Golf With Jay Delsing - - Brian Anderson

Jay Delsing spent 25 years on the PGA Tour and is a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America.

Now he provides his unique perspective as a golfer and network broadcaster. It's time to go on the range with Jay Delsing. On the Range is brought to you by the Gateway section of the PGA. Hey, good morning. This is golf with Jay Delsing.

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Are you ready? I'm ready. Great interview. with Brian Anderson. Really cool guy.

Does the play-by-play for the Milwaukee Brewers. He's done TNT, TBS. He's done college hoops, NCAA tournaments. But I thought it was cool because he's hosted the four. uh franchise pieces of the match.

First with just Tiger and Phil, then Tiger and Payton and Phil against Tom Brady, and then it was uh Phil and Charles against um Oh gosh. Uh The guard for the warriors. I'm Steph Curry. Steph Curry and his partner. Oh, I forgot about that too.

Anyway, we're close. And then he also hosted the match between Phil and Tom and Aaron Rodgers and Bryce and DiCambeau. And Aaron Rodgers whipped serious ass in that. But anyway, anyway.

So, Pearl. The Norwood Golf Course is absolutely Amazing. This tournament is going to be so fun. I can't wait to have a show. A couple weeks pass after the event, so we can recap and tell some stories, tell some fun things, tell some idiotic things that I did, you know, some of the fun things we laughed about.

It's going to be a blast. It absolutely is going to be a blast. And I'm glad you're ready. You're swinging good. You're pumped up.

The whole thing is just going to be a very, very fun weekend. I can't wait. I want to just toss this in, too. I thought it was cool a couple of weeks ago. We didn't talk about it, but Tony Final won the first leg of the playoffs up in New Jersey.

And he's one of those players, John. I just want to see win more because with just a smidge more confidence, look out. Unstoppable, maybe. Maybe. He is got.

He's such a great manager as him.

So if he can just get that next level of confidence, to your point, which you know what's coming because he's just got. He's been there too many times. It's going to happen. Yeah. All right, cool.

Let's talk a little bit about Brian Anderson. Let's tee this up for the people. One of the things that I loved about him is he played, he has a scholarship athlete and was a catcher at St. Mary's University in San Antonio, Texas. I love the guys that announced that he played a sport, even if it's not necessarily, you know, he's a golfer, loves the game and stuff.

But there's something about being thrown into that mix, John, that. Lends just a little more cred to me.

Well, for sure, totally agree with you, but also the part that lends at least as much cred, at least in this situation. He had all the odd, funky, low-end jobs, not getting hardly paid anything. He learned what it was all about. And obviously, I don't want to spoil one of the main things we'll talk about that he talked about, but it was just he gets it from the bottom up, inside out. And you know, the other thing, and this isn't going to spoil anything, he cares.

He gives a damn a lot. I mean, some of the thoughtful responses to some of the questions and just the conversation, it was really impressive to me. And I like the bluntness, the confidence, and not afraid to say, I think a lot of things that people wouldn't say. It wasn't huge controversial, but just he was straightforward. He's like, hey, this is what I see.

This is what I believe, and go from there. And I loved when he talks about kind of really getting the story in perspective and not just what you may see at the time. I was thinking about Steve. Paid at that time. You know, announcers needed to know Pater when he was on.

On TV. Otherwise, he could come across as, you know, what's going on with this, this crazy man. But when somebody knew the inside story and kind of tell the whole thing, then it made sense. And I think that's exactly what Brian says he feels he does. Yeah, yeah, no, no question.

The other thing is, I got to know BA through the golf channel. You know, he started the golf channel from 2003 to 2006. And he was also, I didn't realize this, but he was also part of four world championships down in San Antonio when the Spurs and Pop and Duncan and those guys were rocking down there. That was pretty cool. Very cool.

He's been around the top dogs and he came up through the basement.

So great, well-rounded guy. All right.

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Okay. Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. Pearlie is with me. Brad Barnes is taking care of us in the ESPN studios, and we're headed to the front nine, brought to you by the Ascension Charity Classic.

All of this rambling, all of this yapping, Pearl. It's next week. It's time to tee it up. Let's go. Let's see what we got.

Norwood Hills 6 through the 12th. Can't wait. All right, we've got this interview with Brian Anderson. You got to start with a golf channel. We know all the other cool things he's done between the NBA, NCAA basketball, the Brewers play by play.

Let's go listen to Brian Anderson. All time and one, broad swings, wide drive, deep left field. And it's going a grand slam. Bro's win. The Broys went up thriller.

Brian Anderson is brought to you by Golden Tee. I am sitting down this morning. With longtime friend, he is the current. Play-by-play guy for the Milwaukee Brewers, Brian Anderson. Brian, good morning.

Hey, Jay, how are you doing today? Oh, my gosh, I'm doing just great. How about you? Welcome to St. Louis.

Oh good.

Well, it's all good, you know. It's It's quite you know, the the fact that the Brewers win a series in St. Louis is quite interesting and needed for this. franchise. It's been an amazing year.

watching the Brewers play and um I'm still been spinning off and doing the TBS games on the weekend, but usually during the week I'm with the Brewers and they've been a lot of fun to cover this year. Oh my gosh, and they're so fun to watch. They're such a scrappy bunch, and they have really taken on the personality of their manager, Craig Counsel. And I'm a baseball lover, and obviously a cardinal honk, but I still love watching good baseball, and they are just doing so much right. Yeah, they play with a lot of joy.

