. And I have more. I have about 50 people a week jumping on this Instagram. And yeah, so thanks for all that. And what we're really using it, we just, we're not social media guys.

We just want to grow the game and talk about the show and hope you enjoy the show and, you know, holler and scream at us if there's something you don't like or tell us stuff that you'd like more of. We're wide open to it. Yep, absolutely. Okay, so we got another interview, Caddy Tales with Mark Long. Really good stuff. Really fun.

And another segment of The Leading Edge with our buddy Pepe down at Pino's Italian Soul Food. And I wanted to talk a little bit, Pearl, I wanted to talk, start getting into how we're going to help our listeners with their game when the weather gets lousy. I think that's a good idea. Yep. And so I've got, I've got a couple of people that are going to come on the show that are going to talk about exercise programs. Cindy Vickers is her name and she is, man, I asked her the other day, we've been talking and she's been trying to figure out how to get on and she's, I said, Can you send me your credentials? And I was like, Whoa, this woman is a rock star. She's, she lifted weights competitively and she's TPI, which is Titleist Performance Institute certified.

That's a huge deal. So she's going to get on with some really interesting facts coming up soon. She got her own gig or she's, is she in some business or? She's, she's a personal trainer and trains around town and goes to golf courses and goes to driving ranges and tries to help understand, you know, this flaw in your swing, we can help work that out by making this area your body stronger.

And then she's got reasons and facts to back that up. So that's pretty neat. So I wanted to talk a little bit about, Justin Thomas won the event, the Nine Bridges event again in Korea, third time in what, four years, right?

I honestly don't know. Well, we're not that accurate anyway, but I know it's the third time he's won. Maybe it's five years. So it's like three out of something. Yeah, he's won three times.

Did you see how much money he made? 1.8, it says here on my notes. Who made those notes for you? You did. Oh, well, they're mildly accurate.

Yeah, no, they are accurate. And it's interesting because you start talking about in our caddy tale segments that we have in and run in and out throughout the year. You start talking about, so think about this. In 1985, my rookie year on tour, I made 47 grand and kept my card. I can remember obviously following you because we're friends thinking, God, that's a lot of money.

What's he going to do with all that money? Because I was at the time not sure what I was doing. I think I was playing mini tour teaching, giving lessons. In either way, it didn't add up to 47,000.

47 grand. And I'll never forget, I finished, my second tournament of the year, I finished ninth and Hawaii made 13,000. So I'm like, wow. What the hell happened to the rest of the year? God, it rained on my parade, were you?

I'm getting a little puffy right here. Good playing, right? How long ago was that? Oh, I don't know, 34 years ago. Man, if I had only birdied the last soul, I'd have made 17,000. Anyway, but I had to cut. Pearl, I had to cut. How long did that bother you? I know.

Well, it stopped bothering me about yesterday. But the funny thing is 13,000, I had to pay my caddies. Caddies are worth. What did you have? You didn't pay them enough, whatever it was. Wait a second. I'm trying to remember.

Did I give a five, seven, seven percent, a 13 grand? How the heck would the African guy have to swim back and forth? He did. He had a raft and a little energy.

Yeah, he could float a flight, that's for sure. But what I'm getting at here is J.T. 's caddy, Jimmy Johnson, just made $180,000.

What? Do I get 10 percent of this show? You owe me. You owe me money. I don't think you want to meet. He doesn't want to.

Help him with the math. Wait, are you getting paid? Paid?

What's this? I get a percentage, I thought, but maybe I don't want a percentage. Yeah, Pearly was great at math. Sometime we'll tell our math grade card story at college. I was good at math. The only thing I wasn't good at. You were horrible at it.

What are you talking about? The grade card that we got in calculus, when we saw grade cards. Calculus is, I'm talking math. It's not math.

Oh, okay, I thought that was math. All right, so we talked about this a little bit. That brings back bad memories. Wow, I start sweating a little. Me too.

You should. You should just be sweating more than I, because I did better than you in that. Tiger and the Japan Skins Game Challenge. The Skins Challenge. Okay, we talked about this a little bit. Let's frame this up a little bit for the listeners. Back in the day, the very first Skins game was Jack, Arnold, Tom Watson, and Gary Player.

Big names. Really, pillars. And in, was it Palm Desert? No, it was in Desert Mountain in Scottsdale, I think. It was Desert Highlands. Desert Highlands, you're absolutely right. You're exactly right. Yeah, I forgot about that.

That was the first one. It's a beautiful golf course. It has some beautiful holes, but it's got some funky shots out there. All funky stuff out there.

When you miss a shot and it hits one of those boulders. But think about this for a minute. Those guys played for tons of money back at the time. Stuff that was considered massive amounts of money, right?

