Golf With Jay Delsing - - Chris Kerber

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America. Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go On The Range with Jay Delsing.

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Okay. So, Pearl, this show, I want to thank Donahue Painting and Refinishing. They have done a really great job supporting us. We appreciate them. Bob and Kathy, if you need anything done on your house, high quality work. And all insured workers, they do a great job.

So give those guys a call. We've got a cool interview with Chris Kerber. Chris Kerber is the voice of the radio voice of the St. Louis Blues, a really thoughtful, cool human being and a friend. And so I think you're going to enjoy that.

He did one of the, what I will say is one of the kindest, coolest things in all of sports in the last 20 years. And so we're going to talk a little bit about that. I also wanted to, Pearl, we had Ted Scott on a while back and he was talking about, because he's a caddy for Bubba Watson.

Great guy, great guy to follow on social media and fun guy to interview. But he was talking about the difficulty in reading greens. You and I started that conversation and then we didn't follow up. This is way between the lines. This very, very seldom ever gets talked to or talked about. And let's talk about, let's start today's show with that. Because when we both know when we were kids and there were, there was do on the greens and you'd sit there and start hitting putts and you'd have one go in from a real high line and the other would be hit a little harder and not break as much. There's so many different ways, Pearl, to hold putts. And when you're trying to interpret all that, plus you don't have a club in your hand. I mean, talk about that difficulty. Well, first of all, when I would caddy for you, that was clearly the hardest part. Because if you're rolling, you're not going to ask me anyway.

You're just feeling and you're going to go. If you're not rolling, then you're going to ask me. There's a little stress involved when you're not rolling anyway. Then I would sit there. You know, sometimes if you're not rolling it the way you want to roll it, meaning you've got a little cut going or a little something, something going on there.

Then it's tough to read that bad boy. I can remember when you told me when Cory Pavan caddied for you and he reads that there's always a cut. It's just kind of second nature. Always. Billy Mayfair is the same thing, but it's like other friends that we've had.

When you've looked at something long enough, you can convince your brain that it rolls straight or whatever. Let me interrupt you real quick. Pavan caddied for me at the qualifying school down in Orlando at Panther Creek. What's that called? Orange County National or something? Yeah, something like that.

Yep. Anyway, we're close. It was in Florida.

It was in Florida. Yeah, it's closer. You're coming down the stretch and I need a birdie or two to get my card.

All right. I stuff one in on 16. Had a really difficult hole location. So I was about eight feet above the hole.

The greens were probably thirteens and fourteens. And he comes in and goes, I think it's a ball outside left. And then he just, you know how he is, just left. And I'm like, whoa, this ball is going to break at least a foot. So I hit it out there.

Oh, man, I hit it out there probably 10 inches, 11 inches, and it just slips out on the low side. And he looks like it broke a little more. And I'm thinking, I got two more holes left.

I don't need to have this discussion right now. But I'm like, he's got no clue. Well, it's his eye. He's one of the better putters ever on the tour. I know what you mean.

But that's the difficulty of caddying for somebody. And you also say a ball out, he might play a foot out and not even know because of the way he... Remember, we had another teammate, Tom Pernice, who still plays the senior tour. And Tom would swear to you that he just hit a straight shot.

This ball would be hooking somewhere between 12 and 15 yards. No question. And that was his cut. And that was my cut. That's right.

He would sit there and have an argument with you. No, that ball fell to the right. And we're like, Tom, it drew 15 yards. No doubt.

But it's just when you get your perspective on it, it gets weird. So, Pearl, fast forward and make a par on 17, come down to 18. It's a par 5. I hit a really good drive. I'm setting the fairway. I can get there with a 3-1. I miss the green a little bit to the right and hit a nice little pitch down there. And I got about a 4-footer.

And this is to get my card. And I had no idea. And Pippen said, I go, I don't get... Don't. Don't tell me.

Don't tell me. And I knocked it in and got my card. But he's like, way to go. And I'm like, thanks. And we were having a beer afterwards.

I'm like, dude, that read you gave me on 16, I'm like... The ball out, I would have had to get my wedge out and chip at a ball out and it still would have broke. Yeah, Corey just played. You know, everybody plays a little bit different in different fields than what you see. And so anyway... Ted Scott was great.

I think that's so important. And I think I had Joe LaCava on. And he talked about that. The Tiger asked him on that read at 16 last year when he won the Masters.

It was a 3-foot putt pearl for birdie. Straight uphill. Maybe left center. And he calls Joe in. And you know what Joe says to him?

What the hell are you talking about? It's left center. Go knock it in the hole.

But you know, you get those moments as a golfer where you're just... you need some reassurance. And that's what it is. That's what it is.

And again, any time you would say anything that had any sense of positive or confidence to it... You know, what do you think, Jon? Left edge? I would say absolutely.