You know, that's what I love about this. This Brewers team this year. They're on a pace to win 100 games. They've got one of the best pitching staffs in baseball, which makes makes them a real World Series contender uh because of their Terrific rotation. They're a great bullpen.

They've got two guys at the back of their bullpen that are As good as any tandem in the game, and you know, the three starters they can roll out there, the three H's, we call them. Uh with Peralta Burns and Woodruff. Those three guys are Are all going to probably split some Cy Young award votes, and they're all going to be, you know. Ace-type pitchers that could pitch a game one of a series and have a postseason series. And so You know Council has done a great job.

And I think maybe more importantly than anything, There's a terrific uh cohesiveness between owner General manager and manager. And I think Craig Counsel is obviously, this is his seventh year now.

So he was actually. the manager when they hired the general manager, David Stearns. And Mark Adanasio, the owner.

So it's one of those interesting dynamics when you have an owner. You have an ownership group, but there's really one owner that's involved. It's not like a George Steinbrenner situation, but it's close to that. Where you have one owner who makes the decisions and is the spokesperson for the ownership group for the team.

So I think that streamlines things as well, and they can be flexible, and they can Make certain moves, and you know, if they feel like they've got a team to make a run with, which they do this year, and they made a bunch of moves.

So yeah, it's it's all good in Milwaukee. I mean, coming off the bucks. NBA title as well. There's a lot of A lot of good vibes going on in Milwaukee, Wisconsin right now. Yeah, no, absolutely.

Having the Bucs win the world championship in the NBA. And you know what? Brian, it's interesting when you watch winning baseball. You know, there's things that need to be done. The fundamentals need to be adhered to.

But when you start putting teams together like groups are doing in today's game, like the Dodgers are just buying everybody they can. I mean, they've got a $30 million pitcher named David Price who pitches out of the bullpen occasionally. You know, and you've got some of the crazy acquisitions that the Yankees made where they're just, you know, acquiring all-star talent here and there. And then you go to the Brewers and you go, wait a minute, this team has heart. They play with, they've got chemistry.

Whatever they have. I want that. I want that on my team. I like watching that. It's by design.

try to bring culture to the party. I mean, I think in the in the height of the analytics age, you know, the the The idea of culture and guys that would work well together, and guys that were kind of winning players that brought joy and attitude every day. I think that was ignored. And, you know, teams started to feel the brunt of that because a lot of players were signed, a lot of players were acquired. Native.

hit all the right boxes, you know, but analytically, but maybe didn't You know, lead to winning baseball. I mean, I don't think anybody in the analytics world would say Christian Yellich is having a great year right now. But He brings a lot to the table, you know, just like the Wednesday night game in St. Louis, the guy. You know, he's a little bit injured.

He's not playing great. But he's contributing to winning every day, not just his presence in the clubhouse, but his speed, his defense, the way he runs the bases. you know, he had a blunt single that added to a lead of extra innings on Wednesday.

So I just think those are the kind of things that you're seeing more and more of. If you look at the way the Tampa Bay Rays are structured, The brewers have pretty much modeled that. Um they I would even say that the Ray structure was somewhat formulated by a current brewers employee, which is our current general manager, Matt Arnold, He works under the president of baseball operations, David Stern.

So, Matt came from. The Rays with Andrew Friedman. And I don't know if you know the story, but when the Rays had a managerial job open. Post-Joe Madden. Craig Council was The one they interviewed, and it was basically his job.

And he declined the job, pulled himself out of the race, they hired Kevin Cash. council ends up managing the brewers. The next season.

So, you know, there's a lot of connection. I think that philosophically they're all aligned. the Rays and the Brewers. And those are the two small market teams, low payroll teams that Have been able to win a lot. I mean, the Rays have been to the World Series, the Brewers have been to three straight postseasons.

Um Both Franchises have a Juggernaut in their division, you know, with the Rays, with the Red Sox and the Yankees, and of course, the Brewers have the. the Cardinals and what has been the Cubs recently until just this year. But Cardinals are always good. You know, they're always the class of the division and The cubs have money.

So it it's very similar on a lot of levels. Yeah, I could, gosh, Brian, I could sit and talk baseball with you all day, but I want to just kind of go over a little bit of your career. I want the folks to know in St. Louis, first of all, I've known you since the early 2000s when you first started working with the golf channel, but you've got baseball in your blood. You were a catcher in college at St.

Mary's University. Your brother pitched for the Reds. But most importantly, when I think of you, I think of what a sportsman you are. You're doing games for the Big Ten network, MLB games, obviously, for TBS, NBA games for TNT. But didn't you get your start in San Antonio?

And weren't you doing some sideline stuff when the Spurs won three championships? Yeah, I was there. I was a sideline reporter for Spurs Television for the first four championships, so starting in 1999. And then I left San Antonio in so zero six, after the zero six season, and I came to Milwaukee to start the zero seven season with the brewers, but Even before that, you know, I played college baseball. I was a scholarship athlete, and I played all the sports growing up.

I mean, I played golf and. tennis and basketball and racquetball and football and baseball. I I play competitively uh football and baseball in high school.

So you know, you can't grow up in Texas and not play high school football there. You'll get shamed. But so I did, I played high school football and um in baseball and got a scholarship to play baseball and at Saint Mary's University in San Antonio. And so That kind of really started my my path because we My college team shared. a field, a facility with the AA team the San Antonio mission.