So here's how this thing broke down financially out in Japan. Jason Day walks away, birdies in the 18th hole, wins $210,000. Look, we are in no way, shape, or form saying that's not a lot of money.

It is. But Tiger wins 60K, Rory wins 60K, and Hideki only wins 30. Only wins 30. But that doesn't mean anything to them. No, nothing.

I know they were all paid way more than that to show up. We all know that. But how is this good for the game, and how is it significant? How does Tiger, besides being the most competitive guy in the world, how does he care? I mean, I want to be Jason Day, but this isn't going on my resume.

This isn't in the record books. Is this good for the game? Oh, I don't know that it's bad. I just think that it was milk toasty, as far as I'm concerned. And, you know, that's what I saw.

Like I said, I enjoyed watching it for about 10 minutes. And I'm thinking, okay, it's kind of a pretty golf course. You know, it's kind of strange, too. Fans are walking all over the place. You guys are putting.

It looked like a practice round to me. Which, again, who doesn't like watching those guys play golf? But I don't even, it's like, don't even do the money thinking. You know they're making five times that under the table, or not under the table, but in the contract. Right, so how do you do it, then? How do you do it?

I don't know. Have them play for a charity. Have them do something like that where people are rooting for different things. How about playing for their own money? They're not going to do that. These guys aren't going to do that.

It's a conversation stopper. Absolutely no way in hell. Now, what was part of that deal, though, I saw, were they playing with rugby players or something? Yeah, they had a rugby. Yeah, and I'm not exactly sure how or what that was about.

But I think they were just trying to spice it up a little bit. One of the rugby players picked up one of the golfers and I thought he was going to break him. I think he picked Rory up. It looked like he could have tossed him like a rock.

Like a little kid, like he was going to rock him or something like that. Yeah, right. But, man, the one thing that was evident to me, though, for sure, was the Japanese are just golf crazy over there. They just love their, and Hideki is an absolute rock star over there. And he's only, what, 24 years old?

Yeah, very young. He does extremely well over here. Very classy guy. Yeah, very, very classy.

He handles himself really well. Well, that's going to do it for the On the Range segment. Come back. We are going to jump onto the front nine. This is Golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. Quick note. We just got a call from our friend, Joe Scieser, at USA Mortgage.

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Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. John Perlis is with me here, and we've got to thank the folks at Whitmore for sponsoring this show. There are 90 holes of golf with your membership at Whitmore Country Club. The links of Dardeen, Missouri Bluffs, the Golf Club of Wentzville, and all of your golf carts' fees are included in that membership. There's a kids club in the main clubhouse and a fitness center that's 24 hours, a large pool complex, no food and beverage minimums, no assessments ever, tennis courts. There's junior golf, junior tennis, swim team available, Bummer, our good buddy Bummer, friend of the show that's been on the show. They do a great job out there. They're just about golf and growing the game and about your families, getting your kids involved. So you've got to stop and say hello to Bummer.

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That's W-H-I-T-M-O-O-R-G-O-L-F dot com. All right, so early, we're getting cold. It's getting cold here, getting nasty. The days of slapping a pair of shorts on and running out, playing a quick nine, those are gone. One of the things that I loved as a kid growing up here is that when it got cold, I didn't think about golf.

I wouldn't play basketball. We played some soccer and we did some other things. But that's when we were kids.

Now that we're old, we don't necessarily move as well. We've got to be able to do something golf-healthy for our games. And we've had some phenomenal folks help sponsor the show. There's some great choices on what to do. Golf Discount is still with us. They're fantastic. Golf Tech was with us.

20 Minutes to Fitness is a phenomenal place to spend 20 minutes to get yourself in shape. But we're talking about not only strength, but we're talking about flexibility. The thing that I get asked all the time, Pearl, you probably do too, how do I hit it further? How do I hit it further? I'm always asking you how I hit it further.

And there's one thing. It's really, really simple, right? It is all about speed. From flexibility and strength.

That's where I was going. And how do you get to speed? You've got to be flexible and you've got to have some strength to get that power. And people don't get that you have to be flexible. You absolutely do. Strength over flexibility? I think I want flexibility in this game.

But both is a heck of a way to go. I've got a cool person. Her name is Cindy Vickers. She's going to come on the show soon. And she is a fitness expert. And she is golf focused mostly on golf. And we are going to talk about specific things.

And she's really got to shed some light on some of the common flaws that people... A lot of amateurs go, man, I just can't stop coming over the top. And she and I were talking about this the other day. And she said to me, it is directly related to the golfer's weakness in their lower body. And, Pearl, that's exactly what happens.

Because the upper body completely overwhelms the lower body in the swing because the legs don't get active enough. And we've talked about that a hundred times. For me, for sure.