If you said I have no idea or I'm not sure if it's left edge, then I would take a better read or a different read. But it didn't really matter what it was. It's what you thought it was. Exactly.

I just want you to have confidence in what you think it is. How good was Ted's... when he talked about getting for Azinger. And Azinger needed to birdie the last hole at the TPC at Boston to make the cut. He had a lousy drive and kind of put his ball out in the front. Azinger was never a great putter consistently. He had moments when he was... you don't win 12 times without being a great putter. But he'll tell you he struggled with his putter from now and again.

And he had it maybe 5 yards off the front edge of the green on 9, the flag sticks right in the front. Most simple up and in. But he needs an in. Up and in doesn't make the cut. And he says to Ted, this fringe is so smooth.

I think I... you know, what do you think I should do? I mean, I could easily putt it. And Ted says, if I'm playing, I would putt it. But you're one of the best chippers in the world, if not the best. And I would chip it. And Paul chipped it and hold it. And he said to Ted at the time, that's one of the greatest things anyone's ever said to me.

Well, if the ball lips out, he doesn't even remember what Ted says to him. You know what I mean? That's how we are. And we've told that story about us in Reno and the course management conversation we had that worked out so great because I did everything you said.

And we got what you thought I'd get and was about 2 or 3 lower than I would have got if I'd have played it the way I wanted to. Maybe. Yeah.

Maybe more. So that's a special thing. The other thing, Jon, why I brought this up is that we've just had, you know, these live TV shows on with the match and the tailor-made driving relief. No caddies.

And we saw a lot of missed putts. The other thing, let's remember, too, when you get the... whatever that putting machine is... Perf? Perfee from Dave Pels?

What's it called? Perfee? Perfee, yeah, because it's supposedly the perfect dynamically designed machine to hit the ball perfectly. So, you know, there's just enough imperfection.

Now, greens nowadays in a lot of places are really, really good. But even machines from, I don't know what it is, 10 or 12 feet, you know, miss once in a while. So that's part of the other feel to the whole thing is what little tiny bounce you're going to get and some stuff like that.

So there's a lot that goes into it. And to me, it was always with you, you know, having a flow, having a level of confidence, you know, that shooter's mentality. And to me, it was more about getting the player into that mindset than any specific putt. If you're not making putts, you ain't going to make any putts.

And if you're making them, you could get up there and just miss the daylights out of it. That thing seems to go in the hole anyway. I remember watching David Duvall when he shot 59 in the desert that time. He Willy Whip cut that putt on the last hole that he needed to make 59. And it goes just dead center in the hole. He knew it was going in the hole. It didn't matter what he did.

Give him a broom. He was going to brush that thing in. Pearl, I shot 61 one year Sunday at Memphis. And I'll never forget standing over the ball and can't wait to hit it. Because it was like, you know, I remember having about a four-footer for par on the very last hole. And it was like, as I remember it, my hand was in the hole before the ball got in the hole.

I just had the hole look like a bucket. I think the funniest one ever was actually when Blaine McAllister won his tournament. Yes, it's a BC Open. I think between his routine and the actual process of walking up to it and hitting it, like you said, I think his hand was in the hole waiting for the ball to get in there. It was. It was almost like he hit the – by the time Blaine – you should – folks, Google this or YouTube it.

It's fantastic. Because it almost looked like he had one hand on the putter and the other hand reaching for the hole. And it was, what, about a four or five-footer. And that was kind of back in his heavy Bob Rotella days. And so I'm sure he had the whole mental thing going.

Oh, there's no doubt. And Blaine, who's a great guy, couldn't find the water's edge from the beach with a right-handed putting stroke. I've never seen a guy hit the ball so well. He was leaving two-foot putts short.

It was – That's the point. When it's going good, it's like you're putting into a barrel. And when it's going bad, it's like there's not a hole there.

It's like a beach – I used to tell people this is like a beach ball trying to go into a thimble. I was watching when I had – oh, gosh. She was number one in the world at the time at the Lancaster Country Club for the Women. Oh, man. I can't think of her name. Okay. Keep going. Anyway, she is striping it and can't get it in the hole. And Greg Norman was doing our broadcasting and chief analysis at the time. This was our first year.

I think it might have been MB Park or something. Anyway, she gets in the last hole and she just stuffs it in there about four feet, but it's downhill. And they're thinking – Greg's thinking this thing, she's going to make this.

She's world number one. And I'm thinking, yeah, no. They didn't call me in, so I didn't get the – But I'm thinking beach ball, no thimble. This thing's going to get close, but it's not going in. And she didn't make it.

It didn't, yeah. It's tough. That's a tough mental game.