I got to know a lot of those guys, you know. I I we used to pull tarp for them and we used to work on the grounds crew. It was our field. We leased it to the professional team at that point, the Dodgers.

So, you know, I kind of got to know him and then I got to know the broadcaster, and I thought maybe this is something I'd like to do. Lo and behold, that franchise moved from my college campus to a brand new stadium the year I graduated from college. And they were amping up and ramping up their Production, their business model.

So they'd run like a really small mom and pop mom and pop shop and so You know, turns out that I had a lot of technical Abilities and I brought some things that they didn't have. And my brother was playing professionally at the time. I knew the minor league world and That's kind of where it all started, Jay, was Yes. them recognizing me as somebody who had all these tentacles everywhere from playing to knowing the minor legal life to the broadcasting stuff, the technical background. And so that made it a really good fit.

And they hired me right out of college. They paid me $25 a game to do the middle innings. I got $25 a game to throw batting practice. And I caught bullpens as well for the for the team.

So it was like I thought I was rich. I was making uh I was making about a hundred dollars a day just Doing a bunch of baseball stuff, broadcasting and catching bullpens and throwing batting practice and. Pulling luggage. I got a dollar a bag when we went on the road. Oh my gosh, there's something about.

So, Brian, for me, there's something about a guy that's calling the action that has actually played before. There's something about. Um The oh, the knowledge about how difficult this situation is, how hard the game is, because we have this tendency, whether it's golf, baseball, football, we watch the best in the world do it and we forget this is really hard stuff to do. Yeah, it is. It's been very helpful for me.

And I've never I wouldn't know it any other way because I did play for so long. And obviously, I wasn't good enough to play professionally.

So I can't speak to the To the pro game, and I never act like I do, but there are nuances you pick up, there are things that. that you can see in a game body language. You know, I think because I played, that helps. And then on the flip side, because I Career, you know, even when I was in college as an internships and whatnot, I did a bunch of the technical stuff too.

So I ran. handheld camera and I did audio and graphics and You know, I just worked behind the scenes.

So that's been invaluable as well. I can talk the language of the tech ops and I can you know, if to troubleshoot things or to to set certain things up or to make things easier.

So I'm glad. You know, I'm glad it all kind of went down that way. And it was all out of necessity for me. I was just. trying to find jobs that I could Stay close to the sports world and still kind of pursue the broadcasting thing, but I in order to do that in the minor leagues, you had to have an off season job.

So the two jobs that I took. that I pursued and got pretty good at was a handheld camera.

So I was a you know, a handheld camera operator. for live sporting events in the in the offseason of baseball and I worked at a golf course.

So I worked at this high-end resort in San Antonio. It was an Arthur Hills course. called Hyatt Hill Country Golf Club.

Some of those people that I worked with there and that I worked for are still some of my best friends to this day. Lo and behold, that job, which was a $7 an hour job that I worked for five years. folding shirts, making tea times and you know, just kind of like learning the industry. That that was the job that combined with all my broadcasting experience put me over the edge with the golf channel.

So when the golf channel was looking for a more mainstream voice, to launch their new tour called the Nationwide Tour. a new sponsor anyway, which you were a part of. Um it just it's funny how it all just kinda like fit, you know, and And it's kind of been that way my whole career. You know, I spent nine years in the minor leagues. I thought I was never going to get out of the minor leagues.

Um I would look at guys like Dan McLaughlin and He got a big league job with the Cardinals at a very young age, and you know, we were about the same age. And I just, you know, I thought I was never getting out of there. And so. You know, that comparative thinking will get you in big trouble, as you know from your playing days, but. It is important to just stay on your path and whatever that path is to try to Be as good as you can in the space that you occupy, and then let the chips fall where they may.

Those are all a bunch of cliches, but. In my case, it's really the truth where All of this kind of laid out. And I wasn't constantly looking at the next thing. I was just making sure I did this thing well because I needed this thing. to survive, you know, had a wife at that time a baby.

I'm trying to be a grown up.

So I had to make this thing work, whatever that particular thing was, whether it was the tech stuff, the broadcasting, working at the golf club, all of that had to work and I had to make it work.

So all of it ends up paying off in one way or another. um even to this day in my broadcasting career. Yeah, that growing that growing up thing can be a bitch, can it, sometimes, where you have to try to to be an adult. But one of the things I want to kind of shift gears a little bit, Brian, and the thing that I loved about What you brought to golf, and I hear it every time you're doing, whether it's the match or whether you're calling an NBA game for TNT, there's something about the confidence and the calm in your voice that for me I know that this this guy came from a playing background. It just is something that just hits me when I hear your voice, and I I it's it's reassuring to me because I feel like the perspective is so important to not let this thing, you know, kind of get out of hand.

And you know that now, that you're on this side of the fence in the media, and you were a great player in your own right. And I think the idea coming across on this side Is is to treat it like a real like a real profession. I mean, there are a lot of former players that still treat it like a hobby, but Um, I I didn't I didn't ever consider myself a player turn broadcaster just because I was always interested in journalism and broadcast journalism, and felt like I was just doing both.

So it's a little different for me than Tony Romo or even Dwayne Kuiper, who does play-by-play for the Giants that play the major leagues or. Even Bob Euchre for that matter. I mean, Euchre was a very famous Personality was a not-so-famous player, famous personality that became a broadcaster.

