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He's done a lot of broadcasting and did an interesting article and interview with Brando Chamblee. So stay tuned for that. But you know this week the PGA Tour revamp schedule came out. Looks like we are going to open the year up without spectators down at the Charles Schwab Challenge in Fort Worth.
Classical golf course colonial country club. And you know I feel like this is really symbolic in a way to me at least. I am just absolutely going stir crazy. I feel like I'm living someone else's life or I just feel like I'm kind of out of my own skin.
There's a lot of different ways to try to describe what is actually going on. But I just can't wait to have something that I can hold on to that reminds me of, you know, a part of that life that we used to have. And sports is such a huge part of that for me and it may not be for you but to have golf come back. And I just think it's really, really super important. And I applaud the staff in Jacksonville. Jay Monahan and the staff there.
They're very thoughtful, very considerate people. I know they're going to get this right. There's so much that's going to go into this folks between locker room etiquette. Is there going to be a locker room? How is the TV compound going to be run? Because that is, I've been in those facilities before.
They're huge and they're confined. And you've got all these, you're still going to need the same amount of folks to run the television now even though there won't be any spectators as you would with spectators. So there's going to be a hell of a lot of challenges. But personally, I'm just glad that golf is coming back. We're talking about the second week of June.
And again, it's down at Fort Worth. And it's going to be interesting to see if there's any sort of pushback from the players about, you know, maybe not playing. I'm really not sure what to expect. I know for sure that they are all extremely anxious to get going.
But at what cost? You know, certain people, especially some of the players from different cultures, may not feel quite as certain as some of the US players. So the schedule is going to go from Texas down to Fort Worth, and then they're going to go to Heritage, which is typically the week after Augusta. Then the last week of June, they go up to Hartford and then swing through the Midwest and Detroit for the Rocket Mortgage Classic.
The John Deere Classic keeps its original date, which is great to see my friends here at Quad Cities. The Memorial Tournament has moved back about six weeks. So they're going to be in Columbus, Ohio, July 13 through 19, and then up to Minneapolis for the 3M. I guess one of the other noteworthy things that I want to talk about is the PGA Championship, which is scheduled to be held the first week in August out in California at Harding Park. And so the governor of California has said in no uncertain terms that he's not signing off on crowds and gatherings and things like that.
So there is a contingency plan for the first major to be played without spectators on August 9, but that's a long way off. Hopefully there will be some things that are going to happen between now and then that are going to significantly make this easier and better and safer for us all. So I keep washing my hands.
There's very little skin left on my hands. I'm trying to do as much as I can to follow these rules. And I hope you are too. And I hope you're keeping your family safe and healthy. And we've got to stay through this, stay true to this through a little bit longer time to make sure that we save as many people as we can.
Well, that's going to wrap up the On the Range segment. Don't go anywhere because I've got this interview with Dan Mason coming back on the front nine. This is Golf with Jay Delsey.
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That'll really be fun. Alright, we are going to Dan Mason's interview. Dan has done stuff for ESPN. He writes. He writes about the majors. He's been involved in all sorts of different sports. He lives down in Raleigh, North Carolina.
So I hope you enjoy this interview. Yeah, so here in Raleigh, North Carolina. Been here for 27 years. Been involved in sports broadcasting in one way, shape or form for the last 35 years.
Going back to when I was a teenager actually. I've been fortunate to keep my hand in the game. Anything from doing play-by-play college basketball and football. Hosting Carolina Hurricanes NHL pre and post game hockey. Had a show here in Raleigh for some time on ESPN radio. But the last couple years been working with a really cool website called sportsbroadcastjournal.com. Been doing some work with them writing long form articles on anything and everything sports broadcast journalism. It's a fascinating website for those who are interested in the behind the scenes part of the business and we're kind of seeing what your favorite sports personalities and who they are and what kind of makes them tick. I've done a lot of interviews of anybody you can imagine in the sports world. Concentrated some things in the golf world, as you know, the last couple years. I do a lot of grading of the majors. I want to talk about how the majors are presented by the broadcast networks. What they've done well, what they haven't done so well. Grade the personalities on how they did.
Try to be fairer as can be, absolutely. Because that's what the reader wants to know. They want to know what's the good, the bad, the indifferent. And for some reason the nut wants at a high level picked up on some of the work I've done. And there's been a lot of inquiries, I can tell you that. Some positive, some not so positive, but they seem to be reading.