Yeah, it really is. But those things are what – you know, most people think about Cadyen as reading a yardage book and that sort of stuff. What the Cady says to us and the timing of it. And the last part of this, and we've talked about this before, and you are the best at it by far, how you say it. How you say it. I used to have a caddy that would say something positive to me and it sounded like he was going to prison.

He was scared to death and didn't know – And I'm like – and I was like, man, you can't say that to me like that. It doesn't sound like you have the slightest bit of confidence in this working. You can't do the negative thing at all if you're a caddy. I mean, you have to be realistic, right?

You have to be a little careful there because you have to be trusted. But to go negative or to go low energy is such a death nail because there's a whole lot of playing going on yet. And as you and I would talk all the time, this week has a lot to do with next week a lot of times too.

So we're trying to maintain a certain level of quality, of energy, of positive, of professionalism, of the whole thing. And every once in a while, you'll see Cady and Player get a little negative or get on each other a little bit. Wow, is it tough at that point.

It really is. And we've experienced that. I can remember one Sunday coming down the stretch at Reno, Tahoe. And I had – I shot – I shot the low round of the day on Saturday and got myself into one or two of the last groups. And I had a struggle bus on Sunday.

Every single thing we did, I did was not good. And then I hit my – was it the second shot or third shot in the 17? And I literally had – you couldn't get a golf ball close to this hole.

It needed to be airdropped out of the blimp. It was so brutal. And I said to you – And the TV camera was on and I'm thinking, this is brutal. Oh, yeah.

Oh, it is. And I'm thinking, John, I've got my putter and the only way is a miracle, a miracle. This thing needs to be kicked. You need to kick it and let nobody see it.

The only way I can get it within – And you said – and it needs to spew glue on it. I said to you, you looked at me and we were slap happy pissed off out of it at the time. And you said, what are you going to do on this? And I said – I remember starting to laugh at about halfway through because I was trying to keep a straight face. And I said, I'm going to put this thing up to the top of this ridge and then right about when it crests the ridge, it's going to start spewing glue so that by the time it gets near the hole, it will stay somewhere within 10 feet. And it didn't. It didn't. No, we didn't. When I was holding the pin, I'm laughing so hard.

I'm looking down and I know the pin's shaking because I'm laughing so hard. And here's tens of – at this point, tens of thousands of dollars on the line because hundreds of thousands were gone about the front nine. Yep, we killed hundreds of thousands of hours earlier. Another classic. To your credit, you burned it last hole. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, I do. We hopped on a charter flight that night, went up to Canada and you had a top 10 finish and won maybe your best check of the year. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that was fun. That was really fun. That's going to wrap up the On the Range segment.

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This is The Leading Edge segment, one of my favorite segments of the show. And I've got my long-time buddy Scott Putnam with me. Putt, thanks so much for joining me today. Appreciate it, Jay.

Anytime. So Putt, you've got this really cool idea that you've been pursuing called the one easy swing method in the one easy swing golf school. Tell us about it. Tell the folks, give us a little bit of background from your St. Louis golf days here.

Sure. Well, I started out as a PGA apprentice back in 1999. And I didn't get into golfing professionally or enthusiastically until I was 41. So that's kind of a late start for a lot of people, but I've been doing it ever since. And I've been trying to get an easy way, that's why I call it the one easy swing, to let people enjoy the golf game and make life better for them on the golf course. Yeah.

And I mean, we are all, I am a huge supporter of the game as you are, and we do try to do so much to try to grow this game. So tell us a little bit about, first of all, where are you doing these golf schools and giving lessons? I'm out at the Wentzville driving range that's out by Golf Club of Wentzville on Hepperman Road in Wentzville, Missouri. Yeah, that's fantastic. And the Golf Club of Wentzville is one of the courses at the Whitmore Caché courses that you get if you join out there, and they're a huge supporter of the show. Okay, so, but this is the big thing.

Why did you do this? And talk a little bit about the one easy swing method so folks can understand what this is all about. Sure. Thanks, Jake. The one easy swing method is, encapsulates what I'm trying to do is give you, the golfer of any level, an easy swing that you can navigate any golf course. I don't care if you're playing Pebble Beach or if you're playing Pheasant Run out in O'Fallon. You can take the swing from your right hip to your left hip and hit the ball probably as well, or better than you do trying to go all the way to the top. Because we all see it when we get people to the top, they get the reverse C or they get their spine all out of alignment and things start to go wrong. They lay off the club, they cross over, they do things that are counter to getting the ball to go on a good trajectory and a good aiming point. So what I do is I teach you the swing from the right hip to the left hip. And in doing that, I give you the ability to hit the ball 40 yards before you try to hit it 140 yards.