Yeah, it's really interesting. What a great time of year to do it. So you're not on the course beating yourself up necessarily. Whether you're making maybe a little technique swing change or doing the stuff you're talking about here with strengthening and making some changes. You've got three or four months to kind of groove it, get comfortable with it. You start something like this in May, you might suffer throughout your whole summer season. Make these changes now and take advantage of this.

If you're going to ever do video, use the video now. I mean, Golf Discount has a GC Quad launch monitor. So if you want to get fitted for clubs, Golf Discount. Man, Todd Bentrup, he is a rock star at Golf Discounts.

And he's at both locations. They can really, really help you. And I don't, I'm not trying to spend our folks' money at all. But I can't tell you how, if you have not bought a set of clubs in let's say the last 10 years. Whoops. You have, they can make a huge difference. And folks, we're talking about larger sweet spots. Better shaft choices for, you know, maybe your swing speed's 85 and not, you know. Technology's just there.

Matching up with the new ball. You got to make the change. And I'm the worst. I've been the worst for my whole career. Well, I was kind of a dinosaur too. And then I adopted because I had to if I wanted to try to stay out there. Because they were just pumping new stuff at you every single week. And you're going, man, what do I, what do I got to do?

I got to try another driver. But we did. What about getting, once we hear from Cindy and get comfortable with some of this. Get her on some of the social media. Oh, absolutely. She will be.

Videos and maybe people can share their videos. And she could even help them out a little bit. Yeah, no doubt.

That's all going to be in the works. I love that. Yeah.

It's, it's so something. So one of the things, bro, we know this about teaching. Some people will, I can say to you, you need to do this with this, your elbow and, and some people do it spot on and other people don't know their elbow from their knee. But if you show them a video or show them a video of themselves, it's like, so some people are really visual learners and learn straight away and quickly by seeing things and others can use the spoken word.

But the one thing that's for sure, everybody's different. Yeah. Well, the video helps a lot. We've talked about this feel isn't real, so they might be feeling a certain thing, but then they want and they think they're making the big turn. Then they watch themselves in video and go, God, I thought I was turning all the way and I've got 20% to go or 40% to go. Right. That's good. Video helps a ton.

It can also make you crazy and start looking at too many things, but when you're working on a specific thing, you want to make sure you're doing it, it's a great way to go. That's what Cindy's going to bring to the table, but I'll tell you a really cool story about Ben Hogan. Mr. Hogan was, you know, he wasn't the most public person. He worked his tail off and hit ball after ball after ball and right towards the end of his career, right before he was stopping to play, they started coming out with video.

Okay. And they said, Mr. Hogan, this is fantastic. We have video. Can we, can we video your swing? You want to see your swing on video? You know what he said?

No. And they said, what do you mean? I mean, you work so hard on your swing. He goes, I do not want to see what, that I'm not doing something I feel like I'm doing, which is so beautiful because it was working for him. He had a theory in his mind and he didn't want to disrupt that with the facts that he might not actually be doing that.

We talked about this, I think several shows ago, Xander Schaufield was the same way. His father wouldn't- Shoffley. Shoffley. Shoffley. Shoffley.

His father would not let him watch video and he would sneak some video with their buddies on the side and his dad, I guess, pretty tough guy and his dad just didn't want that for the same reason. So again, there's pros and cons. You've got to have a plan when you use it.

You just don't want to abuse it. We've watched some of the tour players. I've watched for you. I'm not going to name names. These guys just grind it out and boy, it didn't seem to help. No, no. I'm with you. It's very technical because you've got to feel your way around out there. But, Pearl, it's a gigantic trap. I mean, first of all, the game of golf is just a mental...

It's a trap all to itself. But this quest to get better, and I have taken myself down so many rabbit holes where I think I'm getting better and I'm like, this information is not helping me. Did I need to know that? The answer was no.

We need videos between our ears for the neural pathways and to see if our synopses are firing accordingly. Do I have any of those? I don't think so. You might not anymore, but you had it when you first got out there. I don't think I did. I may not have been good. I've been trying to kill all the synopses I can. I think I've probably done a good job.

There's not much red wine left in the town. Well, that's going to do it for the Front 9 segment. Come back to the Back 9. We're going to have our interview with Mark Long, and we're going to have an episode of Whack and Chase in the 19th hole. This is Golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. Welcome to our segment that I like to call The Leading Edge. My guest this week, and will be with me for the next seven or eight weeks, is Cindy Vickers. Cindy, good morning, and thanks for being on the show. Well, thanks for having me. I feel very honored, as a matter of fact.

Oh my gosh. Try not to be nervous. You're the first person that's felt honored to be on the show, but we appreciate that.

We're all about firsts. We're good. I want to tell folks a little bit. We talked, and we have this segment that we're going to call Improving Your Physical Handicap. You've got some really phenomenal certifications.