So I guess that's always a good thing. Well, I'm so fortunate to have you on. So let's talk a little bit about this world we live in. You talked about the broadcast journalism.
I am so tired. Dan, when I turn the news and I don't do it anymore, watching the news, I feel like I'm being dictated to. I feel like we've lost the art of reporting what's going on.
And we're in this odd time in America where these organizations are creating news and following the story for as long as they can keep it up. So Jay, the most overused word today in American journalism is the word narrative. I hate it.
It drives me crazy, that word. Everybody talks about, well, I'm going to talk about what the narrative is today and the narrative is tomorrow. See, we didn't grow up like that. We grew up with, put the news on at 6.30.
Or maybe if you're in the Midwest, I guess 5.30. But put the news on. And I want to understand the facts. Tell me the storylines.
I want to know what happened, how it happened. Let me form my opinions. We live in a world now, essentially, we live in a sound blank world.
And if I listen to the news, whether it's just general news or sports, we live in a sound blank world. Everybody wants to get in their opinion. We live in a world of panels.
It doesn't matter which side you lean to these days. We're in a world of panels. So you kind of know what that panel is going to say. So what's driving my opinion? Well, it could be a bunch of different things. But at the end of the day, I would much prefer the facts.
Give me the facts. That's what I try to do in my writing. I really try to understand the subjects that I'm dealing with.
I try to go behind the scenes of them quite a bit to understand what drives them. And that, to me, is what journalism should be about. Not so much what my particular opinion is.
You can ask me questions all day long. But at the end of the day, I'd better start forming my opinions through some facts. Right, Dan. And so it's so interesting in the world of golf because you have a score. And there's a hell of a lot of different ways to shoot 72, as we both know. But your score speaks volumes.
And if I shot 70 and you shot 69, you win. And those are the facts. And man, it's hard to sort your way through a network televised news story or a newscast. Jay, the best part of Super Bowl week for me, it went overlooked by a lot of people. I don't know if you saw this, but the Super Bowl. Who gets introduced out there? They're introducing all these past grunts and they're introducing the top 100 that the NFL chose this year. And of course, one of the top 100 as a coach was Bill Belichick. And Bill Belichick gets introduced. Remember what he did? He got booed, of course, because that's what happens when you're Bill Belichick. He gets introduced. Bill Belichick, greatest coach, one of the great coaches of all time. What did Bill Belichick do when he got booed in the stadium?
All he did was put up his fingers and he had all his Super Bowl rings on. He basically was saying scoreboard. Right. You and I have had some really lively, fun discussions about US Opens, about the USGA. Let's jump into this Premier World Tour concept. Give me your thoughts on that.
I'd love to share mine with you as well. Thanks. This Premier World Tour that's popped up recently with just a ton of money on the line for basically being put out there to say we can take you in as an alternative to the PGA Tour. So start considering this. Of course, we had Bill Nicholson meet with some of the head honkers recently while he was overseas because a lot of his money is coming out from overseas, I believe, out of Saudi Arabia. At the end of the day, I personally don't believe this thing will get itself off the ground for a variety of reasons, but ultimately, because of the world that I tend to live in, which is it'll all come back to television.
The PGA Tour, which has had such a rich and long history with the television networks, has been just a really good partner for the national television networks, whether it's CBS, NBC, ESPN, the Golf Channel for sure. These are deep-seated connections that have been out there for a lot of years. The money's only going to grow. I'm sure we'll get into this today, but because of another iteration of Tiger here coming off of the health scares that he's had, the purses are only going to grow. I don't think that this will have a long-term chance of getting off the ground. I'm with you. It reminds me of 20, 25 years ago when Greg Norman and Rupert Murdoch tried to put together this world tour concept where Greg had a vendetta against Tim Fincham.
We all know that story, and it's old news. What's interesting is what came out of that was the creation of the World Golf Championships. It's a double-edged sword as well. There's a lot of good and probably more good than bad, but let's talk about that a little bit, and then we'll jump into what might be created from this Premier World League. I think the WGCs, which essentially was the output from the Greg Norman, Tim Fincham days when they basically said he wanted to run his own world tour, but the WGCs have really filled a great purpose on the PGA Tour. I think it keeps the tour viewership, especially from a television standpoint, it keeps it very engaged because they are looked at as big events. People want to follow the events, obviously, where Tiger's playing in, but when you have the top 25, top 30, top 50 in the world all together under one roof, you're going to get an audience.