So For me, it's always been about serving the The moment serving the player, like I want to do right by the athletes and. It's very easy and lazy. To See something and then react to it when you may not know all the details. And for me, like diving into.

Well, what makes this guy tick? Like this whole scene on Wednesday night, I don't know if you remember. But Yadier Molina and Colton Wong, Colton Wong Steel second base, Yadier Molina. You know, it's a bang-bang play. Didn't get him.

Wong smiling. Malina's smiling. Long reaches down and like acts like he's gonna pull the base out of the ground, which is what a lot of great base dealers do when they have historic moments like Ricky Henderson. And so like for me, I think you could have construed that as being arrogant or These players are talking trash to each other. But knowing the backgrounds Understanding that there's more to this story.

It happens a lot in the NBA because these guys play with each other for so long. they know each other from the AAU circuit.

So even though it may look like they're they're mad at each other or or talking trash to each other. Which they are, it's not like it doesn't have that venom, you know, that some people react to.

So. it that's that's all it is. It's like every day trying to survey the land and Trying to make a determination, like, okay, what are my eyes showing me here? What am I hearing? Is this real?

And I'm not 100%. I miss it sometimes too and misconstrue things, but you know, I'll admit that mistake too and apologize. But You know, there are times when I know people who Haven't played or haven't been in a locker room or haven't competed at a high level. Um It's just not part of their wheel. They wouldn't recognize that.

And so it's the easiest thing to do is to be critical about a lot of these things. When you don't really know the full story of it because you haven't been in the competitive environment. I have on a much lesser scale, but I but I have. I've been in there. And so I kind of am to look at certain things and view certain things from that lens as opposed to the lens of you know, these spoiled athletes who are here to entertain me.

And if they're not entertaining me, I'm going to throw something at them or yell some obscenity at them. And I just like to take it a few layers beyond that. No, absolutely. And my take with Colton Wong was showing respect to Yachty because he stole a base off of one of the all-time greats. And Yaddi was like, absolutely, man, right on, and good for you.

And try it again, and I'll get you next time. Exactly. Competitive spirit. It could have been. perceived as though a guy steals a base and then acts like he's gonna pick the base out of the ground like Yeah, I'm the best, you know.

I, you know, but it's just not.

So, anyway, maybe a bad example, but the point is: like, if you just plopped into a game and that was the first time you experienced that, you might take offense to that. All right, that'll wrap up the front nine, but don't go anywhere. We'll get you the second half of that Brian Anderson interview. On Golf with Jay Delsing. Hi, this is Peter Jacobson, and you're listening to Golf with Jay Delsing.

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Don't miss the hottest rookie class in PGA Tour Champions history. Stars like Phil Mickelson, Ernie Ells, Jim Furick, and more compete at Norwood Hills Country Club September 6th through the 12th. Join Legends Jack Nicholas, Tom Watson, and Hale Irwin to celebrate the PGA Tour Champions' newest event. Professional golf returning to St. Louis in 2021.

The Ascension Charity Classic presented by Emerson. Tickets, Clubhouse Passes, Hospitality Suites, Pro-Am Forsoms on sale now. Visit AscensionCharityClassic.com. This is the Gateway PGA Spotlight, and I'm sitting down this morning with. Jason Marcenik.

Jason, thanks so much for joining me.

Okay, thank you for having me. You know what? First of all, welcome to the area. I know you haven't been here that long. It is almost like a double pleasure for me to not only welcome you to the section, but also you're the new Director of Golf Head Professional at Norwood Hills.

Well, it's been a true pleasure, Jay. All the members have been as great as you. Not all of them play as great as you. But it's been a lot of fun. It's been a great couple of months.

Hard to believe it's going on five. Everyone's asked me how much I've loved the city and how it compares to where I grew up in Pittsburgh. And the two cities are eerily similar. both Midwestern values I describe the biggest differences in Pittsburgh. We count the number of days that we hit 90 degrees, and here in St.

Louis, we count the days. We hit 100 degrees. Yeah. Those are not great things to count, especially as hot as it's been. But we have the Ascension Charity Classic coming to Norwood Hills next week.

And just explain a little bit to the folks about how cool this is. I've been honking this thing for months, but from your perspective, the golf course, the sky boxes, you know, from your perspective, what are you seeing?

Well, Jay, you know, it's been really exciting. The membership is totally 100% behind the tournament. And I've been fortunate enough to spend some time with the USG and a couple of their championships. spent some time in Columbus, Ohio with the memorial tournament. And this is on the same level.

Truly, the build out looks like the memorial, and it is exciting. And the intensity on all the members. And as more news comes out as to who's coming. It's definitely the buzz around the club and around the city. You see it on billboards and you see it on T V.

It has that special type of connection to not only the members and the staff here, but. everybody here in St. Louis. Well, Jason, I've watched you do this prep. I've watched you do go above and beyond what we at Norwood have had in so long for what you're doing for the membership, what you're doing for tournaments, your communication to the members.

All of that stuff, you're going far above and beyond what we expect to increase everyone's enjoyment of the game and their experience. I really appreciate that.

Well, Jay, as a PGA professional, it's our responsibility to grow the game, but also to to make sure it has a a very prosperous future. And the members here at Norwoods love their golf. They play a lot of it. and being able to make their time here more enjoyable. It's what all of us do as PGA professionals and just feel fortunate enough to be part of the history here at a great club.

Well, Jason, thanks so much for all you do. Please, please, please keep doing it. And welcome to the section and welcome to St. Louis. Well, Jay, thank you very much.