You're certified as a registered yoga teacher, a corrective exercise specialist, KVEST instructor, TPI, which is Titleist Performance Institute instructor, as well as a personal trainer. And I just think you're perfect for this spot, because... Let's say that again, because that word doesn't get used that much. Yeah, they're perfect for this.

Yeah, they think you're just perfect. Thank you. That's a good spot, because what we're trying to do is figure out ways that we can differentiate yourselves in your field. Tell me a little bit about your thoughts on how we're going to approach this, lowering your physical handicap. Okay, so let's just say a handicap is some kind of challenge or impediment to you being successful at what you're trying to do. And we're talking about golf specifically, and we're talking about a fitness handicap. We're talking about what is it about your body that it's not doing that's causing you to not essentially have an efficient golf swing, right? So having an efficient golf swing is the name of the game if you want power, if you want speed, if you want club head speed, you want consistency, if you want everything. It's about having this very efficient swing.

So TPI has, they just have extensive, extensive research about golf and fitness and how it applies to improving your golf game. So they've created this data where they have essentially 12 physical screens, like 12 tests, and they call it the body swing connection. So in each test, they're saying, if you cannot perform this test, and it might look like it's something that's unrelated to your golf swing, the way it is going to impact your golf game is thus and so. So let me give you an example of one of those things, and there's 12 screens.

So we're not really going to talk about this specifically today, but this is just an example. So one screen tests your ability to rotate your hips internally and externally. Extremely important for the golf swing.

Extremely important. If you cannot rotate your hips sufficiently, that can cause sway. I know it sways when you lean away from it, that causes you to lose your balance. It can cause you to lose your posture, have reverse spine angle, early extension, hanging back. That's just about rotating your hips internally.

And you really can't separate things because then we have to talk about the strength of your lower body and your upper body rotation. But if we're just talking, but my point is that if I can see that you cannot rotate your hips internally, I know that that's what's going to happen in your golf swing. And that's what's so important about why we want to get this message out to our listeners is because they'll go take lessons and buy new clubs and things like that. And the information you have can help them, you know, and maybe save them from buying new clubs. They don't need that.

Yeah. And it's not like you don't look at those things. I mean, you need to understand how to play the game and assessing the course and how to relax and all those things. But this is specifically about when you're trying to get yourself into this efficient golf swing. And lots and lots of people, particularly amateurs, don't realize that their body is not doing the very thing that they're supposed to be doing or that their teacher or their golf pro or they understand that they're trying to do something, but their body just won't cooperate. So it's the job of me to figure out what it is that's not happening, either strength-wise or flexibility-wise, and then give you the tools to do it. But we're really talking about specific to playing golf, not about getting six-pack abs, which we could do that too if you want.

Well, that's fantastic. And we are going to break this series down. We're going to talk about balance. We're going to talk about flexibility, strength, and speed. And so stay tuned to the leading edge.

Cindy Vickers is going to be with us for the next seven or eight weeks. And we are going to break down these parts of our body that are going to help you create a more efficient golf swing. After 25 years on the PGA Tour, Jay Delsing takes you behind the scenes from the eyes of a pro. Now, back to more golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. I've got my favorite Caddie John here with me.

And really, we are headed to the back nine. Let's go straight to our Mark Long Caddietale interview. I can remember just having, back in the day when I first got on tour, you know, not really knowing very many people, not knowing what to do, and having, when you had a Caddie, you know, that worked for you for a few weeks and you got to know him, it was such a, like a, oh, like a comfort level. There was just a different comfort level knowing that you're going to walk up there and, you know, have your guy come grab your bag and off you go, as opposed to, man, when I didn't have a Caddie, I felt like a piece of meat in a, you know, in a, out in the, on the wild where all these lions and tigers were just going to come in and started hitting at me and just, you know, grabbing me and tell me how good they could Caddie and things like that. It was just weird.

Yeah, that walk through the parking lot was, was you're running the gauntlet on a Monday or Tuesday, aren't you? Uh, it, it doesn't, I don't think that happens much anymore. Cause everybody kind of just has a full-time Caddie. But when we went out there at first in the, in the late eighties or early nineties, um, it was unusual to have a full-time Caddie guys were switching all the time.

Right. I mean, there was actually a P did you know that there was actually a PGA rule that in the seventies, early seventies, I think it was still in effect where you could not take the same Caddie for more than one or two weeks in a row. That was an actual rule. You had to use a different guy.