Because if you're hitting it 140 yards and you're scattering it all over the golf course, you're out there not having fun, you're losing golf balls, you're getting frustrated, and you want to throw your clubs in the nearest lake. So I use a couple of different methods. I use a three ball method and I call it the 25, 50, 75. And I want you to hit the ball 25%, 50%, and 75% of what you normally would do. But I want the ball to be on the exact path that you need it to be every time.

The only thing that's going to change is your distance. So you hit a 25% shot, you hit a 50% shot, you hit a 75% shot, and you hit everything online. And as you'll see as we go through this process, and a lot of times it happens in the first lesson and a lot of times it happens in the second or third. As you do this and you practice this, your ball striking becomes much better, your distance improves greatly because you're getting centeredness of contact with the club and the ball, which we all know is the main thing to cut down side spin and to make the ball go where it's supposed to. So using that easy swing method, I want to get people to where they are back into the golf courses, enjoying the game, growing the game, playing with their friends, playing at the club, and not being embarrassed or worried about how they're going to play. Because you know that you're going to go out there now and you're going to have the ability to play the golf course. And if I can expand on that, the way to play the golf course is by cutting the golf courses in segments.

A lot of teachers will do different things on course management. So my biggest thing is, even par threes, par fours, you get a 340-yard par four, cut it in half, hit two shots well at 170, you're on the green and you're near the green, you chip up, you putt, you make your par, you make your bogey, whatever happens, you're not hitting doubles, triples, quads, you're not getting snowmen on your golf cart anymore. And even on par fives, we cut them into threes. So you got a 500-yard par five, you cut it in three, and you get there in regulation, and then you chip and putt. And you're going to feel better about yourself, you're going to feel better about your golf game, and you're going to have a ton more fun than scattering it all over the golf course. This is Scott Putnam, he's using the one easy swing method, and he's got golf schools out in Westville, and he's going to simplify things and increase your golf enjoyment.

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Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. Pearly's with me.

Brad Barnes is taking care of the buttons and pushing and pulling over there. And we're going to the front nine, which is brought to you by the Ascension Charity Classic. I can't wait for that. That is at the rate that the MLB is going. That might be the only sporting event in St. Louis this year. Let's bring it on, then. Are you going to have a bird's nest at this event like they do down in Phoenix?

Oh, I don't know. This would be a good time for it. It would. It would. It would probably surpass all the golf, that is for sure. Well, it does down in Phoenix.

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You can find them at whitmoregolf.com. All right, Chris Kerber, radio voice of the blues, great guy, and I got an interview with him. So folks, check out Kerbs. Man, you have been a popular guy these last six, eight months, man. The blues, I know we've talked about this a little off the air. I never, I just thought we were never going to hoist the cup in this town, Kerbs. I thought we were just going to kind of be like the Cubs until I died, and I am so thrilled and so excited.

And what a run last year. It was such a cool moment for everybody, wasn't it? I mean, teams have won championships, but wow did this one just seem to absolutely connect with the heart and soul of the city, whether it was all the years of heartbreak, of playoff hopes just never being realized, whether it was just the Cinderella aspects story of last season in and of itself if you just started with that. But, you know, and whether it's talking to Red Berenson, who was an original St. Louis Blue, and the pride that he felt when the Blues won the Stanley Cup, going all the way through to, you know, a player like Ryan O'Reilly who won it with the team in his very first season last year as a member of the Blues. There's just an amazing connection. And how cool is it, Jay, that when the championship ring was designed, and Chris Zimmerman from the Blues' team standpoint, the president of the team, was one of the ones behind this plan, there's actually fans depicted on the championship ring. It's the first championship ring that actually depicts fans on it. And I think that's really cool.

And they did that because it showed the connection between this franchise and its fan base. And it just resonates with everybody. So I love the fact that the Blues winning it just felt so deeply personal to so many people.

Absolutely. We're going to do this interview completely backwards, and it's a golf show, and I don't really know how to interview anybody anyways, but we probably should have started a bunch of early part of your career, but we just jumped right into the icing on top of a cake that is going to keep going. But please tell our listeners about the Musel Award that you won and the reason why you won that award. This is one of the coolest things in all of sports, what you did for John Kelly. You know, well, first off, very humbling to have been called by the St. Louis Sports Commission, and they told me that they were going to give me a Musel Award. And it's an award that they put together. I mean, really one of the most positive feel-good shows that I think anyone can watch in sports. And it's just about sportsmanship. And what happened was, you know, as the playoffs go along in hockey, your local TV broadcasters only do some of the games in the first round.