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Brian Anderson is brought to you by Golden Team. Let's shift gears a little bit and talk about Milwaukee. And when we played years, I played probably 20 years in the GMO, the Greater Milwaukee Open. We played at Tuckaway Country Club. We played Brown Deer Park.

And I always loved the fans up in Milwaukee, and I know they love their sports. Bran, talk a little bit about the I call golf this societal powerhouse because it's unlike all the other sports. We use it to raise money. We do so many good things besides the play that entertains people with the money that the sport generates. And it's really different than all the others, isn't it?

It is. It's a great game, and I'm really thankful golf. part of my life. I mean, my step dad introduced me to the game of golf and You know, we didn't grow up with a lot of money, and golf is always the rich kids' sport. Just what it felt like.

You know, it just feels cut off. And on a lot of levels, it still feels cut off from a big part of our.

society but You know, I think The game Transcends sports. I think it allows people to come together. I think you're seeing the boom in. places like top top golf and you know, it it has a little bit of that communal piece to it. You can play traditional golf, certainly at the level you did.

I mean, that's almost impossible for any normal person to get to. But There is a way to go have fun with golf. I do think a lot of people. who are in the golf industry, especially these big companies. Are missing the point a lot.

I mean, I could go on for hours about this, but I think they're missing the point and You know Um Trying to make this a factory and turn it into an assembly line and roll as many people as you can, as fast as you can, in carts. I think that does take away a little bit from the gain. Um not leaving room for Space to teach young players, or if you are teaching young players, it's completely boxed in this in a junior golf model, which I'm not saying is bad, it's just.

Sometimes you just need space for a A parent to take a child out there and have room to go hit some shots and have some fun. And I can remember like taking the shag bag out with my stepdad and just. we'd go to the seventh hole and hit a bunch of seven irons 'cause nobody was out there, you know, and I think Those are really Um, those are really uh memorable times for me, and I don't think The game right now, a lot of people in the game on the corporate side are allowing room for that. There are some country clubs that still do that. I think every club that's that's built right now should should have a little par three course.

That you can teach the game and and turn this game over, you know, because it is hard to play and you need time to learn it.

So um golf Golf can connect All races generations Um genders, I mean, it's just one of those great sports. And I would say Most of my ninety percent of my closest friends All play golf. And it's prob they're probably some of my closest friends because they play golf. It's just amazing how it brings us all together. I just had a couple weeks ago on the show Houston White, who's really doing some phenomenal stuff up in Minneapolis.

And he's an African-American guy, loves the game of Golf Tiger, was very inspirational. He's a serial entrepreneur, but he started a tournament where he puts people that are supporting the game with. Folks from the community and folks that are from the mayor's office and from different parts of the government and getting them all together and saying, you know, let's get people, let's play golf with people we don't know. You know, let's try to figure out something that we can do for our city, and we'll talk about it over a round of golf. It's really amazing that that's what the sport can provide.

Yeah, and it's outside, it can be outside, you know. You know, the. Really, where the link is, the challenge.

So, if there was a break in the chain, It's those initial stages when you're trying to learn the game. And I think You know, we spend, we meaning the golf industry, people who are involved in golf like you and I are, we spend so much time. Focusing on more the end of the chain where the experience of different golf courses and agronomy and all that's really important, don't get me wrong. Really important. But We need to put more resources instead of defining them as Inner city, urban, all these things that we're trying to, we think we're doing well, we're not.

What really all we need to do. Is is put resources toward those beginning stages to teach the game. Whoever wants to come to the game, we can learn the game.

So what does that mean? Like simulators are huge. And I I can remember having these conversations with you guys Back in the early 2000s, you know, like Joe Ovalee was, I always thought, a visionary. We were talking about, you know, if you could just play golf in a smaller space or learn golf in a smaller space, hitting into a net. or the way we were conceptualizing Is basically what has happened with top golf, with simulators.

You know, all the trackman and all the Hawkeye devices, like you can learn the game pretty fast. without stepping outside onto a big scary golf course, Um But We have to create Windows for that.

So here in Milwaukee, Marquette University has an incredible indoor. golf facility i think You probably know this living in St. Louis, but people in the Midwest, the upper Midwest, I think we're a little more tuned to it. And I've been here 15 years now, but we're a little more tuned to that because we don't have the opportunity to go play golf in the wintertime.

So we retreat indoors. That's why bowling is such a big sport in the Midwest and Upper Midwest. Bowling's massive. And the bowling lanes that are still packed every. Every weekend in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, it's like It's you know, they're bowling leagues and It's a winter sport.

It's something you do indoors.

Well, golf, the technology in golf is getting to the point where you can do that as well. Indoors and really keeps the game and gets some instant feedback. And it's kind of cool getting into a video game. You know what I mean? Like kids dig it.

And I mean, if I was eight years old and I could go swat a ball into a mattress. And I'd have a digital readout of the shape of the ball and all that. That would be awesome.

So I think it's really important. that we start to focus on Okay. Yes, we need to keep this at a corporate level, and golf's a really big money-making machine, but it can also. Have a lot of impact on different communities and raise a lot of money for charities and whatnot, especially professional golf. But I would love to see us.

Do what Marquette University does and create this indoor facility, and people can come check it out and. all these indoor golf facilities are popping up everywhere, and it's I think there's a revolution in golf. People found that out during the pandemic.