No, I had no idea. But when I first got on tour, Curtis strange was one of the best players and he never had, he never kept a Caddy for more than, you know, six or eight weeks and rotated them in and out. Yeah, there was a, there was a lot more of that in the early, late eighties, early nineties guys were always working for different players. And then, uh, of course, when I went out with Fred, I worked for the same guy almost all the time when I came out and that, that was sort of the, sort of when things started changing. And the interesting thing about how things have changed for Caddy is it's that the increase in the purses, it's all directly related to the increase in purses. The more money there was in caddying, uh, changed the way Caddy did things and who came out to get, um, when I first came out, there were a handful of caddies who were good players.

Uh, bones came out the same time I did. He was real good. He was an all American in college.

Um, I, I was an average college player, talent wise. So I, I, you know, I wasn't too bad a golfer, but there weren't, there weren't too many guys who could break 70 playing golf as a caddy. When I came out now, there's guys who have their tour cards, who've had tour cards, who are getting, I there's probably 30 caddies who have no idea how many times they've broken 70 playing golf.

Shoot. There's probably 30 caddies who played the corn fairy tour caddying on the tour right now. It's, it's kind of like everybody who didn't make it to the majors is caddying for someone they knew who they played with in college or the minor leagues. So it's really, it's really changed a lot.

And, and what, uh, uh, you know, there's two, two trains of thought, basically. You don't have to necessarily know the game, uh, super well. You just need to know your player's game.

Um, but if you do know the game really well and, and you have that connection with your player, it can be a huge help. I think, yeah, it's not, obviously it's not a hundred percent requirement cause if you kick off the list, uh, Joe LaCava is a great caddy tiger woods, caddying out for a couple of long, long time caddy, he knows exactly it. There's no way anybody knows more about caddying than Joe does. And I, I don't, Joe, I don't think is, is a low handicapper even. Um, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure he's not, he's not that kind of a, uh, a player, but he, but he, he just has so much experience.

He pays attention. You don't have to be, there are lots of great coaches who, who weren't great players. That's true in all sports. And that's true in caddying. You can kind of look at it that way, but if you happen to play at a high level, which, which I didn't, but I can name someone for instance, let's take Nick Jones, who caddies for Charles how, uh, Nick was an all pack 10 guy at USC and Nick played in the U S open at Pinehurst and I think he actually shot a pretty good score the second round.

He missed the cut. But if you have a caddy who knows what it's like to be in those situations, it's gotta be a bonus. Cause he, he just has another insight to the player's mentality and what the player's going through. And if you haven't been there, you can try to think, you know, but you don't know, do you?

No, you really don't. Let's just reminisce a little bit about some of the fun stories that you have and some of the funny things that occur. I, I told a story a couple of weeks ago about, I was playing with Greg Norman and I watched him top of drive about 40 yards, you know, and he was probably the best driver of the ball that I ever played with long and straight wise. And some of the things you see, you know, day in and day out get pretty funny and pretty unusual. So, so yeah, let's, there's, there's so, there's so many of them. Well, I think since you brought up the Greg Norman shot, it's seeing some of the bad shots that the guys have hit.

I remember, I remember how Sutton Cole topping one off the ninth D at Las Colinas one time. And that's, it's just a shock when that happens. It happens, but it shocks you every time it does. Cause that's the last thing you expect one of the great players of all time to do, but they do it. It should be a little hint to the listeners that the difference between a tour player's really good shot and really bad shot is just as gargantuan as yours is. It's true. It's pretty shocking sometimes.

Yeah, it's true. One time we were playing with Dr. Dirt Bart Bryant at Austin in a senior event.

And you know how Dirt used to kind of, he used to kind of beat the ground with his three wood and then tee it up on the top of the ground, you know. Is that, no, are you talking about Brad or are you talking about Bart? Dr. Dirt, Brad, Brad, Brad. That's right. Brad. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Brad. Brad. Did I say?

Okay. So it's Brad, Dr. Dirt. So anyway, he, he, you know, does the thing and you know how long he hit it too. He hit it miles. So he kind of cuffs up the grass, puts his ball on it and hits the three wood.

He hits it so fat. It flies about 15 yards up in the air at about 20 yards forward. And it plops in a little pond right in front of the tee that nobody, you didn't even know the pond was there.

You just walk around it without it. And until this ball flew into the pond, you never knew the pond existed. And it was Tom Kite and Dirt and Fred Funk. And we were all just dead silent because it was just shocking. And so Brad just goes over, gets another ball and tees it up with his driver and hits it about 340 right down the pipe.

Like nothing happened. He has the best, he has the best series of nicknames. I mean, he, he was one of those guys, Brad Brant we're talking about would come out and at the early morning, tee time, afternoon, tee time, whatever, straight out of the hotel and look like he slept in his clothes. Everything he had was wrinkled. His hat was on crooked.

There was food stains on the front of his, his, his clothes. And he was, he started off, they used to call him Commander Dirt. And then they said, Commander in Chief of all Dirt Forces. And then there's Nick. That was McCorn who dubbed him, right?