National takes over in rounds two, three, and four. And even a few years back in 2016, this would have happened had the Blues made it to the Stanley Cup final and beaten San Jose in that series. Obviously, they did. But we just felt that he should – I just felt that if we're doing this, those guys who do everything that a radio guy does in terms of the amount of time, commitment, support of the team, promotion, whatever it may be, those guys are now on the sidelines. And if there was a chance to share the experience of calling Stanley Cup final games with them, we wanted to do it. And so, you know, I went to John Kelly after the Blues won over the San Jose Sharks and said, listen, you're going to do the second period of every Stanley Cup final game. And his response to me was, no, that's your job. I'm not going to do it.

And I said, I'm not giving you a choice. Then, you know, at the same function, I pulled John and his awesome wife, Jennifer. And he had one of his daughters there.

And then his son, Patrick, his other daughter was away at school. And I kind of told him what we were doing and I told him why. And it was just a cool moment.

And you know what? Boy, I've been asked a lot of questions about it, Jay. And I didn't expect the story to be as big as it got even when it happened. But it's just one of those things that just felt like the right thing. And one of the coolest aspects for me going through that Stanley Cup run with this Blues team was just the experiences that, as a group, myself, Joe Vitale, Darren Pang, John Kelly, that we all had together throughout that run. And we'll do it all over again, to be honest with you, because it just felt like the right thing to do.

And I think it's really cool that those guys had a chance to work those games. Well, Kerbs, I think to me what resonates the most is that this came from an authentic place in you. And if there was any other sort of motive, we would have known. And I know you and I know that there isn't. And the fact that everybody else sees it just makes it really special. Yeah, you know what, Jay, I appreciate that.

No, there was no motive. I don't know. When you get up at the – I called my dad one time. We just had our second child. And I'm the second of nine kids. And so I'm up doing the feeding. And actually, our schedules worked out really well, because I was more of a night owl.

So I would take that kind of 11 o'clock feeding, which would allow Christy to sleep and whatever. And Gabby was crying, you know, I'm holding on. I called my dad. I said, geez, I got to tell you, how did you do nine of us?

I mean, I've only got the two. And he says, man, there was only 24 hours in the day. He goes, I gave you guys all the love I could give you, and then just tried harder the next day. And I've never forgotten that statement, and I've pretty much used that as my daily mantra ever since, you know. And if there's a way over the course of a day to just help somebody out, put a smile on somebody's face, or make somebody feel better, then go out of your way to do it.

And you know what? And sometimes it's as simple as just making sure you stand in the doorway and hold the door open because somebody was 10 feet behind you rather than just five. And it's as simple as that. And sometimes maybe it's bigger, as we're finding out through the – you know, what's going on with the pandemic. There's many different ways to impact things. But just do your best that you can for people. And in the end, it just – you're a better person for it, and it becomes not about you.

It becomes just about who you want to be as a person, and I think that's important. And Kerbs, so that's a cool transition to the way that you broadcast the game and the way that you see the game because that shines through in your broadcasting as well. You're not afraid to make a call that may be unpleasant for someone to listen to, but you're really just trying to report a story, aren't you, through the way that you see a game? Look, our job – first off, we call it – our job is broadcasting, but we're in the entertainment business. So people have to be entertained to want to listen to you.

So you've got to keep that part in mind. But the other part of it is I just believe, Jay, in being real. And I think those that know me well would know that the same way I am with you sitting at a bar at O.B. Clark's or the same way I am at a barbecue out in the backyard is the exact same way I approach things on the air.

There's no different radio voice versus inside the voice. I mean, I'm constantly reminded I'm not broadcasting when I'm here at home. I bet you are with those girls. I think you just learned that over time, when you go to the minor leagues and you have a chance to grow in the business, you just learn that you've got to be you. And I'll bet you experienced very much the same exact things. You became a better golfer when you figured out how Jay Delsing's supposed to be the golfer, not how this guy told Jay Delsing to be or how this guy played golf or this.

It's how you take all that input and those experiences and you made Jay Delsing the golfer. Then you've got confidence. Then you believe in what you're doing and you find success. And, you know, for me, I just look at it and call the game the way I see it and hope that you're being genuine enough, friendly enough, open enough, direct enough, entertaining enough that people believe in what you're saying. And that's why nobody has ever told me what I can and can't say on the air.

I think I would resist that mightily. And you do it that way so people, when they're listening to you, they feel they know you. Now, do they really know you?

No, most likely not. But they feel connected with you and that's an important part of the job. Yeah, that connection really shows with the chemistry that you and Joey have.

And, you know, our good buddy, Chaser, you guys did a really nice job as well. But there's something with you and Joey that Joey brings to the table that is really fresh, unusual and a lot of fun. Well, and you have to keep in mind part of that, you know, is directly related to Kelly Chase. You know, he and I were partners together for 18 seasons.