So many people I know, and I know you do too, that started playing golf in the pandemic because that was the one sport you could play in the pandemic. was to be outside and play golf and The sport is booming right now and I'm I'm a little worried that There's too much. Um there's too much capitalization of the game and not enough on tipping the scales to growing the game the right way as opposed to cashing in On what it's offering right now. And if we tip those scales too far, man, we're going to lose it again. which I think we did.

for a while. Oh, Brian, no question. You were part of the, well, you called the matches. There's been four matches in the franchise. The first with Phil and Tiger, which I thought was really, really interesting.

And I also loved the Phil and Tom versus Tiger and Peyton, and I love the trash talk. I love the inner, you know, the inner circle where Tiger was always, I knew Tiger was always going to refer to the W again, his W's against Phil. You know, and I just couldn't wait for it. What did you think? And are you liking it?

I feel like I can tell that you like why you're doing it, but do you think it's good for the game? And do you think it's good for the game? It's a really cool thing. It's a great thing to be a part of. it does parallel with what I just spoke about.

So as a network, For a long time, TNT was involved in golf. And of course, I worked for Golf Channel before I came to TNT Turner Sports. And then got back in because of TNT doing the PGA Championship and PGA.com. Remember, Turner owned and operated a lot of that, a lot of the digital rights to those. You know, we would be on the air calling off.

13, 14, 15, 16, you know, all the way through. And, you know, one of my favorite events was at Bel Reeve, obviously. Tiger was on the prowl there, but So there is a thread, you know, Turner Sports. was part of the The British Open, the Open Championship for years, and the PGA.

Well, they've lost the rights to all of that.

So They made a run at the PGA SOR digital package. lost the rights to that or did not have enough on the table to to get that contract.

So I think my bosses. kind of looked at the landscape and they love golf just like I do and The match one was a bit of a cash grab. I don't know if you remember that one, but that was the one with Phil and Tiger. Competing against each other was kind of it more trended toward like a heavyweight boxing match where. You know, it was a heavy betting situation.

It was mono imano, it was a 10 million dollar purse. And I just, it didn't really hit. You know, they had trouble with the pay-per-view. They ended up giving the broadcast away, but it did. It wasn't like a first entry into this, could be a really cool thing, which would be.

a regeneration of what we grew up with, like the Skins game or, you know, Shell's wonderful world of golf. But how can we do that with a modern twist? And because the game is blowing up, I think all the markers. With the game's popularity and everything that was happening, and then the opportunity. in the middle of a pandemic, what can we televise right now?

Well, we can televise golf. That's basically what it boiled down to because we had to shut down baseball. Obviously, the NBA shut down.

So we started looking at things as a network. What can we televise?

Well, we can televise golf. We have this match. Um property and You know, and that's when we We pivoted a little and did the match two, which was at Medalist Club in Florida. And that was when we introduced the quarterbacks to the mix with Brady and Peyton Manning.

So I think that really That hit a nerve that you know, we never expected. I mean, we had massive ratings. Matter of fact, it's still an all time cabled record for ratings for a golf event.

So think about all those major championships and all the expense of covering Big golf events in all those years. I was a golf channel, and then Turner doing the Open Championship and the PGA. And we throw together this. Like four men. Match play put some cameras on the carts and uh you know in the driving rainstorm and it ends up being the highest rated cable golf event in the history of the sport.

Is it that high?

So I think at that point it was like, okay. And we raised twenty million dollars, twenty million dollars for COVID relief in one afternoon. And I think that that really has turned this into a major player. That doesn't, yeah, it's a golf thing, but it's more than a golf thing. You know, I think golfers kind of dig it.

I know the players dig it. But really my wife digs it and my wife She she wouldn't know Phil Mickelson if he was sitting right next to her. And that's how you know when it's like. Got some juice to it. Absolutely.

My wife really enjoyed it. She enjoyed the banter and the camaraderie. And that's where we are with it.

So we'll keep going. I think we're hoping to have another one around Thanksgiving if we can get some players lined up. And we have the rights to it, and we'll keep running them out there. You know, a couple times a year if we can, one in the summer and one in the fall. Brian, I heard that with the Tiger and Peyton Phil Tom match, and it was raining like hell at the medalist, and I've been there a bunch, and it's a nice place and everything.

But I heard that in the middle of kind of prep, that Brady was out, you know, doing some sprinting and doing some exercises in the parking lot. And Charles said to him, Tom, what in the hell are you doing? he said, I'm trying to win another Super Bowl, Chuck.

Okay. Well, that's true, and I can confirm that because I was standing right next to Charles when he said that, when we saw that. Brady is insane. And this, you know, the timeline of that, remember, that was.

So that was Memorial Day of twenty twenty. Yeah. NFL. He had just signed with the Buccaneers. A lot of questions swirling about his health and why the Patriots give up on him.

Like, so you have to you put that in context. Um He had just, I think maybe the week before, was the first time he had gotten pads and thrown with some of his new receivers.

So now he's playing in this golf event, and he was full in it, man. First of all, he. He played 36 holes every day for like three days. Even played 18 holes the morning before the match. Uh and then it and then he did a workout between So he played 18 holes.

He did a workout in the parking lot, which is kind of like a stretching, sprinting thing, start and stop, like it was a loosen-up. And it's raining. porn. He's out there in his rain gear, just doing his thing. And then he played in the match famously, split his pants, you know, didn't wasn't playing great.