Right. And it just evolved all the way back down to just Dirt. Now you just refer to Brad Brant as Dirt because he's just kind of Dirt. And we can, we can name, there's a group of guys who fit into that, this category, who can take the best, you can get the best Italian tailor clothing, whatever, and put it on these guys. And they all just look, like you said, they'd look like they slept in it and eaten the big spaghetti sauce dinner with it, like Steve Pate, right? Pater's just like that. He just, and certainly, so there's Dirt, there's Pater, you know, Rocco, Rocco, when he was younger was like that. Now Rocco, Rocco's looking good now, man.

He's lost a lot of weight and gotten some things together. I went to college with Steve Pate and Steve Pater used to love to dip and we get a little wind blowing and he would spit this tobacco and it would go on his visor, on his face, on the collars of his shirt, I mean, it was everywhere. I wasn't going to go there with the dip part, but that's what I was thinking when I was thinking of Pater, was that's all over his shirt, right? It's just, I'm more in that way than I am in the keeping clean way. I put on a new shirt in the morning, it's within one hour, there's something on it.

I've got that same problem. Well, the older I get, I mean, I just spilled my whole, I could tell you what my three meals were by looking down at the clothes that I have on because it's all over the place. But you know, Bobby Clampett was a little like that. He'd take three swings and his shirt would come untucked. Oh, he couldn't keep his shirt tucked in, yeah.

There's a few of those guys for sure, yeah, that's funny. I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of some comical things we've heard guys say, or, oh, one, Fulton Allum, I mean, talk about some lines that you remember forever. He used to just, remember Basil used to work for Fulton. And so did Bullet Bob Burns. Yeah, and Fulton, all the lines he had for Basil, Basil, I know your head is hollow, but it still casts a shadow, please move so I can, but you know, he just said he, he had so many good lines with that South African accent, many of which I can't say on the radio, unfortunately.

No, you cannot. We're a family show. But I know exactly where you go with them. What about the time that Fulton Allum dropped his yardage book in the Porta John? Oh, my goodness. And had Bullet Bob Burns go retrieve it?

Yeah. He actually had, who actually did not retrieve it. He had his, his scorekeeper go in there and get it.

Exactly. And so she, she walked, she walked, walks up to Bullet. And he's, she's got this wad of toilet paper holding the yardage book and Bullet just starts laughing. And I say, without going into the exact verbiage used, on one or two swings later, Fulton followed through and started smelling his grip.

And it didn't smell quite right. And he described it in very colorful language, like he did most of the time. Did you know Bob Burton, so Bob who worked for Fulton as well, legendary caddy from Long Island. He told me once that he went to grade school with Bob Costas, and he used to beat up Bob Costas every day and steal his lunch money.

So that's a neat little tidbit. You know what, Bob Burns caddied for me for about two years, and it was, it was never a dull moment. He had more one liners and more little quick jabs and barbs than anyone I've ever, I ever had met. And I also had a tough time understanding some of his New York. Oh, yeah.

Well, how about, I'm just trying to think of some more. I remember Bullet aligned, Travis, we're sitting in Hawaii, and we've been there for a week or two. And it's Saturday night, everybody's hanging out at Duke's and Travis says, he goes, man, I can't get, I can't wait to get off this rock back where I belong. And immediately Bullet Bob says, yeah, back in the county jail, you know, just classic bullet. Gosh, he, now did you ever hear the story back before George started making yardage books, or making a lot of them, I guess, guys would get different numbers all the time on par three.

So you get a pair of three guys that have three different numbers, and no one would know what was going on. And so I guess, I guess when the growler was working for Payne Stewart one time, they get to about the 17th hole and Taines Taines eight under for the day. And growler gives Taines the number, it's like 185 and Taines says to growler, he goes, hey growler, every number you give me today has been even it's been like 150, 155.

I haven't heard like a 163 the whole day, hey growler, keep in mind, he's eight under for the day growler looks right at him and goes, that's because you're not that good. No, what is, do you know the growler's full name? I know his first name was Lynn, wasn't it? Lynn Strickler.

Lynn Strickler. Oh, and so folks, they called him the growler because he growled at you. He basically just growled at you. So he told Payne Stewart, yeah, he told Payne Stewart, you're not, he's eight under far for the day. And he's, he's rounding up or down all of his numbers to give them even.

And he told him he's not that good, so he doesn't need them to be any more specific. Yeah, the way Lynn would have said it, if I could try, I've never tried my growler imitation, but it'd be something like, he'd go, you're not that good. You know, just priceless. Some of the, I'll tell you, the caddies when I came out, oh, you could have made a movie about it.