You know, I mean, that's it was a heck of a great run. And I learned I learned immense amounts of not only about life, the business of broadcasting from him and working with him as I did from anybody. And now, you know, then we made the adjustment and Joe came in last year to work the games and, you know, and the one thing you do, like I'm telling you, the one we never talked about how to broadcast. And we talked about, OK, don't talk over your partner and a couple of technical things like that. But I never said, hey, say this, don't say this, do this, don't do that, because he had to be able to find his own voice and he's finding it. And and having just fairly recently retired, he's got a slightly different view of kind of today's game. And I think that people can hear that and like when they when he talks about it.

Well, you know, Kerbs, I've had an opportunity to just kind of dip my toe in the broadcasting golf world and that chemistry that you allowing him by. And I know you're not the kind of guy that would try to control someone. But, you know, there's a lot of egos involved in this a lot of times. And you giving him the freedom to, you know, to to do what he wants to do and go where he wants to do.

It's really important. And that is not that doesn't happen in every situation. Well, you know, the thing is, James, you cannot. You can't be a broadcaster, in my opinion, and this is just my opinion here, but you can't be a broadcaster if you haven't found your own voice. And it's like we just talked about to find your own voice. You've got to be allowed to make some mistakes. And then you've got to take some criticism and you've got to take constructive criticism. You've got to take some coaching, too. And, you know, there is there is part of that that goes into it.

But you've just got to be made to feel comfortable. And and we didn't think that that he had that ability. Well, he never would have been hired for the job. So if and just like anybody else that hires anybody in business or a coach or anything like that. You know, if you micromanage and you go over top, then maybe you hired the wrong person. If you believe you've hired the right person, then just let them do the job.

That doesn't mean that that coaching isn't involved, but if you hire them for the right reasons, they're probably going to deliver exactly what you thought. And I think Joe Vitale has really been been excellent. It was awesome. I mean, he did at times. He has me laughing, you know, different things that that make him tick and that he uses his analogies.

I mean, don't get me laughing so hard. I can't even call the team sometimes. It's been a really good first day all year and a half, almost two years with him in the booth. OK, so that's going to do it for the first half of the Chris Kerber interview and the front nine. Jay and Jen are here. Come back. We'll wrap up the Kerber interview.

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Let's go just jump right back into this Chris Kerber interview. It's a lot of fun. I hope you're enjoying it.

Here's Chris Kerber. You do a lot of neat things. I know you're involved in the community.

The Behind the Bench program is awfully fun, especially with, you know, just the advent of hockey and such an uptick in this town is awfully fun. But talk about this evening book reading that you're doing. I follow you on Twitter and it's just fascinating.

And tell us where this came from and talk about that a little bit, please. Well, the pandemic hit, you know, and everybody was just forced to just kind of sit at home. And, you know, sports teams and leagues, everyone's playing classic games and they're playing highlights and doing all these things. And I literally just one night was sitting around thinking, man, think about the kids club, though. Like, what do you do for the kids club that all these different sports teams had? And so I've got three daughters and I saw some people give me a book and I go, let's just start reading kids books every night at eight o'clock at night on Twitter.

And I got to find a way to make sure that I kind of get it over to Facebook and some of the other social media channels as well. But that's what it was. It was really just that simple. And then there's been a response to it. And, you know, I don't worry, care about the number of views or retweets or replies because on a regular basis, you know, somebody sending you a picture of all my of their kid reading the same book. And again, it's just ways to connect and just being people.

And if, man, if we just look around and we're just being good people to somebody next to it, things are probably going to be fine. And so it's turned into something where every night during this pandemic at eight o'clock, just go on to Twitter and read a kid's book. And I do think at times it's a little eye opening when somebody replies like I'm watching and I don't even have kids. I think that's a little unique, but OK, so be it.

Maybe they like books read to them and we'll have some fun with it. You know, curves, I have four daughters. And so I keep trying.

You could you could catch me. But one of the things I listen to now that that's really important that you said that, OK, because for me, it's important to know people that have that have either their their their daughter, dads, meaning that they've only got daughters and don't have any sons or they've got four daughters like you because it's important for any dad of young girls to know that you can be successful and do it right for them. That's a very important thing that that needs that that that need reassuring of as you raise several daughters.

Curbs 100 percent. Look, I'm not going to talk about on the air what I know how to do, but I know how to do a lot more things than I ever dreamed I would before I started having children. That's for sure. Hey, at one point in time, I I could be taking a nap and one of the girls would come and go, can you help me change his Barbie doll? I got to the point I could change a Barbie doll with my eyes closed. Oh, yeah, that's no. I mean, it's it's amazing what you could do with a Barbie doll and some of those high heels.

They were a little tricky to get on sometimes. But, you know, I picked out the the evening read and just the topics that we've talked about because this to me all falls in line with a guy that you are. And I wanted people to kind of understand just a little bit different look about the sort of human being you are.

It's one of my favorite people. We connect on a on some really neat level. So this is a golf show. So give us your best golf story.