There's no question about it. And those WGCs with their larger purses, huge world ranking points, everything that goes along with them, I think serve a great purpose. But just as important though, just as important is the fact that these opposite field events that happen during the WGC weeks fill another void for those players that are left out of those events.
They're able to collect FedEx Cup points, they're able to collect big dollars towards the top 125. So it's just to me, it's been great on both ends, the WGCs. Alright, that's going to wrap up the Front 9.
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That's right, yeah. So Clint, tell us a little bit about why you're doing what you're doing. I know you're a Midwestern guy, I know you haven't been in the golf business your whole life, but I do know you love golf. Yeah, I've played golf since basically as long as I can remember and got to the point where I was kind of a scratch player. I've been in sales and management and things for the last couple of decades and had an opportunity to take over Sniper and did that for a few different reasons. One, it's kind of cool as a golfer to have your own company be in control of product development and testing out products and different things, but the second is with Sniper, and it's kind of intertwined with the logo and the brand and everything, we donate a percentage of all of our sales to military and first responder charities, and if it's an event or a large account or something along those lines and somebody would purchase from us, we can actually direct our donations to whatever charity somebody would want. And if it's just somebody who buys a simple ball marker or a dozen golf balls or something like that, we've got some other charities that we support on a continuing basis.
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We're halfway there. It's time for the Back Nine on Golf with Jay Delsing. The Back Nine is brought to you by St. Louis Bank. Welcome back to Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. I've got Pearly May here with me, and we are going to the rest of the Dan Mason interview. Dan is from Raleigh, North Carolina, writes about the majors and has been involved in sports and golf all his entire life, so I hope you enjoy the remainder of that interview. I was one of those players that benefited quite a bit from those opposite field events. I didn't get in any of those, and it was a great opportunity to go play, play for a hell of a lot of money, and to work on your game and to try to enhance your career.
One of the things that happened to me, Dan, when I was on tour, is I was on the Player Advisory Council for probably 18 of my 25 years, and these things kind of ran across this creation of these things, and we started trying to figure out the yays and nays. One of the things I said to Fincham at the time was, what are we going to do about access, because this is going to cause a real problem when a young guy from, say, Great Britain or from Ireland or from anywhere other than the U.S. gets invited to one of these tournaments, has a great finish, and because the purse is so high, is going to be granted immediate access to our tour without going through the system. Where a U.S. player that's been playing in college has no world ranking points and not even eligible for those events, and so it really didn't do any favors for the U.S. player. But at the end of the day, I still love the idea of the best players playing against one another.
I think so. I think that the tour has tried to put at least some policies in place not only to bring together the best players, but there is some insistence, from what I can see, that there is a requirement, obviously, of how many tour events that these guys have to play each year. Not only that, but playing different tour events from time to time as well is also a requirement for players these days. So when they're putting together their schedules, for example, you'll see occasionally the Tiger will have to key it up somewhere differently. You don't see it a ton, but I think we just went through that over the last few years. Jordan's speech was, you know, he missed the required number of events he was supposed to play, and then he worked out a deal with the tour where, okay, I'll end up playing this event next year.
So that can help as well. But I think that's the one thing that the PGA Tour has to be very conscientious of, especially with this condensed schedule that we have out there on the tour right now. Because we've got the majors coming up, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, and then before you know it, the season is over, and here we are, we're into the FedEx Cup season, and then, okay, we've got a few weeks off, and right away we're into the wraparound season, which I'm a big fan of, by the way. I just think that we have to be very conscientious of the tour overload, almost. And I think it's got to be a concern of players, especially with the Olympics these days being also thrown in there. There's a lot being thrown at these players, there's no question about it. Yeah, one of the things that's interesting, too, on the both positive and negative side, is with the increase, you know, with the advent of the World Golf Championships and the high purses, you know, all the other purses have also been raised as well.