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I'm your host Jay. I got Pearly here with me and we are going to the 19th hole, one of our favorite segments. Man, I want to thank the team and their automotive group. Just bought my car, my daughter, Joe, a car and they just hit it out of the park over at the Volkswagen dealership in Kirkwood. Can't thank them enough.

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All right, cool. We the Mark Long stuff is just really great. We've got we got to go to an episode of Whack-N-Chase. That's great too. From Caddy Tales to Whack-N-Chase.

This is the Golf with Jay Delzig show and it's fun with one episode after another, baby. Here comes Whack-N-Chase. John Jay, you guys ready to help some people?

Absolutely. We're always ready to help somebody. All right, David.

He's on the line now for Whack-N-Chase looking for some advice. Hey, guys. Thanks for having me on. Hey, Dave. How are you? Dave, thanks for calling.

Yeah. So, I'm a pretty regular golfer, a weekend warrior, if you will. I play a couple times a month.

You know, as often as I can throughout the year, but usually it's a couple times a month. I actually grew up across the street from a golf course and my folks still live there. My dad still plays there every day. He plays five, six times a week.

That's kind of part of my problem. Where? Where are you from, to give us a hint there, so maybe we can identify the golf course if somebody knows it? Oh, gosh. Probably not. Okay. So, my folks live up in Gallatin, Missouri.

I live here in St. Louis. Okay. They live about five hours away. Good. But I guess the problem is that he gets to play all the time and I'm playing a couple times a month and I've got a younger sister, five years younger, and she got to spend an extra five years there across the street from the golf course, and now she lives in Florida. I know. We're going with this, Dave.

This is awesome. So, we only play, all three of us together, about once a year, and an example of that was last week. Oh, Dave. And I think you know how the story ends.

Oh, Dave. That's tough. That's tough. Oh, I bet your little sister can play. Yes, she can. She was a high school athlete. She played ball in college, and she's long, and she's lean, and she can drive the ball almost 300 yards. Yikes.

You got to hate her on the golf course. Thank you. Yeah.

It's a love hate. Yeah. Yeah, right on. Well, there's a lot of good stuff in there right there, though, that you're playing with family, you're still with your dad, that your dad's still playing golf, and somehow you got to step this up. So, how far behind are you?

What are you after here? Not specifically, you know, are you two shots worse than you need to be, or 10 shots? And what are you shooting? I'm about to stroke every other hole. I'm pretty much a bogey golfer. My problem is when I blow a hole, I end up what I call a double bogey, you know, like eight. I got to remember the definition of double bogey is eight.

I got to remember that one. So, yeah, I don't have much time to practice. Where should I be spending my time? I'm probably not going to learn how to hit at 300 yards in my one weekend a bunt.

You know, putting is pretty easy, chipping is a close contact sport. Where should I be spending my time to get better and catch up with these two? That's a great question, and Jay is kind of nervously fidgeting over on the far side of the table over there. So, while he calms himself down, I was going to ask you a couple questions here. So, let's see here. Do you take lessons, or have you taken lessons? You know, I haven't. I actually learned from my dad, he's a pretty good coach in every sport.

I've never taken lessons from a professional, though. Okay, all right. So, that's one little thing we know about you there. Let's see here. Do you dream about golf when you're dreaming, especially like before the big match, this annual match with dad and sister? You dreaming about that? Is there some buildup in your mind, in your dreams, in your thought process prior to the event?

You know, I think excitement, but not a nervous dream. I'm happy about it. I enjoy golf. It's a friendly walk around the park, you know, ruined by a little white ball, but I dream about it in a good way. I look forward to it.

That's awesome. So, just so Jay has a hint here, how many shots are you trying to get better? So, if you're kind of bogey golf, I think you said, what are you trying to be? Yeah, if I could start knocking off, you know, 9 or 10 shots on around 18 holes, I'd be in a lot better shape. Well, thank God you're talking to Jay Delsing, because normally that's a tall order for a lot of people, but it is not for Jay Delsing, and he is chomping at the bit to give you an answer.

So, sit down, grab a pen, get your notes ready, and tell your sister and your father, be ready for next year. Dave, give me a little example, because I think you made a, you feel like putting is pretty easy, so I'm thinking that you don't lose a whole lot of strokes around the green, on the greens. Unfortunately, I probably three-putt more often than I should. I've kind of adopted the concept of on that second shot to try and be on the green, so I'd probably say my, you know, as you make me break it down in my own mind, probably my short game is my problem. You know, I heard somebody saying that they take half their shots without having to feel the hole, and I laughed.

I wish it was half my shots. Yeah, so that's why I asked you that question, because when anybody... So, he wasn't thinking it was bad early, because he wasn't losing any balls on the green. Right.

So, he wasn't making it in, it was eight double boogies. They were grok. Right. Okay. I got it.

