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I'm your host, Jay Delsing. I'm here with my buddy John Perlis. Perli, good morning. I'm ready to go. I've done my meditation.
I am like in a Zen calm state, ready to go. Wow, I don't. Yeah, well, I think we should go. I think we just turn this over. You can't hang out with that.
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No, I definitely would not. We haven't meditated to that level yet. That's why I meditated. Stay away from that stuff. Our social media.
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All right, so today's show, we got a great show for the folks today. Lots of stuff to cover. Yep, so. I got to spend about 35 minutes or so with Jim Kavanaugh. Jim Kavanaugh's CEO of Worldwide Technologies, a North County guy.
We grew up not very far apart from one another in North County. He was the second overall pick in the MISL. That's where my brother-in-law, Timmy Twillman, played for 10 years. Second overall pick in the MISL draft in 1986. He was the.
Uh The soccer player of the year in 1983, just got a scholarship, and now he's worth several billion dollars, runs one of the most successful. uh private companies in the country Mostly. Great dude. Yeah, I ju I love the stories. I I'm anxious for people to hear the stories and from the beginning of business and how he's kind of carry things forward.
And yeah, it was a wonderful interview and Yeah. Just didn't tell everything the guy said. If you can't tell by this interview what kind of guy this guy is, I mean, and then we're going to talk. This presence cup, we just can't see. Seem to get away from it.
We've got Brooks Kepk out, Ricky Fowler in. We've got a bunch of things to cover. Sydney Vickers is going to be with us in our leading edge segment to help you lower your physical handicap.
So. Let's just jump right into the follow. Kepthing. Let's jump into it. Jump right in.
I gotta do this as go ahead. Yeah, no, I'm not sure. I want to hear what that is. Of course.
Well, that's no shocker to our listeners. But I said something about a meniscus terror. For Kepka, it's not, it's a patella, much bigger deal. much bigger deal.
So he uh called Tiger And um I think it's just yesterday said. I can't go. It's interesting. First of all, let's back up for a second. How did he get the tear?
Do you know? He said while he was playing. They didn't say it was necessarily a tear. It could be a strain. Whatever, something happened.
He heard it playing in Korea.
Okay, when he was actually playing. Because the guy works out really hard.
So I was wondering if that's where it came from.
Well, you know what, bro? That's a good point because remember, Brandle? Was given all sorts of grief and said, You don't want to turn out like Tiger. And I'm sitting in my chair going, Why not?
Well, look what happened to Tiger. Isn't that terrible? He just had this 80-second win a couple, you know, a month ago. What? Yeah That one left me or lost me.
I didn't understand that. Yeah, you know, well, it's Brandle being Brandle, which in a lot of ways we love with all the perspective and things he brings to the table. But you do wonder. Back to, you know, you and I have talked about this. Back in our college days, we were prohibited really from working out.
I think we could do some road work, a little jogging, some things like that. But we were told absolutely to stay out of the gym. probably for very different reasons. These guys are going in there, and you know, it's hard to believe that you can be in the gym working as hard as they appear to be working in the stories you hear, and then actually go out and be walking a golf course and playing and getting hurt.
So we talked about this. Way back when we started the show, my opinion. Is that this kind of stuff is going to be coming up like never before? Golfers have always struggled with backs and wrists and things like that. But, John.
The the swing is so violent now. You can Tune your body up as much as you want, but you're swinging the club 125 miles an hour and taking a piece of turf out with that. I mean, it. No, obviously, and that you know you can understand because uh uh Brooks had the wrist injury, which was a huge deal. And he talked a lot about how scary that was and literally wondering if he could play.
I'm assuming he meant to play at a super high level.
So it's no surprise to me that if he doesn't think he's 100%, I mean, you'd like to think after the guy went through that scary wrist injury relative to his career. That he's going to make sure he's right before he comes back out. This, whatever Brooks Kepka does, has. Uh Just like a fog of drama, of of mystery and I feel like um He's not going to play again. Until he's ready.
He's not going to rush. Right. I agree. And you would hope he wouldn't. I mean, I want to see this guy compete and go at it for a long time.
He does add a lot of drama. I would like to know if it's. Purposeful if he's playing playing the audience, playing the the T V or If he's just like a drama guy, I mean, I get such a kick out of the, you know, you and I were joking about the stretching poses and, you know, his underwear and the nude shots and all the stuff going on. You know, What what how much how many nude shots were there in your day when you got you first came on the tour? Oh boy.
Could you imagine that? Yeah. I mean that they were published, we should say. There was probably some nude shots running around here and there. I don't I mean you don't know we're not even going there.
I don't know what in the hell happens with that. But what's interesting about Fowler being the edition. He did finish eleventh. In the standards. It wasn't like he was way the hell down the list or completely out of the running.
And I think Tiger said. Uh this uh it um was the hardest call he had to make, you know, because I think he's friends with Ricky and. Uh they they tee it a little bit down in Jupiter, and so it'll uh it'll be interesting now. Talk about Fowler. He hasn't played since he got married, which has been a month and a half or so ago.