That helps everyone. One of the other negative offshoots of that, Dan, was that it's created a tier system within the tour and the tournaments itself. So think of it this way, you have the four majors, and they're always going to be the biggest and the most relevant, and they should be. Then you have the players championship, which was, you know, always considered kind of the fifth major, so to speak, but never in that same class. You have the World Golf Championships, you have the FedEx Cup playoffs, you have, you know, Arnold's tournament, which is an invitational, Jack's tournament, Memorial's an invitational, and then you have our poor friends like Shell down at the Shell Houston Open, who has been a phenomenal partner of not only the PGA Tour, but the PGA of America when the two entities were won back in, you know, the 60s. And now they're kind of left as a looked at as a third tier event, which is really tough to fade to someone that's a that's living in Houston.
Yeah, it surely is. And, you know, we all remember the wonderful world of golf with Shell, and like you said, that's a great partner over the years. Now, one of their byproducts, unfortunately, casualties of the system, right, of the condensed PGA Tour schedule is exactly like you said, it's the Houston Opens of the world. Quite frankly, it's even the Florida Swing, to a certain degree, it gets the short end of the stick to a certain degree sometimes now, we know what happened to some of the tournaments there, and the fields that have been a little bit lacking from time to time. But you know what's interesting, where as much as it hurts some tournaments, there are other tournaments that maybe weren't as prominent, or hadn't been as prominent, now that have kind of moved up their fortunes a little bit. Just for example, here in North Carolina, one of the most important tournaments of the year has suddenly become the Wyndham.
The Wyndham is the last tournament before the FedEx Cup playoffs start. And that's the tournament that all the guys try to, you know, figure out their positioning if they're in the back end of the top 125. That's like that tournament. Sometimes you get some guys who haven't been playing so well in the top 30, and they want to, you know, maybe have their game a little bit more razor sharp, so they end up attracting a little bit better field.
So it kind of works both ways. But there are tournaments, especially, I think, with the condensed major schedule that have really, it's hurt them from a field standpoint. Yeah, there's only so much that you can play. And you know, and I think, you know, as we started the conversation on the Premier League, the Premier World Golf Tour, whatever they're going to call themselves, I think ideally, there's more good players around now.
And it's a good idea to give everybody a good, you know, a fair chance to compete. But damn, there's how do you do that when, you know, you're going to lose relevancy with, you know, everything that Tiger holds near and dear to his heart is all based on PGA Tour records. They're all about, you know, his whole existence thrives around the things that he's accomplished on the PGA Tour and what he's still trying to accomplish on the PGA Tour. Dan, I know that you just had a really cool interview with Brando Chamblee. I don't want you to spoil anything about your your interview that's going to come out.
But he's a really thoughtful, deep thinker, isn't he? Amazing. This is a guy that when we talked, you know, Randall and I talked, it was like two guys over a beer. And we talked for a north of an hour. And what was really neat about that conversation, and I can't wait for people to see the first part of this, which will be by the way, we're going to release it just before the WGC Mexico. And it'll be on sportsbroadcastjournal.com. And what's really neat about this particular interview, I think, you know, look, I understand that Brando gets asked a lot about the most common things, whether it's Tiger, Brooks Koepke, Patrick Reed these days, you know, with the controversy that just happened, you know, down at the Hero World Challenge of December.
I get that. And yes, there's a couple of those questions that people will be able to see. But what I really wanted to do with this interview, is I want people to understand Randall, and what what really makes him tick, why he is who he is. Because to me, I think he's the most important analyst in the game of golf going today. I think he's the most important analyst in the game of golf going today. Wow, wow, I had Randall on the show, Brent, and I've known each other since we've been 15 years old.
And we did I did a similar story last year, with just trying to get to let people take a glimpse in and see how well ready is how, how seriously he takes his job. He is not. I mean, he is. He just simply grinds.
Yeah, yeah. This is a guy who, you know, what, like most of us, right? I mean, you have to go back to his childhood to understand what made him become who he is.
I think you would know better. I mean, but he was my senses is that look at Randall had a pretty good career on tour. He had many years inside the top 100. From a money making standpoint, it was unfortunate why he left a terrible family tragedy that happened when he lost a young child. And I think he was a little lost out there on the road. And he talked about that a little bit with me. But I think more importantly, his way he forms opinions. If what happens with Randall, unfortunately, sometimes it's because his opinions are so strong. He's as polarizing as they come as we know in the game of golf. But I think you don't have to agree with everything he says certainly. But I think if you understood what gives him the basis for those opinions and how he forms his opinions.