And then he holds out, and you know, it just made the whole thing was like. Just the ability for those guys To well, the willingness of those guys to allow us just to eavesdrop. on this really famous forsome and then then competing at the level they competed. was fascinating. And the best thing we did as announcers Which is not easy for Charles Barkley to do, is be quiet.

You know, we all just. step back. And then, you know, Charles had some great moments, of course, but Um There'll never be another one as good as that one, but the one we just had in Montana. was pretty close because Aaron Rodgers And Bryce and De Chambeau were great. And then Phil is obviously in another world.

And then Tom brings so much to the To the match as well.

So that was pretty close. I mean, the scenics were epic. You know, we've introduced a fifth character into this.

So the golf course we realize can be the fifth character in this whole. event and you know, to be up there in the mountains in Montana It was spectacular. I mean, we got live, you know, like like Wildlife all around us, and you know, Chuck's worried about snakes coming up on him, and we got rubber snakes trying to scare him with, like, it all just kind of presents itself as this really fun. fun thing to be a part of. And yes, golf is at the center of it, but It's way more than that.

Now, we got so many people, Jay, you cannot believe. How many celebrities? Athletes Movies movie stars recording artists. They all want to be a part of the match. We got more agents calling our executives than you can ever imagine.

So we're we're all good. We're game. We're ready to keep going. Oh my gosh, that is awesome. And I was blown away at how well Aaron Rodgers played.

I mean, I knew he was a good player, but man, he cutted his ass off. He and Bryson was all over the map. I mean, you know. Bryson probably missed. I don't know, six of his first seven fairways and like out of bounds type missing.

He was gone. Oh, yeah. Rogers kept hitting it in the fair way. I mean, Rogers was great. I've known Aaron for a long time.

He's a really good player, but I've never seen him play as well. And he's got that little thing that all you guys have, man. Like when you compete at that level. He's got that little extra that he can get himself calm and get his heart. in rhythm and make plays, make putts, you know, hit drives when you need to.

Uh that that's what I love most, that we can have a lot of fun, but the people we're having out there, they're all such great competitors that ultimately you can see what makes them special. Brian, one of my favorite things that you mentioned earlier is just, you know, everybody's mic'd and so, you know, Aaron Rodgers' saga with the Packers and what's going on here and there. And it was always so much fun for you to just slip a little something like, hey, bud, if you want to go ahead and tell us what's on your mind, you know, We got a lot of folks watching right now, and it was just the way you guys handled it was just the fact we saw an actual bear really helped because I was. Like it was perfect. There was an actual bear on the golf course, and we were like, Hey, you know, the Packers play the Bears on this particular date.

Who's going to be the quarterback? I know, you just it just rolled out so beautifully. He says, I don't know, B.A. He knows I'm a huge Packer fan, so I've known Aaron for a long time. I didn't have to.

prep him or anything. I mean, I talked to him a lot before the event and we chatted But I mean, he knows. He knows he's in control of his narrative, and he knows that I got to do my job to it, at least try to get it out of him. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

No, it was. You know what, though? It's all respectful. It wasn't, it didn't cross any boundaries. And I think that is kind of what golf does, isn't it?

I mean, I know that. You guys are human beings and you do this, you're in charge of the things that you say and things like that. But it was just a a beautifully rolled out game of golf that raised another millions of dollars for the needy, and it was fun. That's the idea. I mean, I'm glad you said that.

And I think my focus is on how the golf community receives it, even though. I would say, from my boss's perspective, you know, it's more how the entertainment community receives it because it is. It is a show, and you know, they even call it a show. It's an event, but it's a show that. There just aren't many things right now that you can go on the air for six hours.

We sold out every single ad spot, ad space for that. at very high rates, by the way. And You know, how many shows can, even the best sitcoms in the world, even the best movies. They're not on for six hours. You know?

We're on for six hours. We're doing a full pregame. We're on the range with those guys. It's fascinating listening to them talk. We do a a whole match with them.

We do a post-game show. It's just like It's a great way to spend an afternoon, you know, and if we can go on the West Coast and get it close to prime time as we can, like we did in Montana. when we had sunlight, you know, at least sunset wasn't till 10 o'clock so we had So much time. In the primetime window, people coming home from work and they can watch this. Incredible weird thing and it's incredible.

Um Setting, you know, it's got all the, and it's live, you know, you just don't know. And you got Charles Barkley, and you got Trevor Emmelman, and you got like Larry Fitzgerald was with us last time, and we keep it on. We had Obama on, you know, we got the. A pre like I've never interviewed a president. You know, I'm just thinking to myself, what what what world am I living in that?

This from a small town in Texas that I'm I'm interviewing a former President of the United States. And we're talking about golf. And that's what it is. Like that's what golf does ultimately. Takes a Small town hillbilly kid.

And I'm interviewing a former president. And the only reason that's possible is because of golf.

So every that That answers every question anybody ever had about the power of golf. Brian, I feel the same way. I grew up as a caddy and I've got to play with presidents. I'm on the you know, I'm talking to you right now about how the hell did we get here? How fortunate have we been?

And man, I hope it keeps going. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Always. I always watched I love watching you play too.

You know, you were you always had like like that that little finishing kick there you know you were the underdog out there for a few years i remember that when all these young guys started coming out I always enjoy the Jay Deltsing moment when we get you on the air. Oh, my gosh.

Well, I wish there were a few more of them. Unfortunately, they were few and far between, but I had a blast doing it. And I, Brian, I so appreciate your time. I so appreciate these stories. I could sit here and talk to you all day long, but I know you got to get ready for a game tonight and continued success, man.