No, he he caught some intestinal bacteria inf bacterial infection. On his Honeymoon.
Okay, so what's the other side?
So, you know, talking about drama. Talking about drama, though. I mean, Tiger's drama. Right, right, right. Brooks's drama.
Ricky, he's like a great story. I never really saw drama there, though. Was there? No, I don't think so. I mean, even he's just pretty straight.
Yeah, he came out on tour kind of looking like a motocross guy. You know, he wore kind of funky and had long hair and kind of that porn star mustache for a while. He needs to keep that. Tigers should say you can be on the team, but you can't have that mustache. He sometimes either looks like that or the ASU Arizona State University Sparky.
It's a little sun devil guy. He looks like that guy sometimes. Yeah, it almost looks like he just didn't. didn't you know wash his face or something in the morning he's got a little bit of his popularity how well he handles things the history of the game the respect he shows to the arnold palmers of the world the jack nicholas of the world i mean i'm absolutely a huge rookie fan it's uh it's it's fun also when they pan the crowd when rookie's playing everybody wears those flat billed caps and they got rookie colors on because i can't obviously i'm 60 years old i can't get that in that style i look at that i just need to go back to that meditation room It's more incredible for me. You just get your head in the right spot.
All right, so this is going to take us into our next kind of fun. Uh Uh component of the show. Just came out with the list of the cutting me off on Ricky Fellows. I am.
Okay. Because we're going right back to Ricky.
Okay. Okay. The nicest guys on the tour.
Okay. Yeah. The nicest guys on the tour.
So, you know, we have nicest guys versus money list. Oh, we could do that. You always hear that. Oh, you can't be a nice guy and play this game. You can't be a nice guy and play sports.
Yeah. I don't buy that. You know what? We've only got a couple of minutes left, so we're going to have to revisit this in our segments. We don't have enough time to go because this is a good thing.
You just don't want to be talking about Ricky anymore. I can see where you're going with this. I like this. I'm not just talking about it. Are you sure that you meditated?
You didn't get to the mind reading? Was there a mind reading in there? You don't know what you can do when you meditate and you get to that quiet spot, that quiet center. Yeah, that's well, it's cool because this year's list. Has got Ricky Fowler on the top of the nicest guys on tour, followed.
Second by one of our favorites, Gary Woodland. Yeah, absolutely.
So we've got some quotes by some other players talking about, you know, other people that are out there. But it's a pretty good list. I only have five pages, so Tiger's not on there. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, six pages.
No, he's not on there. Yeah, I'm just kidding. But no, he's not. He did not make the list.
Well, it was just a question. Yeah, and let's see.
So the top money winner of all time isn't on the list. It's just, maybe I'll make a point here. Is number two on the list? Lefty? Is he on there?
Philly Mick? Again, I only have five pages, so no, he's not on there. He did not make the list.
Well, with those guys, they're billionaires, I think, are getting closer. They're going to get taxed a little extra by the network. They can't afford to be nice. They got too much toe.
Well, that's going to wrap up. Beyond the range segment.
So come back. to the front nine. I'm barely warmed up. John and Je John's uh in his uh Zen mode. I'm in I'm not sure what kind of mode, but we're going to come back for the front nine.
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You're listening to golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. You can find Jay online at jaydelsinggolf.com. Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay Pearley.
Is with me here, and we got to talk just briefly about Whitmore. They've been terrific all year long. 90 holes of golf, you all know that. There's multiple golf courses you get to play: the Missouri Bluffs, Lynx at Darden, Golf Club of Wentzville, no cart fees whatsoever, no assessments, great facilities, lots of places to play. A 24-hour fitness center, a huge pool complex.
There's tennis courts, kids' clubs. The kids' club thing is something that's really. Becoming popular around the country, where you can come and drop your kids off. They get to hang out with other kids, they play video games, they can go play golf with some instructors that are out there. That speaks well of the future of the game if that's happening.
They're doing a great job out there. Junior tennis or swim teams available if your kids want to do that, the social calendar. We're getting into the holiday season and Whitmore is extremely active. You know, we had Bummer, I had my ass kicking out there. Bummer took me down and didn't treat me very hospitably at all.
I think we needed him on the radio show so he can crow a little bit. Is he a crower? No. He's such a good. He's just such a good guy.
Yep, he is. But there's Golf League Skins games. Bummer and the staff out there, they do a great job.
So visit them at whitmoregolf.com. All right, Pearl. Let's just briefly go over this. the list of the nicest guys.
Okay. Again, top, I'll read the top. 10. All right. That was Ricky Fowler.
Gary Woodland, Jordan Speeth, Roy McElroy. Webb Simpson, Adam Scott, Harold Varner III, Tony Fino, your boy Tony Fino. Scott Stallings and Mark Leishman. My man Lucas Glover finishes 11th, J.T. Justin Thomas 12th.
Wealth at Brant Sniteker.
So, those are all super good guys. Here's the thing that I tell people all the time: if you take the top players and leave out Tiger. If you go with Rory. And you go with Uh speech.
Now I know he's had some trouble the last year and a half, but we're talking about the the you know how our show is. Sure, close. Close. That's right.