Very, very well thought out, man. And I think, again, he's very important for the game of golf. Because, look, we've been talking all you know, the last several minutes about the challenges that golf faces, whether it's distance, whether it's other tours that are imposing, you know, their potential will on the current tours. Look, this is a guy who I think gives very, very sound and reasonable thought to where golf is as a game here in 2020. Yeah, no question about that.
Let's talk a little bit. Johnny Miller's out of the game retired had a great run, always not my favorite, but always the most popular lead analyst. Give me your take on Nick Faldo, Paul Azinger, and just kind of the the, I guess, well, you know, zinger crosses over from Fox and NBC.
So there's two networks. So there's really only, you know, he and Faldo and I think about the battles that those two had on the golf course. And the rivalries that they had were were kind of fun. It's interesting now that they're really the only two ultra lead analysts in the game. You know, I'll start with Faldo, if that's okay, because I think that I think Faldo, I think there's sometimes a little bit of hit or miss for me, when he's when he's in the power. I think there are times for example, during the Masters, he can be so good, because obviously he's one there. He knows that course, like, like not many others, understands the seriousness of it. But the one thing that Faldo has, and actually both analysts have it because there's, they both have credible play by play guys at the top. Isn't that the truth?
Wow, how important is that? I mean, yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, Jim Nance to me is the is the is the United States voice of golf, as far as I'm concerned, is is just, he's got a certain ability to make that audience just sit back, relax and enjoy your next few hours, because he does that with Faldo brings him along. Well, I do think Faldo from time to time, though, it's a little silly, a little bit too silly in the booth for me. And and it's, it's, it's okay, occasionally to have some fun.
It's still a game, got to be fun. But I would like from from time to time to for for Faldo to put on the serious voice a little bit more often. And quite frankly, he's a little bit more hesitant to put on that critical voice when when need be.
Now, I will say this, and I don't think it's a surprise to anybody. I think are advising. I think this guy I gotta stop you before we go on the zinc because I gotta ask you about Faldo because to me, he seems unprepared. I think Yeah, I think that's where the silliness comes from. Sometimes, Jay, I think that the there's an unpreparedness that he's just kind of there as sir Nick Faldo. And and you know, he can kind of you can take it or leave it if he's there. But like I said, there are some events such as the Masters, he's, he's ready to roll. And quite frankly, it's the Masters, you should be ready to go. But that unpreparedness shows that he's ready to go.
And I think for the educated viewer, or the golfer who was tuning in week in and week out, my sense is that they're that they pick up on that. I just wanted your take on that because I feel like you know, here's a guy when he played wasn't silly at all. I mean, he was absolutely all about business. He was a complete pain in the ass to play with.
It was like playing by yourself, except it took longer. He didn't talk. He had snide comments, just was just a complete pain in the ass. And then he gets in the booth. And I feel like most of his, he breaks down a swing. It's, it's very general.
I just wonder how engaged he really is. Well, and I think that's the, it's, it's come to me, it's more of a name in the booth rather than the efficiency in the booth. And I think, again, if I was grading Nick on his work over the years, it would be probably at best a C plus, you know, maybe B minus, but but again, a lot of that, you know, it's more of a name in the booth rather than the efficiency in the booth. If I was grading Nick on his work over the years, it would be probably at best a C plus, you know, maybe B minus but but again, a lot of that comes from I have to say, Jim Nance being that steady hand in the booth. You know, what do they say about they guess that the tide will lift the boat?
Well, guess what? Nance can can do an awful lot for a broadcast. Oh, man, I'll say. I'll say and then go ahead with your comments on zinger. Yeah, look, he is an analyst, just like he was a player.
Tough, gritty, not afraid to take a chance. We'll tell it like it is. You know, you talked about he's the word pain in the ass. I think he can. My guess is he he could be a bit of a pain in the ass in the booth, too.
But guess what? He is really prepared. There's no question in my mind. This guy is as prepared as they come as an analyst as any analyst that's out there today.