I just love that you're crossing over to so many sports and then you come back to golf, which it started a while back. It's a great thing for all of us to get to listen to you. I drop everything to do golf right now. Believe me, I love the sport. And you owe me around now, so I'll be.

Are going to be hitting you up. We're not going to go somewhere janky either. You're going to be taking me somewhere nice. Come on, man. You've got my numbers.

Just bring it on. Yeah. All right, so John, what I'm just going to just zip this in real quick, then I want to get your main takeaway. I loved. This guy talks with a degree of confidence that doesn't.

strike me as arrogance that I just love and want to believe.

Well, I agree. I don't think it strikes you as arrogance because he knows where he's coming from. He's lived it. He's done all the different parts. No pretense.

And I love when he talks and clarifies a couple of times. You know, I didn't play to this level or I didn't play to that level. He knows where his place is in the perspective he has. I thought it was one of the most fascinating interviews that I've heard. I just really appreciated so much of what he brought to the table.

Yeah, I did too.

Okay, cool.

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I like it. I like it. I like it. All right.

So, John, the Brian Anderson interview.

So I think I mentioned earlier I didn't know about his history with the San Antonio Spurs, but if you. Look at his body of work. Wow. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about a, you know, Joe Buck has got an incredible amount of body of work that goes through.

You know, Fox brought him to golf, but he's got football and he's got World Series and baseball and all that stuff. Brian Anderson's got basketball. He's got baseball. He's got golf. It's impressive.

It sure is. And that's impressive. That's great. I still just like his perspective, which is why I suppose he has all that. Jay, when he started talking about culture, I mean, that is such a pet peeve for me with the work I do with businesses.

And for him to kind of talk about that and how the team is playing with joy and how he sees that type of culture creative. Creating a scenario where these guys can compete with the incredibly big-time players, ones that are paid so much, and so that these smaller community teams have a way to compete. I absolutely love that. And the word joy to me has a special meaning, too. Our buddy, Doc Hartman, used to just always talk about it.

He used to always point out when he saw what he considered and what he believed was pure joy. There's something special about pure joy. I'm going to tell you something that was really cool about that. When my daughter Mackenzie was in eighth grade, she won an award from, and it came out of the blue. It was like a $2,000 scholarship to high school.

And the look on her face, it chokes me up right now thinking about it. It was unabridged, complete surprise, and joyful. And it was awesome. Going back to that interview, John. Craig Council And his jam and his vibe and his In Integrity and guts and authenticity, whatever the hell word you want to use.

It shows so through in the product on the field. And it's weird almost.

Well, it is weird, but I can remember, I was telling you this the other day, years ago, somebody's kind of questioning Craig Counsel as a player. And they were talking to Bobby Cox, kind of like, okay, we're going to throw this guy under the bus. Bobby says, wait a second. I want to tell you something about Craig Counsel. Look at a lot of the playoffs and World Series of the last 10, 12, 15 years.

Who's there? He's playing for a lot of different teams, and he's always there. And something else about when he's playing and he's in that situation, he's always making a big play. He's always making something happen. It might not be the prettiest, perfect thing in the world.

This guy makes things happen.

So that fits that culture. And you need that mentality to set a culture like that because he gets it too.

Well, the thing that I love about the Brewers, and it's tough because I'm a gigantic Cardinal honk and have been for my entire life, and I love the Redbirds, but Milwaukee is. Is out of the box. They're thinking differently. They have to. They have to.

Exactly. But it's interesting to watch it work. You know, they're bringing in a, you know, they're using a six-man rotation. They're doing all these things. And it's just fantastic.

And Pearl, it's hard not to relate some of this stuff to Bryson DeChambeau in our world. He's taking a gigantic risk. Who was going to say that gaining all this weight wasn't going to ruin his career, John? Oh, plenty of people are saying it was going to ruin his career. Right.

All the lifting, all the weight gain, all the throw out what we all think is the right way to play and play someplace completely different. And it's the same thing. Anytime you're one of those first couple trailblazers down the path, man, you better be thick-skinned because it's coming at you. I hate that. I hate that you have to be thick-skinned because then it deters other people from doing that.

But, Blan, it makes me even appreciate those Trailblazers even more. It does. And I mean, it tells you the strength that it takes for those guys to do that. And I mean, You know, I think Bryce and DeChambo's probably okay when he takes a glance over at his trophy case and sees the U.S. Open trophy in there.

He's probably like, I'm kind of glad I did this. He's in his checkbook. And that if he's not having a whole bunch of fun, then that's the shame on him because it should be a whole lot of fun right now. Maybe you should call us. We'll tell him.

We could have a few suggestions on some fun things we could whip up for him. We get him on the show. You've been trying. Oh, really? Yeah.

It'd be a fun, fun guy to talk about. Still trying for the Cordas. Still trying. I want to get some LPGA players in there. This show would be so fun to get Nelly Corda or Jessica or both, anybody, Lexi Thompson.

But Pearl, man, we got another show in the books, and we're going to come back. For a show that will probably tape the first couple days of the Ascension Charity Classic week, and then the week after that will be special. We'll give an update on where you stand at that point. Absolutely. Well, thanks for being with me.

Meet, thanks for taking great care of us up here. And we will see you next week with more of Golf with Jay Delsing. Hit them straight, St. Louis. Yeah.