So we got Rory, we got Speeth, Jason Day, Justin Thomas, Ricky Fowler. These guys are great, great players. They're great people. You know, I've never met Jordan Speeth, and I'm definitely a fan. I like when people just do well, and he's an intense guy out there.
But he is such a talker, and he's such a. I don't know, sometimes negative, it appears to me. He's so jumpy on the court. Yeah, see, I didn't know how that would be perceived by the other guys. I know they traveled together.
I know they all came up for the junior ranks together, but. I also think that if they if he's Being seen as such a good guy, and he's gone through the quote troubles, he's still doing extremely well, but the troubles compared to when he was kind of leading the golf world a couple years ago, that speaks great of him, too. That if he's handling that. lull in his game, if you will. I'm I think that's awesome.
It's easy to be a good guy once you're on top. That's right.
You know who's number one on this list last year? No. Jordan Speed. Oh, okay.
So there you go.
So he's dropped like a rock in this list. Yeah, dropped all the way down to three. But yeah, anyway, so let's talk quickly about. The the the turnover at CBS and the CBS golf team. Gary McCord and Peter Costas out.
I'm going to tell you that I know those guys really well. I took lessons from Peter Costas. No. No, what? No, I can't say what I was just going to say.
Well, don't. They've had great careers. They have. And you know what? We were so, I am such a fan of changing.
Yeah. Well, but I would, but let's go back to change then. It was a change when you brought those guys on. Because the golf world had never heard anybody really like Gary McCord. Right.
Gary McCord's been doing it for over 30 years. He's 72 years old. Time to go. You just think of the early years. I mean, everything was still staying.
This guy comes out there, and he's funny. He's changing the mannerisms. He's challenging that. He's kind of making that Peter. Jacobson stuff that happens on TV, they're kind of joining forces.
So those guys are both, and for me, much more so. McCord than Costas. McCord really changed and moved things around, and I think that was important. We needed it. It's probably time for him to do it.
Did Steering handle it well? Terrible. What happened? I don't even know. They just called him and said, You're out.
That's terrible. That's absolutely. I mean, they've been doing this for that long, and they even have a little swan song on the road. Absolutely. Around the track.
Absolutely. I talked to McCord. He's like, All I wanted to do is say thank you. You know, and he's so McCord and Costas, they both live in Scottsdale. Look for something at the waste management.
They will do something special there. I hope that they're both classy people and did a great job for the game. And now, Davis. Great guy. Davis Love, the third.
I have had so many people say to me, Is Davis Love just this snotty, stuck up? And I go, 100% no. He is, and they're like, he looks like this little rich kid. I'm like, well, I don't know where you're, you know. I've had multiple people say that.
I said, he's as good a guy as there is. And one of the all-time great players. Yep, absolutely. From a golf family. 2 wins a major championship at Wing Foot.
He won the PGA championship there. What year was that, Pearl? What? Uh-huh.
Okay. Yeah, he did win the PGA championship at Wingfoot, and I think it was 97, but don't check that. Um But I think it's time, I mean, to CBS, it's going to be interesting to see. They're going to bring in Mark Immelman, Trevor Immelman.
So you're going to get those and I am those accents, those that that South African accent. Me some Nick Price and love, you know, our buddy Trevor Dodds from Namibia, David Frost, Ernie Ells, good friends, good guys. But man, I just don't know how that's going to translate on the T V. But they did not call and ask my opinion, did they? For you?
Not that you're aware of. No. No, but that's why we have this show so we can go ahead and say whatever the heck we want to say. Absolutely. Well, I think the accents, obviously, the ladies' tour, they do the same thing.
The golf channel, they've got the beautiful lady hosts on that with the accents.
So that's just something that they feel, I'm assuming, sells the game. I think that can wear thin if the people aren't. steeped in their knowledge and experience.
So we'll see. All those guys are obviously Immelman a major winner. There's there's they bring a lot of other things to the table. And so I think it'll be interesting for your stance on What do you have? What's your take?
And we have to go, but what is your take on the accent? I mean, think about it. I like it. I like it. Yeah, overdone wears me out, but I like it.
But again, we're going to get to see Davis Love and get to know his personalities because that will all be out there for everybody to see. And I'm with you. I think you're going to see just a real solid golf ambassador. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how Nick Fowlo fits into this whole thing with Davis. How are they going to do it?
Sir Nancy. Excuse me, excuse me. Sir Nick. Yeah, like I said, Nick Falno, not one of my faves. Anyway.
That's going to do it for the front nine too. You are so funny on your faves and non-faves. I got to play with these guys. You learn a lot walking around five rounds. They're faves and not faves.
Yeah, that's right. They've earned that. But coming back for the back nine, you're going to get to listen to a great interview with Jim Cavanaugh. This golf with Jay Delsing. I'm here with Cindy Vickers, and we are on this segment.
we call the leading edge. And Cindy, good morning and thanks for joining me today. Thank you, Jay. Good morning.
Okay, so we gave folks last week a little bit of an introduction as to why And what lowering your physical handicap is going to look like. And today we're going to get more specific and we're going to talk about balance and why balance is so important.