Yeah, no, I love it. I just did an interview with Paul and he's just so genuine. And you know that he really cares and gives a damn and it really shows me a damn. Yeah, I cannot believe I was gonna say if I if I may real quickly, I had a chance to talk with Paul, I had a chance to talk with Paul just before he went to the British last summer. And I'll tell you, this is this is a guy who was just coming off the US Open.
A lot of things going on, you know, US Open with Fox at that time that he had to get ready to prepare for the NBC booth. And boy, did he know that course last year, he knew what was ready to happen over there. And he is such a description to me.
I was so thoroughly impressed as how he was preparing for that British Open. I think he's a star for a long time in that booth. Yeah, I agree.
I think I my hat's really off to him. I could sit here and talk to you about this stuff forever. I so appreciate your time. Dan, tell all our listeners where they can find you where they can read your stuff where they can see this article that brandles coming out and tell you got it. Yeah.
You got it. Thanks, Jay. So the listeners can go to sports broadcast journal. That's all one word sports broadcast journal.com. And if you just want to learn a little bit about the sports broadcast industry and maybe see some really cool interviews, long form stuff with with people that are involved in the industry. There's some just great content on there. And we're so appreciative of having some time with you today, Jay, and now and all the things you're doing.
But sports broadcast journal.com. I think I think people really appreciate what's going on. Guys, that's my buddy Dan Mason. Dan, thanks so much for joining us. Jay, thank you.
And I hope you have a great rest of your week in St. Louis. Okay, that's gonna wrap up the interview with Dan Mason Pearl. One of the things that Dan did some did a really fascinating interview just a while back on brando shambly. And Dan has a different approach. He's been in sports his whole life and been involved with Carolina hurricane just, you know, all sorts of different sports radio and ESPN and things like that.
But he does he has a specific take on certain things that I thought was really interesting. And when we were talking about the distance, you know, what, what does that look like to you? And everybody's got their own, you know, the distance issue, meaning is the ball going too far? Is it making all these golf courses obsolete? And when I mentioned to him, why not make a hole shorter? Why not narrow it up where where the 320 yard drive goes and penalize the hell out of these players? Man, he he was talking about this old Donald Ross course that he belongs to Raleigh Country Club, and how they were doing it.
And he said, it's 7200 not 76 at 7200. This golf course is going to be it's going to be all you want. And so there's so many different ways to try to make the game interesting. But I feel like and I mentioned this to Dan, and he agreed, I feel like we're in this time where the entertainment factor is all based around birdies, and all based around 2500 and the pars.
Does it need to be? I mean, there's a reason I'm guessing they do that because apparently that's what they're they're thinking that people like I love it. I think a lot of the courses are doing now they've got that short hole in there. I think there's a lot of other ways to look at it. You and I have had this conversation through the years. It's just like when they used to do that what was called Stapleford program at in Denver, and they got away from it because the guys were kind of what you know is different.
They're whining a little bit. I like trying to change it up a little bit. But I think like a lot of times you change things up, you got to run it for several years so people can follow it and they know what the hell is going on. Right. And everybody's first instinct to you know, the change is the pushback, you know, and he had some interesting thoughts as well about the the USGA and kind of the you know, that we've talked about the coefficient of restitution.
That's really a fancy word for the trampoline effect on the face of your driver. But it's nice for him to come on the show. He's got a good fresh perspective.
And he's always looking to add just kind of a little different wave in it. That's important. Absolutely. Just like our show. What are you talking about? Yeah, for sure. We're we're different. Yeah, that's gonna wrap up the back nine.
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Great logo too. So I ran into this article really interesting article about tour players. I thought you'd love to hear it.
So I want to share this article with you about what PGA Tour pros think. Oh boy. Could you imagine. Could you imagine.
I got you. The first one was you get to pick anyone you want in a bar fight. A PGA Tour player in a bar fight. Hello. You can pick anyone you want. Hey who's that guy on tour. I know who I'm picking up from my generation. I think I got no one else.
I don't think you picked this guy. Who is the guy that actually was on the tour. I think he even won one tournament and his nickname was something about Frankie the blade.
Exactly. I'm picking Frankie the blade because when you're in a fight. Frank Licklider was his name and he actually. He pulled a knife on somebody. Yeah he got in a fight.
And if you're in a bar. I had a buddy once upon a time who talked about this. He would get in fights once in a while. He said he learned something real quick. He thought he was a tough guy. Until one night a guy pulled a knife and put it through his throat. He said you know I wasn't so tough anymore.