I got it. What, because when anyone will ask me, what's the quickest, easiest, best way for me to lower their handicap to lower scores, it's always from 100 yards on in. It's never about trying to hit a 300-yard drive. So, what I would focus on is from 100 yards on in, and I know this is going to sound ridiculous, but Pearl, you can vouch for this, too.

I'd say 60 percent of people that play golf don't know how far their clubs go. Oh, 60. 90. Okay. I was trying to be kind. Yeah.

Well, I'm not that kind. And so, what we want to do is try to figure out how far this club is going to go. Look at all the amateurs you had playing with you all through those years. They all thought they knew how far they did, but every single time you would have begged to hit one more club. And I'll tell you this, David, 99.99 percent of them all missed short.

There was all, you know, that missed it, and I get that. What I would suggest is getting your wedges. If you can sneak out, it doesn't take a huge time commitment. Sneak out, get your, I don't know how many wedges you have in your bag. If you just have a sand wedge and a pitching wedge or if you have three or maybe, you know, you may have four.

I doubt that since you don't get to play that much. But I would get a nice, this doesn't take power, by the way, David. You get nice, smooth, rhythmic swing and just make solid contact. Just keep moving the ball forward. And if you're in doubt, will this wedge get me that far? I'm not sure. Go take one more club and just swing it easy.

It's completely non-male. We love to swing hard. We love to hit it hard. But it is such, even in my game, when I would play my best, it would be because if I was ever in between clubs, I'd take a longer club and not try to hit it hard. It's not as much fun, but it is so much more effective. When you hit it better, it's a lot of fun.

I had making cuts and making money was fun, so actually it was way more fun. But that's what I'd really do. And then focus on one thing that if you can start avoiding your three putts, so start working on the pace of your stroke. Start working on what length of stroke is going to produce what length of putt. You want him to work inside from a foot or two from the hole out to 30 or 40 feet, or you want him to start at 30 or 40 feet and move into a foot? Yeah, I would start out at 30, 40 feet and just get a sense for, man, why am I typically long?

Am I typically short? And one of the things you want to do when you putt, this will help you dramatically. Don't move anything from your belt line down. From your waist down, Dave, don't move a thing. And just let your upper body, with really soft hands, move the club and swing it back and forth.

And try to let the length of your stroke dictate how far the putt goes. That makes good sense. All right. I have something to eat in my bag, I guess.

Really keep it simple and look, your sister can play, your dad's a great coach. Watch them. There's tips in there. Oh, he's watching them. He's watching them all day. He's watching them kick my butt.

He's like, no, I don't want to do that anymore. They're watching me as I zigzag down the course. Yeah, they're like, David, come back here, we're up around this hole. Well sure, appreciate the call in, appreciate you listening to the show and I hope you enjoyed it.

We sure enjoyed having you. Thanks for the help. And David, if this stuff helps, tell everybody where you got it. You got it from Jay and John here, Whackin' Jason, golf with Jay Delsing and if your sister keeps kicking your ass and your dad doesn't want to talk to you anymore, tell them we never met. That's what I'll do, thank you so much. Thanks for calling in.

Bye-bye. Well, I mean, keep calling us, please, Jay at JayDelsingGolf.com, anybody that wants to be on there will have a little fun, but we really do want to help you with your game. Those are fun. Anybody that's played any golf has great stories and we've got, we talked for the longest time, we got Whackin' Chase going, we've got Caddy Tales, it's just a way for us to hear and share stories with people because that seems to be kind of the attraction is you and I talk as little as possible and hear everybody else's stories and golf generates cool stories. And you know what, John, the thing, this is about people and about the people that you meet.

You play around the golf with somebody, they might be your friend for the rest of your life. There's nothing like this game, you guys. It's just fantastic and vulnerable. You're exposed out there. Oh, you're absolutely right. You're humiliated. What else can you laugh and cry at the same time with a perfect stranger?

It's ridiculous. I tell everybody that, I tease him because I say nobody likes Jerry Schatz as much as Jerry. Oh, there's no question about that. Which is great. He is so joyful.

It might be a tough day, but if he knocks one close to the hole, it's a celebration. How about that? You guys remember what I did on 13?

We're like, yeah, but what happened on 14? We thought you had a stroke. Yeah.

Oh, it's really, really fun and man, it's just been a, I'm so fortunate to have been able to, you know, 59, I've been able to do this my whole life and I don't want to stop anytime soon. There's no need to. No. That is, we're going to have to stop this show though because we only got an hour. Too quick again.

Too quick again. Well, thanks for being with us. Meet. Uh, yeah, keep doing it.

Appreciate your help. Appreciate you, uh, keeping us on the straight. Make us look good. We both have faces for radio. This is Golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN.

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