Okay, well You know, first of all, I think that that's not the first thing that comes up when you're talking to a golfer about what they want to do with their golf swing. And I know that all golfers know about it, but it really gets put on the back burner.
So just to be really simple about balance, just imagine, you know, if you're off balance, it doesn't matter how strong you are. I can just barely touch you, and you're going to move. And you can't, you can't even, an inch of movement in golf can make all the difference. And an inch in a golf is a mile.
So you're so right.
So just if we're talking about balance, here's some of the things that can happen if you cannot balance. You will probably have a great deal of difficulty getting out of the sand trap. Yeah. You're going to, that little bit of balance can affect your rotation, and it can affect so much in that swing path that. You know, it just is going to make all the difference about hitting the ball squarely.
So, we're talking about balance, we're really talking about having a stable base and being able to control your bat one. Body part is staying still while other parts are moving, and you don't want things to move, like you said, like even an inch can be a mile.
So, when we talk about improving your balance, what we're looking at at balance, it's really proprioception, and those are all those little nerve endings that are telling your body where you are in space and time. They're everywhere in your body, but it also affects your acceleration and your rotation, and just knowing and your brain knowing. What is happening when things are moving in different directions? And then the other part of it is muscle strength. And it's very particular muscle strength.
There's a lot of muscles involved, but the big ones are your glute medius, which is that side of your hip muscle, and your soleus. And that's the muscle in your calf that, if you were, for example, to do a toe raise, you're raising up your toes. If you do it with your knees bent, then you're exclusively working your soleus.
So we really have to look at those. Uh Nani Flexio.
soul maybe. You do. Probably do. You probably yours is probably like six inches long. Yeah, no.
And your wingspan like a pterodactyl. No, I think I think what's what we're what we're talking about here in balance is there's so many uh flaws that that balance bad balance is caused by. And if you look at tour players Perfect balance when they swing the club. There's a few that come to mind that don't over the years, but for the majority of the time they are rock solid on their feet.
So sometimes you're talking about tipping over, but sometimes you're talking about just shifting your weight and not realizing that's part of balance, right?
So just at a dress, if your spine's tilted.
Okay, which it probably is going to be if you're, you know, one hand's in front of the other, then somebody, some people will shift their weight. And they're out of balance, I don't realize it. Or their balance isn't equal from their heels to their toes.
So, it's a big deal of awareness and how you're planting your feet, but you really have to be really grounded with your muscles to hang on to your balance.
So, it's obvious just listening to you and describing parts of the body and your eye is so important, and that's why we want our listeners to plug into this so that they can take this thing to the next level and. And lower their physical handicap.
So the thing is, so your inner ear can affect your balance a lot. And if you've had a lot of inner ear infections or have problems with vertigo, that's something that may not be correctable, but you can train it, you can make it better. There's actually ways to train it. And then obviously you can train your muscles. You want to reach out and contact Cindy?
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Now back to more golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. Pearlie and I are here. And this is the back nine.
We are going now. To the interview I had with Jim Cavanaugh, the CEO of Worldwide Technologies.
So enjoy this. This interview. Man, you've had such an interesting life. You're a North County guy. You went to Rosary High School and were just a great soccer player.
You were named the MS Player of the Year and 1983, you were on the 1984 Olympic team in Los Angeles. You still have soccer running through your life in so many ways with. You know, the FC St. Louis and you're the president of the Scott Gallagher. Board, I mean talk a little bit.
And talk us a little bit about growing up in North County and how big soccer, how big a part of your life soccer's been, Jim. Yes, Jay, as you know, growing up in that part of town, it was, I would say, very much a middle class kind of neighborhood that we collectively lived in. That being said, I thought it was a great place to grow up. My dad was a bricklayer, so I came from, you know, someone that I think absolutely instilled in me what Uh You know, a hard day's work was, and that's kind of how he looked at it. Whether it was things that he expected out of myself, my brother, and my sister.
So, you know, fortunately, growing up in that area, you know, as you mentioned, soccer was a sport that was played by many. For my own benefit, I learned so much playing soccer growing up, learned, learned. Uh you know, I would say that A lot of the values and habits of hard work and discipline and teamwork. uh that you know, these are things that have lived on you know, that I think about daily, even in my as a CEO, and managing and leading people and how important teamwork is and never losing that work ethic and grit and determination.
So lessons learned playing up playing soccer. Uh have I've been able to fortunately apply in so many different aspects of my life, and I just feel very fortunate. uh to it and on that you know on top of it I I love the game love to play and uh I I just love to be a part of it for so many different reasons.
Well, Jim, in 1986, you were the second player picked overall in the MISL draft of Major Indoor Soccer League. What a thrill that had to be. Yeah, it really was, Jay. You know, I was uh Uh Extremely fortunate to get picked. you know, second in the draft.
And I will tell you, growing up, playing on a lot of different teams. I was cut a number of different times.