What do you what what do you what do you got for us in the world of golf? I know you guys get a chance to play occasionally on the road if you if you want to. Well, I got I mean, there's several of my I will say that we had a we had a hockey trip one time out to San Jose and we got out there a couple days early. So the team the team set it up and to this day, the player that ended up paying for it for me, never, never let themselves be known.

Somebody just said, you're coming and it's covered. We went out to play Pebble Beach. All right. And so we played I think we played Spanish Bay the first day that we got there and then the team was having the rookie dinner that night. And then we played then we played Pebble Beach the next morning.

OK, so I think this is my second year with the team. Right. And anyhow, so I get the room and we're staying at the lodges right there. But when I go up to my room and honest to God, Jake, I open the balcony door and I'm like 100 yards to the right is the green on the 18th green there.

Oh, I know. Is that right there in the second level one. And I've got this room all to myself and I go, what the heck is this? So I call the teacher said, hey, I got the wrong room. And he said, he goes, no, you got the right room.

I said, no, no, no. I got the wrong room. Call up Al McInnes.

Call up Chris Bronner. Tell him to change rooms with me. You know, but no way I don't belong in this room.

And so I guess he called another call back and said, nope, stay put. Okey dokey. So we go out, we play we play Spanish Bay. I shot a forty four on the front nine, which sounds really good until I tell you that I shot a sixty six on the back because I was I'm a lefty with it.

And I had it at the time. My slice is much more under control now, but I had a really bad slice. We play the backside there in the wind coming off the water.

It basically made every shot look like an absolutely curved banana. So Doug, which is Doug, we couldn't laugh harder at me when he heard that I went from a forty four to a sixty six from the front to the back. So then that night, Jason and I are having dinner. We're having dinner with a guy at the time that was a GM out there and the players are having their rookie dinner. And one of the at it in one of the bank of rooms there, one of the one of the staff comes over and interrupts the general manager.

I don't know. One of the players got sick and threw up right in the right right as he was leaving the building. And the GM doesn't skip a beat, looks right and goes, well, that's why I pay staff clean it up. I'm sure they're having a good time. And that was it. So the next day, Jason and I when we played Pebble Beach with them and what an amazing experience worth every moment. And I parred. And to me, this I parred the par three seven. So that's that that's the one hole that I'll sit there and say, hey, that's the one true golf story where I'll stand there, stick my chest. I'll go, yep, I parred that hole. I realized it was only a par three, but I parred that hole.

You brought pebble to its knees, in other words, on number seven. Well, listen, I'm not I absolutely love the game of golf. OK, now having three daughters at 15, 13 and and nine, you know, I don't play anywhere near as much as I want to. But I love playing. And the reason why is like if I was playing indoor soccer or basketball or hockey or any of those sports, I'm perfectly fine until I get bumped.

And then then it's sort of like this, you know, Bruce Banner and you know, and and and the Incredible Hulk, like all of a sudden I could be throwing shoulders and stuff. I get way too competitive golf. I fell in love with because I could compete against myself. My dad, when I got my first job out of college down in Birmingham, Alabama, my dad bought me a left handed set of clubs from grandpa pitches that I had for the longest time. You know, and I would go out and play. And then it was a group when I was in Springfield in the minor leagues, Massachusetts, a group called the NGBs and no good bastards. And this group had been playing together for years. And I'd go out and I'd play with them every Saturday morning.

And even when we go back to Massachusetts, now let's get together and play with those guys. And I absolutely love playing it. So it's something we're even now during the pandemic, I can take a club out in the backyard and just swing. And I find it actually to be very relaxing once I got past the idea of this. And it's true, like I just don't practice enough to let the game frustrate me. So if a shot goes bad, I don't see any reason to get mad at it because I know I don't practice enough to get that much better at it. So if I can go out there and on a regular basis, shoot around an 88, every now and then you'll get lucky, shoot better. I would love to be better.

I just don't have the time for the practice right now. So I feel like it's just respectable enough to go out there with just about anybody and have a good time on the course. Oh, that's fantastic.

Curves it. Man, getting a roll around the Monterey Peninsula, which happens to be my favorite area in the entire country, is really special. And staying at the Lodge, you were in some tall cotton out there. Oh, it was.

I mean, listen, it was an amazing experience. You know, there's different golf courses that cost different amount of money. And I told my buddies, I go, well, that's one. You pay the amount to go play and enjoy the experience and been fortunate enough. You know, we were able to get out on the road.

Obviously, as you know, when when you got there and paying pretty much you're talking hockey or golf or wine, one of those three things with them on any given day. And so we'll get out on the road from time to time and have a good time. And I truly just I love being out there.