He said I got out of that game really quick because I'm going to lose that game. So you pick whoever you want. I want the guy with the knife. You're picking Frankie the blade. Alright so the group here picked.
22% picked the big E. Isn't that funny because you've told me this for a long time. He's not as mild mannered. He is a great guy but he is a big easy because his golf swing is so smooth and silky. He's been in a bar before. Let's just put it that way. But I will tell you I'll never forget this. We're in the fitness trailer in the late great Payne Stewart who had a needle for everybody he'd ever seen and met before.
Which is well known on the tour. There's a lot of needles out there. There's a lot of digging.
There's tons. We'll see how thick skinned you are. We'll just dig until we get to the bone. That's right. And he started giving it to Ian Woosman. Now Woosy is 5 foot 5. I was there.
Oh boy. And it got to the point where. How big is he?
5 foot 5. It got to the point where it wasn't funny anymore for one of those two. But now set it up a little bit. Woosy fought. Woosy is Scottish. And the Scottish people have something they refer to as the Scottish kiss.
And that is when you get headbutted by a Scotsman. And Woosy's done that before. And this kind of banter was going back and forth just a little longer than Woosy was comfortable with. And he got right up to about mid chest Payne Stewart and said a few choice words to him. And this thing was diffused immediately. Because Payne wasn't going to take that on.
Have you ever seen Payne moonwalk? He backed right off. Well smart man because Woosy knew how to fight. He was a boxer of some renown. I don't know about some renown but he wasn't afraid. And he had a lot of.
He used all the resources that would come his way. There were some other interesting kind of. I thought that was really interesting. First of all a tour player in a bar fight. Really? Yeah normally a tour player is going to be savvy enough to talk about a big bar fight.
Grab the prettiest girl and leave. That's what I would have thought of trying to do something like that. Did I ever tell you about the bar fight I was in? What?
Yeah. What was the guys first. I've seen you drop money in a bar fight. I've seen you slip and fall in a bar. I've seen you do a lot of things in a bar fight.
I wasn't in a bar fight you just saw me drop money and slip and fall. Correct correct. This one I was actually.
What was the guys name. Gosh dang it. Are we in college? We're in college. I'm at a buddy of mine Kevin's.
Well there you go. Bachelor party. Oh so you're in Detroit?
Birmingham Michigan. Yep. We're in there. Of course Kevin's eight sheets to the wind.
Calls me to the front door. He said hey these guys are giving me a hard time. This one guy Utley played lineman for the Lions and he was on crutches. Remember that guy? Was he the guy that got paralyzed for a minute?
Yeah I'm sorry I can't remember his first name. But we get up there and so I'm trying to diffuse the situation. Next thing I know one of Utley's little buddies does something and I do something. The next thing you know I'm in the air going up against the wall.
Utley dropped those crutches took about three steps to me in about a quarter of a second. The next thing I know I'm airborne. And the only thing that saved me because he's on top of me but there was a table between me and him and he couldn't quite get me. And I'm like trying to stay under this table. I'm like oh my God get me out of here he's going to kill me. Did somebody pick you up and throw you?
Utley did. Picked me up and threw me. From a sitting position? No I was standing we were at the front door. No not you was he sitting?
No he was on crutches coming in with his bunnies. Oh so he just kind of flinged you with one hand? Yeah it wasn't much but it was much to me it didn't take much energy from him but that was a scary time. I can remember the next morning going like you know I feel so I'm embarrassed I should have taken a swing at him. My buddy says he would have killed you. The only smart thing you did was not take a swing at him. Yeah and you know the weird thing is I mean I know you didn't play on tour but you're also not listed here as anyone that would take you in a bar fight so I think they're all pretty smart.
That's great. Do you know who they said was the funniest? Do you know who they said was the funniest guy on tour? Who's the funniest golfer on tour? They did not say Peter Jacobson because I think that's more generational. Yeah the local guy.
Perez? No they said Tim Heron. But Tim's more of our generation too but Tim is a funny guy. Is he funny?
Yeah he's a funny dude. Alright so a lot of this stuff centered around Tiger. What percentage do you think the PGA Tour players said that Tiger would win a major in 2020? Ten percent. Sixty. They know. They've counted about too many times. They know something.