So I I would say you know, perseverance and hard work. Absolutely does pay off, and it doesn't mean you're going to be the second pick or you're. you're gonna have success and whatever, but I'll tell you this. it definitely gives you your probability of being successful in whatever you do. If you bring that kind of grit and determination and work ethic, the probability of success, whether in sports our our our general work is is going to be better and uh That was one thing I could have gave up when I was growing up because I was caught a number of different times with different teams and got a good fortune of barely getting asked at the last minute to did a scholarship to St.
Louis University and from that standpoint uh Harry Keogh at the time saw something in me, and I played every game and every minute for him, and that literally. Created some opportunity that some of the Olympic team coaches saw me play and You know, and I and you just kind of, you know, that's another lesson learned, I would say, is just taking those opportunities when they present themselves and recognizing it and jumping on it. Uh and uh that's what it did and it kind of catapulted me. Into a position where I had the good fortune of being picked in the second as the second overall pick in the nineteen eighty six draft, which I was. I was very fortunate to get that.
I mean, Jim, playing on the Olympic team, I mean, what a thrill that is. But one of the things that you said that rings so true to me is. I think Jack Nicholas said the harder I work, the luckier I get. And um your success is I think that's what you're talking about. Yeah, no, you're spot on.
And it it you know, I I it's you know, it it's such a simple Simple statement, but it is so true. And I think there's, you know, again, a lot of people that. don't completely understand that doesn't mean that every Thing that you do is going to turn to success, but I can assure you if you build into Your own personal habits into your DNA that you just don't run from hard work, you run to hard work. And you learn to enjoy that. And those things, you know, over time, opportunity will present itself.
And you need to take advantage of those opportunities. But a lot of times, those opportunities don't present themselves. unless you're willing to put the time, effort and and work into it.
So Uh you know, I I I I think that's something that everybody can take and and learn to you know the importance of of hard work, grit, and determination, because I think it pays off for everybody. Yeah, I agree with you. And you know what's interesting, Jim? There's a couple things. You have to put yourself out there, don't you?
You really have to have some stretch goals and you have to have this dream or something similar that gives you some of those. what some people might have looked at, at least they did in my case, you know, kind of crazy ambitions. And then as I look at the back at the failures, I think I learned so much more about myself through them than some of the successes. I think it's uh it's it's a hard one. I've been uh Uh Thinking about those different things, I actually just finished reading a book called The Obstacle is the Way.
Uh and it you know, basically the moral of the story is uh you know if you're if you set your mind in the right way that You know, where you actually embrace challenges and you embrace obstacles that are in your way. You will get better, and that's how you do get better. You two, you will get. You'll probably learn a lot more from your challenges and your setbacks than you will from things that became. easy and you've had great success with.
So Um I think that is very true. And I would say, even my point as long as I've been a part of the game, but the game of soccer, but also just a part of business uh creating this mindset that you want to constantly learn and you want to constantly get better. And I think that can be attracted to you as a professional golfer. Uh, the same thing applies in soccer, and the same thing applies in business. I think one of the biggest.
Uh Uh problems or I would say hurdles that people can run into is when they think that they've mastered the game, or they think that they've mastered being a leader and running a business. That's when I think we start. You know, you will start running into problems because I think you got to create that mindset that you're always trying to learn and get better.
Well, for me, Jim, that kind of would breed complacency. And I can remember some of the times when I was playing my best, if I didn't stay up with doing the things that got me there, I'd fall right back into the same bad habits. And you know that That's another it's another one of those. I mean, you push yourself to learn and get better. But as you know, Jay, I mean, and boy, and I'll tell you, golf is a can be a penalizing game.
Talking about a game of inches and tweaks Good. You know, can impact your swing and just all kinds of things. But I think those good habits Uh You know, learning what good habits are all about, learning how to put those in play and to make sure you never forget them. Uh just go a long way in both sport and in business and leadership. Yeah, I have to say, you know, you talked about your dad and the values that your parents instilled in you, and I think.
Having that as part of your toolbox, so to speak, is Just, you know, one of the things that I love about growing up in North County, it was pretty much blue-collar, and it was. Uh Some of those things are just priceless now as I look back at 'em. Yeah, they really are. And I would not give away any of that. I think the I had the good fortune of having two still have two great parents who who taught me so much, whether they realized it or not.
And uh Some of those things are around, like I said, just Yeah. being being loyal, being respectful. hard work, being willing to grind things out. Uh you know, and those those are just, I I think, things that you know, you if you can build those into just who you are and what's important. uh they they can apply to to so many different so many different things.
And I think you know, whether people realize it or not, I think also uh Going through some tough times, whether personally or business or sport. Uh They may not feel so good when you're doing it, but they will make you stronger. And I think it's just reflecting back on some of those things and recognizing those values and behaviors that. that that that uh that are very important. to you as an individual and can be very important to your own personal success.
Yes, Jim, if we kind of transition now in nineteen ninety, your business career kind of took off. I'd really love to hear how you and David Stewart kind of met. But man, when I hear your name mentioned around town and in circles. It's always about Man, this guy is so down to earth. He's so one of us.