I love the socialization aspect. Here's a fun one you'll enjoy. OK, so. So I'm left handed. I write right handed, but all my sports on left handed and more dominant left. So I'm a left handed golfer. Now, when I used to go out every now and then with one of my buddies before I had a set of clubs, his mom had a set of clubs. So I play right handed so I could play a little bit right handed, too.

But I really enjoy walking the courses when I can walk. So I go to I go to get a golf bag to to to carry the clubs. And you notice how, you know, when you carry the clubs on a shoulder, a lot of times if you're looking at if you're if you're looking at a bag, the pad that would bounce against your body is on the right side of the bag. Right.

Right. Because most people would carry it on their right shoulder. And and I'm like, well, I want to carry it on my left shoulder. So I, you know, so I'm like, I need a left handed golf bag.

And I started telling the people they started looking at me like you're like, I'm absolutely nuts. And I can't find one. And I mean, I couldn't find one.

Still drives me nuts to this day. You can go into a sporting goods store and you'll see, you know, maybe one little roll of left handed, you know, of golf, golf clubs for your right hand. Right. But you've got sixteen and a half aisles of ones for your left hand. So anyway, I need a left handed golf.

I couldn't find it. So I was doing a show on KTRS when I first got back into town and I went on the air and I said, OK, we got to find one. I said, I need a left handed golf bag. And I explained, I want the pad to be on, you know, the other side so I can carry the bag on my left shoulder.

And then the pad hits against your body. Guy calls me up. There was a golf score. It was a golf Zillow.

It doesn't exist anymore, but it was off of Manchester Road, just west of just west of Lindbergh. And he goes, I've got one. And it's a Suncoast bag. Also, it's been 20 years and I still use that bag because it's hard to find a left handed golf bag. Curves. I have thought I've heard everything in the world, in the realm of golf, but I've never heard the left handed golf bag story.

I've heard about left handed golf balls, but that's kind of like a snipe hunt. Hey Curves, I really appreciate you taking the time. I have so enjoyed spending it with you and keep doing your thing with the Blues.

We're all hoping and praying that, man, we can get this season in in some way, shape or form and defend this cup. Yeah, that would be great. Thanks for having me on, Jay. I love having you on the broadcast side, doing some radio interviews and stuff. So anytime you need something, let me know. You're a great man and such a great guy to be around. So keep the positivity flowing and we'll catch up real soon. That's going to wrap up the back nine and the Chris Kerber interview, but stay tuned.

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Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. Burleigh is with me. Brad Barnes is taking good care of us and we are going to the 19th hole. 19th hole, ready to roll. We've had some fun in the 19th holes in our days, Burleigh. Yeah, too much too often.

Too much too often, we can't hardly remember. Okay, so Chris Kerber. First of all, I got to say the fact that Chris Kerber is taking time out on Twitter in the evening and reading bedtime stories to younger folks.

That says so much to me about what sort of a human being he is. There's also another story, I don't know if you heard about this, but he's got three daughters. And one of his daughters was doing a soccer practice. She's still pretty young so I think they were using half the field. And for argument's sake, I mean there was a high school football practice going on over there.

Basically what this football team did is invaded their space and took them over. And just kind of basically kept pushing and pushing them out. And he said, no way. And didn't make a scene, this is not his style, called the people.

You know, I can't remember exactly where it was, I think it was some field in Kirkwood somewhere or something. And did it in a gentlemanly way but said this isn't right. These girls have every right to do it. And the school said you're 100% right and we're going to do that. So the fact that he gave up the microphone to John Kelly, and John's dad, the voice of the blues, iconic guy in the NHL. And got a Kelly to be able to call a Stanley Cup final. Well I'm not plugged into those stories like you are, but I specifically remember that from the Stanley Cup playoffs. That and how cool it was and that there was some discussion on it.

But you know Jay, whether it's with his daughter, whether it's with the John Kelly story, and my guess is there's 400 other stories. When you're a quality person, you're a quality person. And it's kind of how you roll.

It doesn't mean you don't stub your toe once in a while or something like that. But when you're quality, you're quality. And it comes across in how he does his work and it comes across in the community, etc.

So great story, I love when you have those kind of stories. Well when you talk to Kerbs, he'll say something, and maybe it's just me, but it's so well thought out. And when he calls a game, he's not looking to take shots at players. Look, he calls it as he sees it, he doesn't sugarcoat it, he doesn't underplay something.

But it's also, he's trying to really be a storyteller. And I really appreciate that, especially in a day and age where we are dictated to so much by the talking heads that are on the television and the radio stuff. And so I just really appreciated him and loved what he had to say.

Guys, another show in the books, Pearly. Meat, thanks so much for keeping us together, keeping us on time here. And folks, thanks so much for listening, we will be back next week. This is Golf with Jay Delsing.

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