And there's another funny question. Will Tiger be competitive at the Masters until he's 60? And they said if he wants to. Absolutely. Yeah so if Tiger has an 8-footer to win the Masters.
He wins. What percentage of Tour players say that he makes this 8-footer? Ninety-two.
One hundred. We're getting a glimpse of what the Tour players think of this guy's game especially after winning. They did kind of a funny one that said will Rory ever win Augusta?
And they said yeah if you guys will leave him alone and quit asking about it. Yeah for sure. So best player of all time. Oh man. Tiger.
70-30. The one thing that we talked about this time and time again. If he doesn't have this hell. I don't know what else to call it. Karma. You can call it whatever you want. He blows.
He obliterates John. Every record that's ever been. I remember at least our lifetimes forever. I was reminded of an interview Curtis Strange did of Tiger back. I reminded you of that. Twenty years ago.
That's right you sent it to me. One of my favorites because in there he talks about his burning desire to win and it's all about winning and all this. And Curtis shrugs him off. A couple times.
A couple times. You'll learn. And what is the commentator that's watching the interview that he is? He goes well it's Curtis that had to learn. Yeah. Yeah. And without that ten years of hell for Tiger or six years whatever it really really truly was.
Every single meaningful record on the PGA Tour is his. I think that interview was so much fun. That's why I sent it to you. And it's one of the things that we're getting to see because of all the stoppage of sports and stuff with all the challenge going on in the country right now. But that was just something fun to resurface. And you know what? I like Curtis.
I respect what he's done through his career. But it was so interesting because also if you remember it was kind of Curtis' group. Once upon a time we looked at this about fourteen guys kind of came on tour about the same time and they stayed there forever.
Curtis, Lanny, J, Kite, Crenshaw, etc. And they kind of felt we own a segment of this tour. Well guess what? They owned it up until about then. Until about 1996 when Tiger came on board.
Yep. And all of a sudden they started getting bumped off by guys like Tiger. Not just their numbers they couldn't play but bumped off the leaderboard, bumped off who got attention, etc. Oh my gosh and he was winning.
He had twenty tournaments in the Hopper in two and a half years or something crazy like that. I'm curious with your guys perspective. Do you think that Tiger Woods' story is better in the end if he never has that lapse of time and continues to demolish records?
Or is it better now that he had that break and then he comes back, did what he did here in St. Louis, wins the Masters? I'm going to say it's better the way that it is. We all want to rewrite history.
We can't. But everybody loves that underdog story. And the other thing is what we are seeing right now is a more human Tiger Woods. We are seeing an entirely different side to him. We may never have seen that side to your point. That's what I'm saying.
If he steamrolls this PGA Tour record book like he would have, where's the karma? And where's the reality? I love your point Jay because I think it is. At first I'm like, oh yeah he's a different guy, he's a different guy. You know what? He is a different guy. And it's been kind of fun and I think it's shown a lot and it's brought a lot more to the game.
And hopefully you can keep on playing. That's such a great question. We've got to let Meade ask questions once in a while. I turned his microphone on.
He went from hero to villain back to hero. And America loves that. I mean John Daly is one of the most popular players on tour, has been for over 30 years.
John's coming on the show too by the way. And the reason is America can relate so much to what he's doing and what he's done. It was hard though to watch and go through that piece. It was hard on the game, it was hard on him, it was sad for the family. In those ways I wish it never would have happened. But I get you Meade.
I think there's some pretty special things. Fortunately he rose. It would have been god awful if he never would have rose from that. Did you say Rosen? I don't point this stuff out when you make it. From now on I'll point him out. Meade, every time we hear a little stumble.
Is there like a ping? We need a dollar jar. Every time somebody stumbles a dollar goes in the jar.
You better get a bucket in front of Perlin. We need a sound effect to it or something like that. I do like that.
I think we should add that. Like a quarter. Like a quarter is going into a jar sound effect. So we can do a sound effect, I got you.
And that's going to wrap up another show. Perlin, we've got another one in the books. Thanks for joining me today. Thanks for having me. Meade, thanks for taking care of us. Thanks for doing what you do. Folks, thanks for listening. We'll be back here next week. This is Golf with Jay Delsing.
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