He's so. Authentic. And then I look, and one of the things that in your core values with your business, it's most important to you is the word trust. And you're so concerned about the culture at Worldwide Technologies. And I've had the great fortune of being with some really amazing companies, especially here in town, like Enterprise and Emerson, and even worldwide.
And when you're with a company that has great culture, it is a whole different world to live in. No, I I I appreciate that and I think You know, again, a lot of things that whether it's growing up. personally and learning some of those I would say those values and behaviors. You know, in applying those and, you know, playing as an athlete. And you know, also working as a member of a team, whether it's in sport or.
it's in business. Those things are incredibly important to me and I also I also believe, you know, creating a culture You know, I can tell you. you know, first starting a business, I really didn't even understand what culture meant relative to a business. I understood there were different cultures you know, around the world, but what did that really mean? I can't say that that was something I really understood when we first started.
What I did understand. was that you you you need to treat each other, you know, with respect, then you need to Always, you know, and to have each other's back and be willing to work hard and to be working, you know, and always looking out to work as a team because that's what business. is is about. It's bringing individuals together and working collectively And collaboratively to deliver outcomes that are much bigger than the individuals. uh working individually.
separately. And so You know, moving forward, a big part of that have clearly figured out how do you create an organization of individuals that come together collectively as a team and that Then when you start looking at maths growing, that becomes the culture. And that culture has to be based on a certain set of values and behaviors. that you expect your organization to live and breathe. On a daily basis.
And that can permeate and proliferate. Globally, we have people all over the world, whether it's in the US or China. China or Brazil or you know, London and you know Singapore. And those same values and behaviors we expect, and they're very simple, to build that trust and have a high level of integrity, how you work with each other.
So when I look at it, you brought up the word trust, I think it is such an important word. Uh and If You have it. things can move forward very quickly. You can make decisions quickly. You can work through challenging situations quickly and collaboratively.
If you don't have it, things tend to take much longer and at times come to a screaming halt or a screeching halt because people can't make decisions because they're not sure what someone else is thinking or what their ulterior motive is.
So I look at that and it's really, really important to To build an organization that is a great place to work and to make sure that those foundational values. tend to behaviors are understood. And are executed against. And you mentioned one that. I'm glad people feel that I'm uh a a fairly down-to-earth individual and you know growing up you know, as we have uh in a working class family and I don't believe that anybody's better than anybody.
It just so happens that I've got a title and a role. Uh that says I'm the CEO and to a certain degree that means I I have responsibility to make sure everybody treats each other with respect and There is no hierarchy or class. But at the end of the day, Also, someone has to make decisions and difficult decisions at times.
So Uh, you know, but that doesn't mean you don't you look at anybody differently.
Okay, so we've got to cut that interview in half. This is going to wrap up the back nine, but don't go away. We'll wrap up that interview. We'll have a few comments and uh. Uh Pearlie and I will be back for the nineteenth hole to scoff with Jay Delsing.
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Do you mind telling us about the time early in your career? When you rented a truck. and drove some PCs to Omaha. Yeah, that was kind of a funny story. It was, you know, many, many years ago, but you know, it's kind of in the spirit of the mantra of the.
We've had it worldwide for years and years and years of doing whatever it takes. You kind of go through those peaks and valleys of things. And as we mentioned, there were opportunities that presented themselves.
So we were at this point, I think it was probably like in 94, 95. That we were building PCs in a building that's not too far from where we are. today where I'm at at my corporate headquarters at our corporate headquarters and uh We build we're building PCs on the weekend and then We had two customers up in Omaha, the U.S. Corps of Engineers in Stratcom, Strategic Air Command. We're two of our customers, and myself and Joe Koenig, who I went to college with, both played soccer together.
He's working here. Joe's the president. We wanted to provide a higher level of service and understand exactly how some things work, so we packed up. Uh the the PCs over the weekend on Sunday, Sunday morning. And Drove the truck, the U-Haul truck, up to Omaha with about 500 or so PCs.
to deliver to these two customers. And It was kind of funny when we got up there the next morning when we were delivering them. We basically went and delivered the PCs first thing in the morning. We were in jeans and a t-shirt. and deliver to PCs and then uh when we were done delivering to the warehouse.
We had our suits in the back of the U-Haul truck, so we were in the back of the loading dock, and we went back and Comedy back and uh Took off our jeans and our t-shirts, whatever we delivered, and then put a suit and tie on in the back and came out of the back of U-Haul truck. And the guys. We're back there uh smoking a cigarette at the dock door. They're looking at us. Kind of laughing and saying, weren't you the two guys that walked in and were delivering the PCs?
And we're like, yep, we're the same ones.
Now we got to go make a sales call to.
some of the some of the IT and procurement folks.
So it's, you know, it's just one of those stories, you know, in that process, I will have to say you got to be careful, do things that you're good at. Fortunately, Joe said, be careful. As we were driving this truck, we were going. through an underpass. Are under an overpass, and uh, fortunately, we did stop because if we had gone forward, the truck would not have made it, we'd end up running into it so.
We had to back up and go another direction.
So, but it's, you know, it's just one of those things, you know, as whether an athlete or in business. Uh the mindset, you know, has got to be you've got to be willing to do whatever it takes at that point in time to drive the business forward. And That was exactly what we've done numerous times here at Worldwide. It just you know, it just didn't all fall together. It's Okay.
We've had our trials and tribulations over the years, and you just gotta have that kind of mindset to work through those things. Yeah, that's what getting it done looks like. And I just love that story.
So, Jim, one of the things I wanted to kind of shift our gears or kind of combined our thoughts is Um man. St. Louis has just got so many great things going for it right now as a community. The Blues just won the Stanley Cup, and I know you're a part owner of the Blues and a long time, long time suffering fan like myself. And to bring home the Stanley Cup is really awesome.
And now, you know, we've got a new soccer club coming to St. Louis. And I mean, it's just exciting as hell for such a soccer-rich community like us to get our arms around that. Yeah, I I I couldn't be more excited about it. And I look at it.
Jay, as you mentioned here, it's twofold and more actually multifaceted benefits that I think that come out of sport. And And how that all connects with the community and business and people and Just, you know, just the overall call it Uh Community and economic impact on the community.
So when you look at you know, the Blues and the Cardinals. You know, that it has such, you know, they create brand recognition for St. Louis, you know, first of all. And then two, when you you you know you you look at you know, the what it does to the community. And if we want to You know, continue to move St.
Louis forward. We need that brand recognition. And we need to create opportunity for You know, our know the for the next generation of of leaders and workers here in in st. Louis and our extended and broader community so i believe that sport can do that and and it's sport is not the end all But when you bring sport and you bring, you know, baseball and and do you bring hockey and now soccer. Uh at the MLS level to St.
Louis. It's very exciting, and I think it does much more than just. talk about the the excitement around soccer, which is great. considering it's the most global sport in the world and It is the one that is being followed most aggressively by our younger generation and the millennials.
So, a lot of that has. mult you know, a multitude of positive benefits and If you look at individuals, kids coming out of school here, whether it's St. Louis University or WashU or Umsell, getting those kids to stay in St. Louis and work. And a lot of them, you know, attraction to other cities can be.
You know, soccer, it can be other sports, it can be economic activity in the downtown area.
So It's exciting, Jay, to look to see what we're doing with MLS and bringing MLS in a new stadium downtown. It's right next to Union Station. That's just down the street from the Enterprise Center in the Blues, and down the street from the Cardinals.
So, just a lot of exciting things going on that I believe. Uh we collectively, as leaders and the community need to continue to push And be more progressive on all fronts, and that's on the business front, on the front of jobs. on creating you know uh better connections to the universities and and the millennials and And I think some of that can be done through sports and soccer, I think, is one of them that has a great connection and opportunity.
Well, Jim, we've seen just how sports can unify a community. And we've seen, we live in such a crazy world where there's so many opportunities for people. To uh pull us apart and to create Different situations that are less than ideal. And we've got a golf tournament now coming to the PGA Tour champions, is coming to Norwood Hills for the next four years. And all of the monies.
That this tournament raise is gonna stay in North County. And Jim, I don't know if you know this. I say this to my listeners as often as I can, because I'm so proud to have just a small, small part of this. But the PGA Tour, since its inception, has donated, created about $3 billion worth of charitable support around the country throughout its different. And and um you know, it's more money than the NFL, the MLB, NBA and NHL have have raised combined.
And it's just another example. And now that St. Louis is going to get a golf event, An ascension is um Gosh, just a. rock star when it comes. They remind me of worldwide just when it comes to community involvement, community citizenship.
And they're responsible for bringing this tournament up to North County area. And man, I couldn't be more excited. And I know you guys are starting to get more involved in golf. No, I I think, you know, again, I I I look at just Sport in general, I I think has has done a A great job better connecting and giving back to the community. And you talk about what golf has done, how is connected with the different communities and has gotten so engaged on different with different philanthropic organizations.
And you see, you know, a a number of the the different uh Uh Sports, you know, whether it's baseball or hockey and soccer. you know, spending time with uh You know, the commissioner up in New York a few weeks ago just on our plan. You know, there is a big plan, you know, and they have a big focus on connecting with the community and inner city kids. And, you know, as you mentioned, Jay, I. I believe you know, the things that you've mentioned ab around uh you know, the tournament coming to St.
Louis around golf and what Ascension's doing. Uh You know, these things are all synergistic and I think just just do great things for our community, philanthropic organizations. And the better that we can take.
some of the different uh sports organizations and connect with kids, which I know golf does it, soccer does it. of how to teach these kids you know good values and good good habits. that they can not only apply to playing that sport, but they can apply to how they manage and lead their life, which is the most important thing.
So Uh you know, it's exciting to hear a number of different things happening here in St. Louis. Yeah, it really is. I feel so fortunate, Jim, to be able to play this great game of golf. Uh, you know, I'm fifty nine.
I feel like I've never had to work uh a job in my life.
Well, Jay, this Jay, this is one I do have to interrupt on that. That uh that I'm going to need some serious help on my golf game.
So that is one. I don't know that. grit, determination, perseverance has paid off for me.
So Uh that that is No, that is it is one of the most enjoyable games and I say it. I sorry to interrupt, but I just say this. No, no, please. I'm glad. It's it's it's an awesome game.
I mean, anybody you know, you can play. It doesn't mean you have to play it well to enjoy it. But it's a fantastic game. But boy, it's a difficult one too. As far as we're interrupting.
No, no. But Jim, if you would have seen me running down the soccer pitch, you'd have known why I walk after a golf ball. It's it was a natural progression for me to get uh get away from running. But um yeah, it's just it's just one of those things that is is um When we talk just a little bit about being on the show today, just the. What sports has done in our lives, you know, and how we try to enhance the communities that we love and the next generations that we love by.
by doing some of these things and and it's great to see it actually work. Uh they No, and it does work. They're No question about it. you know Being involved with the St. Louis Guy Callagher Soccer Club over a number of years and playing and coaching, and now kind of leading the organization.
Yeah. How you can you can basically use the sport to help teach kids values, important values and important habits About being on time, about respect, respect of coaches, referees, and other fellow players. teaching them habits around the importance of Like you said, being on hard work, being on time, hard work, you know, being a team player. Uh These these things you know, can be so you know, transformational for these kids. and and can help lead them and when you See these kids.
Uh Talk about these things, not only about the game of soccer or the sport that they're playing, but the things that they've learned in the sport because you've intentionally trained them. On these values and these behaviors, that is incredibly rewarding and inspiring for me. And when I see that kind of cascade. and you teach your coaches how to coach. Not only around the game of how to play the game, but how to behave and what's important, those are some of the most rewarding things that I've seen.
And I take Both in business and in soccer. When you see you're able to impact people's lives. Uh because of some of those things around the values and behaviors, that's incredibly rewarding. It's so true, Jim. I can remember when we started the first tee in St.
Louis, and it used to bring tears to my eyes when I see a young boy or young girl swinging a club for the first time and hitting that shot, and they come and turn around to you and look almost like they're shocked at how much fun it was. You know, and it was almost like, oh, man, those feelings are just invaluable. And I want to thank you for being on with me today. I want to thank you for what you're doing with our community. It's great to be kind of pushing the ball, so to speak, in our same direction.
And just as St. Louisans, we have so much to look forward to. No, it's my pleasure, Jay. It really is. You know, I've been very, very fortunate you know, to be able to play the game of soccer and uh to meet so many fantastic people, you know, across the United States, around the world.
And many of them that I'm still in, you know, that I consider some of my best friends. Um And then also, just you know, staying connected to the community and a good fortune and work.
So, I appreciate the. Appreciate you having me on your show today and talking through.
Some of these I think are. Very exciting things going on here in St. Louis. So thanks for having me. appreciate uh all you're doing with the game of golf also.
Okay, so Pearl. I don't even know where we don't have enough time to dissect that interview and do it just. We loved it. What a cool, what a, what, what a, what, when he talked about culture, and one of the most important things to him. was trust.
and building trust. You know, and he also said, well, I have the the title of CEO, but You know This is all about trying to treat people evenly, respectfully. And uh They're doing it.
Well, that's why it's successful. I mean, when I go work with companies, it's all about the culture, and you can see it's something that you can't put in a box, but you can sure feel it when you walk in a room, walk in a company, talk to somebody about the company. You kind of doesn't take very long to kind of know how things are being operated. And one thing I've learned: if The culture isn't good. You're going to see good people do very strange things that they're not happy with.
Bad culture turns good people. Into really questioning themselves.
So I loved when he talked about that. And I wish we'd had more time to talk to him more about where that came from. How did he first see that? And I'm going to just take the jump. It was from understanding sports at a high level because that's a huge part of where that comes from.
I think we talk a lot about what we learn from sports, but that's a huge piece.
Well, I asked him. And he said it came from his family, his father. His dad was a bricklayer. His dad was a hard worker. And they instilled in him the value of putting in that hard work.
And then I think you're spot on with you couple that with the competitive drive and the hard work of sports and achieving some high-level things there. And it's, it's. It's a perfect blend. But I ought to tell you: the companies that I get to work with, the pleasure of the guy, the enterprises of the world, the worldwide technologies, if it doesn't start at the top, You don't have it. Absolutely no doubt about that.
You can talk all you want, but if your CEO is pompous and a pain in the butt, It's not happening. There's zero doubt about that. Emerson is another company that comes to mind. Dave Farr is just a gas of fun guy, but he is real. He is honest.
He is authentic. It's yeah. They are the establishers and keeper of the culture. And again, I'm with you on the hard work thing, but just hard work alone, that's an element, but it's not everything that's going to form the culture. But I liked your questions.
I liked that whole piece, but that's where a lot of people are going to have their whole career and never understand that. Man, this show just flew by. Thanks so much for being with me. I'm so glad you got to meditate. Can you meditate for the next show?
Hopefully, they can't hear that. Pearlie's got his legs crossed and he's falling back in his chair. But me, thanks so much for running the board for us. Brad Barnes, great job. We will talk to you next week.
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